Topic: Who is More Evil? (Read 3098 times)

I'm agree with this guy. evil is so relative. They all have their evil side.

A war of aggression is not illegal. The US has not made any law to this effect. The US has not signed any treaties to this effect. The UN has not passed any resolutions to this effect. By this logic, every war would be illegal. You have a very liberal mindset.

Iraq was still a completely illegal war (a war of aggression); so not only are the more direct casualties of the war the US's fault (and all other aggressors' fault), but the predictable outcome from it as well (namely, the expected sectarian conflict, for one). And this is just Iraq; the US has been involved a little all over the world, and when outright invasions weren't the methods used, coups and support for other brutal dictators was - like for example, Saddam, throughout his worst atrocities (before he disobeyed the US' orders and was punished for it).

I don't think it has been quite 1 million people that died in Iraq. Not only that but much of that number is from people that were fighting against the US (casualties of war) and the rest were not killed intentionally.

The people who were killed in North Korea were very much killed intentionally. The ones who have not been killed have been threatened with a number of bad things if they even disrespect the NK leader at the time.

Yes. The Korean dictatorship has killed around 3 million people. But the Americans are not far behind. Some 1 million has been killed in Iraq ever since Saddam was overthrown there. And many more were killed in Afghanistan, Libya.etc.

NK

Nice addition of Israel. I would probably put them ahead of the US at the moment. They're laughing in the face of the entire world right now while they slaughter civilians and bomb UN schools. Why the UN is not over there with their peacekeepers yet I don't know, or maybe I do *looks at US*.

Very true.  But North Korea has killed more people.  I know its only its own subjects but in terms of being evil, the North Koreans work a lot harder at it than the lazy Americans.

USA has invaded dozens of nations in the past several decades. On the other hand, there wasn't a single incidence of North Korea invading another sovereign nation ever since its existence.

Very tough question, and I'd love to take this opportunity to callously spout poorly-founded opinions out of my ass. I'll be going by guesstimated amount of evil committed and seeming commitment to continuing rather than "who's the most evil," which I wouldn't know where to begin quantifying.

21st century shitlist:
1) US
2) Sudan
3) NK
4) China
5) Israel
6) Syria
7) UK
8] Russia (ignoring the Chechen wars, remember)
9) France (I'm tempted to forgive France...)
("Islamic militants" not a valid poll option)

20th century shitlist:
1) Germany
1) Russia (tied!)
3) Japan
3) China (tied -- Imperial Japan was flat-out evil, no question - China was more shockingly stupid and callous, but inflicted more harm)
5) Belgium (CSF -- yeah, yeah, practically ancient history)
5) US (tied!)
7) Khmer Rouge
8] Italy
9) UK
(honorable mention for NK, I suppose)

North Korean concentration camps?  I hope that sarcasm because it's documented that China has plenty of forced labour camps themselves, with millions in confinement and they're political prisoners.

There's the US prison labour population which makes sweat shop goods.  

If I were to vote on this poll I would choose the militants.

You can blame the whole us / russia / etc for the actions of their leaders.
Of course many members on the government of those countries are "evil" and have their hand dirty but you can't say that the population of new York or Moscow is evil.

Voted USA just to piss you off

USA : North Korea 30 vs 14% ,lol. You goddamn Hippies & commies!

North Korea
They have concentration camps that are on par with if not worse than the Nazi's
They deny access to free speech or any information about the western world.
They paint Kim jong un as a Cult of personality
Without western food aid they would let their populous starve to death
in the concentration camps people are worked to death, tortured, killed and raped and it is seen as a norm there.

Fuck north Korea.

There is an assumption there that Israel wants peace, presumably in the form of the one, or two state solution, which I see no reason to believe is true. Rather, I believe they are perfectly happy maintaining the current status, where Palestinians in the West Bank are divided in what is increasingly resembling Bantustans, in which Israel can go in and take whatever land and resources they want for themselves, while keeping Gaza as an open air prison.


You do realize that Israel has an official policy towards Gaza of maintaining the population there in a state just slightly above that consistent with a humanitarian crisis, and the economy on the brink of collapse, right? I find it difficult to conciliate that, with the idea of helping someone, but I have to admire your mental gymnastics (and keep in mind never to ask for your help, apparently). About the warnings, even when they are given, where exactly are the civilians supposed to go? Last I checked civilians had little to no way of leaving Gaza, Israel had declared some 45% of the territory as a no-go zone, and even when civilians take refuge in shelters, many get hit anyway, as has repeatedly happened. And no, Israel does not automatically have the right to hit civilians because Hamas might or might not be nearby firing rockets and whatnot.

I agree. Israel has helped Gaza in many ways. They provide food and electricity to the people of Gaza and warn the citizens before they are going to bomb houses that have soldiers and military supplies in them.

Well i just wanted to point that people in general are evil.Meh I better stick with the subject,so i thing the goverment that is more evil is the North Korea  because for a long time north Korean people dont know what freedom is they are living daily in fear of getting punished by their goverment.The goverment havent develo their land and its like living at 19th century and thats how they show their tyrane.

I do agree here, but for this poll I'm referring to governments. I don't think that the people of NK are worse than the people of the US but the government is.

People in general are evil i cant compare or blame countries,people are making the ''bad name'' of their country.

My answer is probably not going to be the most popular but still I had to say it.
Pointing the finger and blaming others is the crux of all 'evil'. Regardless of how true the winning argument is.

This. I feel that it's difficult to ask that question because depending on who you are there can be so much variance from each person's perspective. Regardless though, I feel that the us mettles too much within international affairs.

I have trouble blaming Isreal for attacking a terrorist organization that has launched missiles at them for years despite Isreal making concessions for peace. Hamas will never be happy until Isreal is gone (which won't happen, because Isreal will win).

Yeah, the US is horrible for helping to save the jews in World War Two and supporting the only nation in a massive, intolerant, war-torn part of the world where jews can live safely.

The US is evil for supporting basic human rights and opposing the other nations on this poll who arrest dissenters, kill innocent women and children, and in North Korea's case threaten to nuke anyone who insults their brat-leader's hairstyle.

Seriously though, the US has its issues, but overall it's a great place to live.

AIPAC has some influence, sure, but to say Israel controls the US is taking it way too far in my opinion - rather, I'd say the US simply doesn't care, or agrees with most of what Israel does.

Voted USA because they have done the most shit, but Israel runs them so Israel is the choice.

There is no such things like the evil ones and the good ones in story and geopolitics. Even the movies are being tired of that duality


Also countires, in the sense you are speaking, are abtracts, so we can say about evil people, and evil people that have political power and can make evil things happen. In this sense, my vote will go to North Korea

I would disagree on this. What about Nazi Germany? Even though Hitler was it's leader, many people had to follow his instructions in order to kill all of the Jews. He did not have any wear near the level of control over his people and military that NK does.

Evil is just your perspective of the events. Take the sanctions against Russia for invading Ukraine for example..Can you think of another Country that does it all the time and no one talks about sanctions!

We as humans have some interesting traits that allow us to do disgusting things. I do not think you can call one more evil than the other without walking in their shoes.(Ie living their history)

Countries can't be evil, or its people.
Politic leaders can use power of their country, political, economic or military, for evil purpose.
The best example for this, in my opinion, is North Korea where one family since 1045 (3 generations already) using resources of their country (specially military power) to destabilize Korean peninsula, unify Korea by force and through constant tension mobilize their own people and stay in power. 

Remembering that the evil is the governments, and that all the governments work together to enslave us. They only pretend to be fighting in order to justify their power. The worst evil of all is Israel.

The USA are evil, but they only obey Israel's interests.
Russia is evil, but a necessary evil to give balance to the world agaisnt Israel-USA / Europe.
China is evil, but is also a convenient stop to the other evils.
Islamic Militants: are being lured to serve just as propaganda and justification to the real evil acts.
West Ukraine: Seem to be a people fighting for their self-determination (?) or puppets (?)
Israel: danger
North Korea: Nothing, joke, puppet, etc

All the peoples from these nations are innocent and do not deserve what their rulers do.

I think the united states of america is more evil  .

That story is true. I'm not too sympathetic to Russia, but to hear that boy

say he didn't want to die, to hear him beg and shout for his mother, that

makes my blood fucking boil in RAGE.

I am VERY HAPPY the Russians caught most of the killers.

I really hate to say it, but good job.

short scam but i think he talented to scam people with good word and some design .
blatant scammers

It was a hard choice for me, but I know what it isn't: USA.

Let's be realistic here... the USA has it's issues but it doesn't 1) blow up buildings full of innocent civilians 2) arrest anyone who speaks against the government 3) threaten to nuke anyone who doesn't bow down before a brat-leader's "fashion-forward" hair style.

I know USA bashing is the hip and cool thing to do these days, but please. The US is a pretty good place to live despite the government's overstepping, several other nations on this list, on the other hand, will literally lock people up simply for refusing to celebrate the leader's birthday, or in the case of extremist Islamic militants, for supporting women's rights (although in their case torture and death are more likely)!

I agree. Communist countries are likely the worse of all political and economic structures. There is no mobility and the government is very powerful and will use force if you try to think freely.

Communist countries is more evil. They totally supressed its citizens to a mere zombies. They killed its citizens as if they are chickens or animals. Stalin and mao killed more than what is killed in the intire world war 2 fatalities.

Despite the hate towards America, I don't think they have killed anywhere near as many as the Russians or Chinese have.

What's going in China is some really, really serious shit, Probably even worse than in n.Korea considering they are affecting many times more people.

Ya after looking at that list you will notice that that is countries that america has influenced the people or military into electing a new government official. Mostly it is a list of CIA operations that resulted in military coupes

It was the Cold War, and both the USA and the USSR were doing the same things all over the world. I'm sick of seeing that Putin bootlicker spread FUD everywhere, and people with no clue might end up believing there were actual invasions of Brazil and the other countries he listed.

I don't know about the Nintendo thread, but I'd say he is mostly right here. So, take Brazil as you mentioned; the only reason there wasn't a greater US involvement in the coup was because Castello Branco's forces were more successful than anticipated - the US had readied a few ships with ammo and oil to help out, and I think they even sent a carrier there just to make sure, but it proved unnecessary. Still, there was certainly diplomatic support (not least of which in recognizing the coup), financial support of members of the opposition, and involvement of the CIA.

Now, we don't know to what extent the CIA was used, as the records haven't been declassified so far, but here's what is known:


Taken from http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB118/index.htm.

So yes, there was no US invasion to be sure, but that's not the only way to get things done.

I have lived in Brazil for most of my life and I can assure you the US has never invaded the country, as they haven't invaded many others on your delusional list. In 1964 in Brazil there was a military coup under the pretense of "protecting the country from communists", and the US was most certainly favorable to this (as was a significant part of the Brazilian society at the time), but there never was any material support of any kind at all. You're a pathetic no-life Putin worshipping troll who keeps making up facts and figures just like you did on the Nintendo game thread a while ago.

North Korea is most evil towards its own people.  Biggest threat to the US or western world is a different question.

I think of all of these, the Islamic Militants are the worst because of the forced mutilation and other primitive stuff. Since I can pick only one I'll stick with that. But all of the ones you mentioned above are evil in at least some way.

in terms of leaving a vaccum of destruction.. it's USA, and that's uncontested. we just have a better system to mitigate the public discourse.

I see Obama has improved Amercia's standing in the world since every vote is not for the USA 

A well deserved Nobel Peace Price!

US is not flawed, it's just new to the game and sometimes can't see beyond the horizon or own greed, what often puts them in arms way to take the responsibility over shit they shouldn't put the nose there in the first place.

I think the suffering Russia and China have inflicted on their own people -- including the raw number of people affected -- as well as what they've done abroad (Eastern Europe, Southeast Asia) surpasses all of what the U.S. has done internally (not including slavery and Indians) and abroad.

US is a deeply flawed country, but, yeah, I think people are not going to like what comes after the US is no longer #1. It's going to be a much darker world, and we're getting a preview of what that world will look like right now.

I think you might have misunderstood me; I didn't mean to say they effectively invaded/instigated coups/whatever as much as the US did, only that their actions are of the same nature; they don't act all that differently to how the US does - but given their much smaller spheres of influence, these actions are mostly limited to a few regions. The US on the other hand has a much larger sphere of influence; hence the long list you presented. But trying to portrait the US as being something completely different to all the empires that existed so far, as the root of evil, is silly; they're just more of the same, on a larger scale.

Americans gotta support the petrodollar guys, don't blame them for invading innocent countries.

How can you say that Russia and China are as worse as the USA?

Here is the list of nations which the Americans have invaded in the past few decades. Give me the corresponding list of the countries invaded by China and Russia.

1949 Greece
1952 Cuba
1953 Iran
1953 British Guyana
1954 Guatemala
1955 South Vietnam
1957 Haiti
1958 Laos
1960 South Korea
1960 Laos
1960 Ecuador.
1963 Dominican Republic
1963 South Vietnam
1963 Honduras
1963 Guatemala
1963 Ecuador.
1964 Brazil
1964 Bolivia
1965 Zaire.
1966 Ghana
1967 Greece
1970 Cambodia
1970 Bolivia
1972 El Salvador
1973 Chile
1979 South Korea (Pro-USA government wanted)
1980 Liberia
1982 Chad
1983 Grenada
1987 Fiji
1989 Panama
2001 Afghanistan
2002 Venezuela
2003 Iraq
2004 Haiti
2009 Honduras
2011 Libya
2011 Tunisia
2013 Egypt
2014 Ukraine

The US will win the poll, without a shadow of a doubt.


The US did a lot on its side of the globe too, unfortunately - just look at South and Central America. By the way, is the embargo on Cuba still in effect? Why?


All in all, the US isn't really the disease either. Sure, it's the current bully on the block, but every empire that preceded it did pretty much the same. And as others mentioned, Russia, China, etc. are the same - just on a more limited area, on account of not being as powerful as the US. If you want to go after the disease, I'd say you'd have to look at the way society is structured.

That's why we need to vote to know what the majority believe.

Impossible to cast a vote at such poll. It depends on: more evil to who?
Russia is more evil to Ukraine and many other undermined ex-Soviet states, US to anybody sleeping over oil, gold or diamonds, North Korea, China and Islamic Radicals to its own people, Israel to Arab states...
"West Ukraine" makes no sense there, by the way. That's just an issue to Russians, nobody else. Like West Moldavia, South Georgia and others that doesn't want the Kremlin's "Obey or else" rule.

Right now the most evil is US but once China is on top it will be more evil than the US. They will even surpass what the Nazi does.

Who is more evil ?

ME !





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I'd pick the US. Islamic militants may be killing thousands of people. But we should remember that it was the CIA which created them. The treatment should be done for the disease, and not for the symptoms. USA is the cancer which is destroying the earth.

I've seen ISIS's propaganda video of them taking people out of their homes to be executed and doing drive-bys on cars on the highway, I seriously doubt their Hamas cousins are anymore civilized especially since they dress their children up in fake suicide vests, give them toy guns and teach them to chant death to the Jews.

North Korea, Israel and West Ukraine added to the poll.

Nation states limit their power with checks and balances in proportion to their wisdom,
but these erode, and the reasons are forgotten in the face of "crisis".

Don't believe the propoganda you see or read in western media. The're not using civilians as human shields. Isreal are using civilians as target practice then blame the muslims.

Ukraine in general is not evil. West Ukraine is stupid and misguided with a touch of greedy. East Ukraine is naïve and passive. People in West Ukraine are starting to wake up to the reality a bunch of nazis and oligarchs have put a whole country into. In a way they are having the same illness now, that Russia had under Yeltsin in the 90s.

Please add Ukraine to the poll.

Nation states are evil in proportion to their power.

Chechen is considered as Islamic militants. They love beheading like their brothers in the middle east and Africa.

The Islamic militants is a product fostered by the USA to fight proxy wars for them. Unfortunately for the US, these militants turn back on their creators. The Taliban in Afghanistan was fostered to destabilise the country at a time when Soviet Union conducted large economic and construction projects there - building housing, power plants, schools. Taliban was an effective tool to cripple the country and to force Soviet Union to send troops to defend the building projects and the people. Taliban has later been rebranded into Al-Quaeda.

I voted USA for the sheer amount of destructive interfering in the affairs of other states, most of which are located on the other side of the globe from the US, deposing legitimate governments, murdering state leaders, starting bloody wars.

Islamic Militants.

Should never be ok to go after civilian and use their own for human shield.

No matter how shitty the Russian or Chinese regimes are, they don't have that much of a negative impact on the outside world, mostly within their borders and nearby countries. So that cuts them out. Then you have US and jihadists left. Both do a lot of "evil" things, but the US does it for money whereas the jihadists do it for cultural/religious beliefs. Plus, the US does "evil" on a much, much bigger scale - just count how many countries they've had leaders overthrown in.

At first, it surprised me that the U.S. had no votes, knowing that the people here hate it. Then I remembered about the political situation of everyone right now...

They all have there evil side its just depends on who is able to hide it better.

This poll should allow multiple choices.

Chechen scum. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=173_1367845544

tl;dr Russians are surrounded at small town, so they surrender and are promised the town will be safe. They are all beheaded shortly after.

Who is more evil to you? And state your reasons.