Why did yall ever start using closed source miners? FRFR

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Quote from: swogerino on June 05, 2023, 03:11:05 PM

Quote from: FP91G on June 01, 2023, 07:08:16 AM

Quote from: sxemini on May 31, 2023, 05:32:50 AM

lolminer is a signed windows application for example, so this is trustable, but also a risk for lolliedieb.

It would not make sense to create a fast open source miner, other one will take this code and make his own miner with a devfee, this is how the world works, sadly for sure.
And in my case, i have no problem to pay a devfee for all the work, but some miner devs take a very high devfee for some algos. I mean all over 2% is too much in my opinion.

But i agree with you, community projects are not seen anymore.

Any free miner will always be weaker than a miner with a fee and closed source. If two miners have the same result, then the miners will choose a free miner.
And now you should not even run a proven miner on the main computer for safety. For this, there are good operating systems for mining or separate mining farms.

I think it is the developers who ask a fee for their product and there is nothing wrong with that.Usually they run a batch script in Windows and a script in Linux where we can see all the configuration and the well known software makers make really good miners,the fact that we pay 0.5 to 2% is the least of concern for me if the miner proves its stability.

The best thing to do as noted is to keep the wallets if you don't use hardware wallets,keep those desktop wallets in a separate PC which is only made and created to hold your coins.Of course if a free miner offers the same performance as a "paid" miner I would still choose to get the support of the guys who consistently look after their product and solve arising problems (Claymore is an isolated case).

If we talk about support, then I don’t remember the cases when I needed support after I stopped mining on Windows. Basically, the problems were not with the miner, but with Windows crashes

and I had to read miner forums. With hive OS and other systems, there are fewer problems.

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Quote from: FP91G on June 01, 2023, 07:08:16 AM

Quote from: sxemini on May 31, 2023, 05:32:50 AM

lolminer is a signed windows application for example, so this is trustable, but also a risk for lolliedieb.

It would not make sense to create a fast open source miner, other one will take this code and make his own miner with a devfee, this is how the world works, sadly for sure.
And in my case, i have no problem to pay a devfee for all the work, but some miner devs take a very high devfee for some algos. I mean all over 2% is too much in my opinion.

But i agree with you, community projects are not seen anymore.

Any free miner will always be weaker than a miner with a fee and closed source. If two miners have the same result, then the miners will choose a free miner.
And now you should not even run a proven miner on the main computer for safety. For this, there are good operating systems for mining or separate mining farms.

I think it is the developers who ask a fee for their product and there is nothing wrong with that.Usually they run a batch script in Windows and a script in Linux where we can see all the configuration and the well known software makers make really good miners,the fact that we pay 0.5 to 2% is the least of concern for me if the miner proves its stability.

The best thing to do as noted is to keep the wallets if you don't use hardware wallets,keep those desktop wallets in a separate PC which is only made and created to hold your coins.Of course if a free miner offers the same performance as a "paid" miner I would still choose to get the support of the guys who consistently look after their product and solve arising problems (Claymore is an isolated case).

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Quote from: sxemini on May 31, 2023, 05:32:50 AM

lolminer is a signed windows application for example, so this is trustable, but also a risk for lolliedieb.

It would not make sense to create a fast open source miner, other one will take this code and make his own miner with a devfee, this is how the world works, sadly for sure.
And in my case, i have no problem to pay a devfee for all the work, but some miner devs take a very high devfee for some algos. I mean all over 2% is too much in my opinion.

But i agree with you, community projects are not seen anymore.

Any free miner will always be weaker than a miner with a fee and closed source. If two miners have the same result, then the miners will choose a free miner.
And now you should not even run a proven miner on the main computer for safety. For this, there are good operating systems for mining or separate mining farms.

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Quote from: deedeeranged on May 31, 2023, 05:06:21 AM

Quote from: adaseb on May 30, 2023, 11:28:14 PM

Because with certain Algos like Dagger Hashimoto or whatever that algo was called for ETH had a crappy build in miner called ethminer.

I used it in 2016, it basically made all my rigs freeze during the epoch change, there was also no monitoring, no dual mining, etc.

I rather pay claymore the 1% fee for the stability than deal with ethminer. Sure it was closed source but he had a reputation and they were all on rigs with no private keys or anything.

Still using Claymore? I thought the developer vanished from the earth.

No, nobody used claymore for like 5 years but the point I was trying to make was that at the time it was the best miner you could use.

He didn’t develop it for free and due to that he made to make it closed source to get the fee. If he made it open source, everybody would just move the fee to 0% and he wouldn’t make as much money.

None of his miners had viruses or malware. People used it for years and just trusted him. Plus like I said before. It was all on headless rigs with nothing installed except the miner software. Nothing to steal from those systems.

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Crypto back then was worthless just as anything that has to do with it like miners, back then we give/share coins for free, now we hide it and thieves roam around hehe.

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lolminer is a signed windows application for example, so this is trustable, but also a risk for lolliedieb.

It would not make sense to create a fast open source miner, other one will take this code and make his own miner with a devfee, this is how the world works, sadly for sure.
And in my case, i have no problem to pay a devfee for all the work, but some miner devs take a very high devfee for some algos. I mean all over 2% is too much in my opinion.

But i agree with you, community projects are not seen anymore.

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Quote from: adaseb on May 30, 2023, 11:28:14 PM

Because with certain Algos like Dagger Hashimoto or whatever that algo was called for ETH had a crappy build in miner called ethminer.

I used it in 2016, it basically made all my rigs freeze during the epoch change, there was also no monitoring, no dual mining, etc.

I rather pay claymore the 1% fee for the stability than deal with ethminer. Sure it was closed source but he had a reputation and they were all on rigs with no private keys or anything.

Still using Claymore? I thought the developer vanished from the earth.

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Quote from: defaced on May 30, 2023, 01:23:13 PM

There was a time, closed source miners would have been laughed all the way off of this forum. What changed? When did we, as a community, stop valuing the security of our machines?

In order not to download the virus, you need to download the miners from the official github of the developer. If there is a virus in the miner, then I don’t have wallets and passwords on the mining farm that can be stolen. Now it remains to install Hive OS or Raven OS and you don't need to install anything else. Developers of these systems test miners before adding it to their system.

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Because with certain Algos like Dagger Hashimoto or whatever that algo was called for ETH had a crappy build in miner called ethminer.

I used it in 2016, it basically made all my rigs freeze during the epoch change, there was also no monitoring, no dual mining, etc.

I rather pay claymore the 1% fee for the stability than deal with ethminer. Sure it was closed source but he had a reputation and they were all on rigs with no private keys or anything.

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Quote from: defaced on May 30, 2023, 01:23:13 PM

There was a time, closed source miners would have been laughed all the way off of this forum. What changed? When did we, as a community, stop valuing the security of our machines?

Most open source miners have been forked and the source closed so they can charge a fee. Even CPU miners charge a fee. Most have little original code.

Sigh.

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There was a time, closed source miners would have been laughed all the way off of this forum. What changed? When did we, as a community, stop valuing the security of our machines?

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