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September 13, 2019, 01:48:05 PM
#56
You have a right to blame the bounty manager if the amount of money is less form your expectation. I mean, you took an instance with different cases, 1 dollar will have the same value because the dollar price is not have volatility price. Different with cryptocurrency which is have a high volatility, I won't blame bounty manager if the payment for each bounty hunter is $500 and the bounty manager will send the amount of token which have the same value to $500 whatever the amount of the token.
I am saying if someone is to blame that is company or team. I did not say bounty manager is guilty as they can't do anything if company decide to lower rewards so BM can't be blamed. It is not important how much is something worth, signing contract for one amount of tokens should give you that number of tokens which you agreed to be payed in and team agreed to pay you. Each bounty has its own set of rules and each one should be looked at in a different way. If it happens that team wants to send less tokens for only reason because bounty hunter will receive too much money when they exchange tokens to fiat, that is scamming bounty hunters and breaking a deal, of course, it has nothing to do with bounty manager, neither bounty hunters or bounty managers are to be blamed.
Everything would vary or depend on the team behind of a certain project.It right that Manager has nothing to do or cant do anything if the team decides to revert up some rules in the end of the program but somehow bounty managers can affect nor can give out some recommendations or reactions towards on such changes unless if he do agree with the team because managers are also scared for them not to get paid too that's why reactions or opposition do less likely to happen into these situations.Rules set must be followed until the very end and it do sucks when you see a project that to alterate it in the end of the day which leaving out those bounty participants hanging on the air.
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September 13, 2019, 01:34:10 PM
#55

If you are here to make money regardless of which bounty campaign you go whether BTC paying campaign or not you are here to make money and follow what bounty managers said as its their rules. You are no superior to a 3rd world kid because you are legendary.  If a bounty hunter misread the rules, its his business to PM his campaign manager. No need to blame him, he can blame himself for it.
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September 13, 2019, 12:28:17 PM
#54
Bounty hunters still think that its hard to read and they care less about guidelines and go for the gorgeous bounty allotment,it would be ideal if you have persistence and experience principles and guidelines,most occasions its not generally the bounty managers flaw.

Before you begin grumbling that bounty managers change bounty runs after bounty finished do you perused the bounty standards and guidelines?

Numerous bounties have as of now says it all in their standards and guidelines that BM can change the rules anytime so bounty hunters should realize that changes can occur anytime aswell,the single direction to maintain a strategic distance from this is if there is no such runs on the bounty string.

Who is to be blame?? Huh Huh Huh

If you are a bounty hunter it's important that you read all the rules and guidelines, it will harm you later if you ignore these rules, I'm ok changing the rules, there's not much we can do about it, since they can exercise this option, as long as the project is legit and has a potential it's ok with me, but if I see that there is something wrong on the project and bounty managers, still defending the project, then bounty hunters will be blamed, if the project turns out to be a scam project.
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September 07, 2019, 08:14:49 AM
#53
You have a right to blame the bounty manager if the amount of money is less form your expectation. I mean, you took an instance with different cases, 1 dollar will have the same value because the dollar price is not have volatility price. Different with cryptocurrency which is have a high volatility, I won't blame bounty manager if the payment for each bounty hunter is $500 and the bounty manager will send the amount of token which have the same value to $500 whatever the amount of the token.
I am saying if someone is to blame that is company or team. I did not say bounty manager is guilty as they can't do anything if company decide to lower rewards so BM can't be blamed. It is not important how much is something worth, signing contract for one amount of tokens should give you that number of tokens which you agreed to be payed in and team agreed to pay you. Each bounty has its own set of rules and each one should be looked at in a different way. If it happens that team wants to send less tokens for only reason because bounty hunter will receive too much money when they exchange tokens to fiat, that is scamming bounty hunters and breaking a deal, of course, it has nothing to do with bounty manager, neither bounty hunters or bounty managers are to be blamed.
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September 06, 2019, 09:59:30 AM
#52
Numerous bounties have as of now says it all in their standards and guidelines that BM can change the rules anytime so bounty hunters should realize that changes can occur anytime aswell
Anytime does not mean they (company, ICO team) can change rules after bounty is over and work is done. Imagine that you are bartender, you arrange deal with your employer for $500 per month, after a month of hard work your employer gives you $10 and say, I change rules of our deal because I can do that. You wouldn't blame yourself in this situation.
It depends on the coin/token itself. You have a right to blame the bounty manager if the amount of money is less form your expectation. I mean, you took an instance with different cases, 1 dollar will have the same value because the dollar price is not have volatility price. Different with cryptocurrency which is have a high volatility, I won't blame bounty manager if the payment for each bounty hunter is $500 and the bounty manager will send the amount of token which have the same value to $500 whatever the amount of the token.
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September 05, 2019, 02:01:02 PM
#51

Bounty is not a job because it is not a job? It is job if it brings profit, for many it is main source of income so for many it is a job.
Sorry for the interruption,bounties are giving rewards for the completing task which doesn't mean profits.

When we need to call something as a job it needs to have stable income,if not then it can be a profession.

But bounties may or may not exist in the future which is already not worth so don't consider it as job.
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September 05, 2019, 01:53:32 PM
#50
Usually, the bounty manager is just a hired worker to manage the bounty and not a part of the team in most cases. The bounty hunter must do his own careful research before participating in any bounty campaign, personally I try to join only the top quality projects, and I read the rules carefully and make sure I am comfortable with them.
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September 04, 2019, 05:09:39 PM
#49
The reason this forum's altcoins section run is because we have these bounty campaigns.
Alternate cryptocurrencies section exists since 2011. and that is a long way before bounty campaigns. Bounties or no bounties, section will run.
why bounties are not jobs then it it because it is not. Accept it or not is not my problem.
Bounty is not a job because it is not a job? It is job if it brings profit, for many it is main source of income so for many it is a job.
Also a team does not guarantee any payment, I am not sure why you dont understand this but this is true and its not a scam because it was already declared by the manager since the start of the campaign.
You don't understand if team break agreement it is scam. It is not worth to continue this conversation.
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September 03, 2019, 09:52:23 AM
#48
Making agreement with BHs and saying they will pay 3% of total number of tokens, changing payment after bounty is finished and paying less than 3% is scamming BHs.
You are not reading my lines properly. The reason this forum's altcoins section run is because we have these bounty campaigns.

Since you are looking for an "Argument" of why bounties are not jobs then it it because it is not. Accept it or not is not my problem. Try telling your next door neighbor about this "You know my job is to post in a forum and I get paid for that to pay for my daily bread" - you will get nothing but contempt from their face and they will simply laugh at you for being a bottomfeeder. Not that this applies to everyone but most of the 3rd world people in this forum make a living out of it and I guess they get an "itch" on their butt when someone talks bad about it. Grin

Also a team does not guarantee any payment, I am not sure why you dont understand this but this is true and its not a scam because it was already declared by the manager since the start of the campaign.
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September 03, 2019, 02:12:04 AM
#47
The bounty hunter must choose the most promising and paying campaigns, and if he isn't feeling comfortable with the bounty rules, the best decision is staying away from participating. We can't blame the bounty manager, because he is simply doing his work, so we need to check the quality of the project and the bounty's rules before joining.
It is very difficult to know those bounty that will reward you as some of them that look good and were well promoted on this forum, Facebook and Twitter has lose in the really market. Some of the bounty refused to share the stake and tokens to the bounty hunter because of the fear that if those tokens are share to the hunter, there are going to dump them in the exchange.
I see participating in baunty not much different from gambling! you only need luck to promote the only that will benefit you at the end.
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September 02, 2019, 11:48:12 PM
#46
I made an error referring to bounty managers as they, I was thinking about company or team who run ICO.

A bounty campaign is not a job.
For what is worth, it is a job for someone who can make living out of it.

Stop thinking about bounties as small time jobs with fixed payments like those in real life they are not
I would like to hear argument rather than opinion.

this wrong thinking process leads to this type of accusations being made even if he bounty manager is a person who is leninent enough to make sure everyone gets paid. You guys dont think from both sides and take into account only your own part.
Mighty_crypt asked who is to blame. Bounty hunters are hired by company, not bounty manager and bounty manager is payed to find bounty hunters for company, count posts and stakes. Company is employer and make rules about payment. Employer (BM is not employer) is to blame if they change rules

after bounty finished

unless this is within the rules

it will vary according to amount raised

If no amount is raised them you will get nothing for whatever you do

Making agreement with BHs and saying they will pay 3% of raised funds, changing payment after bounty is finished and paying less than 3% of raised funds is scamming BHs.
Making agreement with BHs and saying they will pay 3% of total number of tokens, changing payment after bounty is finished and paying less than 3% is scamming BHs.
Bounty is not a job but still there are people making life with those earnings but they never know how long it will exist. Roll Eyes

When you agreed their terms of bounty rules can be changed at any time then blaming when they changes is not a good idea.

They are scamming but you agreed their terms so you have to accept what they are saying.

Its rules changed by team not the bounty manager.
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September 02, 2019, 10:54:24 AM
#45
I made an error referring to bounty managers as they, I was thinking about company or team who run ICO.

A bounty campaign is not a job.
For what is worth, it is a job for someone who can make living out of it.

Stop thinking about bounties as small time jobs with fixed payments like those in real life they are not
I would like to hear argument rather than opinion.

this wrong thinking process leads to this type of accusations being made even if he bounty manager is a person who is leninent enough to make sure everyone gets paid. You guys dont think from both sides and take into account only your own part.
Mighty_crypt asked who is to blame. Bounty hunters are hired by company, not bounty manager and bounty manager is payed to find bounty hunters for company, count posts and stakes. Company is employer and make rules about payment. Employer (BM is not employer) is to blame if they change rules

after bounty finished

unless this is within the rules

it will vary according to amount raised

If no amount is raised them you will get nothing for whatever you do

Making agreement with BHs and saying they will pay 3% of raised funds, changing payment after bounty is finished and paying less than 3% of raised funds is scamming BHs.
Making agreement with BHs and saying they will pay 3% of total number of tokens, changing payment after bounty is finished and paying less than 3% is scamming BHs.
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August 31, 2019, 06:56:34 PM
#44
The bounty hunter must choose the most promising and paying campaigns, and if he isn't feeling comfortable with the bounty rules, the best decision is staying away from participating. We can't blame the bounty manager, because he is simply doing his work, so we need to check the quality of the project and the bounty's rules before joining.
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August 31, 2019, 11:41:01 AM
#43
Either rules get changed before or after bounty starts shouldnt be what bounty hunters should be complaining about,it doesnt matter to me as far as i get paid,what should be most important is getting paid,rules are meant to be broken so adjusting bounty rules is not a big deal
yeah youre right on that ,as long as we get paid on our bounty campaigns it doesnt matter what would be the final rule of the bounty manager . I will blame the bounty manager if i dont get my reward.
Blaming BM will not change anything. Why it is BM's fault? The one who doesn't want to pay you is the dev, there is no reason for BM to keep BH's reward on his hands or they will not risked their reputation only for that
People joining into the bounty campaigns by accepting their terms of rules can be changed at any time and later they blame bounty managers or projects for doing such things.Actually blaming won't change anything so people risking their time while joining into the bounties so they atleast have to do enough research by their own to promote this project is actually worth or not.
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August 31, 2019, 10:17:45 AM
#42
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A bounty campaign is not a job. Stop thinking about bounties as small time jobs with fixed payments like those in real life they are not so and this wrong thinking process leads to this type of accusations being made even if he bounty manager is a person who is leninent enough to make sure everyone gets paid. You guys dont think from both sides and take into account only your own part.

Firstly the payment is never fixed like a "bartender" - it will vary according to amount raised.

If no amount is raised them you will get nothing for whatever you do unless the bounty manager is generous enough to give some money from their own pocket - this things often remain unspoken of and the hunters never ponder over them because they are selfish about their own gains only.
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August 31, 2019, 10:00:07 AM
#41
Numerous bounties have as of now says it all in their standards and guidelines that BM can change the rules anytime so bounty hunters should realize that changes can occur anytime aswell
Anytime does not mean they (company, ICO team) can change rules after bounty is over and work is done. Imagine that you are bartender, you arrange deal with your employer for $500 per month, after a month of hard work your employer gives you $10 and say, I change rules of our deal because I can do that. You wouldn't blame yourself in this situation.
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August 30, 2019, 08:31:05 AM
#40
Either rules get changed before or after bounty starts shouldnt be what bounty hunters should be complaining about,it doesnt matter to me as far as i get paid,what should be most important is getting paid,rules are meant to be broken so adjusting bounty rules is not a big deal
yeah youre right on that ,as long as we get paid on our bounty campaigns it doesnt matter what would be the final rule of the bounty manager . I will blame the bounty manager if i dont get my reward.
Blaming BM will not change anything. Why it is BM's fault? The one who doesn't want to pay you is the dev, there is no reason for BM to keep BH's reward on his hands or they will not risked their reputation only for that
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August 30, 2019, 03:26:27 AM
#39
Bounty hunters should know the rules before deciding to participate to advertise the project. But sometimes their concern is only the earnings and not the rules and condition once you join.

Usually the rules can change anytime and stated often by the bm but if you're lazy to read then its your fault.

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August 29, 2019, 07:30:41 AM
#38
yeah youre right on that ,as long as we get paid on our bounty campaigns it doesnt matter what would be the final rule of the bounty manager . I will blame the bounty manager if i dont get my reward.

Then you and all those guys simply blaming the manager should probably get a real look at yourself.

The final rules always matter. But in the end,,, a fair program will always pay out, regardless of the outcome of the business. A good business sets aside funds and is always ready to pay no matter the results of the bounty. And a good manager will pay then to those who deserve. There is someone else to blame in this scenario.
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August 28, 2019, 09:10:48 PM
#37
Either rules get changed before or after bounty starts shouldnt be what bounty hunters should be complaining about,it doesnt matter to me as far as i get paid,what should be most important is getting paid,rules are meant to be broken so adjusting bounty rules is not a big deal
yeah youre right on that ,as long as we get paid on our bounty campaigns it doesnt matter what would be the final rule of the bounty manager . I will blame the bounty manager if i dont get my reward.
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August 28, 2019, 06:46:31 PM
#36
Who is to be blame
Call me a biased asshole, I dont care but I always blame the bounty hunters. They are the reason why bounties are surviving. We see some bottom feeder third world country person making multiple account to abuse the bounties and then the manager has to change some fine tuned rules to stop them. All this shitshow needs to stop and this forum needs to boycott any sort of bounty programs.

Both the bounty hunters and the managers need to be screened rigorously by the ICO team - which is rarely the case and the result is this forum getting spammed and social media filled with accounts which spam.

If there were no bounty hunters there would be no bounty campaigns. This is what needs to be done.
Knowing that twitter accounts can be purchased and even telegram bounties can be abused too which means this would really be a never ending story.Project owners believe that there are still some community support of this one because of these abusers.I know how badly you like to get rid of bounty programs but I would tell you this that this one will still remain as long this forum lives.3rd world countries will always try out their best shot to get up some tokens and earn some bitcoins on any possible sort of way even they do know that ICO's are becoming shitty nowadays.When it comes to changing of rules I do see that this is somewhat needed specially when it matters with abuse issue.The manager would always have the decision on what to do but it depends on what kind of manager he is because some doesn't care at all as long he do get paid.
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August 25, 2019, 11:33:37 AM
#35
You have absolute truth in what you have said, most hunter only go to the reward part of a campaign, and then check for what qualifies them before they start doing the campaign, and they never really read the rules and guidelines, so many of them actually do not read because they want to participate in many campaigns as much as possible, so they feel the time is too little for them to start reading that long guidelines which makes me to come down to managers.

Managers already knowing their weakness after under studying the industry should have also come up with a strategy where they will summarize the guideline and then bring the most vital part of it into summary, then anyone that which to read further can follow the link for the proper guideline.
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August 25, 2019, 05:32:34 AM
#34
it is the participants (bounty hunters) fault in my opinion because they should have known that they are participating in advertisement of something shady and will run away at some point in the future as it is the case with all of these fund raising operations that have no business to use the funds in.
i know it sucks to not get paid for the job you did but there isn't any room for complaining when the job was advertising for someone who was about to scam others with their garbage token.
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August 25, 2019, 04:59:04 AM
#33
Well its on the rules that anytime the bounty manager can change everything and bounty hunters couldnt do anything with that, if you dont want the rules then dont join.
Managers are not that arrogant that they would change rules in such a manner that every bounty hunter is going to be affected drastically. The blame likes on the hunters being abusive by creating alts to cheat campaigns and not following the rules in the first place. No manger likes to exclude members just because they didnt read the rules but sometimes they leave no choice and the manager has to take decisive steps to curb the abuse.

One sided thinking is not correct. Every bounty hunter who is reading this topic should think from the perspective of the bounty manager too. Only then can they understand the situation. But I doubt any of them actually have the intellect to do that. Roll Eyes
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August 24, 2019, 06:11:08 PM
#32
Well its on the rules that anytime the bounty manager can change everything and bounty hunters couldnt do anything with that, if you dont want the rules then dont join.
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August 24, 2019, 04:54:30 PM
#31
Of course, blame the BH itself
Many BH are LAZY to read the rules, that's why they don't receive stakes and reward

We can't blame the BM, he/she just do whatever the Project team want. You can blame the project team, because they always change the rules anytime they want without thinking is fair or not for BH especially when distribution moment... Angry
You may be right since i noticed most of them don't know what they were doing and some of them i've seen were spamming of what they think would be an easy job. Not all BM can be blame since they were just following orders from the development team if there are issues they have to change that's why they have the rights to change the rules if it is a valid reason.
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August 24, 2019, 05:29:34 AM
#30
Of course, blame the BH itself
Many BH are LAZY to read the rules, that's why they don't receive stakes and reward
dont accuse too early because the situation is still dependable  . sometimes its the fault of bh but sometimes managers do also make unwanted mistakes aside from them the owner of the project can sometimes to be blame here  . ive experience a campaign where the rules are correctly written and everyone including the bh and bm agrees with it but at the end the payments are short because the owner run out of funds  due to some financial issue's .
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August 24, 2019, 05:19:25 AM
#29
You know, you are also the one of those bounty hunters. Whether it's btc or altcoin campaign, if you are still joining on them, you are still bounty hunter.
Even if I am I make sure to follow the rules of the forum and take pride in making posts that are worth reading for any person of this forum being substantial in most cases. On the contrary altcoin bounty campaigns are nothing but spamfests by some bottomfeeder country people. I am sure you would also agree to my point here. We have kids looking for new bounties everyday and they fail to realize the essence of the bounty - added on top are the scam projects who try to rip off their participants or force a KYC on them.

Maybe the problem lies on both ends, but I still blame the bounty hunters being too much obsessed with earning shittokens which fuels this system.
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August 24, 2019, 12:12:56 AM
#28
Of course, blame the BH itself
Many BH are LAZY to read the rules, that's why they don't receive stakes and reward

We can't blame the BM, he/she just do whatever the Project team want. You can blame the project team, because they always change the rules anytime they want without thinking is fair or not for BH especially when distribution moment... Angry
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August 23, 2019, 06:37:31 PM
#27

If there were no bounty hunters there would be no bounty campaigns. This is what needs to be done.
You know, you are also the one of those bounty hunters. Whether it's btc or altcoin campaign, if you are still joining on them, you are still bounty hunter. But i do agree with your other post to not join in any of altcoin bounty, so they will stop paying their bounty hunters with their shit tokens.
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August 23, 2019, 05:47:26 PM
#26
The complainant the one to blame himself.

If it's indicated at the start of the bounty that any changes can be applied by the manager or the project developers, they all have the right to do so.
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August 23, 2019, 05:18:32 PM
#25
What are we blaming based on? Yeah it's true that bounty rules can change  at anytime but sometimes the mistakes do come from BMs and that's why they have support channels to address issues. Not all bounty issues are rule changes, sometimes mistakes do happen.
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August 23, 2019, 05:05:35 PM
#24
Back to rules, if there was a rules which BM can change the rules anytime they want, you can't do anything, even if they changing the rules after bounty ended.
If there wasn't any rules but they changing it in the end of bounty, BM should be the one got blamed by BH.
It should be clarified out because not all BM decisions are just being made by themselves because majority of orders would depend on the project team instead.
Knowing that these managers are just workers too on community handling.They do have the power to change things but it should be on a proper way on the sense that
it doesnt hard any of its bounty hunters but if anything goes opposite then theres no one to be blamed of but the BM.
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August 23, 2019, 11:55:33 AM
#23
if it is written in the first thread then we cannot blame anyone but the problem is that from the beginning there were many bounties that gave rewaards using percentages so even though the results were a little over the time it exceeded the minimum target or what we usually call softcap then bounty hunters still have to get a percentage according to what was written, whatever that is, because the percentage doesn't care about the total amount
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August 23, 2019, 11:45:00 AM
#22
In every bounty campaign you will read message like this...

he Bounty Manager and the Team reserve their right to make changes to the terms at any moment.
So changes in any campaigns will be legal as stated already.

Bounty managers are paid to manage the campaigns promoting the project and the final decision will be made by the team.
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August 23, 2019, 11:41:15 AM
#21
before that happens, of course the prize manager has done the procedure according to the rules of the project developer and if in the middle of the project there is a change in the procedure it is not the prize manager's fault or the developer's fault. because every change they make has a certain reason, but I'm sure if the developer changes the rules it might be the best way so that their project doesn't stop.
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August 23, 2019, 10:35:25 AM
#20
Bounty hunters still think that its hard to read and they care less about guidelines and go for the gorgeous bounty allotment,it would be ideal if you have persistence and experience principles and guidelines,most occasions its not generally the bounty managers flaw.

Before you begin grumbling that bounty managers change bounty runs after bounty finished do you perused the bounty standards and guidelines?

Numerous bounties have as of now says it all in their standards and guidelines that BM can change the rules anytime so bounty hunters should realize that changes can occur anytime aswell,the single direction to maintain a strategic distance from this is if there is no such runs on the bounty string.

Who is to be blame?? Huh Huh Huh
It was on the rules before BH joined. " Rules may change " and BH need to follow it. Since BH joined , BH understood the rules that's why BH joined, Bounty Managers have been dealing a lot of things, checking, accepting participants, checking shady participants, alt accounts, Checking reports and yet Bounty Hunters have the guts to complain about changing of rules? No one forced them to join the campaign at the first place. I tried to be a Bounty Manager before and it will take a lot of time , talking to clients and meeting the desired outcome on what clients wanted, later on, I declined.

Most of the time its bounty managers fault,i can made mention bounty managers that never go back on their words,once they make rules for a particular bounty they will never change the rules,bounty managers like bubbalex and Arteezy always stand on their words,many bounty managers change rules to cheat bounty participants most times
So changing rules= cheat bounty participants? this is ain't it. As far as i know, Changing rules have been the best weapon of Bounty Managers to manage participants, some of them are stup/i/d , not reading the rules, the formatting of reports etc. Let's accept the fact that some of the participants are shady and st/u/p/id.
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August 23, 2019, 09:36:11 AM
#19
Most of the time its bounty managers fault,i can made mention bounty managers that never go back on their words,once they make rules for a particular bounty they will never change the rules,bounty managers like bubbalex and Arteezy always stand on their words,many bounty managers change rules to cheat bounty participants most times
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August 23, 2019, 09:29:55 AM
#18
Who is to be blame
Call me a biased asshole, I dont care but I always blame the bounty hunters. They are the reason why bounties are surviving. We see some bottom feeder third world country person making multiple account to abuse the bounties and then the manager has to change some fine tuned rules to stop them. All this shitshow needs to stop and this forum needs to boycott any sort of bounty programs.

Both the bounty hunters and the managers need to be screened rigorously by the ICO team - which is rarely the case and the result is this forum getting spammed and social media filled with accounts which spam.

If there were no bounty hunters there would be no bounty campaigns. This is what needs to be done.
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August 23, 2019, 09:11:42 AM
#17
Are you talking about bounty managers of some ICO token or the other, if you are, then I fully understand. Because all the BTC campaign managers I've come across do a good job and are true to their words.

Both ICO bounty managers and hunters(in most circumstances)are to blame, the managers make rules and reserve the rights to change them anytime, and that's wrong, there should be a fixed amount to be paid to hunters that should be unalterable.
Because they could see the direction(not so good)the project is heading and reduce the amount of tokens they ought to distribute, forgetting the hunters kept their own part of the deal by completing their posts.

Also the managers should take their time to select good posters for their project to promote it in the right way.
Also the hunters should abstain from spamming low quality post, just to make sure they meet maximum payout.
If everyone would do their job fine, then there would be no issues at all, and the forum would also benefit with less level of spam.
hero member
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August 23, 2019, 09:04:35 AM
#16
Everyone has a different opinion on this issue. I think we don't have to complain about the rules that often have changed. Better we must remain respectful of the Bounty manager's decision. And more importantly, I think that the manager can work well and they can produce a successful project.

Before you join the project it is better to understand the rules they make. And for now, it is very natural when the manager changes the rules when the project is finished.

I agree with you, in most cases bounty managers leaves a caveat that the bounty rules could be adjusted or changed anytime. This caveat exonerates them from any future obligation which may arise from the adjustments made on the bounty. Its best for bounty hunters to be more informed  on the bounty rules by frequently visiting the thread.
We are also giving consideration that BM isn't the full control of the campaign, he is still under the control of the developers and the team behind the project. What they tried to impose and even it will change the rules as first stated, it can still be changed. Though sometimes isn't fair to everyone, but have to respect them, we have an option either to keep it or leave.

So as Bounty Hunter, we should be careful in participating campaign and not be confident enough to every project we've been a part off cause we can't tell that it will succeed or not.
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August 23, 2019, 09:02:01 AM
#15
Either rules get changed before or after bounty starts shouldnt be what bounty hunters should be complaining about,it doesnt matter to me as far as i get paid,what should be most important is getting paid,rules are meant to be broken so adjusting bounty rules is not a big deal
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August 23, 2019, 08:37:48 AM
#14
Everyone has a different opinion on this issue. I think we don't have to complain about the rules that often have changed. Better we must remain respectful of the Bounty manager's decision. And more importantly, I think that the manager can work well and they can produce a successful project.

Before you join the project it is better to understand the rules they make. And for now, it is very natural when the manager changes the rules when the project is finished.

I agree with you, in most cases bounty managers leaves a caveat that the bounty rules could be adjusted or changed anytime. This caveat exonerates them from any future obligation which may arise from the adjustments made on the bounty. Its best for bounty hunters to be more informed  on the bounty rules by frequently visiting the thread.
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Decentralized Ascending Auctions on Blockchain
August 23, 2019, 08:29:30 AM
#13
Everyone has a different opinion on this issue. I think we don't have to complain about the rules that often have changed. Better we must remain respectful of the Bounty manager's decision. And more importantly, I think that the manager can work well and they can produce a successful project.

Before you join the project it is better to understand the rules they make. And for now, it is very natural when the manager changes the rules when the project is finished.
hero member
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August 23, 2019, 08:23:39 AM
#12
Bounty hunters still think that its hard to read and they care less about guidelines and go for the gorgeous bounty allotment,it would be ideal if you have persistence and experience principles and guidelines,most occasions its not generally the bounty managers flaw.

Before you begin grumbling that bounty managers change bounty runs after bounty finished do you perused the bounty standards and guidelines?

Numerous bounties have as of now says it all in their standards and guidelines that BM can change the rules anytime so bounty hunters should realize that changes can occur anytime aswell,the single direction to maintain a strategic distance from this is if there is no such runs on the bounty string.

Who is to be blame?? Huh Huh Huh

We bounty hunters should get used to it, bounty managers can change the rules on many factors, like market condition, the outcome of the promotion and development of the project, I have never seen a bounty campaign that does not stipulate this on all their bounty campaign, if you do not agree better leave the campaign.
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August 23, 2019, 08:15:44 AM
#11
Due to the fact that the bounty manager could change the rules while the bounty is ongoing and its possible the bounty hunters doesn't know when the rules are changed we can say that they are both at fault. I believe the bounty hunters should be more diligent in dispensation of the task and try to go through the bounty rules periodically, so as to know when adjustments are being made and readjust their progress.
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August 23, 2019, 08:03:20 AM
#10
I don't think anyone is to blame because we don't really know, who is BM's face? Who is BH's face? We are in an anonymous world and there is absolutely no guarantee with your decision. the most important thing is that you have to believe in yourself that you think it's the right decision. honestly until now I did not trust anyone, I only believed in my decision. I want to share the story that before I make a decision, I always spend a lot of time studying crypto in a number of available sources, every day I always learn things that I don't know yet on the google site ... well, if someone has experienced an error it will teach you important experiences for the next day. The point is that before participating in any project, you must be very careful and look in detail at the project you want to participate in.
legendary
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August 23, 2019, 07:57:02 AM
#9
Both.
Bounty managers should also know the history of the project. But it doesnt mean they will know the future of it. So that is where the risk comes in from joining it.
That is also why they are using stakes. If ever they lower the alloted number of tokens then it will still be safe.

Bounty hunters. Mostly now are just picking with eyes blind folded. It will justbe a waste of time and effort but they dont mind. So there is no one to blame.
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August 23, 2019, 07:53:20 AM
#8
Careful reading is important before come to paticipated a gift program. and most rules state that BM can change the rules at any time, we as participants cannot do anything. therefore joining a bounty telegram is important to know any changes that occur in bounty program.
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August 23, 2019, 07:46:04 AM
#7
In every bounty campaign, there must be a general rule that must be read before participating in a bounty. Usually there is a "Bounty manager & the Project team can change the rules at any time".

If the rules are changed fair, everyone will understand that. What I'm still confused about is the allocation cut, does that include changes to the rules?
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August 23, 2019, 07:33:51 AM
#6
Rules and regulations is very important for every bounty hunters,its what will decide if you will promote the project or not,ive turned away from some bounty projects because of the rules of the bounty projects,some rules are really unfair for me and i always walk away from bounties that have rules that can still be adjust by bounty managers.
hero member
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August 23, 2019, 07:31:54 AM
#6
basically not the fault of bm, mostly this is a request from the project team that asks for changes to the rules inevitably bm usually follow their wishes from here, maybe hunters feel if bm is wrong, but in my opinion, not and as long as the request is not heavy I think it's good to keep doing if it's heavy maybe the hunter can make accusations for the project who held bounties
copper member
Activity: 448
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August 23, 2019, 07:07:22 AM
#5
It's always important to read rules and guidelines. Some bounty participants don't follow rules for weekly submission or posting instructions by BM, at the end, they tend to blame the BM for not awarding them stakes. For a better guide I weekly read bounty rules.
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August 23, 2019, 06:50:42 AM
#4
This is a moot point. The point of view of lawyers is the point that the rule change is left to prevent them from being held accountable. Since written and fixed arrangements are valid. Let's say the project is deceiving hunters. Hunters can sue based on the work done.


It is easy to prove legally. The task of the manager is to check the work. The task of the hunter to do the work. And the task of administering the project on time to pay for the work. I think it’s not the managers who are guilty, but the project team that sets the conditions and constantly change the terms of payments. I think when the community of hunters is able to sue and win the case. Grin
legendary
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August 23, 2019, 06:47:15 AM
#3
Back to rules, if there was a rules which BM can change the rules anytime they want, you can't do anything, even if they changing the rules after bounty ended.
If there wasn't any rules but they changing it in the end of bounty, BM should be the one got blamed by BH.
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"In CryptoEnergy we trust"
August 23, 2019, 06:43:35 AM
#2
Before anything, rules has been stated already on the first page of the bounty campaigns, i think everybody knows that and read that also, its just that we could not prevent some adjustments especially when the team or the developers itself may change the rules, and it could not be prevented because its somehow happening based on my experience, i think we must adjust since we are all bounty hunters and or bounty managers, we just have to be adoptive i think.
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August 23, 2019, 03:25:11 AM
#1
Bounty hunters still think that its hard to read and they care less about guidelines and go for the gorgeous bounty allotment,it would be ideal if you have persistence and experience principles and guidelines,most occasions its not generally the bounty managers flaw.

Before you begin grumbling that bounty managers change bounty runs after bounty finished do you perused the bounty standards and guidelines?

Numerous bounties have as of now says it all in their standards and guidelines that BM can change the rules anytime so bounty hunters should realize that changes can occur anytime aswell,the single direction to maintain a strategic distance from this is if there is no such runs on the bounty string.

Who is to be blame?? Huh Huh Huh
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