Topic: Why are drugs bad? Is Marijuana killing me slowly? (whatever goes) (Read 8024 times)

Ask Dank, he will give you the correct answer.

Yes, even Chastity.

Killing you slowly? Marijuana is actually good and healthy for you, who told you this? 

Smoking it isn't really healthy, but I really can't imagine smoking anything is healthy.
If you use a vaporizer or eat it in a delicious cake, it's good. Consuming marijuana isn't limited to smoking it, it's actually a shame this is the most popular way of consuming it.

Ask mr mkaey

http://finshaggy.blogspot.com/2013/10/how-marijuana-community-turned-stupid_1.html

I smoke both... 

So...I suppose the next logical study would be to examine whether lung cancer is as prevalent in those who regularly smoke cigarettes and pot compared with those that only smoke cigarettes.

FTFY. 

Yeah a few different types of Cancer.... Cannabinoids have shown to help reduce tumor size... 


The drug companies are not happy with this... How do they make their millions if people can just use Marijuana instead of their drugs? 

http://www.aacrmeetingabstracts.org/cgi/content/meeting_abstract/2007/1_Annual_Meeting/4749?maxtoshow=&hits=80&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=cannabinoid&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=1760&resourcetype=HWCIT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuPqLVEnd7A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvosdIXyjWM

Marijuana Cuts Lung Cancer Tumor Growth In Half, Study Shows

Cannabinoids and gliomas:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17952650

Source?

Except that weed cures cancer.

However, in many areas of the world, pot smokers mix with tobacco and draw much more deeply (although far less frequently) than cigarette smokers. In this case I think it would be likely that getting high could cause cancer.

Vaporizers.

While true, since there's no evidence of a link between marijuana smoking and any kind of cancer, the presence of the carcinogens is irrelevant. It may be equivalent to 3 or 4 cigarettes in terms of the volume of carcinogens, but carcinogens are not all the same, and it definitely does not have anywhere near the same level of carcinogenic effect on humans as 3 or 4 cigarettes does.

This is not even controversial. For example, see here http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana :

I don't think this has been mentioned yet (then again, I didnt read past the first post) but a single blunt actually has a ton of carcinogens in it. Last I remember, it was something like the equivalent to smoking 3 or 4 cigarettes, and it goes right to your lungs. I'll just stay here. Safe. Behind my wall of LSD.

I will admit, so many kiddlets abuse the shit outta the medicinal cannabis system just to get high, i saw that shit all the time when going to dispensaries. Same goes with xanax, oxycontin, ambien, so on and so forth.

Fuckheads always have to ruin it for everybody else.

Added: More bullshit from the assholes in suits... http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/07/la-ban-on-pot-dispensaries-greeted-with-anger-support.html

This entire state is broke as dick, and they are still shutting down sources of income....

Pedophile catholic priests would say yes.

There's a lot of people who's pain can be eased by weed no doubt.
What level of pain is grounds for sparking up or popping a few pills though?

With good weed you don't need women, friends or even good music,
just a nice wall to stare at and a few repetitive beats.

Whenever your health goes to shit, i know that tune of yours will change real quick.


They also hold patents on your DNA.

As for OP, marijuana bad for you? You really should research what they put in your food and water, that shit WILL give you cancer.

I could survive without music, women and my friends too, but it would make survival kind of dull.

Some of the things that people believe...are they really that brainwashed/stupid?

Some of you should actually READ the case studies that have been done with marijuana before making yourselves look like imbeciles whose entire knowledge about marijuana came from the "Just Say No" campaign.

Marijuana, when its effects were actually studied in a 10 year case study, has been shown to be GOOD for your lungs:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729.html


Oh yeah, and it cures cancer.

Many years ago, when I was about as foolish as I am now, I went to see a doctor because I was stressed out and depressed. I was hoping to get some some type of anti-depressant. He told me to start smoking weed.

Best doctor I ever had. We're still friends to this day.

You guys just way over medicate to begin with.
Unless you've got something that will kill you, you can survive without any of it.

When i got my green card, i was able to knock out about 85% of the medications i was using at the time... Would love to see medicine cabinets of the future, instead of having 20 bottles of different pills, you have 1 with thc caps & 1 with bud.... ez as that.

Because GovCorp Inc. doesn't have complete control of it yet.

So this horrible drug does more good then bad?

Excerpt from your link.


How is this not a wonder drug..... [using the term "drug" loosely]

The US Government also holds a patent on medical cannabis:

http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6630507.html

Does more help then good, research cannabinoids.

Anti-inflammatory, fights prostate & some cerebral cancers, pain killer (without possibility of addiction), anti-anxiety (in some strains).... i could go all day.

Hell its even used for radiation clean-up like at chernobyl.

Legalization would not only go against the pharmaceutical companies, but also textile companies when it comes to hemp (which is one of the reasons it was originally made illegal, along with many other bullshit self serving reasons they could come up with.)

No sir I did not... Hemp should be used more.... I think it will start to become more widely used around the world.... Crude Oil wont last forever...

It's a little complicated, but I actually lobby for an oil company. See, if pot-smoking were made legal, so would hemp=growing. Did you know the US is the world's biggest importer of hemp?

Dude, I am so baked right now, I am going to eat, eat food.

Let me translate that:
"I respect your personal decisions, it's your life, just don't involve me. But I will still get involved and get you screwed if the drugs don't do it already!"

I agree people should be able to do whatever they want to their bodies so long as it doesn't cause lead to the physical harm of others.  I'm for free choice.  I agree with Ben Franklin - Those who sacrifice essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

For McDonalds?

I'm not going to get into the whole health effects debate, but my stance on recreational use is basically the NAP.

Do what you want, as long as you aren't endangering me or infringing on my ability to do what I want.

It's your body; who am I to tell you what to do with it? Oh yes, I forgot. I'm a lobbyist.

I don't do business with people that eat garlic so I guess I can only do business with vampire here on the forums.  DAMN.   

Your ignorance is amazing.

Here's the reality, you most likely deal with people on a daily basis who smoke weed without you ever having a clue.

The average person that I see in the dispensaries aren't the burned out stoners you imagine, they are business men and women, teachers, grandparents, etc., and you would never know that they smoked if you saw them outside in the real world.

But keep thinking that people who smoke cant be (or aren't) successful and productive members of society.  We are all feckless losers, just like Carl sagan, Richard Feynman, Michael phelps, and a whole host of others who accomplished nothing because of weed.

I'm saying weed got me through a time of depression, I'm not saying I depend on it now to function.  I hardly smoke anymore.  That does not make me weak, what does not kill us only makes us stronger.

It doesn't mean you can't continue to explore your mind either.

Dealing with stupid people is always unpleasant. How do you tell how someone smells across the net?

That's completely correct. But cutting off a market because they smell horrible, act stupid, and are addicted is an excellent business decision.

Cutting off or alienating a market just because you disagree with someone's life choices isn't a good business decision. 

Ive been (legally) smoking high grade marijuana on a daily basis for a few years now. I have a great job and family, and my health is immaculate (just had my physical). I'm in better shape at 32 than I was at 18 fresh out of basic training. I even quit smoking cigarettes, started working out heavily, and cut my drinking down to an almost nonexistant level after I got my licence.

So no. I'm gonna say your not killing yourself. Not saying I'm the norm, but it certainly hasn't been detrimental to my life.

Sure, go ahead and smoke, smell like a retard, act like a pothead, and lose your sense of life. It's your choice. But don't expect to do business with me.

That one remark at the end just rendered everything else you said absolutely useless.

YES!

That's why I'm offering a unique service. SEND ME ALL YOUR WEED. It's really bad for everyone and I know how to safely get rid of it.

1)  Not sure how "then everything is psychologically addictive" is a defense.  That's similar to the "but other, more harmful drugs are legal!" defense.  We're not talking about everything else, we're talking about pot.

2)  If you need pot to "make it this far in life," then you sound pretty weak.  I'm not saying pot doesn't have any positive aspects, and I understand that pot can be a used for creative, spiritual, and even social means.  I don't deny this at all.  But in this way, pot is like baby food.  You can smoke pot for a little while so that you can begin to see the world in a different way.  But, if you're smart, you'll learn how it's possible to view the world in the same way without pot afterwards.  Once you're all grown up you don't need baby food anymore.  Now, if you have glaucoma or are going through chemotherapy, then pot can obviously be beneficial. 

Consider mushrooms or LSD, both of which are even less addictive than pot (though more dangerous in other aspects).  Anybody who has tried these substances at least once will likely tell you that it had a profound impact on their lives, and usually for the better.  But does that mean you need to keep consuming mushrooms or LSD?  No.  You caught a glimpse of a profoundly different perspective, and now you can implement what you've learned into your sober life.

Then everything is psychologically addictive, in that case.

What about those that wouldn't have made it this far in life without weed?  How much worse off would they be?

I would love to see studies proving these.  I always here talk like this but I can't find the evidence other than "X told me this."

Here's something that wouldn't get made by a US state-sponsored TV station:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRgb5coMXGk

Very, very interesting.

First of all, it's a poor argument to suggest that just because some things that are more dangerous than pot are legal (e.g. alcohol) then pot should be legal too.

Second, yes, weed is addictive.  Saying something is "psychologically addictive" but not "physically addictive" is a employing a false dichotomy.  When a person uses any drug linked to dopamine transmission, that person's body will become less efficient at transmitting dopamine over time.  Basically, the body says, "I'm going on vacation!  I don't need to work anymore because something else is doing the work for me!"  So, the body gets lazy.  When that same person stops smoking weed, the body must relearn how to be as efficient as it once was.

Third, the effects of weed over time are subtle but they accumulate.  It's a poor argument to say, "Look!  I've smoked pot for 10+ years and I'm fine!  Obviously pot isn't that bad!"  It's a poor argument because you don't have anything to compare it to.  If you didn't smoke those 10+ years, who knows how much better off you would be?

I used to smoke a lot more when I was younger...... Quarter ounce would last me maybe 2 days compared to the almost 2 weeks that it last me now...

There is a huge difference in quality now compared to 10 years ago.

There was a point in my life where I had to face the fact that I wasn't going to be successful in life if I continued to smoke pot. I do not know anyone who smokes pot daily who also has a successful career and a social network beyond other stoners. Correlation != causation, I know.

I know several very bright young men who started smoking pot out of the blue, who snowballed into daily users. They are no longer driven individuals and have become loners.

Call it what you want, and maybe lots of people do just fine smoking lots of weed all the time, but I've been happier, more  driven, and more social ever since I quit. I spent a lot of time telling myself that pot was totally fine, that lots of normal people do it, that it doesn't affect me that much...

But when it came down to it, I knew what I had to do to get on with my life. I also can't imagine being a very happy person if I was stoned multiple times a week.

To each his own, I suppose.

If everyone followed this logic almost everything would be banned.
Caffeine based products too. It is possible to overdose with caffeine but not with marijuana (and the latter is not even addictive).

Not to mention alcohol and tobacco

Reasons why pot is banned are politically and economically motivated and they are outlined a few posts above.
There is plenty of substances that are legal or less regulated which inflict more damage to human health than marijuana.

I said...

2.)  ....judgment, reasoning...

Did you not just list what happens when you Age ?  Probably a lot of 50+ year old's with those issues that have never smoked before...

Other reasons pot is illegal

1)  It kills motivation and decreases ATP production over time

2)  Decreased blood flow to prefrontal cortex inhibiting personality growth, judgment, reasoning, and goal-oriented decision making

3)  Memory impairment

4)  Impaired motor coordination

5)  Sexual dysfunction over time

6)  Decreased testosterone production



Is pot as harmful as most other drugs?  No.  But it's nothing to snicker about, either.

Whoever has the most money to sway government to legalize it to benefit them....

dank,
If it became legal, who would be involved in distributing it for:
-Medical/enjoyment purposes
-Textile purposes
-Fuel purposes
Who would have the most to gain from it?

Yeah Marijuana is illegal because of greed.

I'd recommend using a pan to cook the butter, potentates it much more.  If you use some hash and let it simmer for a couple hours, you'll won't need more than .05 grams to feel the effects.

Why weed is illegal:

Legalized weed would replace nearly every industry that stands today.

Hemp would be grown and replace the timber industry, power industry, textile industry, housing industry or any of the other thousands of products that used to be made of hemp.

Hemp could be grown and extracted for biodiesel, if we harvested less than 16% of America's land, we'd have enough renewable, clean power to supply our entire country.  Bad business for the oil companies.

Cannabis would be used to cure all sorts of common aliments.  It would replace expensive, dangerous and ineffective pharmaceuticals.  It would replace the trillion dollar cancer treatment industry with a new easy to grow cure.

Do you see where I'm headed?  Cannabis is illegal because the power structure depends on it.  Cannabis would bring peace, and that's the last thing on our leaders' minds.

At times I will not smoke for a few days.. but most days I smoke usually starting sometime after dinner.... 

If I didn't smoke weed I would not get much sleep.... If I used RX drugs to get my sleep, I would be miserable..... with most RX drugs the bad side affects usually out weight the good

I suppose I'm a tard in the making, since I started at 16.

Weed cures cancer:
http://www.aacrmeetingabstracts.org/cgi/content/meeting_abstract/2007/1_Annual_Meeting/4749?maxtoshow=&hits=80&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=cannabinoid&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=1760&resourcetype=HWCIT

As it also helps with just about any sickness of the body.

The only 'negative' effect I've found from my years of research as a pothead, is that the smoke paralyzes the cilia in your lungs, temporarily.  This doesn't actually matter but I suppose it could be considered the most negative effect it has on your body.  If you propose there's a harmful effect cannabis causes to your body, please share the study so I can be proven wrong.

Mental effects, including addiction, cannot be blamed on the plant.  As a moderate psychedelic, weed does bring your inner feelings out of you, which is why some people feel paranoid or anxious.  They are making their self feel that way, though.  Only you control your emotions, even if it's hard at times.

Addiction really means something that has withdrawal, physical addiction.  When you use that word to describe mental effects, it completely loses it's meaning.  You can be addicted to TV, food, bitcoin, anything with that terminology.

Some people habitually use weed, yes, but they are choosing to do so, in no way are they actually addicted to the plant.

Alcohol screws people up bad....... It really confuses me how Alcohol is legal and Marijuana is not....


I could smoke 100 joints and drive home slowly.... but if I had 10 beers and attempted to drive home I would probably end up in a river or a side of someones house or kill 20 people....

Concerning the illegal status on Marijuana i have read sometime ago it was in relation with the chem´/syntetics industry, have read the name dupond some time ago.

However, Marijuana compared to alcohol tells the whole story, i mean look at people who drink everyday and then look at somebody who smokes everyday...
I havent heared or read about a single person who suffered serious injuries because of marijuana - how much people are suffering because of extensive alcohol usage.

Yeah I agree with this... if Marijuana was regulated they could control it like Alcohol.... Kids should not be smoking weed 24/7 and at school....


Our city is full of pollution, it's a very humid smoggy area.... Sucks.... My plan is to move my family way up north Quebec (Chicoutimi) area in the near future.....

Do you know about your respiratory system? Stratified epithelial cells?

Smoking aint healthy dingus.

I doubt smoking marijuana once in a while trumps other western diseases though... so don't worry, you'll die of one of those metabolic syndrome complications instead of unhealthy lungs.

It shouldn't be illegal.

But I really think it causes an addiction for those who just want to smoke. Not a physical addiction, a mental.

Many of my friends now only want to smoke weed. They don't enjoy anymore hanging out without smoking weed. And that's sad.

What I don't think is good is young people getting chronic before their physiology is fully developed.

Adult smoking whenever they feel like it; fine.

15 year old wake and baking = tard in the making.

All those effects you listed are completely mental.  You don't get anxious because you smoke weed, you get anxious because you get anxious.  Only you can control the way you feel, not anyone else, not an inanimate object.

Weed doesn't damage your brain, it lets you use the other side of your brain and realize that everything you were taught is bullshit.

I complain about barbeques. I'm expected to cook meat on them. Bah! An anachronistic contraption fit for savages.

Do you also complain about barbecues? That creates magnitudes more pollution than a tobacco or pot smoker.

Well.. I have not got paranoid from smoking a joint in 10 years... Umm short term memory what? I forget!




and yes... better regulation would be the way to go... Government are wasting tax payer money on imprisoning people for growing/using a plant....... but most hard drugs are plants... Opium and cocaine originate as plants

To say marijuana can be used everyday without ill effects is just foolish. I'm not here to say smoke or not, I'm strongly in belief of legalization and regulation but proper drug education first and foremost. Ill effects? Paranoia, anxiety, short term memory loss etc are all ill effects, temporary or otherwise. Putting smoke in your lungs is never good but can be mitigated by eating or vaporizing. Recent studies suggest smoking under 18 leaves lasting mental deficits. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/08/120827152039.htm

I'm not here to argue for against marijuana or drugs, and make a debate on positive vs negative effects, but if you choose to use them, use them responsibly and don't fool people into thinking it's perfect. Education is key, and I laugh at the thought of rogaine having more ill effects than cocaine.

Well.. I do agree with you in a way.... I use marijuana for medical reasons and get my marijuana from a 100% legal marijuana grow operation I replaced shitty sleep aids with weed... have been doing so for years


I do not smoke indoors, EVER....... I do not smoke near people unless their smoking with me..... Only smoke on my property, unless I go on a long ass bike ride where the whole point was to bike 100+km and chill with a doob for a few hours then bike back....

Yes, marijuana is killing you slowly.

I have no respect for alcoholics, tobacco smokers, or marijuana addicts, unless it is a medicinal use. This goes for people on other unnecessary drugs. I have negative respect for smokers of anything who do it in public and announce their fumes to every innocent person nearby. Smoke on your property and ensure no fumes reach others, and I won't complain (I'll still denounce you though).

I don't approve of restriction of drugs, but banning of public pollution is absolutely necessary.

The US Surgeon General does not approve this message.

I think so. Sexual abstinence is not natural and sex (with STD-free) partner(s) is healthy.

Weed makes me tired... That's my whole reason for smoking it.... I am a very light sleeper.... and I don't drink alcohol very often, stuff makes me feel sick....


Marijuana helps me get a good night sleep... My doctor prescribed me numerous different sleep aids... One made my mouth taste like I was sucking on pennies all night.... One made me a zombie 3 days at a time.... the other just did nothing...



Now I use pot daily and everything is great..... MUCH cheaper then the RX drugs..

It's bad because they say so.
Most narcotics can fuck you up, new weed included,
but natural weed seems to have been a victim of pharmaceutical lobbying in the US back at the start of the 20th century.
And of course, if America does it, it most be right, so we all followed suit.

There is little evidence it causes serious health problems, though there is plenty evidence it srews with your head.
Cocaine on the other hand will mess you up in time, there's now escaping that.
It once was used in everything they could possibly put it in, Coca-cola was developed during prohibition if I remember right, seeing as he couldn't put alcohal in it he used cocaine instead and it took off. It was also Sherlock Holmes drug of choice, the later stories didn't mention it though after it was shown to cause serious psychosis. Now there's a Holmes story I'd like to read.

Even chastity?

Some opinions around here are based on total Anti drug propaganda.........


People should try the drug their bashing before crapping on it


I will say that Marijuana and Cocaine have milder side affect compared to prescription drugs like: Prosom, Viagra, Rogaine. <-- All these are 100% legal RX drugs should they not be 100% safe?




Rogaine turns men in to woman.........Yes use rogaine and you will grow boobies and hips ....

Anything can be bad if you overdo it.

Marijuana might be killing me slowly but so is breathing the air in this shitty gas/chem producing town....


All drugs can be bad for your health but so can cheeseburgers and pancakes if you overdo it....




Marijuana can be used daily without ill affect if you live a healthy life, eating right and exercise.... People are uninformed....