Why Anonymity so important to you? - page 4.

HarmonLi

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Quote from: Slark on August 10, 2014, 02:20:49 AM

If bitcoin were really truly anonymous in 100% It would be great, but there are ways i.e blockchain to track your coins. While it does not show you directly your location or name it can be tracked. But it is still better that credit cards or other online payments method...

How would Bitcoin work without the Blockchain? I don't think you 'got' the basic idea or principle of Bitcoin. It is important that every transaction is visible and accountable for by the whole network and everyone participating in Bitcoin!!!

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Quote from: Mobius on August 10, 2014, 11:27:25 AM

Quote from: ShakyhandsBTCer on August 10, 2014, 10:31:09 AM

Quote from: Kayex on August 10, 2014, 10:19:46 AM

Quote from: freedomno1 on August 10, 2014, 06:13:22 AM

Since people have a right to privacy and an expected right to it without interference from another party
Although in a court case that gets overruled by a warrant or interacting with others Wink

Still in general freedom to access information and to form opinions independently is why anonymity is important.

Also to purchase some goods that might seem embarrassing if others knew about it ^^.
Or medication etc in the future those type of private use cases where you wouldn't want others to know.

We do have a right to those privacies. We also need them. But the NSA and the government just want everything. Ugh. >.>

The worst thing is, if they try to convince people that they need to do that because of TERRORISM, and righteous people who do nothing wrong have nothing to fear. lol

I am not so sure about this. I think there are a lot of people who value their privacy a lot. I think the reason many people were so willing to give up privacy after 9/11 was because a major act of terrorism had just occurred and people saw the threat as being very real. I think a 9/11 type of event is really a very rare type of event, and the damage that occurred really could not happen again due to change in policies (not allowing even small knives on planes, not assuming that a hijacking is intended to get a ransom) and there have been a couple of failed hijackings over the years.

Isn't this generally called brainwashing? People were told that they are in immediate threat (they weren't statistically) and thus would have to do this to save their lives.

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Quote from: ShakyhandsBTCer on August 10, 2014, 10:31:09 AM

Quote from: Kayex on August 10, 2014, 10:19:46 AM

Quote from: freedomno1 on August 10, 2014, 06:13:22 AM

Since people have a right to privacy and an expected right to it without interference from another party
Although in a court case that gets overruled by a warrant or interacting with others Wink

Still in general freedom to access information and to form opinions independently is why anonymity is important.

Also to purchase some goods that might seem embarrassing if others knew about it ^^.
Or medication etc in the future those type of private use cases where you wouldn't want others to know.

We do have a right to those privacies. We also need them. But the NSA and the government just want everything. Ugh. >.>

The worst thing is, if they try to convince people that they need to do that because of TERRORISM, and righteous people who do nothing wrong have nothing to fear. lol

I am not so sure about this. I think there are a lot of people who value their privacy a lot. I think the reason many people were so willing to give up privacy after 9/11 was because a major act of terrorism had just occurred and people saw the threat as being very real. I think a 9/11 type of event is really a very rare type of event, and the damage that occurred really could not happen again due to change in policies (not allowing even small knives on planes, not assuming that a hijacking is intended to get a ransom) and there have been a couple of failed hijackings over the years.

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Quote from: desired_username on August 08, 2014, 02:41:44 AM

Quote from: Kayex on August 07, 2014, 11:11:33 PM

I also can add to this point.
After all of that happens, your IP address can be connected to your BTC address.
That's why I also think BTC isn't anonymous at all. Well, anymore.

It never was fully anonymous. It's a misconception spread by MSM.

Bitcoin is as anonymous as you want it to be.

By default transactions can be tracked. If you use mixers, multiple wallets and don't tie your real ID to any of the address it's basically anonymous.

IP to address is a whole different matter, but it's easy to defend against. (use your brain)

Your comment reflects that bitcoin was anonym once and it's being destroyed which is not the case at all.

Ohhh. That clears up a bunch of things. So MSM spread this misconception about it being anonymous.
But you can tie your address to real life things also such as coinbase.
I understand more now.
Thanks.

ShakyhandsBTCer

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Quote from: Kayex on August 10, 2014, 10:19:46 AM

Quote from: freedomno1 on August 10, 2014, 06:13:22 AM

Since people have a right to privacy and an expected right to it without interference from another party
Although in a court case that gets overruled by a warrant or interacting with others Wink

Still in general freedom to access information and to form opinions independently is why anonymity is important.

Also to purchase some goods that might seem embarrassing if others knew about it ^^.
Or medication etc in the future those type of private use cases where you wouldn't want others to know.

We do have a right to those privacies. We also need them. But the NSA and the government just want everything. Ugh. >.>

The worst thing is, if they try to convince people that they need to do that because of TERRORISM, and righteous people who do nothing wrong have nothing to fear. lol

Kayex

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Quote from: freedomno1 on August 10, 2014, 06:13:22 AM

Since people have a right to privacy and an expected right to it without interference from another party
Although in a court case that gets overruled by a warrant or interacting with others Wink

Still in general freedom to access information and to form opinions independently is why anonymity is important.

Also to purchase some goods that might seem embarrassing if others knew about it ^^.
Or medication etc in the future those type of private use cases where you wouldn't want others to know.

We do have a right to those privacies. We also need them. But the NSA and the government just want everything. Ugh. >.>

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Since people have a right to privacy and an expected right to it without interference from another party
Although in a court case that gets overruled by a warrant or interacting with others Wink

Still in general freedom to access information and to form opinions independently is why anonymity is important.

Also to purchase some goods that might seem embarrassing if others knew about it ^^.
Or medication etc in the future those type of private use cases where you wouldn't want others to know.

Ozziecoin

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Listen to how the Stasi functioned: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWjzT2l5C34
Remind you of anyone?

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Quote from: Kayex on August 10, 2014, 02:33:54 AM

Quote from: Rampton on August 10, 2014, 02:28:01 AM

Quote from: Slark on August 10, 2014, 02:20:49 AM

If bitcoin were really truly anonymous in 100% It would be great, but there are ways i.e blockchain to track your coins. While it does not show you directly your location or name it can be tracked. But it is still better that credit cards or other online payments method...

I don't think bitcoin ever claimed to be truly anonymous, but you can use it without tying your account to your real world identity. I or others don't know anything about you just because you have a bitcoin address or send and recieve payments.

I don't think satoshi ever said that it was supposed to be anonymous
But people are saying its used for anonymous purposes.
But it depends on the situation i guess

I think people tend to go with what the media says and they seem to peddle it as a 'anoymous currency', which it's not really, but can be used in such a way if you're careful, but it's more of an 'unregulated' currency or one with less bureaucracy and that you're free to use whatever your situation.

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Quote from: Rampton on August 10, 2014, 02:28:01 AM

Quote from: Slark on August 10, 2014, 02:20:49 AM

If bitcoin were really truly anonymous in 100% It would be great, but there are ways i.e blockchain to track your coins. While it does not show you directly your location or name it can be tracked. But it is still better that credit cards or other online payments method...

I don't think bitcoin ever claimed to be truly anonymous, but you can use it without tying your account to your real world identity. I or others don't know anything about you just because you have a bitcoin address or send and recieve payments.

I don't think satoshi ever said that it was supposed to be anonymous
But people are saying its used for anonymous purposes.
But it depends on the situation i guess

Rampton

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Quote from: Slark on August 10, 2014, 02:20:49 AM

If bitcoin were really truly anonymous in 100% It would be great, but there are ways i.e blockchain to track your coins. While it does not show you directly your location or name it can be tracked. But it is still better that credit cards or other online payments method...

I don't think bitcoin ever claimed to be truly anonymous, but you can use it without tying your account to your real world identity. I or others don't know anything about you just because you have a bitcoin address or send and recieve payments.

Slark

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If bitcoin were really truly anonymous in 100% It would be great, but there are ways i.e blockchain to track your coins. While it does not show you directly your location or name it can be tracked. But it is still better that credit cards or other online payments method...

Dogtanian

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Anonymity is important because it's a fundamental right. If I'm not doing anything bad or havent been suspected of doing anything bad and without good evidence nobody has the legal right to spy or check up on me on the off chance that I might be doing something they don't like, which could later be used against me in some way.

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With a system like the blockchain where it is essentially a large public ledger, if you get rid of the anonymity of the addresses, it becomes the ledger from hell. Allowing anyone to know exactly where you spend every dime, how often, on what dates and your total net wealth. That's simply....to much.

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Quote from: knybe on August 09, 2014, 10:02:30 PM

in a time where everyone clamors to be seen and or famous, it's made everyone numb to the fact that they're giving away their freedom... we take our anonymity more and more for granted and makes it so much easier for "them" to track us.

anonymous is the new famous.

I think that statement is quite contradictory.
I see where you're going with that though.
I think the US is just afraid of the people creating an uprising.
Might just be me though.

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decentralize EVERYTHING...

in a time where everyone clamors to be seen and or famous, it's made everyone numb to the fact that they're giving away their freedom... we take our anonymity more and more for granted and makes it so much easier for "them" to track us.

anonymous is the new famous.

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It isn't important to me as you can see I'm using my real name on a forum but I can see why it's important to others, these days the smallest pieces of information can reveal so much about a person, what your interests are, where you live, what you bought, where you're going etc

You will never be individualized until you need to be.

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Because people don't want every aspect of their lives open for everyone to see.

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Quote from: needFREElunch on August 09, 2014, 12:37:02 PM

Quote from: NotAtOld on August 09, 2014, 02:07:51 AM

Security and convenience are a never ending war of trade-offs. I would rather spend a little extra effort mixing my coins that keep in an alt that doesn't have even a fraction of the hashing power behind it.

This is not true if you think for the long term. Over short periods it takes a little bit longer to setup security, however you generally will only need to do this a limited number of times.

No need to mix yourself soon, check darkcoin on testnet:

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/rc4-testing.1830/page-80 win and mac binaries part way down that page.

Testnet faucet: https://drkipn.com/test/faucet/

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Quote from: Ayers on August 09, 2014, 01:57:28 PM

they don't want to pay taxes i think, i can't see other reasons, beside the normal illegal activity

See NSA prism program.

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