Topic: Why didn't any deity sign the scriptures with a divine digital signature? (Read 263 times)

digiran-You clearly have absolutely no idea about what I mean by a divine digital signature because you lack all education. Please do the world a favor and go ******** ** ********. * **** **** **** ** ***** ******.

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vapourminer-If you knew anyting about mathematics, you would know that pi is a transcendental number. This means that pi does not have a last digit. And no, you cannot select a random real number (according to the Gaussian distribution with mean 0 and variance 1) and call it a divine digital signature. You clearly do not know what I mean by a divine digital signature. Please educate yourself on cryptography.

what if pi or another of the irrational numbers is the private signing key of God, the universe or whatever else you might call it?

we just need to find the pi to the last digit and presto! we have the private key.

snimple.

I know I'm going against the rules of this board on this one but I can't help it, sorry @theymos/ mods.
I would like to throw a BIG fucking LOL here.

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Divine signature is everywhere, space/time/matter, language we use to communicate, pencil and paper we use to write and read, the holy Quran has so many divine secrets and signatures it just needs the blessing of understanding which is also given to people by the creator.

Every thing in existence is the signature of our divine creator, we just need to put aside our arrogance in order to see and understand more clearly, the knowledge, the wisdom, what we seek is already here, we just need to ask for it and it shall be given.
Existing is on itself of enough evidence of divine signature, easily verifiable by all and everyone. The bless of knowledge and understanding is given to all by default, what we do after the fact is what determines the continued flow of blessing towards us.

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Well, we can only upgrade our religious beliefs if someone is willing to pay me my $200/hr to develop a divine digital signature algorithm. I can use my notion of the L_{2,d}-spectral radius https://circcashcore.com/2022/08/08/measuring-block-cipher-round-function-security-using-spectral-radii/ to evaluate the cryptographic security of some divine digital signature algorithms. Since nobody except for me understands the L_{2,d}-spectral radius, I am the only one who can help develop divine digital signature algorithms.

This thing going on with Divine Digital signature, can be a good tool for the next level "upgrade" of religious belief. The current ways us mortals show reverence to our God or gods would be physical acts like genuflecting, prayer, meditation, dances, song, festivals and other acts that require us mere mortals to gather and  participate. With the current pandemic and the new normal going on, we need to put our faith to the test and one way to worship is to do it online, through the internet. This digital signature can be utilized as form of tool in administering the church administration tasks and others related to religious administration.

In any case, if anyone wants me to develop a divine digital signature algorithm, I am willing to work to develop such an algorithm for a price of $200 an hour. I have a Ph.D. in mathematics, so I am qualified to make a divine digital signature algorithm. Since I am just a mortal, I can only work on the function f, and I cannot produce any divine digital signatures y for any document x myself (here f(x,y)=1). This is an extremely small price to pay for such an algorithm, since a deity can use a divine digital signature to authenticate the scriptures.

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Divine digital signatures have a few characteristics that are different from conventional miracles. Conventional miracles provide good evidence of divinity at the moment to certain individuals, but they also have some disadvantages:

1. It is hard for conventional miracles to provide evidence of divinity after a millennium has passed.

2. Divine digital signatures satisfy a much higher standard of evidence than conventional miracles do.

3. Unlike divine digital signatures, conventional miracles may provide evidence of divinity, but they are not very good at providing evidence that a particular document is authorized by a deity (or at least a computationally powerful being) and has not been tampered with.

Of course, conventional miracles also have some advantages over divine digital signatures including the following:

1. Conventional miracles do not require computation to verify. This was a problem since powerful computers are a modern invention. This could also be a problem in a post-apocalyptic scenario when most/all computers are destroyed and humanity becomes primitive once again.

2. The purpose of a conventional miracle is not just to provide evidence for a message. Sometimes the purpose of a miracle is simply to heal a person.

3. From talking to religious people, I have gathered the sentiment that conventional miracles sound more spiritual than divine digital signatures.

Of course, there is no reason why a deity cannot both perform conventional miracles and produce divine digital signatures of documents.

This depends a bit on the religion, but God in general will not show proof of existence other than miracles, which are dubious at best. A digital signature falls into that category.

Basically, either you believe or you don´t, but you are not to be given "scientific reasons" to believe in any deity. If you ask why you will normally get the standard answer: "We humans cannot understand God´s design / masterplan".

Just for the shake of the argument, you seem to be ok in math, but you would need to be also strong in Philosophy and Semiotics to understand why a document written in words cannot express unequivocally the will of a God or group of deities. In few words, language is subject to interpretation. Thus, signing off a document would not provide a single source of guidance or truth. Also, which language would God/ Gods choose?

If you would rather be "practical", you can observe around you and how the rules of what you can perceive are built. If you believe, that would be God´s signature.

deities and gods did not write scripture

humans did.. these humans pretended to be messiah.. messengers. or witnesses..

most of the messages were not 'gods speach' but instead laws and moral rules to keep the population tame and civilised where the rules of kingdoms pretended to have got messages from a being no one has ever seen so that any blame can be pointed to the sky and not at the messenger
even though the messenger is actually the creator of the rules of ancient law

governments do it now. senators make laws by their individual votes.. but when questioning. no single senator can be blamed because the entity 'senate' created the law.

That is simply because gods do not exist. And if they existed they would have no need to prove that what they write is of divine origin. They would not need to communicate with humanity, and if they wanted to do so, they would have no problems.

So, I don't know what your lucubration is about. I guess you believe in God and you are with the eternal conflict between reason and faith, which in the West has long since won the reason. God either does not exist or is an entity absolutely separate from this world that only has power in another world, the afterlife or the one that supposedly exists when we die.

When we're discussing stuff that came from thousands of years ago, we have to understand that whatever those people meant back then through their words might not even be close to what we currently understand, if that makes sense. Over the years, some expressions and meanings of words change. The Bible itself for example is very interpretable. It has various translations based on the understanding of various humans, and even then we still have so many unanswered questions.

We cannot truly take something that's been out there for thousands of years and say: "Yeah, he tried to say this". So many documents are currently hidden from the public yet stored in libraries and archives we, basic humans, cannot enter. Perhaps if those documents were revealed to the public, we might get a better understanding of what those old documents wanted to say. Perhaps our entire current understanding of the world and religion is wrong. We're speaking based on what we currently know, based on the tech and knowledge existing today. But the entire Universe is a mystery. Hell, even our planet is a mystery if you think about it. The first vitamin has been synthesized less than 100 years ago. The first photo of a black hole has been unveiled only a few years ago. The more we know, the more we understand. But our generation, or perhaps even the next few, will not understand everything. It's practically impossible, unless immortality is somehow found. But according to Christianity, religion is the only path towards it. So if you're an Atheist, you might find immortality to be a possibility here, on earth, as a human discovery. Christians might argue against this idea.

I find it very hard to believe that the scriptures we know today are in the exact same form they were thousands of years ago. Information changes drastically from one person to another. In Romania, we have a kid's game called "Cordless Phone" - a few kids sit in line and the first kid has to whisper a word to the second, the second has to whisper what he understood to the third and so on until the last, which gets to say the word he understood out loud. It's very hard to get the word right, especially when a kid intentionally switches up a few letters of the word.

Therefore, you can only imagine how much information from 2000 years ago has changed until today, especially considering lots of texts have been translated from one language to another repeatedly until it got to an English or local language version that is readable today. I cannot remember the name of this book right now, but I remember there was a book written by someone by translating words from French into Portuguese and then Portuguese into English since a direct French to English dictionary wasn't available, and so it turned out to be the worst book ever written with so much nonsense or interpretable meanings of words.

Now take everything I said above and let's put it into context: we're talking about text that has been translated over and over along the years, a text that we might still not fully understand today in a continuously changing world where knowledge is on an all-time high with every single second passing by and with every single new discovery that's being made. Hence, the answer to your question might sit right in front of each of our eyes but we today might still not have the necessary knowledge to decypher the message.

This is my take on things that are usually non-understandable. Yes, science exists, yet a lot of things in science have been proven wrong along the years. Tomorrow, a new discovery might turn upside down our entire knowledge of the Universe. All we can do is try to understand things better, but nobody ensures us that we're necessarily on the right path. The Universe is infinite, and out of that infinity there is a chance that everything we know today may be wrong, and there is a chance that the deities left a message for all of us that we haven't been able to comprehend yet.

A divine digital signature function is a function f with range {0,1} such that for each x, there exists a y where f(x,y)=1 but where

1. the function f(x,y) can be computed quickly (and by quickly, I am referring to polylogarithmic time), and

2. for each n, the problem of finding a new pair (x,y) such that f(x,y)=1 takes about 2^(|y|) time (I corrected a typo here).

If f(x,y)=1, then we say that y is a divine digital signature for the document x.

If a deity wanted to communicate with humanity, then that deity can easily produce a divine digital signature for any document, and humanity can easily verify such a divine digital signature. However, humanity does not have the computational resources to produce any new divine digital signature. This means that divine digital signatures are a way that a deity can prove that a document is of a divine origin. Why didn't any deity cryptographically sign the scriptures with a divine digital signature?