Why are mod not locking long threads on the gambling board discussion anymore

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Quote from: Halab on June 13, 2024, 12:35:29 PM

Quote from: Lucius on June 13, 2024, 10:41:11 AM

so I wonder why the admin hasn't done it so far - because it's not something technically demanding.

Do a search on a Theymos post in Meta containing "can of worms" and you will see that he's looked into that but it's more complicated than it looks.
And if I remember correctly, I read in the Staff section that Theymos has reworked the reports page, so it's not really standard any more. (This info isn't 100% accurate, I must have read it a long time ago).
Maybe one day PowerGlove (or someone else) will come up with a patch

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Thanks for the reminder, it was a long time ago - it seems that this job is, if not at the bottom of the list of priorities, then somewhere at the very bottom. The post you are talking about is from 2019, and as things stand, some of our old members never got to receive their deserved badges (I mean those who left the forum in one way or another), and the question is how many of us will be here if something like that happens.

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Quote from: OgNasty on June 13, 2024, 04:48:24 PM

Why would you want to lock a thread that people are enjoying participating in? Would you rather for example that everyone posting their bets in the NBA gambling thread instead make a new thread every day with their bets? Or each person having their own gambling thread they restart after 5 pages? That would be lunacy.

I guess this should also come to case to case basis. If it’s all about NBA games, there would be a lot of observations and predictions that would come out every now and then so I don’t think locking this thread is preferable. However, if it’s about gambling addiction or somewhat related to, as long as the question or problem has given already a lot of various solutions, then I would say locking the thread in order to cut spamming would be more advisable. But in the end, it’s all on the moderator actually how he will handle the thread.

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I would by no means agree that a gambling thread should be closed after only 3 pages. Any particular game play is held in different places every day, I have even seen a 3 page discussion centered on one game play. If this is turned off then it will become very complicated as many threads will be created each day focusing on only one game. Why don't you think the Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion thread should be locked, where it is auto-updating every hour, if you feel the need to close it. Couldn't they have done this by combining the first update and the last update every 24 hours?

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Quote from: OgNasty on June 13, 2024, 04:48:24 PM

Why would you want to lock a thread that people are enjoying participating in? Would you rather for example that everyone posting their bets in the NBA gambling thread instead make a new thread every day with their bets? Or each person having their own gambling thread they restart after 5 pages? That would be lunacy.

Perhaps he was referring to Mega threads in gambling, 30+ pages of discussions and it seems that everyone is just repeating themselves or trying to post something base on their experiences recently.

But the rule of thumb here is that just report it to the moderator and see if they are going to take action or not.

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Quote from: _act_ on June 11, 2024, 07:04:00 AM

Some people will just enter the forum and read what someone on page 1 posted and quote it and what he will post at page 6 or 7 or more. What would have been posted repeatedly on page 1, 2, or 3. Some people will even be posting what they have posted before on another way.

Please after page 3, why not locking the thread again on gambling board? It may no be done for all threads, but moderators can easily see some threads to lock instead of repetitive posts.

Believe me, even on a single page thread or should I say 2 pages, many users wouldn’t go through all the proceeding comments in that thread. Why is that?
There is a possibility that you would have catch an interest from the very first line or paragraph you read and would like to air your views on it. It could even be a comment by someone but that’s how you keep the discussion going.

The gambling board remains somewhere you can truly discuss as, discussions there are often disjointed and continuous. Disjointed in the sense that, you get to talk about specific games, specific rules to the game, specific matches, specific approaches and all that. It’s continuous in the sense that, new facts or ways to argue the game arises as the discussion progresses.

Now, having to lock such thread only creates room for the next thread that, wouldn’t be talking about anything different but rather, would make even a previously discussed idea seem new. After all, it’s a new thread and that changes nothing. Hence, not doing nothing by not locking some really old and long threads is an effective way of doing something by not doing nothing.

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Why would you want to lock a thread that people are enjoying participating in? Would you rather for example that everyone posting their bets in the NBA gambling thread instead make a new thread every day with their bets? Or each person having their own gambling thread they restart after 5 pages? That would be lunacy.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on June 13, 2024, 03:59:08 PM

How about giving a temporary ban to the OP of each thread if his thread reaches 50 pages and still he has not locked it. Obviously, the ANN threads in gambling sections and sports discussion threads should be excluded from this rule.
Also, this can be applied to other sections too, including the Bitcoin discussion sections etc.

This is too harsh and it would never be implemented. The decision that a thread has run its course or not is somewhat subjective, so you can't dish out temporary bans because a user didn't lock their thread that's over 50 pages, what about users that are inactive. The forum runs in a very free way for its users, this goes against that.

I don't think there needs to be any rule regarding threads that are over so many pages, just report them to the moderators if you think it has been overrun by spammers and let the moderators decide.

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Quote from: xLays on June 13, 2024, 12:16:38 PM

After you posted this topic, several threads have been locked. I replied to or participated in the discussion on five of those threads that locked. Its better for this kind of thread to be locked rather than moved to off-topic, like a few weeks ago when some threads were posted in the gambling discussion are move to off topic board that results some of the signature participants didn't get paid because of that. (I'm not saying that because of moderator who moved the thread is the reason why some signature participants not get paid.) It's always because of the signature participants who posted on that topic.

Moving and locking the threads are two different things and should not be mix together. If a few of the gambling threads were moved to "off topic", that means that those topics were suitable in the gambling threads and moved. This does not matter if those threads had a few pages or many pages, they would be moved because they didn't belong there.

Now coming to locking the long gambling threads, I think this is not only the mods' responsibility but also the topic starter to check his threads and lock them if it has enough or too many replies. How about giving a temporary ban to the OP of each thread if his thread reaches 50 pages and still he has not locked it. Obviously, the ANN threads in gambling sections and sports discussion threads should be excluded from this rule.
Also, this can be applied to other sections too, including the Bitcoin discussion sections etc.

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Quote from: Lucius on June 11, 2024, 11:18:23 AM

If signature spam and shitposting is something that will keep this forum alive, then we should refrain from reports as often as possible - although realistically, compared to a few years ago, the number of reports is very low. It's not that there is no reason for reports, but it is obvious that many who actively did it got tired of the obvious fight with windmills.

There is nothing to get tired of. There are many people that are constantly reporting posts that are needed to be reported. What you can say is that some people were reporting the posts in the past but they are no more on this forum. But there are still some people that are still reporting posts that need to be reported. People that are reporting posts will likely keep doing that. If you have been reporting posts, do not be tired of it at all. It is exciting and makes this forum better.

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Quote from: Lucius on June 13, 2024, 10:41:11 AM

so I wonder why the admin hasn't done it so far - because it's not something technically demanding.

Do a search on a Theymos post in Meta containing "can of worms" and you will see that he's looked into that but it's more complicated than it looks.
And if I remember correctly, I read in the Staff section that Theymos has reworked the reports page, so it's not really standard any more. (This info isn't 100% accurate, I must have read it a long time ago).
Maybe one day PowerGlove (or someone else) will come up with a patch

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After you posted this topic, several threads have been locked. I replied to or participated in the discussion on five of those threads that locked. Its better for this kind of thread to be locked rather than moved to off-topic, like a few weeks ago when some threads were posted in the gambling discussion are move to off topic board that results some of the signature participants didn't get paid because of that. (I'm not saying that because of moderator who moved the thread is the reason why some signature participants not get paid.) It's always because of the signature participants who posted on that topic.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on June 13, 2024, 08:57:55 AM

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I think there should be some benefit for users reporting like badges that come with some special privileges etc as it's a thankless task and it's very rare we add new mods based on their reporting so that's another lack of incentive. Maybe we could even give some small BTC prizes to some of the most active reporters etc.

The majority agreed that badges would be something that would further motivate users to be more active when it comes to using the "report to moderator" button, so I wonder why the admin hasn't done it so far - because it's not something technically demanding. However, even if this happens, it should be done in a smart way so that it does not happen that some people start making hundreds of unnecessary reports a day in order to get badges as soon as possible. Also, the limit for getting such a badge should be high, at least 5000 good reports or maybe even more than that.

As for the BTC rewards, I feel that it can be very motivating, but when it comes to money, there will always be those who will try to abuse it, even if it means that they will put their alt farms into operation, create as much spam as possible and then report themselves.

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Quote from: Lucius on June 13, 2024, 05:33:37 AM

Quote from: hilariousandco on June 12, 2024, 02:59:48 PM

This isn't a rule. Threads are usually locked if they're reported and a mod deems them as run their course.

It seems that some members think that things on this forum take care of themselves, that is, that the moderators patrol the forum and delete posts, move/lock topics and ban bad users. If today we have less than 2000 reports per month, and a few years ago we had record months with almost 50 000 reports, then it is a little clearer why it seems to some that the moderators are not doing their job.

I think most mods will handle something if they come across it but staff only get paid for reports (with some other unknown factors involved) so if there's less reports coming in then spam is more likely to stay unless it gets reported. I barely browse the forum at all these days and tend to just stick to reports and the threads I frequent in my watch-list and I suppose that's probably true for many other mods. I think there should be some benefit for users reporting like badges that come with some special privileges etc as it's a thankless task and it's very rare we add new mods based on their reporting so that's another lack of incentive. Maybe we could even give some small BTC prizes to some of the most active reporters etc.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on June 12, 2024, 02:59:48 PM

This isn't a rule. Threads are usually locked if they're reported and a mod deems them as run their course.

It seems that some members think that things on this forum take care of themselves, that is, that the moderators patrol the forum and delete posts, move/lock topics and ban bad users. If today we have less than 2000 reports per month, and a few years ago we had record months with almost 50 000 reports, then it is a little clearer why it seems to some that the moderators are not doing their job.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on June 12, 2024, 02:59:48 PM

Quote from: _act_ on June 11, 2024, 07:04:00 AM

What I knew about gambling discussion board before was that if a thread is going more than 5 pages already, moderator will lock the thread. It was kind of fun at the time.

This isn't a rule. Threads are usually locked if they're reported and a mod deems them as run their course.

Thanks for clarification, I was about telling OP that what he mentioned wasn't a rule. I don't support the idea of locking a thread after the 5th page because some threads could still be relevant after some years. Besides, if threads are readily locked as proposed by OP, it will lead to more spam because spammers will tend to create more new threads when the one they discuss similar topics is locked.

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Quote from: _act_ on June 11, 2024, 07:04:00 AM

What I knew about gambling discussion board before was that if a thread is going more than 5 pages already, moderator will lock the thread. It was kind of fun at the time.

This isn't a rule. Threads are usually locked if they're reported and a mod deems them as run their course.

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Moderation on gambling board has always existed – of course moderator do it based on reports. Previously I have reported many posts on gambling board and also some topics that have to be closed when the case or topic creation goal has been achieved - but this is a tedious job despite the fact that this is part of the user contribution to the forum.

Unfortunately I can no longer access how many posts and threads on the gambling board I have reported and handled by moderators - that's because my reporting history has been lost.

There are a few consequences I can think of when you force moderators to lock topics that are more than 5 to 10 page:

Some users will create new topics whose discussions are not much different from the topics that have been locked.
More and more unimportant topics include made-up stories.

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Quote from: _act_ on June 11, 2024, 07:04:00 AM

Please after page 3, why not locking the thread again on gambling board?

I believe most of the posts on this forum are created at gambling board and if those threads are locked at just 3 pages then surely the number of posts will also reduce. It won't be helpful to stop spamming because the ones who spam will find an alternative way to do that.

The spammers will always be there no matter if a user's posts at that board get limited to just 5 per day because that's the board where most signature participants make posts as its mandatory for them and some of those participants will surely do spamming in order to increase their weekly payout.

I believe such step could limit the threads where users at page 4-10 could create some good and valuable posts and that's not going to be a useful step. I believe instead of locking a thread at page 3, a moderator should lock it at page 15 but only if needed, otherwise it's not a good step to lock a user's thread.

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The moderators are doing a great job with moderating the Gambling discussion board already because the locking of the thread may not generally originates from the page's getting up to 5 page's, because sometimes you see thread that is just getting to 3 or even first page getting locked, so regardless of how many pages the thread is if moderators fine it becoming spam intended it get locked at the very point.

We have some threads in the Gambling board that is already running into 100 pages or above and yet the discussions on that thread are all relevant on on the topics, we have almost 5 threads in that board that are running into hundreds of page's and not a spam fist ground.

So is all about the quality of the discussions going on on the thread that warrant it to remain open or get kicked.

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To behonest, I do agree that there are some topics that should be locked on the gambling board if such topics start to grow into long pages that could really contain lots of spamming comments. It doesn't necessarily mean that moderators should lock any topic that exceeds 5 pages; topics should be locked if spamming is continuous. Members here should learn to lock their topic after they have gotten satisfied with the level of knowledge they seek from it. I usually lock some of my topics when I know that there is really nothing to discuss again.

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Perhaps you can start yourself. If you write a report to the moderators with a request to close the topic because it has long exhausted its subject, I think that the moderators will not refuse you this. But really, it’s worth talking about topics that have crossed the boundaries of discussion; there are a lot of them, and they are very long; the answers are neither unique nor useful. Moreover, it is safe to say that no one reads them.

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Quote from: Poker Player on June 11, 2024, 10:21:31 PM

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At this moment, I could report over 30 topics that have at least 15+ pages and are not in the Gambling board, and in which members are literally beating a dead horse without the OP getting at least 1 merit or writing something in that topic for several months. However, when I see how some members react to their topic being locked, and when I see that most of them don't mind spam megathreads, I no longer have the will to engage in such things.

It would be logical for each member to take care to close his own topic when it becomes completely meaningless and irrelevant. Those who do it are less than 1%.

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Quote from: Lucius on June 11, 2024, 11:18:23 AM

If signature spam and shitposting is something that will keep this forum alive, then we should refrain from reports as often as possible - although realistically, compared to a few years ago, the number of reports is very low. It's not that there is no reason for reports, but it is obvious that many who actively did it got tired of the obvious fight with windmills.

Here I disagree with you. If there is someone who constantly spams in the section, or who shitposts or who breaks the rules we should act against him by reporting and tagging. A recent example would be “unlimitedmoneygenerator” aka “GluttonyY”.

And I don't think it's wrong to report threads that are too long to be locked or some if they are low value. But being aware that that section is what it is, that it has been very important in the history of Bitcoin and Bitcointalk, and that the discussions are not going to be of great quality usually. Besides that it is what keeps the forum traffic alive today.

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Quote from: _act_ on June 11, 2024, 07:04:00 AM

What I knew about gambling discussion board before was that if a thread is going more than 5 pages already, moderator will lock the thread. It was kind of fun at the time.

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Please after page 3, why not locking the thread again on gambling board? It may no be done for all threads, but moderators can easily see some threads to lock instead of repetitive posts.

Simply put, no one reports it that goes in their moderate dashboard/panel/log. I'm not so sure if mods will go by gambling board, put his time in the line to keep checking every threads and do the mod functions.
Well, that's what i always thought unless not otherwise.

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Quote from: _act_ on June 11, 2024, 07:04:00 AM

Some people will just enter the forum and read what someone on page 1 posted and quote it and what he will post at page 6 or 7 or more. What would have been posted repeatedly on page 1, 2, or 3. Some people will even be posting what they have posted before on another way.

Please after page 3, why not locking the thread again on gambling board? It may no be done for all threads, but moderators can easily see some threads to lock instead of repetitive posts.

Incessant spamming will never end in this forum.... I'd rather bet my account on this one; There's absolutely no perfect way to totally eradicate repetitive postings... Absolutely not! You wanna pronounce it as a punishable offense? They'll somehow get past that as well.

Shit has been happening in the gambling section; including the repetition of self-acclaimed, already discussed topics... Instances are like -- someone pops out of nowhere with this same old, exegerratedly repeated bizarre post - WTF is wrong with people creating threads about gambling addition?? C'mon!! One person dare comes up with their own grammatical beautification, another follows suit... Sometimes, i don't even know what gambling discussions to post in..

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Quote from: _act_ on June 11, 2024, 07:04:00 AM

Please after page 3, why not locking the thread again on gambling board? It may no be done for all threads, but moderators can easily see some threads to lock instead of repetitive posts.

Maybe people like us have not yet joined the forum when all these were in place, nut i will say that locking a thread should only be on the reason if it had not been given any reply after crossing a particular numbers of pages, some discussions could be as better as having it continues even if its over 10 pages if you're following up the discussion thread, which make me to feel from my own opinion that a page may be allowed to get to 10 as it may be before locking up if there were no more discussions on it.

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Quote from: _act_ on June 11, 2024, 07:04:00 AM

Please after page 3, why not locking the thread again on gambling board? It may no be done for all threads, but moderators can easily see some threads to lock instead of repetitive posts.

I don't think it's a good idea because this is not the right solution to this problem. And why only talk about gambling discussion when many other discussions have such an issue (I don't think it is an issue). If you think someone is spamming and you see some posts then simply report it to the moderator. I think the right solution would be to spread awareness among members to not to spam the forum just to increase the post count or activity or to fulfill a signature quota. Proper guidance is the right option, it should be the manager's job (I think) to make sure their participants are not spamming to complete their quota, and many did too.

So, I think members should read the discussion ongoing on the last 3 pages and should try to take part in it, Although I don't post on long threads I mostly post on new threads and try to give my unique POV there as soon as possible as many members can have the same POV like me so I try to share first haha.

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Quote from: Poker Player on June 11, 2024, 10:11:12 AM

I agree on both points. On the one hand I have sometimes reported threads in that section to be locked, as they were over 50 pages. The moderators acted but in the end I got tired of it.

And on the other hand, let's leave the gambling section as it is. As much as it may bother some people, it is the one that keeps this forum alive. If you want this to be a forum with no traffic and something more like a cemetery where someone goes to see Satoshi's grave, attack the section a lot.

If signature spam and shitposting is something that will keep this forum alive, then we should refrain from reports as often as possible - although realistically, compared to a few years ago, the number of reports is very low. It's not that there is no reason for reports, but it is obvious that many who actively did it got tired of the obvious fight with windmills.

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Quote from: _act_ on June 11, 2024, 07:04:00 AM

Please after page 3, why not locking the thread again on gambling board? It may no be done for all threads, but moderators can easily see some threads to lock instead of repetitive posts.

Now that the most active signature campaign we have on the forum right now is gambling, which requires campaigners to post on the gambling board, locking up an old thread won’t change anything, in my opinion; rather, it will still create room for more spamming.

Members will just keep on creating new threads all the time because they need to fill up their post quota. That's just a fact. If there is no place for them to post again, they will just create a new topic, and when that one is due for locking up, more topics will arise.

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Quote from: Zlantann on June 11, 2024, 08:44:21 AM

There should be no benchmark for the number of pages that will be locked. There are some discussion which has exceeded ten pages but are still relevant. Discussion in such threads might still be educative or informative. I suggest that the moderator use there discretion and handle the situation in a case by case pattern. Let a thread be locked anytime the moderator deems suitable.

The boxing discussion is one of these because it is a progressive event and if the thread is created 2 or 3 months before the fight expect boxing fans here to do their own research and contribute to the discussion to keep the discussion before and after the fight, sometimes there's still so many things to discuss after the fight is over especially if the fight is a controversial one.
I support other discussion locks based on the discretion of the moderators or creators, but in sporting events, it should be after the post-game analysis, which could happen two weeks after the fight.

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Quote from: _act_ on June 11, 2024, 07:04:00 AM

Please after page 3, why not locking the thread again on gambling board? It may no be done for all threads, but moderators can easily see some threads to lock instead of repetitive posts.

I think a little "Revision" to some suggestions and rules of the gambling discussion section, i think it's ok against mod policy, the gambling discussion board is becoming a time bomb attack these days, considering the mods control periodically with reports, maybe putting an active mod on there wouldn't be a hindrance if complaints about gambling discussions weren't so abundant.

To enable a mod or two in there, I think it's a good idea, maybe there's at least a rule that mentions.
"Whoever creates a topic on the gambling discussion board, if there has been enough discussion about gambling, please lock the topic, if it exceeds 3-5 pages, the topic will be locked".

For example: this topic.
Topic: The madness of gambling addicts.

I've already swallowed 116 pages about addiction and now that the topic is being brought up again, that's one thing.

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Quote from: Lucius on June 11, 2024, 09:18:45 AM

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Why are mod not locking long threads on the gambling board discussion anymore

How many topics have you personally reported without them being locked afterwards?

In most cases, mods work in relation to reports and not independently - if there are no reports, there is no action. In addition, let's imagine that someone locks only 30% of topics in Gambling, wouldn't there be a flood of complaints considering that 90% of sig campaigns are related to gambling?

I agree on both points. On the one hand I have sometimes reported threads in that section to be locked, as they were over 50 pages. The moderators acted but in the end I got tired of it.

And on the other hand, let's leave the gambling section as it is. As much as it may bother some people, it is the one that keeps this forum alive. If you want this to be a forum with no traffic and something more like a cemetery where someone goes to see Satoshi's grave, attack the section a lot.

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Why are mod not locking long threads on the gambling board discussion anymore

How many topics have you personally reported without them being locked afterwards?

In most cases, mods work in relation to reports and not independently - if there are no reports, there is no action. In addition, let's imagine that someone locks only 30% of topics in Gambling, wouldn't there be a flood of complaints considering that 90% of sig campaigns are related to gambling?

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Quote from: Helena Yu on June 11, 2024, 09:13:11 AM

And why it's only on gambling board? Huh

this should be done on every board without exception.

I agree and beyond boards mentioned by you, let look at Serious discussion board.

Read this board to find serious topics. I am serious that you will find many no value topics there and I really can not figure out why they created those topics in Serious Discussion board while they can do it in Bitcoin Discussion, Economics and other boards.

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And why it's only on gambling board? Huh

this should be done on every board without exception.

Spam is spam, other boards are also full of repetitive posts, see Economics (mostly talk about getting rich, money management and self motivation), Bitcoin Discussion (mostly talk about praising Bitcoin), Beginners & Help (mostly newbie ask for guide), Speculation (most people throwing their random number without any reason).

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Quote from: _act_ on June 11, 2024, 07:04:00 AM

What I knew about gambling discussion board before was that if a thread is going more than 5 pages already, moderator will lock the thread. It was kind of fun at the time.

I never knew any moderator does it in Gambling board because of threads go more than 5 pages. They can lock threads, move threads to Off-topic boards but not because 5 page threshold.

What I knew is some campaign managers don't count posts after page #5 like Best Change campaign. Some other campaign managers have their own definitions on Mega spam threads and their thresholds can be page 5, page 10, whatever they decide.

Quote from: Zlantann on June 11, 2024, 08:44:21 AM

Recently I observed that the moderators were moving some gambling threads to off-topic discussions in their bid to clean the board.

I support this react from moderators when some posters create non sense topics, to make sure their posts for campaigns are always in first pages and will always be counted by managers. It's creative adaption from spammers but moderators see this style and they reacted properly with their moderation.

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Quote from: _act_ on June 11, 2024, 07:04:00 AM

Please after page 3, why not locking the thread again on gambling board? It may no be done for all threads, but moderators can easily see some threads to lock instead of repetitive posts.

Recently I observed that the moderators were moving some gambling threads to off-topic discussions in their bid to clean the board. It brought some concerns to most gambling posters who were not comfortable with this move because it had some effect. Locking the thread immediately or after some pages might be a better alternative to moving threads to off-topic. Moderators could just lock threads they think are inappropriate so that people will stop commenting on them. It is better because posts that are moved to off-topic are not usually counted by campaign managers.

Quote from: Adbitco on June 11, 2024, 08:02:08 AM

To me I don't see it as spamming in fact if you must know locking such thread increase more spamming because anyone who wants to reply in that particular thread will likely go create another topic to continue that discussion in another way but without knowing it's same discussion that already been discussed out there. What I can plead with is to lock a thread after 10 pages, I think they won't be classified as mega thread.

There should be no benchmark for the number of pages that will be locked. There are some discussion which has exceeded ten pages but are still relevant. Discussion in such threads might still be educative or informative. I suggest that the moderator use there discretion and handle the situation in a case by case pattern. Let a thread be locked anytime the moderator deems suitable.

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Quote from: cabron on June 11, 2024, 08:35:01 AM

Quote from: Adbitco on June 11, 2024, 08:02:08 AM

To me I don't see it as spamming in fact if you must know locking such thread increase more spamming because anyone who wants to reply in that particular thread will likely go create another topic to continue that discussion in another way but without knowing it's same discussion that already been discussed out there. What I can plead with is to lock a thread after 10 pages, I think they won't be classified as mega thread.

Some threads deserve to be locked but Predictions/Discussion threads are very much active, updates like newer matches that are easier to be seen by the users who participated in these threads. We already have subscribed to these threads as its an ongoing discussion. If they are locked, the participants are just going to keep creating new threads for new matches.

But I agree it's easy to spam on those long threads which users who regularly participate should be encouraged to report.

Prediction and leagues thread are known to be mega thread and to me any thread that doesn't contain these criterion should be locked after pages, most times it good to leave those topics to reduce the rate at which newer topics are created. If I could recall correctly, there was a time creating new topics were jokes and people don't care to read the topic that other has created especially the newbies they regularly creates newer topics instead of to read already created topics maybe some ideas that they could be looking at may be found over there instead they are too lazy to read and just want someone to give them directly what they wants.

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It depends on the topic being discussed. Most of the long threads in the gambling board are for the major leagues that run for a full season. I think the English Premiership have the longest thread, two threads running concurrently yet the discussion is active and engaging. Indeed, events in these leagues are discussed daily until the season ends and there was never any case of post bursting. Therefore, I see the need of locking a thread with active discussion.

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Quote from: Adbitco on June 11, 2024, 08:02:08 AM

To me I don't see it as spamming in fact if you must know locking such thread increase more spamming because anyone who wants to reply in that particular thread will likely go create another topic to continue that discussion in another way but without knowing it's same discussion that already been discussed out there. What I can plead with is to lock a thread after 10 pages, I think they won't be classified as mega thread.

Some threads deserve to be locked but Predictions/Discussion threads are very much active, updates like newer matches that are easier to be seen by the users who participated in these threads. We already have subscribed to these threads as its an ongoing discussion. If they are locked, the participants are just going to keep creating new threads for new matches.

But I agree it's easy to spam on those long threads which users who regularly participate should be encouraged to report.

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Quote from: _act_ on June 11, 2024, 07:04:00 AM

What I knew about gambling discussion board before was that if a thread is going more than 5 pages already, moderator will lock the thread. It was kind of fun at the time.

Mods do not want to disrupt the mostly useless discussion Grin

, that is what I feel as most of it is spam. What they do now is declare a new thread not suitable for the board and move it to another, which I have seen & faced. It is very hard to question them, as my self-moderated thread was moved from the gambling discussion board because it was reported, which I found strange as a self-moderated thread can be only reported to the person who is the owner of it, when questioned.

Quote from: _act_ on June 11, 2024, 07:04:00 AM

If you read the first and second page of threads, they are mostly what can be considered as non spamming discussions because only very little spam that you will see. But if it is getting to the third page, the spam increase.

There are mostly topics related to sports that are being ignored by the mods and all of them are spam. It is a possibility that the admin of the forum does not want the mods to take care of those threads as they are being spammed by gambling signature participants. It should be the job of the BM to restrict such spamming and almost all BM are happy with the outcome from a big thread which is why mods do not want to close them.

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To me I don't see it as spamming in fact if you must know locking such thread increase more spamming because anyone who wants to reply in that particular thread will likely go create another topic to continue that discussion in another way but without knowing it's same discussion that already been discussed out there. What I can plead with is to lock a thread after 10 pages, I think they won't be classified as mega thread.

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Quote from: Upgrade00 on June 11, 2024, 07:25:28 AM

I agree that there are many threads there which should be locked but there shouldn't be a general rule that once a thread goes beyond 5 pages mods should lock it, that's automation, not moderation.

It was done like that in the past and it was not automation because moderators were doing it manually. Also that it is not necessarily mean the thread will get to the 5th page before it is locked. It can be locked at 3rd page or 10th page. I guess moderator stopped looking the thread for news threads of the kind not to be created just like Alpha Marine posted but they are still created.

Quote from: Alpha Marine on June 11, 2024, 07:32:59 AM

If you lock the threads then people would just create topics for posts that could be on one board.

I thought of this but I noticed that many threads on the gambling discussion board are similar and related to gambling addiction. The only ones that I think should be left are the mega threads like EPL, Bundesliga, Seria A discussion and others like that. Also few other ones like Gates of Olympus versus Sweet Bonanza and Casino companies' responsibilities to rehabilitation institutions can be left alone.

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This may be a good way to reduce spam, but what's the need of locking a thread that's still ongoing. Some threads are created for the duration of a sports season, so locking those threads after every certain number of pages would just increase the rate at which similar topics are created on the board. If you lock the threads then people would just create topics for posts that could be on one board.
Currently, if a topic that has been posted before is posted again by another user, the topic is usually locked, this way, all topic of the NBA, for example, goes to a topic created for NBA discussion, some with Euro, Premier League and so on.

Threads that are repeated are what I agree should be locked. If there are two threads for NBA discussion, the newer one should be locked, but locking every thread after 3 pages will just increase topics that should not be topics.

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I agree that there are many threads there which should be locked but there shouldn't be a general rule that once a thread goes beyond 5 pages mods should lock it, that's automation, not moderation.

There are many cases were threads rightly should be several pages long. Many of the top threads in the gambling board are recurrent discussions for seasons of different sports leagues, some have been active for many years and are still very relevant today.

If a thread has become a spam mega thread and serves no exact purpose anymore, report that for the mods to handle.

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What I knew about gambling discussion board before was that if a thread is going more than 5 pages already, moderator will lock the thread. It was kind of fun at the time.

If you read the first and second page of threads, they are mostly what can be considered as non spamming discussions because only very little spam that you will see. But if it is getting to the third page, the spam increase.

Some people will just enter the forum and read what someone on page 1 posted and quote it and what he will post at page 6 or 7 or more. What would have been posted repeatedly on page 1, 2, or 3. Some people will even be posting what they have posted before on another way.

Please after page 3, why not locking the thread again on gambling board? It may no be done for all threads, but moderators can easily see some threads to lock instead of repetitive posts.

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