Why Anonymity so important to you? - page 6.

cbeast

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Quote from: BowieMan on August 08, 2014, 11:50:53 AM

Quote from: Soros Shorts on August 08, 2014, 07:22:15 AM

Quote from: darkota on July 30, 2014, 09:39:59 AM

Bitcoin is not anonymous, at all. Simply put, there are programs out there and in the making, that track every address associated to a designated Bitcoin address, and can interlock transactions between other known addresses of exchanges etc, to find the identity of the user if she/he cashes out via subpoena.

There goes Bitcoin's pseudo-anonymity.

You can choose to be relatively anonymous. If I had 30 different addresses in 30 different wallets filled with BTC mined through p2pool, how would you even know those addresses belonged to me?

Anyway, the reason anonymity is important is because my financial transactions are nobody's business.

That's exactly the point. It's not about "I'm not doing anything forbidden, why would I have to worry?" It is the simple fact that such things are nobody's business to even begin with! That's why we need Bitcoin!

You are discussing privacy, not anonymity.

Kayex

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Quote from: zolace on August 08, 2014, 10:44:26 AM

BItcoin shouldnt have to be anonymous, I mean it was intended for it like that long ago, but Im sure that not what Satoshi true intentions was, im sure he knew that was going to major role in making business for the bitcoin.

Well I'm not sure what satoshis true intentions were.
He's not into btc anymore i believe and he refuses to talk about it, seeing as he has denied countless interviews.

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Quote from: Soros Shorts on August 08, 2014, 07:22:15 AM

Quote from: darkota on July 30, 2014, 09:39:59 AM

Bitcoin is not anonymous, at all. Simply put, there are programs out there and in the making, that track every address associated to a designated Bitcoin address, and can interlock transactions between other known addresses of exchanges etc, to find the identity of the user if she/he cashes out via subpoena.

There goes Bitcoin's pseudo-anonymity.

You can choose to be relatively anonymous. If I had 30 different addresses in 30 different wallets filled with BTC mined through p2pool, how would you even know those addresses belonged to me?

Anyway, the reason anonymity is important is because my financial transactions are nobody's business.

That's exactly the point. It's not about "I'm not doing anything forbidden, why would I have to worry?" It is the simple fact that such things are nobody's business to even begin with! That's why we need Bitcoin!

cbeast

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Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.

There has never been true financial anonymity before. If it is possible, it should be regulated until we know the sociological consequences. I'm not concerned about the tax or privacy issues, those have other means to be addressed. I'm concerned about complete lawlessness and it's impact on families. The Old West was not a place for genteel folks.

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BItcoin shouldnt have to be anonymous, I mean it was intended for it like that long ago, but Im sure that not what Satoshi true intentions was, im sure he knew that was going to major role in making business for the bitcoin.

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Real world business application for anonymity. I have a source that never changes his address. So, I can see how much he sells to other clients and how much BTC he has incoming. Using that info, I can usually ask a fair price and know I'm not getting over charged. This is why generating a new address is important.

Would you want your competition to know for how much you purchase your inventory?

How often and when?

From what sources?

At what prices you sell among different customers?

How much you earn per year?

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Quote from: cbeast on August 08, 2014, 09:25:32 AM

Quote from: logger on August 08, 2014, 07:43:55 AM

Though it is possible to be truly anonymous in BTC instead of begging and crying and whining to have the developers implement it in the code base for you if you just don't expect everything to be silver spoon fed to you and you go out and practice anonymous habits in the bitcoin space.

Exactly. Nobody promised anonymity with Bitcoin. That is just wishful thinking by libertarians. They can always use gold.

True. We're never promised full anonymity. Our internet packets are always sent to our isp.
Also, gold would obviously never be used practically for the average joe. Lol.
Even new services like stellar won't be all about anonymity. Just convenience.

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Quote from: Soros Shorts on August 08, 2014, 07:22:15 AM

Quote from: darkota on July 30, 2014, 09:39:59 AM

Bitcoin is not anonymous, at all. Simply put, there are programs out there and in the making, that track every address associated to a designated Bitcoin address, and can interlock transactions between other known addresses of exchanges etc, to find the identity of the user if she/he cashes out via subpoena.

There goes Bitcoin's pseudo-anonymity.

You can choose to be relatively anonymous. If I had 30 different addresses in 30 different wallets filled with BTC mined through p2pool, how would you even know those addresses belonged to me?

Anyway, the reason anonymity is important is because my financial transactions are nobody's business.

That's true^, but for the average bitcoin user, they believe that it is already anonymous, and they wouldn't think to do something like that(30 diff mining wallets)

cbeast

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Quote from: logger on August 08, 2014, 07:43:55 AM

Though it is possible to be truly anonymous in BTC instead of begging and crying and whining to have the developers implement it in the code base for you if you just don't expect everything to be silver spoon fed to you and you go out and practice anonymous habits in the bitcoin space.

Exactly. Nobody promised anonymity with Bitcoin. That is just wishful thinking by libertarians. They can always use gold.

logger

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Though it is possible to be truly anonymous in BTC instead of begging and crying and whining to have the developers implement it in the code base for you if you just don't expect everything to be silver spoon fed to you and you go out and practice anonymous habits in the bitcoin space.

logger

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If Anonymity was so important to the people here who claim it is. Then they would have surely moved to Bytecoin since that would mean, being anonymous is worth more than speculating on BTC price. Since they haven't they are lying for some sort of moral superiority.

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Its not essential but its a nice benefit.

For me it doesn't really matter, as for most people I play mostly on the right side of the law.

Common law > Legislation

I have kids etc. I want them to realise the importance of self protection / preservation in an increasingly wired up world.

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Quote from: darkota on July 30, 2014, 09:39:59 AM

Bitcoin is not anonymous, at all. Simply put, there are programs out there and in the making, that track every address associated to a designated Bitcoin address, and can interlock transactions between other known addresses of exchanges etc, to find the identity of the user if she/he cashes out via subpoena.

There goes Bitcoin's pseudo-anonymity.

You can choose to be relatively anonymous. If I had 30 different addresses in 30 different wallets filled with BTC mined through p2pool, how would you even know those addresses belonged to me?

Anyway, the reason anonymity is important is because my financial transactions are nobody's business.

Quintessence

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To my mind, anonymity is not so important as a possibility of it

CoolBliss

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If people see how much money you have, they will follow you home...

unexecuted

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To me the littLe bit of anonimity is a bonus and not priority.. my no 1 is the future deflation and the technology as whole is genious

TheTruth4

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Privacy is essential in maintaining the balance of power between the people and the state. Anonymity is necessary as well when nearly everything online is tracked.

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Quote from: Kayex on August 07, 2014, 11:11:33 PM

I also can add to this point.
After all of that happens, your IP address can be connected to your BTC address.
That's why I also think BTC isn't anonymous at all. Well, anymore.

It never was fully anonymous. It's a misconception spread by MSM.

Bitcoin is as anonymous as you want it to be.

By default transactions can be tracked. If you use mixers, multiple wallets and don't tie your real ID to any of the address it's basically anonymous.

IP to address is a whole different matter, but it's easy to defend against. (use your brain)

Your comment reflects that bitcoin was anonym once and it's being destroyed which is not the case at all.

Kayex

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Quote from: darkota on July 30, 2014, 09:39:59 AM

Bitcoin is not anonymous, at all. Simply put, there are programs out there and in the making, that track every address associated to a designated Bitcoin address, and can interlock transactions between other known addresses of exchanges etc, to find the identity of the user if she/he cashes out via subpoena.

There goes Bitcoin's pseudo-anonymity.

I also can add to this point.
After all of that happens, your IP address can be connected to your BTC address.
That's why I also think BTC isn't anonymous at all. Well, anymore.

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https://github.com/ABISprotocol/The-Bitcoin-Foundation-Legal-Repo/commit/f8890546d64ebeb08253cb500981c490482db405 (pull request, responsive to issue #19 ("Anonymity and Funding"), for Bitcoin Foundation Bylaws).

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