Topic: "Why aren’t we earning enough to live?" – The Divide lays bare global inequality (Read 1841 times)

That is one part of it. But not the only change that is needed. Maybe not even the major change like he said. 99% of a person's labor won't be for himself if he is working in this system. It will go to the people who own and manage the work place. Who own the equipment and what produces that equipment. Inequality won't disappear immediately. Bitcoin or not. Taxes will still exist. Maybe will work a bit different but that is it. And so will the rest.
 

I need to stop complaining, and become Amish.   

perfectly completely agreed.. if nobody control our money, we -whole humankind_ will be rich but some brutal forces want us to be their slave so they dont let us control our own money ..

Maybe. A lot less inequality too. And maybe a better economy. Since there wouldn't as much money removed from the real economy being used in gambling by banks. But there are easier ways to do this and with longer lasting effects. No need for a one time redistribution like that.

Was actually thinking about this when I was loading my hummingbird feeder. These buggers drink sugar water all day and my girlfriend stated that in a hundred years they could find we where actually killing them from diabetes and will look back like we where morons.

For every one to live we need to eliminate two issues,one being money and the second would be religion. As long as both are around we will have fights over every aspect of life as people rub their pennies or they kill in the name of!

In a distant future when the nations of the world are not spending trillions (!!) Every year (!!!) For weapons the kids will laugh about us idiots from the past in their history classes.

A wise guy said once, if you share all money equally to the world, after 5 years there will still be rich and poor.
I think you can't stop poverty anytime, you have to spend money to education and limit and check birth control.

good americans? the ones who aren't immigrants look like radical feminists and trannies to me. don't confuse modern leftists with the leftists of 100 years ago who stood for something and were willing to fight and die for their cause.

People will work those jobs. Some will create a few more before automation gets them too. The rest will be slaves competing with machines. Or not being able to compete will go to the middle of the woods or something and start over. Or try to but will always be under the control of the elites. Society will be split between most people living a backward life in squalor and a few places where the ultra rich and their servants live. Or we can change society. Maybe have something like universal basic income to start. Or promote cooperatives or codetermination.

Just reading peoples individual philosophies here that are American you can feel a pretty good divide in what people think is fair and just.
This $15 a hour wage issue is also in Canada and the companies are all crying that this and the crack down on temporary foreign workers will kill a lot of industries.
The front story was bemoaning not having enough cooks this summer to fill the void of old workers retiring. Seems like a ploy to get the TFW back to what it was before people twigged to it.

The day we do not have to work has to be coming around the corner as we break grounds at more rapid pace. The physical labor will almost be next to nil in(guessing) 2 generations.
So then what?

I don't think the riots would come from minorities. I've seen a few pics of people demonstrating against Trump, and they weren't dark-skinned hoodlums. They looked like pretty good Americans to me. They were leftists for sure, but they were not muslim immigrants fresh from the boat.

The riots I'm fearing would be more like some kind of a civil war.

good. riots are better recruiters than people like me posting shit on politics forums that only people who agree with me or strongly disagree and will never change their minds until their daughter is raped by a group of muslims will read. average joe needs to get affected by something to jolt him into action. by rioting and committing their crimes out in the open the undesirables identify themselves as threats to the rest of the population and solidify popular opinion behind trump's popular nationalism. black lives matter vandals and illegal aliens are easy to suppress and a few broken windows are far preferable to the current death by slow poisoning that goes unnoticed until the final moment when its too late to do anything about it.

This all stems from our Provincial government needing money and deciding the best tactic to balance the book was to sell out to the Chinese. So they allow them to inflate the real estate and run locals out of the city in the process. There are a lot of houses now sitting empty that rot because the land is worth more. Take my townhouse for one its valued low
and I expect it to jump soon at 480K the actual townhouse is worth 30K without the land that is divided between 140 people.
Have a friend in a area that was mostly Russian and Scottish 15 years ago that is mostly Chinese now and She watched her townhouse go up 70K in 2 months.
Its just parking money for them and the actual house means nothing as long as the market maintains or keeps climbing.
If my place jumps to 600K I am selling and moving farther North where I can still work but my money will go so much longer. Lot of people my age have already left.

The only people who have pure hearts are those who have believed in Jesus salvation, and have washed their sins away in His blood, shed on the cross. Jesus tells these people to continually obey the two greatest laws... love God above all things, and love their neighbor as themselves. All the rest of the laws hang on these two great ones.

We don't know why those people built their mansions and left them. The articles about it seem to indicate that the mansions were only some kind of catalyst to making greater wealth, and leaving them was the way to secure that wealth.

@Evildrum
Yes, I was talking to you as you suggested I should talk to people who migrated, well I did. So I know very well my motivations, and those of most migrants. I've seen French people complaining they were barely making enough to survive because they were only getting minimum wage, and I've seen Hungarian people who were happier with a minimum wage which is a third of France...

The "No Borders" movement is still active in Calais, France, to help Afghans, Syrians and other people cross the channel. There are also quite many local people volunteering by giving food or providing various kind of help. I've been in Calais, I've seen all that, and I was very surprised.



I'm afraid there would be riots in every big American city if trump wins presidency.

Cause people make a living by supplying stuff for the others live. And that is given either be the giver or supplier or both.

Well I just thought that the law have nothing to do with the pure heart. Well those poor people who built mansions and left them realize that wealth is not more important than morality. Well it is good to be rich but in a good way.

Okay whats mind boggling to that story is the chinese tycoon girl is still alive.

So I dont see why the title is "chopped up into 100 pieces", making me think the house was left alone due to a death cause.

The writer should re-do the headline or something.. I just saw her instagram with her baby photos since shes busy being a fulltime mom.

Edit: Nevermind its one of the dads in the photo apparently that got chopped up.

Perhaps. But think about the info in my post, above.

Many of the people who built those mansions that are abandoned, were poor. Then they figured out ways to be rich. Then they became so rich that the mansions were useless to them, and it wasn't even worth the time for them to sell them. So they left them.

You can do the same thing. Anybody can if he wants to figure out the way to do it. If the law is changed, you will not have your chance to do it anymore.

So, what do you want? A pure heart or wealth? Let those with hearts that aren't pure have their wealth. You go and figure out how to have wealth in a way that is right, so you keep your pure heart along with your riches. If the laws change, you won't have this opportunity.

That is the reason why I always think and say that the world is so unfair. The world does not belong to rich. Their riches and wealth have nothing to do. The world only belong to those who have pure hearts. How can this rich getting richer and poor became poorer. The law must need to change for justice.

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The one major reason why we aren't earning enough is, we use money controlled by others. Let nobody control the money - like Bitcoin - and we all will move out of poverty into wealth. Why? With all the modern equipment available these days, if a person's labor was 99% for himself, he would be able to get by as he is living now on less than half the work he is doing now.

according to scientist its a way for surviving, its mean that if we gather more and more resources then we are gong to live longer than the others
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Your observation is very precise, the illuminati controls most of the world's economy.

politicians can't defy the popular will indefinitely, sooner or later there is going to be a backlash and the traitors will be held to account, if trump and brexit fall through things maybe have to get a little worse and then it will be something else but it will happen

There are some areas of this conversation that seem to be branching off topic and not sure if the "I dont need to talk to anyone" is in reference to me or that you answer to no one because you are illegal! Wanted to get to the meat of why you think people are happy barely getting by but I guess you do not want to address this aspect.
The part about you being illegal does nothing to validate the stance imo because you can be a illegal in many areas of the world and still have a better life than the Countries you referenced in the first reply.

The reply to Saddmapbuh is interesting though,I think there is a drive to make borders less of a factor and remember a group in my neck of the woods called "No one Is Illegal" and they tended to be the same people that where in the environmental movement. The irony was a lot of them where on welfare so they could bus around and
protest all day long and have these sit ins. That movement has disappeared from my radar though because I think the public is very strong on protecting what is theirs and not being overrun with cheaper labour. Protectionism is very high and racism usually follows at times like that as well as people look to blame other groups for the state of things.
Europe has done some what of a job of deleting these borders but at the same time you have the U.K making Canada and USA requirements to carry visas in the future.
Maybe a little push back,will have to see.

I don't need to talk to anyone, as I'm an immigrant. Fully undocumented, and proud to be so. I don't have the right to work, nor to have a bank account in the country I'm staying (not planning to stay long, though), and yet I live! I guess I could get the right to work, but I'm not interested. Better be illegal so I don't have to pay tax.



It's too late. Borders are paper walls which will totally disappear within a few years. Somehow yet, I agree with you. You should blame all the politicians from the past 50 years, but concort yourself wih the idea that people are not exchangeable. You cannot just replace a British butler with a Somalian one, and that goes for most low-paying jobs.

i think the reason of not gaining enough money for our living is greedy rich people.. these rich ones cant feel satisfied if they have 60%  of world's walfare.. they just want to suck poor people blood and get richer and richer day by day..

yeah. that's right. some people even don't feel enough to have much money, they want to get more and more, and sometimes do any way to get richer. they don't realize that money can bring disadvantages too.

There is an easy way to deal with outsourcing. Would also help a lot with inequality. It isn't very radical and has many test cases already. Cooperatives and codetermination for example. If the people that work in a company have a say in how it runs they won't ship their jobs somewhere else. They won't use the company to pollute the city their family lives in so they can make more money. They won't pay a huge amount to one or two people and leave the rest with minimum wage. Etc.

its easy for people with degrees and high paying jobs to make these sorts of comments. has it occurred to you that workers in developed countries don't want to compete with desperate third worlders who are willing to work for a place to sleep and a protein deficient diet that barely keeps them alive? our ancestors didn't sacrifice for hundreds of years to build up our countries so that everything could be shut down within a generation and outsourced to the third world so some kike shareholder can add another zero to his bank balance. cheap imports must be blocked and unskilled immigrants must be expelled.

When you say men are you meaning both sexes because I do not understand the point if you are selecting a sex to drive the point. Will presume you mean humans unless you address that part.

You can not compare a third world persons plight with some one in a Country like the States and say they are happy making peanuts. They are not happy,its just what life offers them and the only way to change that is leaving that Country for a better future. You should talk to more people that migrated for a better life and you might understand the issues with people making barely enough to survive. Its actually kind of gross to think that we should all be happy with that kind of exsistence. Maybe you can clarify this view point as it does seem quite unique.

^ world isn't going to end in a couple of decades. We can do something about climate change. If we want to. But it's true that we will probably have to deal with many problems we could have avoided.


The problem is with the system. A few rich people being generous helps but isn't enough. Companies are made to have profit. If a ceo decides to do the right thing and sacrifices profits some other company won't. And will probably take the lead and the ceo is replaced. The whole system needs to be changed.

we are already doomed as a species due to global warming IMO , i dont know why people are saving up and protecting their assets as if the world isnt going to end in 10-20 years time.

Not really. Those working poors don't pay the taxes others pay to the IRS. They might pay VAT and other things though. Depending on how high vat tax is you can imagine what they could have in the pocket instead.

But even if they would have... the only result would be that companies then think "Let's drop the wages the same percent. We will still find workers and we can outcompete competition. Well, in fact they will do it slowly and in steps... just so much that the workers don't leave.

So what's wrong? Ive never understood how some people have the belief that men are a superior species, with the right to everything they please on the planet, and that they should be entitled to a nice house, a beautiful car, and a good standard of living. If the people shown in that documentary don't like their lives, they're millions who are willing to exchange their lives with them. In Bulgaria, minimum wage is $300 per month. In Ethiopia, there's no such thing as minimum wage, but people are happy to work 48 hours per week to get $100 at the end of the month, and they live in a place that a American wouldn't call a house, without running water.

How about India? I guess it's the country where the economical divide is the largest.

Well, most people who has no responsibility to feed someone can earn enough to live and buy the things he/she desire. But if someone gets a wife/husband, and kids, well you have to put them first because first of all they are your responsibility now. That's when people don't earn enough for themselves. They forget that they also have their own needs.

Inequality is good from economic standpoint. It drives consumption and production.
"he have X, I need it to" The problem in my opinion is somewhere else.
It is distribution of goods among society.
100 years ago fresh fish was a rare and valuable thing (inland) because of storage problem.
Now with existence of fridge and quick transport fish should be cheep as dirt, it is not.
Why? High cost of employment (minimum wages, taxes) causes not natural price escalation
for the manufacturers, they pay fisherman a little, and even less for the workers. They pay big
tax (income) and earn to much, out of scale. One person is getting super rich where others
that do the dirty work suffer.
This can not be regulated by law, it will be a failure. Change has to happen in people.
Just like nissan CEO's gave up their salary when company was in trouble, they have saved the brand
and managed to storm the market with GTR. Some sacrifices from the rich world have to be made at their own will. Otherwise we are doomed as a species. Not to mention that cosmos won't conquer it self

I dont quite believe this to be honest. Human's are naturally friendly individuals. If another human drowns on a beach its likely that the surrounding humans will try and help them. The problem with humanity is that the economic system is the polar opposite of what human beings really are like. And is run by socipaths who dont give a fuck about the common man

Have noticed a increase in homeless people in my area and if you talk to them or observe then they tend to suffer from mental health. But I sometimes wonder if thats something that grows with social isolation.
Anyways more on point...The bubble will burst and we will most likely go back to living for our lords in shacks. Do not see the rich giving up what they have to balance the world out. Least not for a few more generations.

Most people are earning enough for themselves. It's when you add those 2-3 kids that their math falls short.

the reason of the question is GREED, all human is greedy its in our blood, the one that makes the differences is just the level of greediness

according to scientist its a way for surviving, its mean that if we gather more and more resources then we are gong to live longer than the others

One reason. It's called taxes. Dump taxes and do barter instead of money.

"Why aren’t we earning enough to live?" – how The Divide lays bare global inequality

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/apr/11/the-divide-inequality-documentary-katharine-round

<< The documentary film reveals the toxic social divisions caused by low pay for US and UK workers. (...) The finished film gives moving portraits of the lives of seven people, five in the US and two in the UK, illustrating how economic division creates another division socially, with dangerous consequences for everyone. Its scope is ambitious, looking back over 35 years at the political and economic decisions that have caused the widening divide. The film races from person to person, from one side of the Atlantic to the other, giving sharp snapshots of the problems people encounter as they scrape along in economically divided nations. The documentary attempts to answer the teasing question in the film's subtitle: "What happens when the rich get richer?" >>