Topic: WHO and UNICEF Secretly Sterilizing Women in Poor Nations? (Read 1242 times)

I do recall that there was a generation of sterility problems in the Philippines because of vaccination experimentation to make people sterile in their countries kind of sets me on edge that it might be coming back in one form or the other again.

Hard to know, but it seems pretty clear that there has been a lot of interest and a lot of money poured into technology to sterilize people, and doing so in such a way that it is hard to detect seems like something which was a focus of the research.  It's kind of hard to believe that effort would be put into a project which nobody was hoping to at some point employ.

It's also hard to ignore how interested some people are in the possibilities here.  Many of them are fundamentalist freaks (e.g., Gaea worshipers who believe it is their duty to foist their whack-a-doodle beliefs on humanity) and they seem to be well represented in the NGO sphere where a lot of these policies are driven from.  I dunno if Gates is a eugenicist or not, but it would not surprise me given that his dad was the leader of planned parenthood or some such.  Surely elements of population control have been something he's been exposed to for some time.  One way or another, the damage he did in India trying (supposedly) to make the rest of the world safe from Polio is bad enough in and of itself.

Furthermore, it's a bit difficult to understand why the Catholics in Kenya would have taken the actions they seem to have unless there was a genuine problem that they felt strongly about.  Maybe they just want to gain control in some sort of a power-play, but this thesis strains credulity in my opinion.

Long story short, from the information which seems to be as viable as possible given the circumstances, the 'glove seems to fit.'  I'll withhold judgement until more info comes out, but credible info is hard to come by which is pretty much exactly what I would expect assuming there was a WHO/UNICEF associated crime.  Probably we'll have to wait to see fertility rates though it is possible that a trusted party can do some analysis of antibody counts of the purported victims.  Somewhat less likely that such results would be accessible to the world at large though.

Sieg Heil!

But seriously, this accusation of sterilization is serious, are there any credible sources or lab reports etc, do these "Catholic Doctors" actually have proper evidence? We have to imagine all possibilities here, eg. WHO fucked up with the ebola crisis, they handled it pretty poorly. Could this be a smear attack over that (obvious speculation, but at this time no more proven than the OP story AFAIK)?

I think you have to be skeptical with these types of stories, conspiracy news sites LOVE a bit of sterilization (eg. Bill Gates' vaccination comments being taken out of context to imply he is a eugenicist).

its nothing to do with ethics its about our survival vs theirs in a world with limited resources. reducing third world population must be our objective if we are to secure current living standards for ourselves and future generations

if everyone used as many resources as europeans and americans we'd need between 3-5 planet earths. if third world populations continue to rise without their consumption falling (and there is no prospect of this happening, they are industrialising and getting richer) we in the developed world will end up with a smaller piece of the pie. that means working longer hours for less stuff. my descendents having at least as good a life as mine trumps the right of more africans to be born.

Because my country can handle our own problems without aid or any U.N officials. Not just that But I don't plan on having 12 fucking kids either.

Why can't you start with yourself and your own family to have less of you then?

I am sorry that "darkies" cant control themselves even though we give them aid.

I've got no problem ethically about withholding aid when the aid is ultimately going to make problems worse, and using it as a carrot/stick thing.  It's absolutely awful, but in my opinion the alternative is even worse.

I've got a giant problem with covert activities and doing things to people without their knowledge.  Especially robbing them of their fertility which is probably the most important thing to a large number of individuals.

I don't think that the U.S. has a leg to stand on when it comes to telling others how they should be behaving and have no trust in our propensity to act ethically.  Nor am I confident to rely on Western and NGO assertions to gauge the magnitude of the problems which exist here and there.  They are good at putting out scare propaganda (e.g., 'destroying the planet') geared toward tipping the Western populations into supporting ethnic cleansing, and low population densities on a global scale is seen as a national security objective here in the U.S.  Also I see this interest in eugenics as a means for a relatively small group of people to assert control over resources globally.

Make a forced sterilization campaign democratically supported (by the target population) and applied equally to the population from the heads-of-state on down and I'd consider it.  Make fertility another 'herd management' item (extending the 'herd immunity' management underway with vaccinations generally) and I'll consider it one of the top crimes in human history, and one which should be punished accordingly.

A confirmed finding of hCG in the vaccine is definitive proof. However, it is possible that the catholic doctors are lying or that the lab was incompetent. That is why I left the ? in the topic title.

The preponderance of the currently available evidence, however, is strongly on the side of the catholic doctors.



I agree and would be very interested to know how this was accomplished.

Doesn't sound like proof for me.

There should never be beta hCG in a tetanus vaccine. If it is there then the vaccine is not a simple tetanus vaccine. The catholic bishops claim they sent six samples of the vaccine for testing to labs in south africa and all came back positive for beta hCG.

The dosing patter is also highly suspicious. The tetnus vaccine is typically administered to infants of both genders and not limited to women of childbearing age. The burden of proof in this case is on the WHO to prove they were administering the traditional vaccine. The deafening silence from the WHO is quite telling. Why have they not explicitly and publically denied the doctors claims? Someone is attempting to mislead the public here. Do you think that is the catholic doctor's association or the WHO?

If this is confirmed it will trigger a major backlash against all vaccinations in poor countries. Thousands perhaps hundreds of thousands of people may die from easily preventable diseases.

It's a speculations. Do you have the proof?
Right now in kenya birth rate are very high.

sterilisation for africans should be mandatory in exchange for the aid we give them, third world overpopulation is destroying this planet

I've been following this story for a while.  In fact, I was looking for new articles for updates when I stumbled upon this post, and since bitcointalk.org is my practically my sole 'social media platform', I cannot help but comment.

This should be a pretty big story by rights I think.  In fact, 'Google news' has no entries since the beginning of the month, and information on what happened after the joint investigation was supposed to have occurred is interestingly quite MIA.  That in and of itself is suspicious to me.  It's not the first time I've seen such a thing recently.  Me thinks that the free flow of information problem is being successfully addressed and/or news outlets are being brought well to heal.

My best guess at this point is that this probably was a firing up of the research and purported implementation in Mexico, Philippines, etc from back in the 1990's.  Everything is just to suspicious for my tastes.

Also, with 20 years of time gone by there are more and more people who think it is A-OK for whites to sterilize darkies because they don't know how to take care of themselves and we're doing them a favor.  The training is going according to plan it seems.  Reference above post.  I guess I'm kind of old-school;  while I've had a life-long fascination with population issues and 'lifeboat ethics' and am a straight-up atheist, I still consider covert sterilization to be a Nuremberg level crime and one that should result in the perpetrators being hung by the neck until dead.  Literally.

Honestly Kenya cant control itself anyway so less people to take care of the better. I know that sounds heartless but having more people is going to make things worse.

The Kenya Catholic Doctors Association is charging UNICEF and WHO with sterilizing millions of girls and women under cover of an anti-tetanus vaccination program sponsored by the Kenyan government.


Some background medical information. The tetanus toxoid provokes a strong and immediate immune response in humans. It has historically been conjugated with other agents to make vaccines against those agents. For example Haemophilus influenza a leading cause of childhood meningitis does not produce much of a protective immune response when given to children by itself but when injected along with the tetanus toxoid it produces a powerful and protective immune response. Similarly it is possible to provoke an immune response to other things by attaching them to the tetanus toxoid.

Notably it is possible to make a pregnancy vaccine by coupling the tetanus toxoid to Beta hCG.
Beta hCG is the same molecule measured in over the counter urine pregnancy tests and is required to sustaine early pregnancy. By coupling the tetanus toxoid with beta-hCG you can create antibodies to hCG that prevent pregnancy.

This "vaccine" was developed in 1997 and is called the HSD-hCG. As of 1997 this prevented pregnancy for 6 months but required booster shots every six months as the vaccine lost effect as the immune response died down.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9083611

Furthermore according to thinktwice.com there have been similar "tetanus vaccination campaigns" in both Mexico, Nicaragua, and the Philippines. What is very odd about these campaigns is that they are reported to only target women between the ages of 15 and 45. Men and children are reportedly not vaccinated.

The traditional tetanus vaccine is administered primarily to children. Below is the recommended dosing schedule for the tetanus vaccine which is called TDaP because it is coupled with Diphtheria and Pertussis.

DTaP vaccine recommended dosage.
1.   First dose at 2 months
2.   Second dose at 4 months
3.   Third dose at 6 months
4.   Fourth dose at 15 to 18 months
5.   Fifth dose at 4 to 6 years
6.   Sixth dose is recommended at 11 years
7.   Tetanus booster is recommended every 10 years thereafter next dose recommended age 22

It makes no sense to administer a tetanus vaccine only to women age 15-45. It is young children who are most at risk from tetanus and both women and men are equally at risk.

Also damming is the surprisingly vague WHO statement that was released as a result of this controversy.
http://outbreaknewstoday.com/who-statement-on-tetanus-vaccine-there-is-no-hcg-hormone-in-tetanus-toxoid-vaccines-74153/
The statement basically says that the tetanus vaccine is safe and does not contain beta hCG. But reading between the lines this statement is not an explicit denial. What is claimed by the bishops to have been administered is not the tetanus vaccine but something entirely different the antifertility vaccine HSD-hCG. The statement issued by the WHO does not deny that HSD-hCG was given to Kenyan women. There also seems to be a strange lack of interest by the Kenyan government.