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Quote from: cmf on November 28, 2013, 11:53:22 AM

so do we go with

knc neptune 3th/s but be end of june before shipping?

cointerra 2th/s for 6k and march shipping

hashfast 1.2th/s for 6k and march shopping

black arrow 2th/s 5k feb shipping

any thought of the top 4 hardware currently being punted at the moment,

who will ship the best machine on time?

im leaning towards black arrow machine for a feb delivery, looking at 3 machines, so 6th/s running.

Would anyone suggest anything better?

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Quote from: PenAndPaper on December 03, 2013, 01:25:51 PM

Quote from: hdbuck on December 03, 2013, 01:12:31 PM

hmm maybe you are right, altough i have not been a KNC customer but i have seen people complaining about them on this forum as well. In my experience, Bitfury is "The" most serious manufacturer when it comes to delivery delays since they work on an in-stock model (i got delivered 4 days after purchasing a full kit on their website.)

And how did that worked out for you? I mean roi-wise. How many coins did the miner made for you and how many you could have bought instead of the miner at the time of the purchase?

I mined for 2 weeks with a total 450+ GH/s, which got me around 6 BTC, then sold the kit for 16BTC so 22BTC total for an initla investment of around 5k€. I think it was a pretty good move. But i've made lots of research before, followed bitfury's thread for months to be sure... about their delivery system Grin

and at the time i bought the kit, 1BTC was about 350€ so i could have had 5500/350 = 16BTC if i had bought bitcoins directly so that is 6 freshly minted coins benefit. + the cool experience of mining Cheesy

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Quote from: hdbuck on December 03, 2013, 01:12:31 PM

hmm maybe you are right, altough i have not been a KNC customer but i have seen people complaining about them on this forum as well. In my experience, Bitfury is "The" most serious manufacturer when it comes to delivery delays since they work on an in-stock model (i got delivered 4 days after purchasing a full kit on their website.)

And how did that worked out for you? I mean roi-wise. How many coins did the miner made for you and how many you could have bought instead of the miner at the time of the purchase?

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Quote from: PenAndPaper on December 03, 2013, 10:23:31 AM

Quote from: hdbuck on December 03, 2013, 10:18:46 AM

Quote from: PenAndPaper on December 03, 2013, 09:51:08 AM

Quote from: hdbuck on December 03, 2013, 09:41:16 AM

which manufacturer will respect its delays, and that my friend is clearly impossible to predict.

Actually it's possible since there are some manufacturers that indeed honor their words. The hard part is to predict difficulaty and what it seems even more difficult is to see the obvious. That buying those miners don't worth it.

As far as i am concern, I have not heard from any manufacturer that sent on-schedule preordered products. There is always some delay of any sorts as it is frequent in such technological field. Thats why they keep it so vague when it comes to predict a release/delivery date ("end of june", "early Q2", "march"...blablabla).

Again i really think taking manufacturers word about the release of a product that is not even fully developed and tested is purely speculative and should be considered with extreme caution.

what makes worth mining is whether you are able to limit the unknown regarding the difficulty at some point.. AND the probability of you getting delivered by the estimated time of such difficulty. good luck.

Well as much as i don't want to talk in favor of a company i think that KnC does well when it comes to being on schedule. No so well on pricing though Tongue

hmm maybe you are right, altough i have not been a KNC customer but i have seen people complaining about them on this forum as well. In my experience, Bitfury is "The" most serious manufacturer when it comes to delivery delays since they work on an in-stock model (i got delivered 4 days after purchasing a full kit on their website.)

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Quote from: hdbuck on December 03, 2013, 10:18:46 AM

Quote from: PenAndPaper on December 03, 2013, 09:51:08 AM

Quote from: hdbuck on December 03, 2013, 09:41:16 AM

which manufacturer will respect its delays, and that my friend is clearly impossible to predict.

Actually it's possible since there are some manufacturers that indeed honor their words. The hard part is to predict difficulaty and what it seems even more difficult is to see the obvious. That buying those miners don't worth it.

As far as i am concern, I have not heard from any manufacturer that sent on-schedule preordered products. There is always some delay of any sorts as it is frequent in such technological field. Thats why they keep it so vague when it comes to predict a release/delivery date ("end of june", "early Q2", "march"...blablabla).

Again i really think taking manufacturers word about the release of a product that is not even fully developed and tested is purely speculative and should be considered with extreme caution.

what makes worth mining is whether you are able to limit the unknown regarding the difficulty at some point.. AND the probability of you getting delivered by the estimated time of such difficulty. good luck.

Well as much as i don't want to talk in favor of a company i think that KnC does well when it comes to being on schedule. No so well on pricing though Tongue

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Quote from: PenAndPaper on December 03, 2013, 09:51:08 AM

Quote from: hdbuck on December 03, 2013, 09:41:16 AM

which manufacturer will respect its delays, and that my friend is clearly impossible to predict.

Actually it's possible since there are some manufacturers that indeed honor their words. The hard part is to predict difficulaty and what it seems even more difficult is to see the obvious. That buying those miners don't worth it.

As far as i am concern, I have not heard from any manufacturer that sent on-schedule preordered products. There is always some delay of any sorts as it is frequent in such technological field. Thats why they keep it so vague when it comes to predict a release/delivery date ("end of june", "early Q2", "march"...blablabla).

Again i really think taking manufacturers word about the release of a product that is not even fully developed and tested is purely speculative and should be considered with extreme caution.

what makes worth mining is whether you are able to limit the unknown regarding the difficulty at some point.. AND the probability of you getting delivered by the estimated time of such difficulty. good luck.

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Quote from: PenAndPaper on December 03, 2013, 08:06:05 AM

You should buy the only machine with instant delivery and guaranteed profit. Bitcoins. Leave miners for knc fanboys etc who want to donate moneys to their favourite company.

Do you have something against Knc , mentioning them in your last post and just bashing them with no facts?

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Quote from: hdbuck on December 03, 2013, 09:41:16 AM

which manufacturer will respect its delays, and that my friend is clearly impossible to predict.

Actually it's possible since there are some manufacturers that indeed honor their words. The hard part is to predict difficulaty and what it seems even more difficult is to see the obvious. That buying those miners don't worth it.

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If you really want to get into the mining, you should buy it from a manufacturer that only advertise and sell in-stock products. Otherwise you are just asking us to guess which manufacturer will respect its delays, and that my friend is clearly impossible to predict.

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You should buy the only machine with instant delivery and guaranteed profit. Bitcoins. Leave miners for knc fanboys etc who want to donate moneys to their favourite company.

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Invest in BTC or LTC instead...

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Quote from: PenAndPaper on December 02, 2013, 03:54:08 PM

Quote from: BTCNations on December 02, 2013, 11:46:19 AM

Go with KNC, best company producing ASICS, 20nm chips and they deliver on time too.

KnC is a good company but 10000$ for a product that will come 5 months later. No thanks.

The people who spent $5k with a 4 month wait seem to be happy.

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Quote from: BTCNations on December 02, 2013, 11:46:19 AM

Go with KNC, best company producing ASICS, 20nm chips and they deliver on time too.

KnC is a good company but 10000$ for a product that will come 5 months later. No thanks.

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Go with KNC, best company producing ASICS, 20nm chips and they deliver on time too.

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even though it's the first ASIC from blackarrow, i have read nothing but possitive feedback about their service with the FGPAs. I'mn putting my trust in BA.

also, BA rigs will be most energy-efficient, note that once you start competing in Terrahashes you easily spend $100 per terrahash per month on electricity, once the difficulty raised high enough, (and it will) the most efficient miner will be the one that is profitable for the longest amount of time until it becomes obsolete.

So blackarrow will likely ship in time, given their history, and even if they are delayed, their machines will outlast the competition.

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Well if Black Arrow deliver its Prospero X3 2 Terahash miner then it will be the best $/Gh ratio at $ 2.4 per Ghs at a pricing point $4,899

Next is the Prospero X1 and third will be the CoinCraft Desk by Bitmine

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Quote from: Zelek Uther on November 28, 2013, 01:58:19 PM

Don't forget about Bitmine.ch

i didnt forget them, its just they are 12k for a 2th/s machine.

so much more than anyone else

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Quote from: charlesbronson on November 28, 2013, 06:03:49 PM

I have read that KnC will honor refunds up until ship date. This means you could ditch out if the ship date and difficulty make for bad ROI.

Are they going to refund the interest also because elsewise is like lending them millions of dollars for free.

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I have read that KnC will honor refunds up until ship date. This means you could ditch out if the ship date and difficulty make for bad ROI. Does anyone know if other manufacturers offer a similar refund policy? I really like it because 1) it's a hedge against risk of delays and 2) should incentivize KnC bringing product to market as fast as possible. Otherwise it seems too much like a crapshoot IMO

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Quote from: BtcBling on November 28, 2013, 03:18:26 PM

Buy one from each!

I like your enthusiasm!

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Buy one from each!

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BlackArrow give you free 5 day hashing, so you start earning while your unit is being tested. But as others have said, it's a gamble. Schedules can get broken.

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Quote from: cmf on November 28, 2013, 11:53:22 AM

so do we go with

knc neptune 3th/s but be end of june before shipping?

cointerra 2th/s for 6k and march shipping

hashfast 1.2th/s for 6k and march shopping

black arrow 2th/s 5k feb shipping

any thought of the top 4 hardware currently being punted at the moment,

who will ship the best machine on time?

im leaning towards black arrow machine for a feb delivery, looking at 3 machines, so 6th/s running.

Would anyone suggest anything better?

the black arrow feb date is of course higher risk of delivery than the hashfast or cointerra march dates, as cointerra and hashfast will have been shipping for several months - assuming they both ship in december and they have pre-sold their january and february batches already so the march batch is the third or 4th batch of their hardware and by any measure they should be pretty solid by then in terms of stability of hardware and manufacturing process, whereas end of feb is the first ever shipment of black arrow and by any previous metrics, most asic companies are late for their first shipment. assume march/april is possible too.

the knc june date is pure speculation at this point. they announced q1/q2 and we have no idea when that is. price-wise i was hoping for less expensive than cointerra if it delivers after them.

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Quote from: cmf on November 28, 2013, 12:12:52 PM

so i'm thinking, the quickest delivery should be the machines to go with

so black arrow should be best

Scheduled first and actual first are two different things. Just ask bfl or Avalon customers.

I think the smarter choice is who is most likely to actually ship first. The answer may not be the same. At this point I would only go with folks who have proven they have taped out their processor.

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Run a Bitcoin node.

Don't forget about Bitmine.ch

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Quote from: cmf on November 28, 2013, 12:12:52 PM

so i'm thinking, the quickest delivery should be the machines to go with

If they deliver on schedule and ahead of everybody else i guess it's a plus. If... Lips sealed

cmf

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so i'm thinking, the quickest delivery should be the machines to go with

so black arrow should be best

PenAndPaper

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No matter what you choose you should think that if all of those companies deliver between march and june the difficulty will skyrocket!

cmf

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so do we go with

knc neptune 3th/s but be end of june before shipping?

cointerra 2th/s for 6k and march shipping

hashfast 1.2th/s for 6k and march shopping

black arrow 2th/s 5k feb shipping

any thought of the top 4 hardware currently being punted at the moment,

who will ship the best machine on time?

im leaning towards black arrow machine for a feb delivery, looking at 3 machines, so 6th/s running.

Would anyone suggest anything better?

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