Why did Ethereum suffer from DoS but Bitcoin not?

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Quote from: alyssa85 on December 11, 2016, 02:11:40 PM

Bitcoin has been ddosed plenty of times in the past. Here is an article from 2013 about an attack:

http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-network-recovering-from-ddos-attack/

Gavin Andreesen cleaned up a lot of the code to close down exploits - bitcoin owes him a lot.

"As bugs were fixed, messy code tidied up, and new features added, most of what Nakamoto wrote disappeared.
Under one-third of Nakamoto’s code still remains. “He was a brilliant coder, but it was quirky,” says Andresen."

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/527051/the-man-who-really-built-bitcoin/

And Vitalik is not even a professional Dev, more like the "Chief Scientist" of the Ethereum Project...
Ethereum was financed with $18 million of which about 50% was spent on elite coders under deadlines...
And they delivered a working platform which, after a dozen hard forks, has more Devs working on it than Bitcoin.

There is a lot to be said for delivering a working platform in a few months...
NXT, STEEM and others were very focused and delivered... MAID and AMP have failed to deliver anything usable.

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Bitcoin has been ddosed plenty of times in the past. Here is an article from 2013 about an attack:

http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-network-recovering-from-ddos-attack/

Gavin Andreesen cleaned up a lot of the code to close down exploits - bitcoin owes him a lot.

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I think it is the value of each coin, Bitcoin is $770 while Ethereum is $8.50 at the time of writing so to try to D-dos Bitcoin will be expensive and also there are a lot of miners supporting Bitcoin network

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Just know they have Different security and did you know what ether has have many contenders on Altcoin Cheesy

this is just my opinion but afaik Bitcoin sometimes get DDos too.

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Quote from: Red Fish on December 08, 2016, 10:27:40 AM

Bitcoin is more technically developed than ETH,

Both has had the active dev.

Quote from: Red Fish on December 08, 2016, 10:27:40 AM

therefore ETH suffer from DoS.

Are there a chance for another platform wasn't suffering Ddos?

Quote from: Red Fish on December 08, 2016, 10:27:40 AM

Plus Bitcoin blockchain & main Web wallet have a lot of users, who all pay network fee, so IT level is higher - Blockchain can pay, ETH can not.

Totally your end sentences weren't making sense.

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ETH is not token only blockchain, the attack vector is waaaaaaay bigger, I have serious doubts about the scability of the project, but its something worth watching and learn about

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Bitcoin is more technically developed than ETH, therefore ETH suffer from DoS. Plus Bitcoin blockchain & main Web wallet have a lot of users, who all pay network fee, so IT level is higher - Blockchain can pay, ETH can not.

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Quote from: g2com on December 08, 2016, 03:55:51 AM

Quote from: CjMapope on December 07, 2016, 09:41:25 PM

Quote from: mining1 on December 06, 2016, 03:58:25 PM

Ethereum suffered from ddos because it had some mispriced operations, which was fixed. Ofc it can still be ddosed but that would be extremely expensive. About bitcoin, what makes you think it was never ddosed ? Ever bothered to google for it ?

right. THIS time. the big problem OP is that ETH is what they call "turing complete" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_completeness
This is MUCH more complicated than BTCs code, and much more untested. This leads to constant exploits being discovered in ETH.
SOME would say it was bound to happen, but only those familiar with how much of how complicated being "turing complete" was :/
most of us did not.

Ethereum's "Turing Complete" means it can do everything Bitcoin can plus loop, correct? I think Ethereum limits stack depth to no more than 1024 so there would be no possibility of creating an infinite loop.

pretty much, tho i admit i would fall on my face to attempt to go into more details myself ;p
ETH uses Solidarity, a "serpent language" basically created just for ETH, its capable of things (good and bad) that i'm sure we don't even know yet Cheesy

https://github.com/ethereum/wiki/wiki/Serpent
running a full ETH node to this day scares me, i keep it on polo haha

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Quote from: CjMapope on December 07, 2016, 09:41:25 PM

Quote from: mining1 on December 06, 2016, 03:58:25 PM

Ethereum suffered from ddos because it had some mispriced operations, which was fixed. Ofc it can still be ddosed but that would be extremely expensive. About bitcoin, what makes you think it was never ddosed ? Ever bothered to google for it ?

right. THIS time. the big problem OP is that ETH is what they call "turing complete" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_completeness
This is MUCH more complicated than BTCs code, and much more untested. This leads to constant exploits being discovered in ETH.
SOME would say it was bound to happen, but only those familiar with how much of how complicated being "turing complete" was :/
most of us did not.

Ethereum's "Turing Complete" means it can do everything Bitcoin can plus loop, correct? I think Ethereum limits stack depth to no more than 1024 so there would be no possibility of creating an infinite loop.

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because bitcoin was coded by satoshi and other giants like Hal and many others have worked on it to improve and close down any possible weakness in it and bitcoin has been 7 years of battle hardened history backing it.

ethereum on the other hand was coded by Vitalik and it has a poor code and I don't really know anybody else who is really a giant like those who worked on bitcoin code here. so obviously the code is still poor and needs lots of work to even be able to survive in this world.

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Quote from: mining1 on December 06, 2016, 03:58:25 PM

Ethereum suffered from ddos because it had some mispriced operations, which was fixed. Ofc it can still be ddosed but that would be extremely expensive. About bitcoin, what makes you think it was never ddosed ? Ever bothered to google for it ?

right. THIS time. the big problem OP is that ETH is what they call "turing complete" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_completeness
This is MUCH more complicated than BTCs code, and much more untested. This leads to constant exploits being discovered in ETH.
SOME would say it was bound to happen, but only those familiar with how much of how complicated being "turing complete" was :/
most of us did not.

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What the fork was happening in ETH was getting scheduled of I think it can be the improvement ways for ETH chain, in this cases, you should have learned the different of bitcoin fork and ETH fork. May both has had the different definition.
I don't think the ETH fork was being the worst fail has made by vitalik.

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In theory and quite doably in practice any cryptocurrency network is hackable - it really is up to the hacker to commit to the cost and as mentioned above the mispricing of ETH had made it the easier (cheaper) option.

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Bitcoin was DDOSed in 2010 and it too was forked. ETH haters just want to hate because they are ETC Criminal Coin bag holders.

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Bitcoin has a lot of DDOS protection code implemented by satoshi back in 2010. Since eth is not forked from bitcoin it does not have the same protection. Still bitcoin is Ddosed every now and then but nowhere as frequently as eth...

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Quote from: mining1 on December 06, 2016, 03:58:25 PM

Ethereum suffered from ddos because it had some mispriced operations, which was fixed. Ofc it can still be ddosed but that would be extremely expensive. About bitcoin, what makes you think it was never ddosed ? Ever bothered to google for it ?

Not as serious to hard fork I meant

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Ethereum suffered from ddos because it had some mispriced operations, which was fixed. Ofc it can still be ddosed but that would be extremely expensive. About bitcoin, what makes you think it was never ddosed ? Ever bothered to google for it ?

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Both are using proof-of-work and peer to peer networking, but why Ethereum has more troubles than Bitcoin?

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