Topic: Whitelisting, spam score and community vote to eliminate spam with signature (Read 210 times)

I don't think implementating bump scoring on boards like Bitcoin Discussion would change things.

Spam on boards like Announcements is mostly aimed at bumping a topic back to the top so as to get more visibility. Spam on Bitcoin Discussion is mostly aimed at being paid for signature campaigns. They don't care whether or not their post will bump the thread, so the sorting won't change their behavior. All it might do is make the threads with good posters attract more spammers by virtue of being on the first page.

I'm afraid I'm also not keen on your "one line post" rule. Firstly, there are plenty of questions which only need a one line response to be answered. Requiring more will just result in unnecessary waffle to pad out the answer. Similarly, banning one line posts will just mean the spammers make two line posts; it is trivial to just repeat your single sentence in a slightly different way.

I agree completely that Bitcoin Discussion and others need cleaned up, but I think the way to do that is to more rigidly enforce the current system and start banning the spammers rather than introducing a new system.

You are right and I know that.
I was talking about the case your idea regarding extending the bumping score to other boards is implemented.
In my opinion there isn't any need to apply the new bumping system to other boards. Those 4 boards are enough. Because there are used for advertisement and they are abused.

For non-targeted boards of bump scores, the sorting based on bump score is not a default one. Meta and Bitcoin Technical supports are non-targeted boards.

You can sort the threads on any board by their bump score.
For example, using the link below, threads are sorted by bump score in "bitcoin discussion" board.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=1.0;sort=bump;desc

But I don't agree that sorting the threads by their bump score is the default sorting.
Assume that a newbie want to ask a question on "Meta" or "Bitcoin Technical Support" or someone who has not bump power want to open a useful thread in bitcoin discussion. What will happen?
No one will read those topic.
The new bumping system is useful only on boards that are used mostly for advertisements.

In my opinion, the bump score is very great tool to reduce spam but by now there are only four boards that have bump scores in effects:
There are lots of discussion boards (bitcoin, altcoin, gambling) that have thousands of spam posts and many spam mega threads.
If bump score extends to those boards and spam mega threads, it will be another great step to fight spam.

Bump score, by itself, can not solve spam because it depends on companies and managers in the way they count eligible posts from their participants. Some include posts in those boards, some exclude posts in those boards.

I think of spam fighting and some potential solutions:

• Whitelisting with manager-jails
• Spam score
• Community vote

1. Whitelisting with manager-jails
Whitelisting aims at managers.

Some criteria for manager whitelisting:

• Potential indicators of bought accounts: woke up and email changed recently
• Post history with focus on post quality
• Past campaigns

If one account woke up and changed email address recently, it highly means that account changed hands and woke up mostly to run their campaigns. This, is undeniable indicator of very potential spam campaign from potential scam project, too.

If one user has very poor quality in post history, it is ridiculous to believe that user will manage campaigns smoothly from spam.

If one user has very bad history with past campaigns, we have a foundation to think of potential new spam campaigns. It is not completely true because people can change and improve, I know.

Newbie jails likely will not come back but I think manager jails are good for the forum.

There are two results of Whitelisting:

• Failure: it means that manager is unable to run a campaign at a specific point of time.
• Success: it means that manager is able to run a campaign at a specific point of time.

For type #1: there is nothing to discuss. If that manager want to manage a later campaign, s(he) should improve their contributions in the forum before trying another opportunity.

For type #2: how long that manager will be allowed to manage that campaign (if company does want to stop it) will depend on two following factors.

2. Spam score
Spam score will be calculated by some factors:

• Percentage one-line posts with each signature.
• Percentage of posts deleted by moderators.

I know post length does not determine post quality in some cases but in my opinion only knowledgeable users can make good posts with one line. Most of one line posts are spam. From that point, if a company runs a signature campaign with dominant percentage of one line posts per total posts from their participants, it is very good indicator of a spam signature campaign.

To support one line post factor, the second one, the percentage of posts deleted by moderators is needed.
If a one line post is a good one, it will not be deleted by moderators. For deleted posts, they serves same role as the first factor.

3. Community vote
Each user has vote right and vote power but voting is optional not mandatory.

Vote power depends on their ranks, their total earned merits and their total earned merits in the last 120 days.

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The second and third ones will be updated weekly. If one manager gets negative results for the second and third indicators, it is reasonable for admin to consider mandatorily stop their campaigns (there are more criteria of admin for his decision, I know), like what the forum did with Yobit campaign many months ago.

How do you think, spam busters?