Topic: Who is fooling around with btc Price? (Read 567 times)

Bitcoin is decentralized but in reality it is being controlled by a few. They own the majority stake in the total market cap and hence have enough to drive the volume in either direction they want. Same goes for exchanges who know about your stop loss and entry/exit point. They can easily manipulate your trades.

So in true sense where Bitcoin is not inherently controlled by any third party but the market is.

The market price does not move in accordance with the speculation and prediction made by news sites, if you trusted those then it is your mistake  .

There is nothing wrong with the market and if you look at the past charts you will understand that the market usually behave like this and the current situation is not different, there might be manipulation but it is impossible to know those until we have a transparent market space where all the exchanges provide the real data.

Bitcoin is an unregulated market, if anyone is fooling around with bitcoin price we would have absolutely no idea who that is and we have absolutely no idea IF anyone is fooling around with it. There is no system that shows someone buying millions of dollars worth of bitcoin or selling it, this is not stock market.

Normally, in stock market or forex world there is "accounts" that show who does exactly what and if you end up buying 10% of all stocks from a company everyone knows about it because it is public knowledge, in bitcoin you can end up buying 50 billion dollars worth of bitcoin and still keep it a secret if you want to without anyone ever hearing about it (the hidden part could cause it to take some time). That is why we can never know the answer to this question, we can just speculate.

I don't really think whales are doing it.
It could just be because of the large numbers of exchange by now.
We are growing and so does the number of traders out there.
Add the sellers and buyers that are coming around trying to make money in a rush. (which is what crypto currency is defined to them)
That is all the reason we could see for now.

It is really not a good look when people imagine there are secret wealthy trying to move bitcoin however they want. It stops people from making their own movements because they are afraid whatever they do, there could be some wealthy individual or a group of people who are looking to make the opposite thing.

There are no people who can overcome all of us together, if we all came together for the same time and bought bitcoins like crazy, even the richest people on earth can't stop us, there are not enough bitcoins in the world of wealthy that they can sell to stop us, this is not fiat, there are limitations and you can't create bitcoin out of thin air or print them to stop poor to get rich. That is why there could be some rich folks playing with bitcoin but not big enough to stop all of us if we could just manage to get together.

in my opinion the price of bitcoin is not only determined by people with large capital, but there are many factors that can affect the price of bitcoin. The price of bitcoin can also be influenced by news and market conditions. only people who have very large capital can manipulate the price of bitcoin.

That would be difficult to find, as we haven't seen major changes from this time around. And if we say it is really been manipulated then why manipulate the market at such price scale? No, specific big changes it just bounces back at 7k for a couple of days. It may be just natural though, and in addition isn't it good as we the market going to start 2020 not quite big nor small, just a fair enough price.

What exactly did you expect from them? It's a professionally traded market, which means that they just follow the trend as it comes. Trend has been down and kinda sideways, so what other than more of the same is there to expect from CME? The only slightly bullish aspect of CME currently is that there is a slight premium, which is indicative of demand, but still not a guarantee that we will head back up.

As long as stocks are usurping all the attention in the financial market Bitcoin will likely just stay 'boring' and bearish. The stock market looks like a bubble that will have a very nasty pop eventually. So much paper wealth generated and so little actual liquidity to allow freshly minted millionaires and billionaires to cash out together.

do not understand what you mean hurts? traders or prices that still look sick and have not recovered from adversity, everyone does not expect it to continue to hurt, at least it must really recover from a bloody market next year, my hope and maybe the hopes of others also in this forum hope not painful

Why does it have to be manipulation? There is a huge degree of natural volatility in the markets. Small coins may be easy to manipulate, but it takes a lot of effort to deliberately move bitcoin price. Perhaps I am being naive, but I suspect there is an element of paranoia here.

Although rumour that whales really control market, i never think that far. And what can i do maybe only follow the flow of market and wait for the time that will be good for me to take profit. About something like this, if only discuss i think  a lot of people already discussed it. What other needs is if that "whales" really existed, maybe some proof about it will make us can discuss it further.

Is this kind of market something new to you?
For us, it is not anymore.
It will keep on moving on amounts that you never expected and users here knows that it is just a normal thing which happens to bitcoin.

Look at the charts for a year and you will see how much it gained and loss. Somehow it might give you lessons.

Even with tons of money invested into market there will be still manipulation. Just look at gold, its market cap is around 10 times bigger than bitcoins and there's still news about it being manipulated by big corporations, and it is supposed to be a regulated market. So with bitcoin there's no surprise that there is whales manipulation on prices as the market is not regulated and people can do whatever they want from fake orders to pumps and dumps. And in all fairness, I don't mind it, that's how the markets should be, a wild wild west and only strongest can survive it.

Bitcoin is always volatile. I’m sure there are people that manipulate the price but there is no way to change that until more people/money enter the market. At that point, it will be harder for whales to control the market.

Isn't it how the market supposed to be moving? It's expected already that the fluctuations rate of bitcoin is too fast compared to other cryptocurrencies. Thus, this movement of the market is just a typical movement sometimes it goes high or low.

Painful sideways is still painful I guess ? ^^ Expected much more fireworks from the current CME future contracts, yet nothing happens.

I don't know whether this is due to the effect of the futures market or the margin market that is paired on every bitcoin trade or using a contract, I don't understand why prices look like they are being played at this time, there is no certainty in the actual direction, I also want prices to really go back up above $ 10k because soon we will arrive in 2020, is it time to say go to the moon soon

Who said that we were on bull run, I think we are still in the bearish market, perhaps folks are pertaining to the bull run that might actually come after the halving this coming year. Bitcoin is really volatile so what do you expect, just for an example, seeing on it past movement Bitcoin has made around $10k this first week of December if I remember and now it suddenly drop at around $7k, and I think having this price is the best moment to buy some cheap tokens thus we could get a high return as uptrend comes after this halving.

There is no one behind it.
It is us who makes the fluctuation happen.
Traders in exchange and those who are buying using different websites local or international.

Don't think too much or you will just get wasted with it. 
It is just a normal movement for bitcoin. Be happy, you could use it in trading.

Who's worrying actually?
If we are in doubt about the capability of Bitcoin, it surely we are been caught into FOMO and couldn't sleep. What we need now is to keep calm, feel at ease cause this downtrend motion of Bitcoin's price is just temporary, it will be back to its good position sooner or later.

yes I agree with you since the beginning of bitcoin appears the price of bitcoin has fluctuated. the rise and fall of bitcoin prices is common. so we do not need to worry about continuing to try to collect bitcoin so that in the future we can obtain greater profits. I am optimistic that in the future bitcoin prices will be even more expensive. don't keep thinking about the current decline in bitcoin because it's useless.

did you know that the real whales do holiday everyday lol

christmas just the little part of it but people continue correlating the big money are on hold because of the holiday break , i will say it is just a coincidence. need a proof? just look at the chart , the price on each desember of 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 and 2018 always in different situation.

sometimes bullish , sometimes bearish. sometimes fall and sometimes it goes wild up.
which means there is nothing to do with the holiday break, i mean okay there is a little impact because of the holiday spending, but i won't say it has a huge impact caused, it was just usual move.

If you think the price is manipulated, please provide the real time fact that it was manipulated.
Investors do not need prices to go up to hundreds of percent for them to get profits, they only need 3-5% per transaction to be able to reap profits. Because the capital they use is very large.
Small trader players always hope that there is a fantastic increase so that every transaction they place can get a big profit, but when prices only move up to a maximum of 5% they say that it's price manipulation.
Bro, be realistic about price patterns formed in the market. What happens there is an agreement between the buyer and seller, the equilibrium price is formed. Prices will not follow your expectations.

Sounds relevant answer of yours, correct, there's someone trying to manipulate the market and that is the reason why bitcoin was struggling to pump up and maintain the price of $7k range. I highly doubt that this whale probably disappears soon once they were tired of manipulating the market. All we can do is patiently hold at this moment while waiting for the next halving reward of bitcoin probably there is a high chance that price will go up.

The answer is whales.

If I had 10 million dollars I'd also try to make money by squeezing leveraged traders. It's very hard to do on forex and other markets with high volume and liquidity but extremely easy to do on altcoins and just a bit harder on Bitcoin.

It's going to end at some point either when markets become regulated or when we have another rally with high volume. Then all those influencers will jump on the money train and pump and dumping will end for a while.

I think when you have enough money to be a whale it must be very easy to fool with the prices. I have never been a whale so I don't know what goes in their minds but if I had billions of dollars to mock around (even couple hundred) and they were all liquid or in crypto world, I would have done something similar as well.

I would start with selling all my bitcoins to usdt in plenty of markets to drop the price first, when the price went down I would just stay around to see if it goes back up, if it tried to go back up I would sell more to keep it low, when people realize it is not going back up and they start to sell I would start to buy and keep the price stagnant, wouldn't allow to go up but would buy when people sell and get myself a lot more bitcoins than I started out with.

I expect that the CME futures market is a key player for price setting.

I believe that the cryptocurrency market is manipulated by people who hold a lot of bitcoins and a lot of money that we often call them sharks.
Sharks always use the information to hit the psychology of small investors. If they want prices to go up, they will find a way to produce good news and vice versa if they want prices to go down, they will find ways to create bad news.

Maybe if it was like that I'd disagree with you because pump on one day and dump on the next seems like a legit price action. In Bitcoin we had 7,2k USD that pumped by 200 USD in 3 hours and went back to 7,2 3 hours later. This is the same money going in and out.

I agree with others that it's a sign of low liquidity and allows for small amounts like 200 BTC to move the price by $100 up or down depending on whether it's bought or sold.
Whales or pump groups are taking advantage of this and there's nothing we can do besides staying away and not trading.

It's as usual the whales they have started generating short term pump and then dump in order to gain profit gradually rather than their traditional method of massive cash out. This time I doubt it's the traders who might have formed a group and manipulate the price since they had good chunk of bitcoin. We need to be on our toes if we need profit as promised bull run is still far away.

That's the mindset of a noob in any field. If you can't beat the game, it cheated on you. The most used term amongst noobs in the last 6 months is 'whale manipulation'.

Price drops 5%; whales are pushing the price down to buy lower.
Price drops another 10%; whales are still hungry for more.
Price pumps 10%; bull run is around the corner boys, let's buy more! (no mention of whales doing anything)
Price then dumps 15%; whales don't want the price to go up.

You get the point. It's kinda hilarious reading through all those claims and gibberish conversations, but it's sad at the same time. These people shouldn't be here speculating.

Even us don't know what's happening or that there is manipulating. we can not predict the price but those big investors can. they are the one's who manipulated our minds not the price, their simple predictions or negative and positive news can affect the price that's why we think they manipulated it but it not. we should control our emotions in this news and their predictions, so learn more about market move and don't fall for hype and manipulating.

this is a normal price fluctuation, imagine if didn't have this price fluctuation? who would do daytrade?


I don't know which news channels you read, but the news channels I read just say that maybe we can see the bull race in the future.


I have no idea if someone is manipulating the price or not... this is a subject that has companies that focus on it, I saw one day a report of a certain company about it


Read This:

What Is The Meaning Of Crypto Bull Run ? When Is The Next Bull Run ?

It's called volatility and you need to deal with it since it really happen anytime since if more people selling the more dump coming but if you can see buys you can see a pump and it's pretty normal so there's nothing to worry about.

 There's nothing to panic and don't believe easily that every movement is been manipulated it's just how the market works.

@Polo7 it seems to me that you’re new to crypto’s because no experienced investor would consider a $500 hike to be the start of a bull run, hence I would advise you to read about the last bull run and learn more about bitcoins and it’s volatile nature. Though you were wrong about this hike being a bull run you were partially right too, because price manipulation’s is prevailent in the crypto market and it’s done by whales.

You can read more information here: https://www.technologyreview.com/f/614673/one-bitcoin-whale-may-have-fueled-the-currencys-price-spike-in-2017/

https://www.kitco.com/commentaries/2019-05-06/Ten-Mysterious-Crypto-Whales-Influence-Bitcoin-Prices.html

because there are still many fools who still believe and follow a trend of the news, many traders focus their chart analysis on news that is not necessarily true, futures markets and others, they are off track from the actual direction of the game, I am a person who doesn't care about bitcoin will go up high or down and don't even care about big people who have names about bitcoin price analysis going forward even a gavin can wrongly say craig is satoshi, but I still believe bitcoin prices will make people surprised to see it in the next 2 years

I hope the speculation is not real, but on the left side everyone seems to turn a blind eye about it even for the sake of waiting for the cheap bitcoin price must make analysis and news manipulation make something that makes bitcoin look bad and have to fall to touch $ 3000 besides that on the right side there are still some people who still believe history will repeat itself, so this is where we are separated in the analysis, but what unites and determines the end is halving 2020 time soon when there are many people who feel missed the train there are also those who do not feel missed the train, so time will determine the outcome

I have said several times about this in this forum, enjoy your vacation time at the end of the year, bitcoin prices will continue to stabilize until the beginning of the year there might be a bit of a shock at the start, no need to trade let the whale play with its clear toys it's not you

I don't think there is a bitcoin price manipulation like that, just a little difference is not possible in the manipulation, we already know that the current market is still unstable and is still surging so that this is just a real market movement.
See now the market is green but the increase is only a few percent so this is purely traders who sell for holidays and buy to approach halving.

Bitcoin is undergoing ranging mode more or less like the price is consolidating there isn't a big deal deal about that the price movement is in equilibrium once demand supercedes supply a trending bullish movement would be established, I don't think there is whales manipulations you are looking at the with a short term perspectives not watching it with a long term perspectives.

Here is a good tip for you,

Whether you are trading cryptos, stocks, futures, commodities or what not. Don't trade the days between Christmas and New Years. Why? Because there is very little liquidity. Most of the large whales are on vacation because who wants to sit all day trading during the holidays and markets get erratic.

This is what we are seeing right now. Basically today earlier we got a sweep of the lows and yesterday we got a sweep of the highs, its a very tight ranging market and it will chop you up if you try and trade it. Wait until like January 5th to trade.

no one knows for sure who is playing with the price of bitcoin. what is clear is that we know that there is a whale that can manipulate the price of bitcoin. and I think right now we are still in the bear market so it's natural that the price of bitcoin goes up a little and then goes down more. and no one knows when this bear market will end. but I'm still optimistic that bitcoin can pump again when we enter the bull market. investing in bitcoin does require extra patience because sometimes the bear market lasts a long time.

Check bitcoin price chart on CMC and you will realise that this has been the case since the first bitcoin introduced into the market.
Bitcoin price is known by its volatility and if you have been in this market for long time you would know that there is no manipulation here. The price of Bitcoin is only driven by the demand and supply law.
Don't  believe every thing you read. No one knows when the next bull run will start.

I believe we've been in a bull market since the beginning of 2019. It's just not obvious yet. It will become obvious once the June high is broken.

In Elliott Wave terms, the December-June rally was likely "Wave 1." We have completed (or nearly completed) "Wave 2" with the bear run to the $6,000s. The next wave is usually the big one.


With all the short-lived spikes in both directions, it looks like a battle between bulls and bears to me. That is typical of a Wave 2. Everyone is confused and no one really knows if it's a bull or bear market.

Well, for me it's hard to understand that every time when price goes down users think that price is manipulated and some individuals or gropus, usually whales are to be blaimed for that. On the other hand they claim.that Bitcoin is decentralized and independent so manipulation of price doesn't go along with that.  It's funny how therr always needs to be some explanation "out of control" every time when price isn't favourable.

That's why I don't read crypto news.  At all.  And I'm not sure why people would be talking about a bull market right now, because there obviously isn't one and hasn't been for a while.  There hasn't been any really bullish movement since this past summer and bitcoin has been moving sideways ever since.

And usually people cry "manipulation!!" when bitcoin is going down to the mat, but that isn't happening right now.  It's not doing much of anything, just treading water.  There's no manipulation I can see, and you have to also keep in mind where bitcoin started off at in the beginning of 2019.  It was a lot lower than it is now, so despite hitting $12k or whatever the year's high was, we're not ending 2019 on a bad note.

Let's assume for a moment that the bottom is in at $6,430 and we're beginning a new uptrend.

These bloody pullbacks at the beginning of an uptrend are what my buddy calls "vinegar strokes." Bears are still fighting hard, dumping into any moment of weakness, hence the whipsaws. However, if/when they can't follow through on new lows, they will eventually get squeezed in the other direction.

It's a waiting game.

Questions like this would actually not stop simply because of the volatility of the price does not stops and since that didn't happen, people would continually look for answers to whatever is the source of the current happening. It will surprise you that should price increase to say $8,000 or down to below $7,000 several threads would still come up to know the reason. The advantage I see there is that it enable one update about the trend in the market knowing what is going on even though it might happen when you are not watching or you are sleeping. Other than that, its just schematics.

there is no evidence that the recent decline in bitcoin prices was caused by manipulation of market price movements. I think the price of bitcoin is now purely because many people sell, it's because the holiday season has arrived and everyone doesn't want to miss a precious moment to be able to enjoy a vacation with family, therefore they are willing to sell half the bitcoin that he has.

Dont pay much attention to who is manipulating the price of bitcoin. Just go with the winds, get your profit and quit. This variation of 700-800$ is normal of bitcoin. If you have missed this opportunity just make a conclusion about this bull run and next time play smart.

So you are frustrated because you cannot make a killing with the current price. Guess what, somebody else is. The current price movement is just a cycle of what has happened before. Stop finding the manipulators and start setting up a good position so you can actually make profits when the bull run starts.

I think it happened because, on the one hand, many people want to buy bitcoin cheaply and on the other hand, people sell the bitcoin they have for the new year. that price makes the price fluctuate at $ 7100 - $ 7500.
people talk about the bull run only limited to speculation, but it all has a basis, namely halving and other crypto developments. manipulation or not, if you believe the price goes up and down in that price range, you should take advantage of that moment.

Anddddddd if we find out the reason, will you fight it out with the bulls with your massive  wealth? That honestly makes you no different from them in the end though. Manipulation isn't occurring and this is called. the. natural. flow. of. the. market. If another trader dumped a lot of coins, then that's that, he sold BTC, that's natural. It's just that he sold a lot, which caused the price to go low, which is NORMAL. Why? Cos it's his right. That's that.

Why waste your time? Let's say you find out who's manipulating, and then you stop them, what are you gonna do yourself? Isn't you trying to exert your own control over the market also some form of manipulation?

The whales can do what they want, and they MAY achieve some influence for as long as exchanges are still able to hold individual volumes at bay and orderbooks to fool people. But price eventually achieves market equilibrium.

Don't waste your time fussing over it and let things happen. Get your Bitcoin now at these low prices. You can thank me later.

We know the government and banks aren't friendly with this market but its not surprising the big institutions like JP are trying to accumulate BTC as much as they want. Its not just them. I can only imagine all of them are competing who accumulates more of BTC and all other coins, manipulating the market must be one of the technique in fact some are just spreading negative news to spread fear to investors so they will dump.

Market manipulating is not new in cryptoworld like pump and dump based on what I see on bitcoin price we will see a big dump before the 2020 halving happen well if you believe on bitcoin you will continie to invest no matter what happen on the price why? Because of its popularity plus the benefits that help people to make transaction faster.

So an increase from $7,000 to $7,500 can consider as a start of the supposed bull run based on your view?

The problem is not about bitcoin being manipulated but on how you look and defined it.

Remember that there are different kinds of traders, individual or groups, big or small, that always react to how the market behaves. It does mean that the attempt to slow down or spoiled a certain trend is effective as the majority is reacting to it.

For how long this will lasts, no one knows.

If you check the market for this year, you will see that every month, the bitcoin price was increased, although, after the price increase, it will go down because the market will be like that. But the real bull runs still not appear to us because we need to get at the right time, and maybe the bull run will happen after the halving time. We don't know who can manipulate the price, but yes, I think the price already manipulated by some groups of people who have a lot of money. But that will not be a problem if you can follow them to make a profit.

No it isnt manipulation and these words are common to those person who arent familiarize with cryptos.When it comes to movement and volatility then jumping a few dollars doesnt signify nor a sign of manipulation yet those movements you mentioned are just a typical or normal day in crypto.
Get used to it and its better to mind on how you gonna utilize those movement for your own benefit yet you can short out or do make scalping with
volatility.This is how market works and dont get too surprised if it do drops even a thousand in one day.

First of all, don't always believe in any news you've read. Who says there is bull run? we are still clearly at bear market. When will bull run gonna happen? No one exactly knows. All you have read are just speculation, meaning there's no guaranteed that it will happen just because someone told you. I don't see any manipulation going on or any abnormal swing. Also, you don't need to stress or annoy yourself regarding who is responsible for the price movement. It's us, you got it? Just a guess, seems like you are the kind of person that always panic whenever there is price fall. You always seem to believe all speculation you have read.

I believe in market manipulation but who was the people behind this? I think its a group of people with a lot of money. Also the market reacts to the traders activity or the investors sentiments towards the market. Positive and negative news can also affect the price of btc.

I do not know whether the price of bitcoin is manipulated or not because in my opinion it is not visible at all and I think this is just a market movement that continues to return, even though the price of bitcoin continues to fall I believe this will aim at its bullrun but clearly we all know that bitcoin is very fluctuations so can not be sure will soar in the near future.

Hasn't this question been asked a few times already? Manipulation? From where did you even get that? Do you think just because a lot of traders/investors want BTC to take a bull run, it would? Stop daydreaming. BTC has been like this because of the traders' demand and the current supply in the market, simple.
There was some news/issues regarding the possibility of PlusToken actually causing the market to drop from 10k - 8k, but even if it did happen, the 7k price right now seems agreeable since it's pretty steady progress. Remember that BTC was only around 3k-4k in January, so having it exit 2019 with 7k seems a nice compromise already.
Sides, BTC can move steadily for even a year if the market dictates as such, and your desires, or no one else for that matter, could change it. Desire is simply put, a desire, it has no tangible output that could magically change the market price.

One day 7000 other day 7500 then Back to 7100 and on and on...

Now the all crypto news talking about bull run but its not Here!

Anyone got ideas who is behind that Bitcoin price manipulation?
Its not looking right  I think If we have bull run then at least price should go up one Week or Even month row then investors can make for sure some profits.

Something is wrong and we should find out why the btc price is manipulated like this!