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Topic: Who Satoshi is, Who Nick Szabo is, Who Wei Dai is, and What John Nash Did (Read 3036 times)
May 28, 2014, 12:40:53 AM
May 27, 2014, 10:18:48 PM
Do you think you have a base to identify Satoshi with Nash (as far as everyone, but you, knows, Nash don't know nothing about networks and programming and in 2009 was 81 years old) just because of some reddles with their names or because Satoshi just read Nash study and was inspired by it?
But are you also saying that Nash is Nick Szabo? Szabo is an identified person, with a degree and activity on the University of Washington, with an email from the university (nszabo&law.gwu.edu) that gave a lecture on July 6, 2004, on San Diego, California: http://szabo.best.vwh.net He isn't 86 years old...
Just leave Satoshi alone, he has a right to privacy.
But are you also saying that Nash is Nick Szabo? Szabo is an identified person, with a degree and activity on the University of Washington, with an email from the university (nszabo&law.gwu.edu) that gave a lecture on July 6, 2004, on San Diego, California: http://szabo.best.vwh.net He isn't 86 years old...
Just leave Satoshi alone, he has a right to privacy.
May 27, 2014, 02:33:38 PM
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Holy shit, he uses the same font as Satoshi.
Is this true because I feel like that should seal the deal
http://sites.stat.psu.edu/~babu/nash/money.pdf
https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
May 27, 2014, 02:20:58 PM
Here is some comments from someone who is educated enough on the subject.
Lets just get this over with today....
Lets just get this over with today....
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John Forbes Nash Jr. the genius in "A Beautiful Mind" released a paper years ago with a proposal for "Ideal Money", a fundamentally sound monetary platform... but something was missing.
Years later, in 2009, someone named Satoshi Nakamoto releases a white paper outlining a revolutionary new monetary protocol and fits John Nash's description of ideal money.
I'm trying to connect-the-dots and it all seems to make sense now. Bitcoin is the product of a Nobel prize winning genius. The times are tumultuous now, but it's becoming ever growing and ever expansive in the last year.
If Bitcoin isn't a new paradigm in money, I don't know what is. The efforts of thinkers and revolutionaries before would have gone to waste. The protocol that is Bitcoin is going to breathe life into the internet in ways we've never thought before.
John Nash is Satoshi.
Boom goes the dynamite
Years later, in 2009, someone named Satoshi Nakamoto releases a white paper outlining a revolutionary new monetary protocol and fits John Nash's description of ideal money.
I'm trying to connect-the-dots and it all seems to make sense now. Bitcoin is the product of a Nobel prize winning genius. The times are tumultuous now, but it's becoming ever growing and ever expansive in the last year.
If Bitcoin isn't a new paradigm in money, I don't know what is. The efforts of thinkers and revolutionaries before would have gone to waste. The protocol that is Bitcoin is going to breathe life into the internet in ways we've never thought before.
John Nash is Satoshi.
Boom goes the dynamite
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I've read your findings and I'm convinced it's him. His writing style, the computers at his disposal in his faculty (Early Bitcoin mining) and his geographic location all match up with the facts we know about the real Satoshi, among other parallels.
Time will only tell when he'll come out from behind his false identities and tell the world Bitcoin is his invention.
Time will only tell when he'll come out from behind his false identities and tell the world Bitcoin is his invention.
May 27, 2014, 01:38:41 PM
He proposed that international exchange rates be fixed by pegging the value of each currency to a standardized basket of commodities, called the industrial consumption price index.
How could the banks rob us with fractional banking if this happend?!?!?
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The special commodity or medium that we call money has a long and interesting history.
And since we are so dependent on our use of it and so much controlled and motivated by the
wish to have more of it or not to lose what we have we may become irrational in thinking
about it and fail to be able to reason about it like about a technology, such as radio, to be
used more or less efficiently.
And since we are so dependent on our use of it and so much controlled and motivated by the
wish to have more of it or not to lose what we have we may become irrational in thinking
about it and fail to be able to reason about it like about a technology, such as radio, to be
used more or less efficiently.
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The paper called “Ideal Money” that was recently published in the Southern Economic
Journal presented a possible conventional basis for money of “ideal” type. This variety of
money would be intrinsically free of “inflationary decadence” similarly to how money would
be free from that on a true “gold standard”, but the proposed basis for that was not the
proposal of a linkage to gold
Journal presented a possible conventional basis for money of “ideal” type. This variety of
money would be intrinsically free of “inflationary decadence” similarly to how money would
be free from that on a true “gold standard”, but the proposed basis for that was not the
proposal of a linkage to gold
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The constitutional structure of the authority behind the euro is of the “paper money” character
in that nothing is really guaranteed as far as the value of the euro is concerned. But this is
typical of all currencies used in the world nowadays.
in that nothing is really guaranteed as far as the value of the euro is concerned. But this is
typical of all currencies used in the world nowadays.
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The Keynesians implicitly always have the argument that some good managers can do
things of beneficial value, operating with the treasury and the central bank, and that it is
not needed or appropriate for the citizenry or the “customers” of the currency supplied by
the state to actually understand
things of beneficial value, operating with the treasury and the central bank, and that it is
not needed or appropriate for the citizenry or the “customers” of the currency supplied by
the state to actually understand
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And this parallel makes it seem not implausible that a process of political evolution might lead to the expectation on the
part of citizens in the “great democracies” that they should be better situated to be able
to understand whatever will be the monetary policies which, indeed, are typically of great
importance to citizens who may have alternative options for where to place their “savings”.
part of citizens in the “great democracies” that they should be better situated to be able
to understand whatever will be the monetary policies which, indeed, are typically of great
importance to citizens who may have alternative options for where to place their “savings”.
May 27, 2014, 01:23:05 PM
He proposed that international exchange rates be fixed by pegging the value of each currency to a standardized basket of commodities, called the industrial consumption price index.
How could the banks rob us with fractional banking if this happend?!?!?
May 27, 2014, 12:50:38 PM
He proposed that international exchange rates be fixed by pegging the value of each currency to a standardized basket of commodities, called the industrial consumption price index.
No he didn't, you are reading someone interpretation of ideal money that is not correct, and in fact a red herring. Thomas edison did what you are saying and i showed the link that shows it. You didn't read anything i posted did you? I have read all the links many many times, all nash's works, and as many versions of ideal money as I can. There are about 14 of them, each with different wording talking about different past histories of many and different current economic climates around the world.lets stop judging with ignorance from a far, and take a moment to use our eyes and our brains http://sites.stat.psu.edu/~babu/nash/money.pdf
READ IT, don't pre judge.
Loled, I have no clue what the OP post is about..
Another "I found Satoshi" post.
let's not be ignorant just because we were raised that way, read the paper http://sites.stat.psu.edu/~babu/nash/money.pdf Its 'another satoshi' post. It is the VERY reason we couldn't find satoshi, and the very man who satoshi is, and who created and implemented this technological hyper-advancement of our civilization.You want to skip all the links and proof and then go straight to ridicule, good for you...man suffers from his (not her) own ignorance...live in it.
May 27, 2014, 09:37:38 AM
OP ignored for display of blatant stupidity combined with attention-whoring shitty thread-title.
Most likely misinformation posted by government agent.
Most likely misinformation posted by government agent.
Loled, I have no clue what the OP post is about..
Another "I found Satoshi" post.
May 27, 2014, 09:34:55 AM
OP ignored for display of blatant stupidity combined with attention-whoring shitty thread-title.
Most likely misinformation posted by government agent.
Most likely misinformation posted by government agent.
Loled, I have no clue what the OP post is about..
May 27, 2014, 07:25:31 AM
OP ignored for display of blatant stupidity combined with attention-whoring shitty thread-title.
Most likely misinformation posted by government agent.
Most likely misinformation posted by government agent.
May 27, 2014, 07:04:28 AM
Umberto Eco, Foucault’s Pendulum:
"Gentlemen," he said, "I invite you to go and measure that kiosk. You will see that the length of the counter is one hundred and forty-nine centimeters-in other words, one hundred-billionth of the distance between the earth and the sun. The height at the rear, one hundred and seventy-six centimeters, divided by the width of the window, fifty-six centimeters, is 3.14. The height at the front is nineteen decimeters, equal, in other words, to the number of years of the Greek lunar cycle. The sum of the heights of the two front corners and the two rear corners is one hundred and ninety times two plus one hundred and seventy-six times two, which equals seven hundred and thirty-two, the date of the victory at Poitiers. The thickness of the counter is 3.10 centimeters, and the width of the cornice of the window is 8.8 centimeters. Replacing the numbers before the decimals by the corresponding letters of the alphabet, we obtain C for ten and H for eight, or C10H8, which is the formula for naphthalene."
"Fantastic," I said. "You did all these measurements?"
"No," Aglie said. "They were done on another kiosk, by a certain Jean-Pierre Adam. But I would assume that all lottery kiosks have more or less the same dimensions. With numbers you can do anything you like. Suppose I have the sacred number 9 and I want to get the number 1314, date of the execution of Jacques de Molay-a date dear to anyone who, like me, professes devotion to the Templar tradition of knighthood. What do I do? I multiply nine by one hundred and forty-six, the fateful day of the destruction of Carthage. How did I arrive at this? I divided thirteen hundred and fourteen by two, by three, et cetera, until I found a satisfying date. I could also have divided thirteen hundred and fourteen by 6.28, the double of 3.14, and I would have got two hundred and nine. That is the year in which Attalus I, king of Pergamon, joined the anti-Macedonian League. You see?"
"Then you don’t believe in numerologies of any kind," Diotallevi said, disappointed.
PDF: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/acharya/Inputs/Books/Foucault’s%20Pendulum.pdf
"Gentlemen," he said, "I invite you to go and measure that kiosk. You will see that the length of the counter is one hundred and forty-nine centimeters-in other words, one hundred-billionth of the distance between the earth and the sun. The height at the rear, one hundred and seventy-six centimeters, divided by the width of the window, fifty-six centimeters, is 3.14. The height at the front is nineteen decimeters, equal, in other words, to the number of years of the Greek lunar cycle. The sum of the heights of the two front corners and the two rear corners is one hundred and ninety times two plus one hundred and seventy-six times two, which equals seven hundred and thirty-two, the date of the victory at Poitiers. The thickness of the counter is 3.10 centimeters, and the width of the cornice of the window is 8.8 centimeters. Replacing the numbers before the decimals by the corresponding letters of the alphabet, we obtain C for ten and H for eight, or C10H8, which is the formula for naphthalene."
"Fantastic," I said. "You did all these measurements?"
"No," Aglie said. "They were done on another kiosk, by a certain Jean-Pierre Adam. But I would assume that all lottery kiosks have more or less the same dimensions. With numbers you can do anything you like. Suppose I have the sacred number 9 and I want to get the number 1314, date of the execution of Jacques de Molay-a date dear to anyone who, like me, professes devotion to the Templar tradition of knighthood. What do I do? I multiply nine by one hundred and forty-six, the fateful day of the destruction of Carthage. How did I arrive at this? I divided thirteen hundred and fourteen by two, by three, et cetera, until I found a satisfying date. I could also have divided thirteen hundred and fourteen by 6.28, the double of 3.14, and I would have got two hundred and nine. That is the year in which Attalus I, king of Pergamon, joined the anti-Macedonian League. You see?"
"Then you don’t believe in numerologies of any kind," Diotallevi said, disappointed.
PDF: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/acharya/Inputs/Books/Foucault’s%20Pendulum.pdf
May 27, 2014, 05:29:08 AM
My assumption is, if he didn't want us to eventually figure it out, then he wouldn't have left all the bread crumbs (obviously some people around here will try to brush this aside). For those of you who don't know anything about this man, or only saw the hollywood movie, I can tell you I have read his works many times (other than the whole szabo blog), and John Nash IS all these men then entire works of them all is the body of the thesis/outline lecture ideal money http://sites.stat.psu.edu/~babu/nash/money.pdf. When this hits the media and the academics bitcoins adoption and use is going to hit its tipping point, IT HAS TOO HE REWROTE OUR SOCIETY! It will be the biggest story known to man.
http://lesswrong.com/user/Wei_Dai/overview/ Quote: "Since Pinyin is a many to one mapping, and as a result most Chinese articles about Bitcoin put the wrong name down for me, I'll take this opportunity to mention that my name is written logographically as 戴维." google translate: https://translate.google.ca/#zh-CN/e...88%B4%E7%BB%B4wei dai = david
SAtosHi Nakamoto, wei dai, nick szabo same person, same nash. Each name has a key so the probability of it being coincidence is next to nil especially between 3 names.
(szabo on money http://unenumerated.blogspot.ca/2008...-overview.html, http://szabo.best.vwh.net/shell.html)
Nash sees "...there is some negative psychology about gold"
Satoshi changes the name to bitCOIN? And doesn't quote szabo but wei http://www.weidai.com/bmoney.txt
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Wei Dai (cited in https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf) = WI idea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_Idea
"The Wisconsin Idea is the political policy developed in the American state of Wisconsin that fosters public universities' contributions to the state: "to the government in the forms of serving in office, offering advice about public policy, providing information and exercising technical skill, and to the citizens in the forms of doing research directed at solving problems that are important to the state and conducting outreach activities."[1] A second facet of the philosophy is the effort "to ensure well-constructed legislation aimed at benefiting the greatest number of people."[2] During the Progressive Era, proponents of the Wisconsin Idea saw the state as "the laboratory for democracy", resulting in legislation that served as a model for other states and the federal government.[2]
The Wisconsin Idea is a philosophy embraced by the University of Wisconsin System, which holds that research conducted at the University of Wisconsin System should be applied to solve problems and improve health, quality of life, the environment and agriculture for all citizens of the state. This Progressive-era policy applied the expertise of the state's university to social legislation that benefited all the state's citizens; it led to classic programs such as regulation of utilities, workers' compensation, tax reform, and university extension services; sometimes expressed in the maxim that "the boundaries of the university are the boundaries of the state."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_Idea
"The Wisconsin Idea is the political policy developed in the American state of Wisconsin that fosters public universities' contributions to the state: "to the government in the forms of serving in office, offering advice about public policy, providing information and exercising technical skill, and to the citizens in the forms of doing research directed at solving problems that are important to the state and conducting outreach activities."[1] A second facet of the philosophy is the effort "to ensure well-constructed legislation aimed at benefiting the greatest number of people."[2] During the Progressive Era, proponents of the Wisconsin Idea saw the state as "the laboratory for democracy", resulting in legislation that served as a model for other states and the federal government.[2]
The Wisconsin Idea is a philosophy embraced by the University of Wisconsin System, which holds that research conducted at the University of Wisconsin System should be applied to solve problems and improve health, quality of life, the environment and agriculture for all citizens of the state. This Progressive-era policy applied the expertise of the state's university to social legislation that benefited all the state's citizens; it led to classic programs such as regulation of utilities, workers' compensation, tax reform, and university extension services; sometimes expressed in the maxim that "the boundaries of the university are the boundaries of the state."
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http://lesswrong.com/user/Wei_Dai/overview/ Quote: "Since Pinyin is a many to one mapping, and as a result most Chinese articles about Bitcoin put the wrong name down for me, I'll take this opportunity to mention that my name is written logographically as 戴维." google translate: https://translate.google.ca/#zh-CN/e...88%B4%E7%BB%B4
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David Ward
http://www.news.wisc.edu/packages/wardlegacy/facts.html
7.5 Total number of years Ward will have led UW-Madison, which is the longest tenure of any current leader of a Big 10 university.
Ward in 1995 delivered a "Vision for the Future," a strategic plan that laid the groundwork for dialogue and priority-setting in the learning experience, research and other important areas.
The WI idea is completely inline with the collective works of nick szabo.http://www.news.wisc.edu/packages/wardlegacy/facts.html
7.5 Total number of years Ward will have led UW-Madison, which is the longest tenure of any current leader of a Big 10 university.
Ward in 1995 delivered a "Vision for the Future," a strategic plan that laid the groundwork for dialogue and priority-setting in the learning experience, research and other important areas.
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Nicholas J. Szabo = nash sajo icl baz
Borsod-Abaúj-Zemplén: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borsod-...%C3%A9n_County
Sajo river: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saj%C3%B3 "In Hungary it flows through the county of Borsod-Abaúj-Zemplén."
ICL = international constitutional law http://people.ceu.hu/andras_sajo
Andras Sajo is referenced many times in papers such as this: http://www.lachmayer.eu/wp-content/u...Comparison.pdf
Borsod-Abaúj-Zemplén: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borsod-...%C3%A9n_County
Sajo river: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saj%C3%B3 "In Hungary it flows through the county of Borsod-Abaúj-Zemplén."
ICL = international constitutional law http://people.ceu.hu/andras_sajo
Andras Sajo is referenced many times in papers such as this: http://www.lachmayer.eu/wp-content/u...Comparison.pdf
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Satoshi nakamoto = i am nash sato koto sato = most common japanese name (john) koto = japan national instrument
SAtosHi Nakamoto, wei dai, nick szabo same person, same nash. Each name has a key so the probability of it being coincidence is next to nil especially between 3 names.
(szabo on money http://unenumerated.blogspot.ca/2008...-overview.html, http://szabo.best.vwh.net/shell.html)
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(nash)ideal money: Nowadays however few would propose a return to the actual use of simply the metal gold as a standard, for the following reason i. the cost of mining gold effectively does depend on the technology. .....the unpredictability of the cost is a negative factor ii. the location of potential gold-mining locations may not be "politically appealing," so it would seem undesirable to make a political choice to enhance the economic importance of those particular areas iii There is some negative psychology about gold...
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But, a modern alternative is possible, one that would provide a good standard independent of state pardoners. This idea occurred to me fairly recently."
Szabo creates 'bitgold' http://unenumerated.blogspot.ca/2005/12/bit-gold.html
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But, a modern alternative is possible, one that would provide a good standard independent of state pardoners. This idea occurred to me fairly recently."
Szabo creates 'bitgold' http://unenumerated.blogspot.ca/2005/12/bit-gold.html
Nash sees "...there is some negative psychology about gold"
Satoshi changes the name to bitCOIN? And doesn't quote szabo but wei http://www.weidai.com/bmoney.txt
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http://blog.up.co/2014/02/11/bitcoin...thomas-edison/ http://www.bloombergview.com/article...onetary-policy
Edison: Responding to Ford’s plan, Edison searched for new ways to stabilize the dollar, the value of which had fluctuated widely during World War I and its aftermath. His goal was to “cast the variable out of money.” Distrusting bankers -- the “money brokers,” he called them -- and a monetary policy based solely on gold, Edison called for a system that used a variety of other commodities as backing for the nation’s paper money supply. (He would have eliminated gold entirely, but he knew that switch- over costs and international economic ties required retaining it, at least temporarily.)
Edison: Responding to Ford’s plan, Edison searched for new ways to stabilize the dollar, the value of which had fluctuated widely during World War I and its aftermath. His goal was to “cast the variable out of money.” Distrusting bankers -- the “money brokers,” he called them -- and a monetary policy based solely on gold, Edison called for a system that used a variety of other commodities as backing for the nation’s paper money supply. (He would have eliminated gold entirely, but he knew that switch- over costs and international economic ties required retaining it, at least temporarily.)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideal_money
Ideal Money is a theoretical notion promogulated by John Nash, to stabilize international currencies. It is a solution to the Triffin dilemma.
"He proposed that international exchange rates be fixed by pegging the value of each currency to a standardized basket of commodities, called the industrial consumption price index. Such a policy would curtail the ability of central banks to make monetary policy."
Ideal Money is a theoretical notion promogulated by John Nash, to stabilize international currencies. It is a solution to the Triffin dilemma.
"He proposed that international exchange rates be fixed by pegging the value of each currency to a standardized basket of commodities, called the industrial consumption price index. Such a policy would curtail the ability of central banks to make monetary policy."
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http://unenumerated.blogspot.ca/2008...-overview.html
Szabo: We may be seeing only the first stages of a switch from floating currencies, which may be proving to be unworkable, to commodity-backed currencies.
Szabo: We may be seeing only the first stages of a switch from floating currencies, which may be proving to be unworkable, to commodity-backed currencies.
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