Why are ppl so ignorant and stubborn when it comes to dice and referrals???

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on December 07, 2015, 08:49:36 PM

You guys are probably seeing this title and thinking im talking about spamming referrals but in fact i am not. I personally have offered 50/50 affiliate/referral cuts a couple times and havent had many ppl take me up on the offer and im having a hard time understanding why? Its surely not a trust issue on whether i will pay you or not cause lets face it, im pretty trusted on this forum.

If youre already gonna be playing dice anyways, why wouldnt you want to make some extra money? I just dont get it. Its like some of you people are saying i dont want any free money? Why the hell not? You are gambling to make money, why would you not want to make even more from the bets youre already placing?

Whales puzzle me even more cause they have the best shot at large money. Im willing to make better deals for whales if anyone take me up on a split. Ok im offering again PM me if you want to be on my referral list. I will give you my link. TAKE THE FREE MONEY GUYS

"Quite new on the referall system" (ate least in casinos, I usually only use them for sports betting), so what are you offering? You give me 50% of what you will get from the referall system?
Will you do that forever, and on what sites?

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Quote from: erwin45hacked on December 08, 2015, 06:31:48 AM

Only a few people understand about HE , provably fair and the other. The rest just love the site, that is why PD got lot more player since they started way back even there are lot of sites that offer less HE now

Not necessarily. Almost all the highrollers I ever got a chance to talk to know well about house edge, provably fair. Some are also deep into Bitcoin and its technical stuff. (I agree with the rest)

A typical highroller (not everyone of course. Only meaning many highrollers who repeatedly plays over significant a period of time) values trustworthiness, simplicity much more than a lower house edge. But they do see that the house edge is reasonable and they stick to what they are comfortable with and come back to where they had no issues since there have been scams and rogue sites around for years.

They believe luck is far more significant. They could profit much much more than what they would make from referral systems if the luck is on their side. (you can see that if someone gives weight to math etc. more than luck, he wouldn't play in the first place)

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Quote from: ndnh on December 08, 2015, 01:31:48 AM

Highrollers are not interested in affiliate cuts generally because the amounts they get back seem to be significantly smaller to them and not worth the effort.

If a highroller wagers 1000BTC on a dice site, he would likely win a lot or lose a lot.
If he does take the time to sign up using the link you give, he would be gaining 1000BTC * 1% * 10% * 50% = 0.5BTC.

Suppose he loses all his bankroll what is he going to do with 0.5BTC?
Suppose he wins a few hundred bitcoins, does it actually make a difference?

This is why highrollers tend to stick to 1% flat edge sites and does not leave to other sites like say Betterbets (which has a rakeback system) or Rollin (which has a levelling system and weekly wagered prizes). So they tend to stick with the site they are comfortable with which is why Primedice remains the market leader by large.

Another way of understanding it is, let us divide people into two, one who actually prefers a 0.7% house edge over 1% etc. and the one who is not. Highrollers beyond doubt falls into the latter category. The former consists of people ideally wouldn't bet in the first place because it is negative EV.

tl;dr Highrollers are generally insensitive to variations in (effective) house edge (to a level).

thats what I think.

your answer is totally correct cause whales don't care and they afraid to meet scammers, they will feel unhappy if their uplines won't pay them, it is one reason imo.

the other reason i cam up with is that nobody or a few guy is willing to be referrals cause they don't wanna let other people get free money, like me, i never wanna anyone makes money from my losses, i would feel my uplines wanna me lose money, feel weird.

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Quote from: JackpotRacer on December 08, 2015, 05:18:33 AM

I still don't understand why players are wagering on a dice site with HE of 1% when there are sites offering 0.1% HE Huh

the game is the same right?

It is because once someone loves the site then he will keep coming back to play. Only a few people understand about HE , provably fair and the other. The rest just love the site, that is why PD got lot more player since they started way back even there are lot of sites that offer less HE now

That can be the reason but when they are losing too much there, will they ever comeback again? What I know primedice is a oldest site that have a really trustworthy thats why most people are going there and most of them already stick around there. Some people are not even want to try the new site because they scare that will be some error to the script or something bad will happened. This is what I thought so far

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Quote from: krunox123 on December 08, 2015, 07:48:00 AM

I don't like to sign up under any referral links because one cannot profit by being your referral and I'd rather self referral because one can profit more through self referral. To be honest, I do this on some website.

I do the same as you do. instead of getting 50% from being someone else's referral i be my own referral and get 100%. yahoo you can get lot of referrals if you host some contest like person who bet x amount will get x prize?

I do the same thing on some places. And I`m already a member almost everywhere. How I can register now under someones referall.
I also think that lot of people wish to have their own referrals. I was thinking how to have it also, even to suggest some bonus from me in beggining ( not just sharing their profit). I try with few people I know on fb but nothing. So like many others I believe, I play also for myelf where it is possible.

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Quote from: krunox123 on December 08, 2015, 07:48:00 AM

I don't like to sign up under any referral links because one cannot profit by being your referral and I'd rather self referral because one can profit more through self referral. To be honest, I do this on some website.

I do the same as you do. instead of getting 50% from being someone else's referral i be my own referral and get 100%. yahoo you can get lot of referrals if you host some contest like person who bet x amount will get x prize?

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I don't know why they ignorant and stubborn I guess with gambling they become the true self.
That they are like that.

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I don't bite.

I don't like to sign up under any referral links because one cannot profit by being your referral and I'd rather self referral because one can profit more through self referral. To be honest, I do this on some website.

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Quote from: erwin45hacked on December 08, 2015, 06:31:48 AM

Quote from: JackpotRacer on December 08, 2015, 05:18:33 AM

I still don't understand why players are wagering on a dice site with HE of 1% when there are sites offering 0.1% HE Huh

the game is the same right?

It is because once someone loves the site then he will keep coming back to play. Only a few people understand about HE , provably fair and the other. The rest just love the site, that is why PD got lot more player since they started way back even there are lot of sites that offer less HE now

hi

could well be but it kills my mind

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Quote from: JackpotRacer on December 08, 2015, 05:18:33 AM

I still don't understand why players are wagering on a dice site with HE of 1% when there are sites offering 0.1% HE Huh

the game is the same right?

It is because once someone loves the site then he will keep coming back to play. Only a few people understand about HE , provably fair and the other. The rest just love the site, that is why PD got lot more player since they started way back even there are lot of sites that offer less HE now

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Quote from: ndnh on December 08, 2015, 01:31:48 AM

Highrollers are not interested in affiliate cuts generally because the amounts they get back seem to be significantly smaller to them and not worth the effort.

If a highroller wagers 1000BTC on a dice site, he would likely win a lot or lose a lot.
If he does take the time to sign up using the link you give, he would be gaining 1000BTC * 1% * 10% * 50% = 0.5BTC.

Suppose he loses all his bankroll what is he going to do with 0.5BTC?
Suppose he wins a few hundred bitcoins, does it actually make a difference?

This is why highrollers tend to stick to 1% flat edge sites and does not leave to other sites like say Betterbets (which has a rakeback system) or Rollin (which has a levelling system and weekly wagered prizes). So they tend to stick with the site they are comfortable with which is why Primedice remains the market leader by large.

Another way of understanding it is, let us divide people into two, one who actually prefers a 0.7% house edge over 1% etc. and the one who is not. Highrollers beyond doubt falls into the latter category. The former consists of people ideally wouldn't bet in the first place because it is negative EV.

tl;dr Highrollers are generally insensitive to variations in (effective) house edge (to a level).

thats what I think.

read this posting again and again because this is the right answer

I still don't understand why players are wagering on a dice site with HE of 1% when there are sites offering 0.1% HE Huh

the game is the same right?

edit: also Katerniko1 answer was correct that they will refer themselves

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Quote from: cancerbola on December 08, 2015, 04:41:26 AM

I think it's the same psychological thing as faucet referrals.
They're just jealous that other people can get money from them when they bet (or when claim from a faucet), leading them to feel that it's unfair, as the affiliate system is making the referrer some money without doing him/her anything. I personally don't mind getting reffed, as it doesn't affect what I earn.

well actually referrals is a win win situation for both but somehow those who always wan to sign up decided not to use the referral. one gd reason is that i dont know you so i dont have the need to benefit you. i got the link and i have no responsibilty to sign under you. unless u offer some attractive prizes like what some of u did.

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I think it's the same psychological thing as faucet referrals.
They're just jealous that other people can get money from them when they bet (or when claim from a faucet), leading them to feel that it's unfair, as the affiliate system is making the referrer some money without doing him/her anything. I personally don't mind getting reffed, as it doesn't affect what I earn.

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Most people don't like referrals, as it's a psychological thing. They do these moneymaking things so they can make money, if they know that there is a referral system that makes people earn without them working, they get jealous and don't want to help other people.

I haven't seen any stubbornness against dice sites; I think they're the most accepted type of gambling on this forum, to be honest.

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on December 07, 2015, 08:49:36 PM

You guys are probably seeing this title and thinking im talking about spamming referrals but in fact i am not. I personally have offered 50/50 affiliate/referral cuts a couple times and havent had many ppl take me up on the offer and im having a hard time understanding why? Its surely not a trust issue on whether i will pay you or not cause lets face it, im pretty trusted on this forum.

If youre already gonna be playing dice anyways, why wouldnt you want to make some extra money? I just dont get it. Its like some of you people are saying i dont want any free money? Why the hell not? You are gambling to make money, why would you not want to make even more from the bets youre already placing?

Whales puzzle me even more cause they have the best shot at large money. Im willing to make better deals for whales if anyone take me up on a split. Ok im offering again PM me if you want to be on my referral list. I will give you my link. TAKE THE FREE MONEY GUYS

The real question actually is are you refering to your own site or just a "site". If you are offering a "rakeback" on your own website then it is a really good deal. If you have a MP app and as a app owner you pay back 50% of what you get to the user. No reason why not to take it.

If you are speaking about other websites and them joining through your affiliate link. And then you give them 50% of what you make, then it is bottom line retarded. They just make their own referral accounts and play on those. Why settle for 50% when you can get 100%

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Quote from: Yakamoto on December 07, 2015, 11:22:11 PM

Quote from: ezeminer on December 07, 2015, 10:37:52 PM

I used to advertise faucets in my signature and 50/50 splits. Only had 7 people over 6 months sign up for freebitco.in

Funny to see people click it though. Had like 150 clicks.

People are just weird like that. I had a really interesting talk with a guy wanted to reverse bid on referrals.
People also are trying to look in their favor I guess, because the guy didn't instantly accept my 50/50 offer.
Link > Reverse referral bidding

I've watched people click my links for other sites, and I agree, there are tons of clicks but there are almost no signups from those clicks.

Referral bidding is certainly an... interesting(?) way to make money, but how do people actually earn money from using referral bidding, aside from the initial bid? How long do they operate for? Is it just until they get bored or get the equivalent of what they were paid, or are they locked into it? I see that, in the thread you mentioned, the guy said he is "active" with the program, but doesn't give much information aside from that.

And how is referral bidding, in your experience? Is it something worth getting into, or is it a fairly trivial thing to do?

The guy completely died off after 5 months. I had him hooked into the freedoge and had done small advance payments but after progress stopped.I stopped paying out.

Referral bidding is an interesting concept. This was one of the only cases I saw it, so I tried it.

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Highrollers are not interested in affiliate cuts generally because the amounts they get back seem to be significantly smaller to them and not worth the effort.

If a highroller wagers 1000BTC on a dice site, he would likely win a lot or lose a lot.
If he does take the time to sign up using the link you give, he would be gaining 1000BTC * 1% * 10% * 50% = 0.5BTC.

Suppose he loses all his bankroll what is he going to do with 0.5BTC?
Suppose he wins a few hundred bitcoins, does it actually make a difference?

This is why highrollers tend to stick to 1% flat edge sites and does not leave to other sites like say Betterbets (which has a rakeback system) or Rollin (which has a levelling system and weekly wagered prizes). So they tend to stick with the site they are comfortable with which is why Primedice remains the market leader by large.

Another way of understanding it is, let us divide people into two, one who actually prefers a 0.7% house edge over 1% etc. and the one who is not. Highrollers beyond doubt falls into the latter category. The former consists of people ideally wouldn't bet in the first place because it is negative EV.

tl;dr Highrollers are generally insensitive to variations in (effective) house edge (to a level).

thats what I think.

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I think what your asking to do is illegal thing. But still your blaming people not following your illegal activities. To get referrals you need to review the site properly to motivate people to join under you but not by begging or cheating site.

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I don't think this is legal or allowed on most casino's cause you are not referring people who are not known to it and earning from their wager which is also not known.But here you are making an agreement and sharing the profits, it would be same as self-referreral.
Either ways this won't work if both the player's know what provably fair is .

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Quote from: katerniko1 on December 07, 2015, 10:16:08 PM

damn bro...
did you ever heard about being self refferal xD
you go to some ip where you dont play (with your acc example:your friend) you make there account with your refferal link
and then you just play play play play play and then voila there is some nice bal in that account you go there and withdraw it Cheesy

why would anyone share 50/50 with you when he can get 100/0

>Magic>
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it makes sense but same ip accounts will be deleted or blocked in some sites, unless u use vpn with other accounts.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on December 07, 2015, 11:25:43 PM

Quote from: katerniko1 on December 07, 2015, 10:16:08 PM

damn bro...
did you ever heard about being self refferal xD
you go to some ip where you dont play (with your acc example:your friend) you make there account with your refferal link
and then you just play play play play play and then voila there is some nice bal in that account you go there and withdraw it Cheesy

why would anyone share 50/50 with you when he can get 100/0

>Magic>
regards.
-Katerniko1

I vote on this, plus all of you may have noticed that the air around here reeks of ignorance and paranoia and Tower-of-Babel-level misunderstandings. It shouldn't shock you that the kids don't all pile into your sandbox.

pure truth spoken even i do this on some sites but only when im going to deposit some bigger amount and play with it
regards.
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Quote from: katerniko1 on December 07, 2015, 10:16:08 PM

damn bro...
did you ever heard about being self refferal xD
you go to some ip where you dont play (with your acc example:your friend) you make there account with your refferal link
and then you just play play play play play and then voila there is some nice bal in that account you go there and withdraw it Cheesy

why would anyone share 50/50 with you when he can get 100/0

>Magic>
regards.
-Katerniko1

I vote on this, plus all of you may have noticed that the air around here reeks of ignorance and paranoia and Tower-of-Babel-level misunderstandings. It shouldn't shock you that the kids don't all pile into your sandbox.

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Quote from: ezeminer on December 07, 2015, 10:37:52 PM

I used to advertise faucets in my signature and 50/50 splits. Only had 7 people over 6 months sign up for freebitco.in

Funny to see people click it though. Had like 150 clicks.

People are just weird like that. I had a really interesting talk with a guy wanted to reverse bid on referrals.
People also are trying to look in their favor I guess, because the guy didn't instantly accept my 50/50 offer.
Link > Reverse referral bidding

I've watched people click my links for other sites, and I agree, there are tons of clicks but there are almost no signups from those clicks.

Referral bidding is certainly an... interesting(?) way to make money, but how do people actually earn money from using referral bidding, aside from the initial bid? How long do they operate for? Is it just until they get bored or get the equivalent of what they were paid, or are they locked into it? I see that, in the thread you mentioned, the guy said he is "active" with the program, but doesn't give much information aside from that.

And how is referral bidding, in your experience? Is it something worth getting into, or is it a fairly trivial thing to do?

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I used to advertise faucets in my signature and 50/50 splits. Only had 7 people over 6 months sign up for freebitco.in

Funny to see people click it though. Had like 150 clicks.

People are just weird like that. I had a really interesting talk with a guy wanted to reverse bid on referrals.
People also are trying to look in their favor I guess, because the guy didn't instantly accept my 50/50 offer.
Link > Reverse referral bidding

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damn bro...
did you ever heard about being self refferal xD
you go to some ip where you dont play (with your acc example:your friend) you make there account with your refferal link
and then you just play play play play play and then voila there is some nice bal in that account you go there and withdraw it Cheesy

why would anyone share 50/50 with you when he can get 100/0

>Magic>
regards.
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Quote from: subSTRATA on December 07, 2015, 09:34:14 PM

i think its more of a psychological thing; as most of the people on here are children mentally, they probably think of signing up under your referral as 'working under you' or something to that effect, and can't handle that thought of being inferior by being referred as to being the referrer or something. some people are pretty stupid here ya know. id take you up on the offer personally, but i dont touch dice for obvious reasons.

Thats quite possible man. It just puzzels me with the excuses i hear personally.

Today i got this excuse"im too lazy to make a new account" Are you kidding me??? You dont want free money for 2 minutes of your time?

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i think its more of a psychological thing; as most of the people on here are children mentally, they probably think of signing up under your referral as 'working under you' or something to that effect, and can't handle that thought of being inferior by being referred as to being the referrer or something. some people are pretty stupid here ya know. id take you up on the offer personally, but i dont touch dice for obvious reasons.

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You guys are probably seeing this title and thinking im talking about spamming referrals but in fact i am not. I personally have offered 50/50 affiliate/referral cuts a couple times and havent had many ppl take me up on the offer and im having a hard time understanding why? Its surely not a trust issue on whether i will pay you or not cause lets face it, im pretty trusted on this forum.

If youre already gonna be playing dice anyways, why wouldnt you want to make some extra money? I just dont get it. Its like some of you people are saying i dont want any free money? Why the hell not? You are gambling to make money, why would you not want to make even more from the bets youre already placing?

Whales puzzle me even more cause they have the best shot at large money. Im willing to make better deals for whales if anyone take me up on a split. Ok im offering again PM me if you want to be on my referral list. I will give you my link. TAKE THE FREE MONEY GUYS

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