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Topic: Why Coinbase Admitted Apple Calls The Shots (Read 78 times)

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February 25, 2022, 08:38:30 PM
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This is just my hunch for the headline but I feel like Coinbase said that because they want to get on the good side of Apple and Apple has a user base that's definitely richer than most people since it's the go-to for socialites and social climbers alike for it's ease of use. I could agree with your second part that big tech are predatory because it's true, they want to monopolize, that's why Elon and Bezos are doing a Space Race.
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February 25, 2022, 08:32:46 PM
#5
....where microsoft is known to have deliberately sabotaged OpenGL performance on windows platforms, in order to push their own competing technology Direct X.

MSFT doing stuff like that goes back to the beginning of time. Or at least PCs From: https://raywoodcockslatest.wordpress.com/2021/06/09/dos-lotus/
Similar to how star wars and comic book films were influenced by their disney parent company, once they were bought out.

I'll let Homer Simpson sum that up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVd0-ka1Brk

But seriously, Star Wars / Marvel / etc. with Disney all comes down to money, I don't think anyone thinks any differently. They go with what is going to generate the largest profit and if it changes the core story a bit or a lot so be it.

I actually see both sides of it. Part of me really does not like the way some things have been changed, another part of me knows that some other projects would not get made if they could not get enough money out of them.

Back to BTC & crypto. Apple & Google are all about making the money. If they have to do things in their stores to help that along it's going to happen. If Coinbase has to adapt they will. People have been complaining about that for years.
But, I always find it funny when you see these people running around saying that they can't get the app they just wrote in the the Apple app store, and they are going to call their lawyer on their iPhone while writing a letter on their MacBook and listening to music on the AirPods. Yeah, Apple is going to take you seriously....

-Dave
legendary
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February 25, 2022, 05:06:22 PM
#4
The only thing I can really come up with is "and so what?"
Apple / Google have always controlled what is in their stores. (Although with Google you could for the most part always install anything you want)

Just because it's virtual does not make it any different then shopping at WalMart.
If WalMart says to be sold in our stores you must follow those rules you have to follow them. Same with Amazon.

Articles like this are really nothing but clickbait at it's worst. Rambling shit that talks about nothing.

-Dave




I agree with you that the author didn't do the best job writing this piece. But that's more or less standard today where truth and facts are lower priority than narratives.

In recent times, we have seen writers fired for writing negative reviews.

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Rolling Stone fired a writer over his bad Hootie and the Blowfish review

https://boingboing.net/2015/04/06/rolling-stone-fired-a-writer-o.html

Sponsors and advertisements of publications exert a powerful influence upon the content that is written. Even going so far as to get writers fired for publishing content they do not approve of.

The same precedent applies to large corporations like google and apple who run app stores. They can exert influence on crypto exchanges like binance and coinbase in exchange for carrying their mobile apps.

Similar to how star wars and comic book films were influenced by their disney parent company, once they were bought out.

If developers and end users of tokens and coins wish to retain their independence and be truly decentralized, it could help to identify these centralized methods of control and devise methods to circumvent them.

The general public didn't realize how much influence spotify could exert over Joe Rogan's podcast until recently. These types of connections and business relationships do matter to some small extent.

Especially in the tech industry where microsoft is known to have deliberately sabotaged OpenGL performance on windows platforms, in order to push their own competing technology Direct X. The tech sector has a long history of abusing these relationships any way they can. That's the message I hoped people would get from this.
legendary
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February 25, 2022, 03:25:40 PM
#3
The only thing I can really come up with is "and so what?"
Apple / Google have always controlled what is in their stores. (Although with Google you could for the most part always install anything you want)

Just because it's virtual does not make it any different then shopping at WalMart.
If WalMart says to be sold in our stores you must follow those rules you have to follow them. Same with Amazon.

Articles like this are really nothing but clickbait at it's worst. Rambling shit that talks about nothing.

-Dave
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February 25, 2022, 04:59:13 AM
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No matter it's Apple Store, Google Play or Microsoft Store. They do check the applications - some more often than the others, as we know - and if they find anything they don't like in that application, they take it down.
It's the same as in any moderation: some rules are 100% clear, some others may be somewhat fuzzy. The company I've been working at some years ago had an application removed from Apple store and it took quite some time (after removing the culprit feature) until it was re-accepted.
I guess that Coinbase will be super careful to avoid any virtual issues, since most probably each day of not being on Apple store would cost them big bucks.

Of course, most users are not aware of this and of course, it's also easier to blame others for this and that Wink
I also think that bitcoin users and especially the Americans do overrate Coinbase.


PS: "Cryptocurrency has relied on points of centralization since the days of Mt. Gox." <-- you don't see anything wrong with this statement?! (I do.)
legendary
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February 24, 2022, 06:16:00 PM
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Mainstream adoption means being listed in the App Store

One of Web3’s benefits, according to boosters such as Jack Dorsey, is that it’s censorship-resistant. Because it is decentralized, this argument goes, it is impossible to censor anyone. But it isn’t true that cryptocurrency is decentralized. Right now, Web3 has a choke point: Big Tech.

Cryptocurrency has relied on points of centralization since the days of Mt. Gox. (That hack wouldn’t have mattered nearly as much if Mt. Gox hadn’t been processing 80 percent of all transaction volume in Bitcoin at times). As the ecosystem has expanded, so have the points of centralization, such as AWS and Google Cloud.

One problem with cryptocurrency is that the technology is fairly user-hostile, at least to normal users of the internet. And so centralized services have sprung up for the non-technical, such as Coinbase, OpenSea, Metamask, VeVe, and Rarible. Meanwhile, mainstream payment apps — Venmo, PayPay, and so on — have added cryptocurrency capabilities. This is likely how the general public will get involved with crypto, assuming they do so at all. These services may also be used by people who do understand cryptocurrency since even the savvy may appreciate user-friendly interfaces and protection from scams.

To get to these apps, users will go through the Google and Apple app stores. So if those centralized ways of accessing cryptocurrency want to stay in Apple’s and Google’s app stores, well, functionally, Apple and Google will be setting the terms of content moderation for Web3.

For the purposes of this piece, I am going to focus on Apple because I didn’t sit through the Epic Games v. Apple antitrust trial for nothing. (Epic Games v. Google has not yet taken place; when it does, I imagine we’ll get much more clarity about the Google store.) Apple’s public relations team did not respond to requests for comment.

As Coinbase CEO Brian Armstrong wrote on February 4th, “For any app to be listed in the Apple and Google App Stores, it needs to play by the rules of those two companies.” That means that whatever Apple and Google decide as their content policy, Coinbase will follow, Armstrong says. “Our approach is to be free speech supporters, but not free speech martyrs.” (Emphasis his.) So if a “critical partner” such as Apple or Google objects to something and requires its removal, Coinbase will remove it. Coinbase’s head of policy communications, Ian Plunkett, declined to comment for this story.

This position has been signaled before. In June 2020, a few employees walked out of work because they wanted an immediate response from Armstrong to the Black Lives Matter protests. Armstrong ultimately did post his support for BLM to Twitter, though those tweets have since been deleted. The following September, Armstrong made a blog post limiting political discussions at work.

In his September 2020 post, Armstrong describes the move as “mission focused.” After the departures, he noted in an email that “[w]e have just made a decision to not engage in broader activism as a company outside of our mission.” (How Coinbase’s attempts at a PAC fit with this framework of ideas is unclear to me.) He offered severance to anyone who objected, which wound up being about 5 percent of its employees. Clearly included in the company’s values were the notions that “broader societal issues” and “political causes” were minimally important.

This is fairly consistent with ceding moderation decisions to Apple — if you squint. Free speech maximalism is, after all, a political cause and thus on Coinbase’s “minimally important” list. One reason that Coinbase has stuck around as long as it has — while competitors have toppled — is pragmatism.

We have some sense of how Apple will moderate Web3 because we already know how it moderates in its little “walled garden”:

  • Apple booted Parler, a conservative social media site, for insufficient moderation. It was allowed to return after it changed its moderation practices. Google and Amazon did the same.
  • In Apple’s defense against Epic Games’ antitrust case, Apple argued Epic’s game store couldn’t appear in Apple’s ecosystem because some games within it — which Apple declined to describe because they were “not appropriate for us to speak in federal courts” — were “both offensive and sexualized.” Also during the trial, Apple’s highly paid attorneys suggested that a naked banana should not appear in court due to nudity. (The judge in the case later ruled that naked bananas are courtroom-appropriate.)
  • “If you want to criticize a religion, write a book.”
  • Apple declared war on Wordle clones.
  • Plus, there’s the time Apple rejected Google search from its App Store in 2012 because “these apps need to give you the ability to use your choice of maps, not their version only.” Apple had released its competitor Apple Maps less than four months before. (In fact, Apple feels strongly about not featuring its competitors in the App Store.)
    The blockchain has an inherent moderation problem: it’s immutable. So if someone encodes a text string that contains a URL for a website that, for instance, contains child porn, the text string is there forever. Extracting that data requires effort and technical ability, and the linked-to website itself might go down, but the text string remains. It’s also possible to harass people on the blockchain in messages that can’t be altered or deleted, though some level of technical ability is required for this also.

So Apple’s moves are perhaps less of a problem for pure cryptocurrency and more of a problem for NFTs, an area Coinbase is planning to get into this year. Nudity in an NFT? That’s a problem for anyone who displays the NFT and also wants to appear in the Apple App Store. I mean, we already know that the fine folks of Apple are terrified of naked bananas. God forbid they see an actual human titty.

What’s more, Apple can say what currencies it’s willing to support transactions in, and that’s trouble for companies that want to take payments in, for instance, Ethereum.

Fortunately for crypto enthusiasts, Apple has a pretty good incentive to let crypto apps — some, at least — stay in its App Store. One reason you can’t buy a Kindle e-book through the iPhone app is that Apple takes a 30 percent cut of any digital goods sold in apps that appear in its store. This means that anyone trying to buy an NFT — inarguably a digital good — through an iOS app is likely going to pay a premium since app designers can simply pass the charge along to users rather than sacrificing their own cut. (Amazon has chosen not to take this path, which is why you still can’t buy a Kindle e-book on the iPhone app).

The flip side here is that Apple can turn the faucet off at any time. Display an NFT titty? You might be out. Try to bilk Apple out of its cut? You’re definitely out.

Coinbase’s content moderation capitulation here is understandable: Apple, Google, and even Amazon are going to run the show if you’re trying to make Web3 a mass-market technology. Collectively, this group owns the stores where your app appears, the cloud servers you use for your service, the operating systems, and the devices. Say whatever you like about the distributed future of Web3, but for the time being, centralized Big Tech is going to continue calling the shots.


https://www.theverge.com/22939290/web3-coinbase-apple-moderation-nfts


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Interesting point here:

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As Coinbase CEO Brian Armstrong wrote on February 4th, “For any app to be listed in the Apple and Google App Stores, it needs to play by the rules of those two companies.” That means that whatever Apple and Google decide as their content policy, Coinbase will follow, Armstrong says. “Our approach is to be free speech supporters, but not free speech martyrs.” (Emphasis his.) So if a “critical partner” such as Apple or Google objects to something and requires its removal, Coinbase will remove it. Coinbase’s head of policy communications, Ian Plunkett, declined to comment for this story.

There appear to be two conflicting narratives in the media.

  • Big tech is responsible and trustworthy, we can rely on them to decide the direction and business model of cryptocurrency exchanges like coinbase
  • Big tech is a predatory and exploitive sector of the US economy which requires tighter constraints and oversight

It is interesting to note that other crypto exchanges like binance also have their mobile application in google and apple app stores.

In past years apple is known to have banned adobe flash support from its products in order to push its own chosen multimedia codec and agenda.

Is it possible that alternatives to google and apple app stores can be found to remove the influence big tech corporations like apple have on cryptocurrency exchange policy.
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