Topic: Who will lose in Ukraine? (Read 285 times)

Op already Ukraine is losing for the fight and their is no two ways about it, and is not something you will use microscope to look at before you know that Ukraine important functioning blocks has being destroy by Russian, but properties is not surely counted for lost if really what they want come to their favor

So only Putin is the only one responsible here? I do not support Putin's actions either that doesn't mean I will only accuse him blindly of starting the war. Why he started the war? A country invades another country either for greed or out of fear. Which emotions does Putin face?


Russia did but NATO didn't. Ukraine's president asks NATO to declare Ukraine a no-fly zone too and if NATO does that there will be a direct conflict between Russian and NATO air forces. Russia declared Ukraine no-fly zone means the Russian air force can only fly in Ukraine air space and will have the right to shoot down or force-land any aircraft they want. If NATO does the same then just think what will happens there.

Russia declared Ukraine a no fly zone a long time ago
https://www.flightradar24.com/31.1,70.95/3 Why is there so much air trafic to west africa?

Putin started this war. Check your root cause analysis, lol.

They are saying they will take no part in the war but at the same time, they are supplying Ukraine with weapons. Not only both countries but also the whole EU's resources will be depleted because of the war. Other NATO members are also providing help to Ukraine and even many countries are thinking about sending peacekeeping missions to Ukraine with will lead to a direct conflict between NATO and Russia.

If NATO really sent a peacekeeping force or declare Ukraine air space as a no-fly zone then Europe will be responsible for another world war.

Imposed severe financial sanctions on Russia, which will ultimately affect all parties, sent money and military aid, and provoked Putin. Don't get me wrong, I condemn the invasion of Ukraine, however, I believe that the rest of Europe shouldn't have intervened, since NATO and EU recently announced that it's an issue that Ukraine will have to resolve themselves. Why did they intervened in the first place?

Yes, as they have demanded, they will be independent states. It's the peoples choice so it will be. Some outsider (Zelinski) has no say in the matter.
I decide who lives (or goes in and out) in my side of the detached house and not the neighbor on the other side.



Oh, and as to who is loosing
https://youtu.be/6AcFx5i7Ngs
Chinese reporter https://youtu.be/wlA9a4Lczxw

Its over
https://twitter.com/i/status/1504140455302217734

Take your medication and take a nap. Kherson will be recaptured in about a week.

Peace will be achieved when all Russian soldiers in Ukraine will be killed or captured.
Crimea, Donbas, and Luhansk will be freed from Russian occupants.

Pro-Putin Russians in Crimea are already fleeing, they are dumping real-estate at 50-80% discount. Check out Simferopol for sale real estate.
All occupied regions will be cleared from seditious, anti-Ukrainian groups.

it stands firm behind a corrupt political elite

that surpresses autonomy movements while couped itself onesidedly violently into power in the 2014 coup


secondly mr. put-in is more important than a jewish comedian that from a religious context

thirdly: Capitalism doesn't work well for christians with Jewish Comedians in Power Putin has to do the Dirty work for all.

The Wests blind support for Jews no matter how corrupt is escalating the war, as they continue to take Zelinski serious.

and fourth Point:

The EU is not a European Institution its filled with Western Outlandish Western Europeans, and Transatlantic Western Imperialists,

if it would have been European, it would have Taken mr. put-in serious when he repeated over 8 years over Genocide in the Donbass.

The Truly European EU Diplomats would have demanded from Zelinski to give Autonomy to the Donbass, since they didn't wanted a Jewish Comedian as Leader.

the way to peace is:

1. Acknowledging the Genocide in Donbass
2. Making Ukraine Politically and Economically Neutral,
3. Starting the Reconciliation process based on the crimes of the past.
4. restore religious and spiritual life in ukraine (muslim christian jewish)

5. and never ever put a jewish comedian into power again (especially not in states with conflicting and surpressed groups). its not funny, its dangerous.
6. make the EU truly Europan and remove Transatlantic Outlanders, so something like this doesn't happen again.
7. restore economic and cultural ties with russia, russia is becoming more dangerous and religious if its not connected with the west.
if a war with russia would happen it could become a big afghanistan

8. remove the stupid democrats from power in the usa they create only chaos in the world, syria, afghanistanand Lybia where made islamist republics by the USA

What did NATO do to escalate the situation?

NATO unnecessarily escalated the situation and then fled the scene, claiming that they'll take no part in the war, after creating absolute chaos. War sucks for both sides, both countries' resources will be depleted and their citizens devastated, leading to a financial depression throughout the whole European continent. People are always the true victims of war.

This is the only correct answer.

I see the sentiment from those virtue signaling by displaying a Ukrainian flag on social media bios or demanding that NATO get involved and engage in a combat war with Russia that somehow Ukraine is able to scrap together the remaining pieces of rubble in decimated buildings and call themselves okay. That somehow Ukraine is able to come back from the destruction. I suppose a "winning" in Ukraine could be perceived as the Ukrainian government remaining self sufficient, oppose to Zelenskyy outright being murdered. But that doesn't bring back any lives or property back.

I'd take it a step further and argue that everyone has already lost, and the continued occupation of Ukraine is merely digging the hole deeper.

There's a distinction between taking control of strategic targets, and "winning". It does seem likely that Russia will take control of its key targets at some point... but every act of aggression, every new civilian killed, creates more anti-Russian sentiment amongst the population. The only way that Russia can realistically end the war is by removing/forcibly relocating all Ukranians. Otherwise, resistance will continue indefinitely.

So who will lose in Ukraine? Arguably, everyone.

True. There are no winners in war, all parties are losers more or less, Human casualties & collateral damage is on both side of the borders. Eventually Ukraine will have to accept Russian demand to keep NATO away from its borders because it can't fight with Strong Russian army for long time without support of westren countries and peace agreement will be signed between the two countries.

The innocent people lose on both sides. This war could be looked at differently because when one superpower is losing thier grip to hold power, it seeks ways for the counterpart to fail while the counterpart also tests whether the superpowers are still holding grounds. We are on the verge of shifting who will be the next hegemony.

Since the US printed a lot of money to support thier economy, it loses its power. Although they have the advantage right now because the USD is the global reserve, it's losing its value and their government has to find ways to blame for thier failure. The crash of USD has long been foretold, it's overdue they just keep bailing out but this time it's different because the world obviously is divided.

For now, it's going in the direction where the West will be isolated when the EU finally comes to realize they need to find their own gas supply and has to rely on the Middle East.  The East will also be isolated and all these could happen in a short period of time.

Russia will lose. The post-Putin Russian government will have to pay huge compensation to Ukraine. Russia will probably lose some territories
as a result. China will probably move in North of Manchuria, Japan will get the Kuril Islands and maybe Kamchatka. Georgia will get their territories back.  Chechnya will gain independence etc.

Russia will either remain a pariah state or go through Perestroika II and become a progressive, social democracy.

Everyone will lose In Ukraine

At home: we lose through higher Gas, Oil and Wheat Prices.

the biggest Losers will be Ukranian Men that defend their Jewish Comedian President, that doesn't want to Stand for the 8 year Genocide in Donbass.

in the West Many People will lose, not just Material, but also Ideological and Mentally:

The left won't be able to pretend its purely Communist and will be forced to Admit its Woke racist Agenda

The right will be forced to Admit that Nationalism doesn't work as it creates to Many Divisions.

the Jews, Christians and Muslims in the West will end up with a Government that denies a Genocide, which will make the people More aggressive Again.

Russians and Chinese Will End up being forced into a Big Eurasian Alliance, it will depend on Putin himself to prevent the Taliban and the Indians to not be able to be taken as a Weapon against this Big Union.

because there Are Many potential Alliances. Muslims hate Zelinski, for their own reasons. so thats Why the Taliban will rather side with the Eurasian Union instead of the West.

Oh and Last but not Least:

The United States Might end up having no Government Anymore. with Innerparty Infighting and Two Parties being unable to Cooperate we might see the End of this with a Collapsing USA the Quickest.

regards

Unfortunately, both country's citizens will have to the bruises, death rates, economic hardships and mental health issues caused by a war they never wanted: A war instigated by angry politicians.

It's amazing how citizens (especially less than average citizens), get to see their tax money been used for a war and sometimes, die in the process of it.

I wish politicians would seek Diplomatic means to resolve issues rather than let them escalate into national and international catastrophe. I WISH!

the losers are the children of the successors of the Russian and Ukrainian nations, civilians and many more,
I hope that this war will end soon and a new atmosphere will be created without another ceasefire, and benefit both parties.

Ukraine has been steamrolled multiple times in its history so I would say it's possible it'll be eventually under Russian control again. It's not really like Afghanistan and Vietnam where the locals have hard terrain they can fall back on to mount guerrilla warfare from. Who loses from this war? The public really. Ukrainians first as they die or are left homeless and the Russians later as they suffer from sanctions.

Agree with that, those who do not know at all feel the impact of this war, whether they are in Russia or Ukraine. They are low to middle class people who have to struggle to support their various needs and live in uncertainty. Hopefully in the future this war will end and the two sides can make peace.

So Putin works for NATO now?

I know you're not capable of anything other than parroting RT talking points, but anyone else reading this nonsense should consider this: what was supposed to happen to not "provoke" the war? Should Ukraine have gifted itself to Putin? Then what? Putin won't stop until Portugal. If you wanna live in Putin's Russia - hurry up to book a flight through Turkey while you can. Stop blaming independent countries for not wanting to join Putin's empire.

yes first provoke the war then sell arms to that country in the name of help. NATO is very good at this. NATO planned provoked the war Putin started it and Ukraine become the goat here. Who is in profits here? USA and Russia. Who is dying, Ukrainian? They did the same in Yemen, Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan. Nobody would talk about them because they are Muslims and NATO and USA are responsible. Put hundreds of sanctions on Russia because they attack Ukraine but Nobody is going to put sanctions on the USA for attacking Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afgan. West show their true faces.

being open minded is in general a bad idea, it basically makes you a whore to whoever sells you his information the best.

everyone should be closeminded and strife for personal wealth gains, which typically inculdes religion

... and proceeds with "Putin bad, but" arguments. That's not being open-minded, that's being deliberately obtuse. An independent country trying to defend itself with help from anyone who can provide it - yes, including NATO - is not a "culprit". I know you Kremlin stooges would prefer Ukrainians to "negotiate" (i.e. give in to all Putin's demands as that's his condition for "negotiation") but that's not how it works.

Putin started the war, he can end it today if he wanted to. He doesn't. End of story.

Nato/Ukraine should have just accepted the autonomy and independence of the Donbass republics like the lectured the serbs to do with the kosovo Muslims, that would have been something but no they held like a bunch of angry children on ukraine and on their corrupt jew comedian zelinski, nato gives a fuck if all ukranian men get slaughtered they get the women and children to exploit

We will all lose. Well, not all, there are always those who benefit from wars, but they are usually a minority. Obviously, the most affected will be those who lose their lives, their families and those who have to move to avoid bombs falling on them.

For the rest you say, I try to keep an open mind and I have been researching the origin of the conflict:


I would point out that the responsible for the dead is the one who kills them and the one who orders to kill them, but if we stick to the origin of the conflict, it is true that NATO is partly to blame for expanding eastward. The thing is that until now they had done it with several countries and nothing had happened.

ukriane is basically nato's Yogoslavia,

with ukraine bing Serbia and the russian Seperatist republic being the Kosovo Albanians.

Nato now gets its emberassement having a state commited in a genocide, oppression with a jew comedian at the top

Many people have taken sides in this conflict. Some show sympathy to Ukraine and some throw arguments by supporting putins action. But if we want to understand these incidents then we have to be open-minded and not take any side. Let's see who is going to lose the war:

If you think of military strength then Ukraine is no match for Russia. Russia is a supergiant in terms of military power comparison with Ukraine. But it's impossible to win with a  week of military power? No, it's not and the Taliban and Vietnam are good examples of that.

Why it will not be easy for Russia?

War sucks out a country's resources. The reason behind today's weak economical condition of the USA is the Afgan war. Despite being the world's largest economy the USA lost the war in Afghanistan and this war cost them by weakening their economy. Russia's economy is 1.4 trillion dollars in size which is equal to USA's poorest stated economy. You can not be a superpower with a weak economy also Ukraine is one of the largest countries in Europe even it is bigger than France and Germany. And the good thing for Ukraine is their people are protesting RF on the battlefield. Simply Russia's economy doesn't have the power to occupy Ukraine in a lengthy war.

Russia is the only culprit here?

The answer is no. NATO is also responsible for this situation. It's not my judgment its been said by some American academist. In-network times Thomas Freidman write a column where he mentions some narratives from one of the famous cold war historians George F. Kennan. In that column, he writes, NATO's expansion and inclusion of former soviet countries will show a significant and dangerous reaction from Russia. which will be a bad decision for the USA.

A famous writer M. E. Sarotte wrote a book called NOT ONE INCH. In that book, he brings forwards some promises made to the former soviet union. There he mentioned chancellor of West Germany promised to the former president of the soviet union Mikhail Gorbachev that Germany will not allow NATO to build a military structure in east Germany. White houses former chief of staff James baker ensured Mikhail Gorbachev that NATO will not expand one inch to the east. Did they keep their promises? NO.

NATO can not deny its responsibility to provoke this war.

Conclusion: Who will lose the fight?

Ukrainian people, who don't care about NATO or Russia. Poor and Middle-class people are suffering from this war who doesn't have any responsibility or wish for this war. War fought by rich but suffer poor, war start by politicians but soldier died in the battlefield. Sometimes war is necessary to bring peace but most of the war humans fought was unnecessary. Because of these wars, people from both sides are suffering so I hope leaders from both countries try to solve their problem by negotiation not by risking precious human life.