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Quote from: SyGambler on December 20, 2017, 08:40:10 AM

I guess there is a huge hope now , especially after I saw Stunna post in other thread

Quote from: Stunna on December 19, 2017, 10:37:33 PM

We'll be adding provably fair poker in 2018 @ stake.com

no much details given , but this is exactly what I wanted to see here and the reason why I opened this thread in the first place
stake is the most trusted gambling site here , and the user base is large so I'm sure that poker there will have real success
now at least we know that there is hope for bitcoin poker in 2018 Cheesy

Poker is a nice game as far as I am concerned because still old people who were gamblers in their young ages really enjoy playing poker and they know all the tips and tricks of this game which means that they have played it before. Poker has not a higher playing ratio than other games in gambling because people didn’t understand all the rules and regulations of this game after playing for one or two times.

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I guess there is a huge hope now , especially after I saw Stunna post in other thread

Quote from: Stunna on December 19, 2017, 10:37:33 PM

We'll be adding provably fair poker in 2018 @ stake.com

no much details given , but this is exactly what I wanted to see here and the reason why I opened this thread in the first place
stake is the most trusted gambling site here , and the user base is large so I'm sure that poker there will have real success
now at least we know that there is hope for bitcoin poker in 2018 Cheesy

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Quote from: ausbit on December 06, 2017, 06:14:04 AM

Video poker is something like the real poker for the beginners because it allows you to play all the tips and tricks that gamblers use in real pokers so one cannot say that it has no use. Also it consists of all the rules and regulations as in real poking so it’s a good platform to learn what poking is.

Take it from someone who has won thousands of USD at both - none of what you've said here is true. You may be reading "video poker" as "online poker"? Video poker is a slot machine game. It is nothing like poker.

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Quote from: Zero_Cloo on December 02, 2017, 08:49:15 PM

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Quote from: bhabygrim on November 30, 2017, 10:31:16 AM

I don't even know, I also really think that a lot of people are looking for bitcoin poker site because it would be fun and exciting to play poker with bitcoin. However, a lot of people might lose a lot of bitcoin because of this. I think it is profitable to establish a bitcoin poker site because a lot of gamblers would surely go crazy.

There are so many sites offering bitcoin poker. At least I know of cryptogames. So we cannot really say we do not have bitcoin poker. The only difference here is you are not playing with another player but with the system and we all know that we cannot beat the house edge most especially when it comes to playing directly with the platform. It may be provably fair, who knows really ?

Video poker is not poker. They're completely different games, really nothing like each other except that they use the same hand rankings.

Video poker is something like the real poker for the beginners because it allows you to play all the tips and tricks that gamblers use in real pokers so one cannot say that it has no use. Also it consists of all the rules and regulations as in real poking so it’s a good platform to learn what poking is.

If these pokers were totally different from real ones then no one would have been using them but on checking, we see millions of users there.

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Traffic = profit = more money to develop better site. The traffic is all at pokerstars though, they have like 80-90% of market.

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Quote from: badjacks99 on December 02, 2017, 07:55:31 PM

I think it has a ton to do with player traffic i would say. The bitcoin Poker community is probably rather large but it is stretched out over numerous sites and they can never seem to all come together. Seals With clubs was a great site for the introductory bitcoin poker player. If you searched bitcoin poker, SWC was always the number one site found. I think we've seen quite a few good poker clients come and go but it seems like the players are reluctant to give them a shot.

Yeah, your thinking is right, but in my thinking most of poker lover is here, but they don't want to play poker in bitcoin poker sites. May be we see less traffic is here and that's why we think in bitcoin gambling poker game has less player other than games.

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Quote from: bhabygrim on November 30, 2017, 10:31:16 AM

I don't even know, I also really think that a lot of people are looking for bitcoin poker site because it would be fun and exciting to play poker with bitcoin. However, a lot of people might lose a lot of bitcoin because of this. I think it is profitable to establish a bitcoin poker site because a lot of gamblers would surely go crazy.

There are so many sites offering bitcoin poker. At least I know of cryptogames. So we cannot really say we do not have bitcoin poker. The only difference here is you are not playing with another player but with the system and we all know that we cannot beat the house edge most especially when it comes to playing directly with the platform. It may be provably fair, who knows really ?

Video poker is not poker. They're completely different games, really nothing like each other except that they use the same hand rankings.

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I think it has a ton to do with player traffic i would say. The bitcoin Poker community is probably rather large but it is stretched out over numerous sites and they can never seem to all come together. Seals With clubs was a great site for the introductory bitcoin poker player. If you searched bitcoin poker, SWC was always the number one site found. I think we've seen quite a few good poker clients come and go but it seems like the players are reluctant to give them a shot.

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Quote from: bhabygrim on November 30, 2017, 10:31:16 AM

I don't even know, I also really think that a lot of people are looking for bitcoin poker site because it would be fun and exciting to play poker with bitcoin. However, a lot of people might lose a lot of bitcoin because of this. I think it is profitable to establish a bitcoin poker site because a lot of gamblers would surely go crazy.

There are so many sites offering bitcoin poker. At least I know of cryptogames. So we cannot really say we do not have bitcoin poker. The only difference here is you are not playing with another player but with the system and we all know that we cannot beat the house edge most especially when it comes to playing directly with the platform. It may be provably fair, who knows really ?

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Quote from: shield132 on November 30, 2017, 05:16:24 PM

Usually bitcoin websites only care about dice and that's not good, some of them started thinking about sports betting and other games lately. I think another reason js that people don't care much about that but personally I find bitcoin for poker better and more funnier than simple currency. It will be great when you can bet 100 bits, 1000 and etc, playing on low but potentially high valuable money (btc). I think if more people request it, they will concider it like bitsler did it once on burstcoin.

Not like there are no bitcoin poker games in most of these sites, but I really wish there can be a multiplayer poker game on these sites.

At least with that we know we are playing against ourselves and not directly with what the platform is dealing us. I have tried it several times but man, no matter what you do, you can hardly win. So with that, I would better just stick to dice instead or other games which I think is what has really made dice to be more popular than all these other games.

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Quote from: Cryptocoinsmania.com on November 22, 2017, 05:25:12 PM

Well we can see a lot of ICOs related to poker. I think we will see a huge increase of poker rooms soon. However, I am not sure, but it looks that online poker is slowly losing its popularity, so maybe there isn't many interest in opening such sites/platforms. But after all, it's only my personal opinion.

I really doubt that we'll see any popular Bitcoin poker rooms popping up any time soon, the popularity of poker in general has been going down for a couple of years now.
Combine that with the fact that there's only one really popular platform and it makes sense that no-one is willing to invest in opening up a poker website in Bitcoin.

I'm also thinking that it's way easier and more profitable to just set-up a regular casino. You don't tend to make much money from the rake as a casino, especially not if you don't have too many active players.
I'm sure Pokerstars makes quite a lot, but they are the largest.

It's going down also because of no place to play poker with our bitcoins here. I'm pretty sure when we got a huge big bitcoin poker sites, many people will back gambling on poker and gather on that bitcoin poker site. Maybe we will got that a big bitcoin poker site in the future.

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Usually bitcoin websites only care about dice and that's not good, some of them started thinking about sports betting and other games lately. I think another reason js that people don't care much about that but personally I find bitcoin for poker better and more funnier than simple currency. It will be great when you can bet 100 bits, 1000 and etc, playing on low but potentially high valuable money (btc). I think if more people request it, they will concider it like bitsler did it once on burstcoin.

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Quote from: SyGambler on November 12, 2017, 07:06:16 PM

so I have asked myself this question a thousand time , some bitcoin gambling sites are having great success but yet we fail to see a single good poker room after seals with clubs stopped ( wasn't that good but comparing it with these times it was great )

we see thousands of bitcoins being gambled daily on sites like primedice , betkings , nitrogen ...etc but yet we don't have a single succeful poker site ( nitrogen room isn't good especially with that software they are using )

why the sites admins here aren't going for that ?? bitcoin poker can destroy all the big sites

I see a lot of poker pros like Dougpolk , Kevin Martin , Mike McDonald ...etc are investing in bitcoin and other crypto so even big players will tend to play more bitcoin poker if there are some active sites

I hope to hear from the admins of the big sites as well , like stunna and dooglus
is it hard to launch a poker site ??

That's because online poker is dead. Even Pokerstars', the biggest online poker site, traffic has been going down over the years. That's because the players have realized that it's easy to play tight ABC poker, and fish are very few now. So as games become tighter, not much money changed hands. Then more and more players lose interest.

Tbh, poker can be quite boring if you have been playing long enough.

No I dont agree. It is not dead. We are dead.
Converting every bitcoin to dollar is why we are regretting every satoshi that we gamble. It became just an asset and dont want to spend it anymore or gamble it.
That is the problem here.
This gambling sites that we support could also go that way if all the bitcoin users will think like this.
We got to push it more to usage.
It is not dead. Just dont know how the stakes will be given considering the price fluctuations are too much.

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I don't even know, I also really think that a lot of people are looking for bitcoin poker site because it would be fun and exciting to play poker with bitcoin. However, a lot of people might lose a lot of bitcoin because of this. I think it is profitable to establish a bitcoin poker site because a lot of gamblers would surely go crazy.

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Quote from: Cryptocoinsmania.com on November 22, 2017, 05:25:12 PM

Well we can see a lot of ICOs related to poker. I think we will see a huge increase of poker rooms soon. However, I am not sure, but it looks that online poker is slowly losing its popularity, so maybe there isn't many interest in opening such sites/platforms. But after all, it's only my personal opinion.

I really doubt that we'll see any popular Bitcoin poker rooms popping up any time soon, the popularity of poker in general has been going down for a couple of years now.
Combine that with the fact that there's only one really popular platform and it makes sense that no-one is willing to invest in opening up a poker website in Bitcoin.

I'm also thinking that it's way easier and more profitable to just set-up a regular casino. You don't tend to make much money from the rake as a casino, especially not if you don't have too many active players.
I'm sure Pokerstars makes quite a lot, but they are the largest.

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When I talk to poker players, many of them are very resistant to the idea of playing natively in BTC and keeping their bankrolls in BTC, because of the fluctuation and because they're constantly being told that it's a bubble.

Bitcoin poker seemed to be doing pretty well for a while, but then a lot of the existing rooms in the market started accepting BTC deposits and withdrawals while still offering play in USD, and that really killed the native market in a lot of ways.

It's also really expensive to acquire new customers in the online poker industry, often USD150+ per, and tiny little BTC startups are not willing to put that kind of marketing spend into their projects.

I still think there's room for a good room to appear - the fiat poker industry is very vulnerable right now - but it needs to be somebody with dedication to their product and willingness to spend on marketing.

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Quote from: Cryptocoinsmania.com on November 22, 2017, 05:25:12 PM

Well we can see a lot of ICOs related to poker. I think we will see a huge increase of poker rooms soon. However, I am not sure, but it looks that online poker is slowly losing its popularity, so maybe there isn't many interest in opening such sites/platforms. But after all, it's only my personal opinion.

It is right i also realize that online poker is losing its popularity, may be now only few poker players like to play in online poker game. Otherwise, i am not a player of poker also i can't play it. It need full of mind attention and skills and i am not a sharp player that's why i am happy with dice and sports betting.

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Well we can see a lot of ICOs related to poker. I think we will see a huge increase of poker rooms soon. However, I am not sure, but it looks that online poker is slowly losing its popularity, so maybe there isn't many interest in opening such sites/platforms. But after all, it's only my personal opinion.

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poker is based on more of skill than any sort of luck and winning can give you higher rewarda because of this the most important issue is higher fees for gambling with poker and the reward being really high sites tend to not pay with any of their terms

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There are two kind of players: 1) long-term winner ones (regs and pros) 2) long-term losers.

For 1) the main reason is traffic and how much they can make out of it. I’ve been a reg for quite a few years already and for me it is better to play micro limits in shitty pokerstar.es (where only players from Spain can play) than playing in crypto sites. Not to speak about professional players playing High Stakes at pokestars.com. There is nothing remotely similar to that in crypto sites.

For 2) it comes down to traffic and variety of games they can play.

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Quote from: michkima on November 13, 2017, 02:53:20 AM

A few things why I think there are not much good online poker gambling sites,

1. Because it is just a niche kind of gambling game. There is not much players looking to play poker to gamble. Since in poker you need to be more than lucky in it, you also need skill. There is a smaller chance to win in poker than in just playing games like dice, if you do not have enough skill.
2. Ultimately related to number 1, is that gambling sites and operators do not profit so much from it since there are not much players and there is really no house edge.
3. Takes so much time to finish a tournament, or even just a single game. This is a factor to consider for both players and the operators. Since most players do not really like to wait too much and the operators do not like to have a long game since it would cost a lot more to run their poker site eating their profits.

I don't thinks , maybe your points are right but IMO I don't think so

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2- operators profit way more when it comes to poker as I stated , there is house edge and that's the rake
gambling sites easily make 5-10% of the buy in for tournaments , and they make money from cash games too without taking bankroll risks
in gambling when a player wins 100K he is winning it directly from the casino bankroll , while in poker this profit comes directly from other players

there are many players who are willing to join a good bitcoin poker site , as long as the owrners are trusted , the software is good
we haven't had a single site like that so far , so can't know for sure

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at worst case the site can create a game like spin & go in stars , where games last like 5 mins on avg and people can choose the games that suit them

You are mistaken here. The main difference here is that, in poker, around 5% of long term players take money out of the system whereas in casino games no long term player takes money out. This is why all big poker sites have cut rakeback, have implemented more casino-like poker games like spins and have taken other measures that basically cut down profits for regs and pros. They don’t want people earning regular income from their sites. They want all the money for them.

The so-called “eco-system” in poker is a bit difficult to understand but that is the way it works.

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Quote from: SyGambler on November 12, 2017, 07:06:16 PM

so I have asked myself this question a thousand time , some bitcoin gambling sites are having great success but yet we fail to see a single good poker room after seals with clubs stopped ( wasn't that good but comparing it with these times it was great )

we see thousands of bitcoins being gambled daily on sites like primedice , betkings , nitrogen ...etc but yet we don't have a single succeful poker site ( nitrogen room isn't good especially with that software they are using )

why the sites admins here aren't going for that ?? bitcoin poker can destroy all the big sites

I see a lot of poker pros like Dougpolk , Kevin Martin , Mike McDonald ...etc are investing in bitcoin and other crypto so even big players will tend to play more bitcoin poker if there are some active sites

I hope to hear from the admins of the big sites as well , like stunna and dooglus
is it hard to launch a poker site ??

As per my knowledge Poker sites are mostly played by players who are playing strategically but the earning is low but in dice and casino games the winning is high but same time loosing is also high. Players are not seeing the risk involved in dice and casino but they want to earn high with small investment and in short time , but in poker earning is good but low and risk is also low. Fortunejack was having poker games which was very good but what happened dont know it got closed it. Nitrogen poker site is rigid , as i have played so many times and i think it is manipulated by its developer as i think they are playing their bot in the table which scam the users and most of the time end up in full loss.

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Quote from: SyGambler on November 12, 2017, 07:06:16 PM

so I have asked myself this question a thousand time , some bitcoin gambling sites are having great success but yet we fail to see a single good poker room after seals with clubs stopped ( wasn't that good but comparing it with these times it was great )

we see thousands of bitcoins being gambled daily on sites like primedice , betkings , nitrogen ...etc but yet we don't have a single succeful poker site ( nitrogen room isn't good especially with that software they are using )

why the sites admins here aren't going for that ?? bitcoin poker can destroy all the big sites

I see a lot of poker pros like Dougpolk , Kevin Martin , Mike McDonald ...etc are investing in bitcoin and other crypto so even big players will tend to play more bitcoin poker if there are some active sites

I hope to hear from the admins of the big sites as well , like stunna and dooglus
is it hard to launch a poker site ??

I agree.
I know that Americas card room support cryptocurrencies, but I also know that they convert it right after to fiat, so I won't consider themself as crypto friendly site.
We need a site that offers Only bitcoin poker, with low house edge, good system, and blinds are being paid with mbtc( not with usd as america
s card room do).

I think that cryptocurrencies could bring poker into countries where gambling is prohibited, it could open a new gate for new users.

We have low active player , the whole fiat poker player itself might much more than the whole bitcoin community.
So no wonder whenever there is a bitcoin poker player push hard their promotion to attract more players , it is always failed.
Look at nitrogen poker , first month , second month they have a lot of active player but now? After long time enough i cannot see there is a lot of people enough play actively .

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Quote from: npredtorch on November 14, 2017, 03:57:04 PM

The reason I could see is that (1) poker is a user based game and (2) it require knowledge and skills to start/win with it.
What I observed with new poker sites are, they tend to have difficulties in finding loyal users that will stay up and playing for a long time. In result, the site is already dead even it's just days from when they started out.

I agree with first reason but not second. Yes it requires knowledge, but i am sure that lots of gamblers know how to play it, so it can't be the reason why there's almost no bitcoin poker. In my opinion it is like that because poker games usually are time consuming if you try to actually win instead of using "all in' strategy.

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How about introduce Dan Bilzerian https://www.instagram.com/danbilzerian/?hl=en to gambling with bitcoin ?
I'm guess that he will take the lead as the best poker player on bitcoin industry but I think it's difficult to convince him since bitcoin still a new technology for him, IMO

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Quote from: SyGambler on November 12, 2017, 07:06:16 PM

so I have asked myself this question a thousand time , some bitcoin gambling sites are having great success but yet we fail to see a single good poker room after seals with clubs stopped ( wasn't that good but comparing it with these times it was great )

we see thousands of bitcoins being gambled daily on sites like primedice , betkings , nitrogen ...etc but yet we don't have a single succeful poker site ( nitrogen room isn't good especially with that software they are using )

why the sites admins here aren't going for that ?? bitcoin poker can destroy all the big sites

I see a lot of poker pros like Dougpolk , Kevin Martin , Mike McDonald ...etc are investing in bitcoin and other crypto so even big players will tend to play more bitcoin poker if there are some active sites

I hope to hear from the admins of the big sites as well , like stunna and dooglus
is it hard to launch a poker site ??

I agree.
I know that Americas card room support cryptocurrencies, but I also know that they convert it right after to fiat, so I won't consider themself as crypto friendly site.
We need a site that offers Only bitcoin poker, with low house edge, good system, and blinds are being paid with mbtc( not with usd as america
s card room do).

I think that cryptocurrencies could bring poker into countries where gambling is prohibited, it could open a new gate for new users.

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Quote from: polymerbatt on November 15, 2017, 02:16:36 AM

Personally nitrogensports is the best bitcoin poker so far, they have many players here especially at night, so many big players here at night with high buy-in. Well, bitcoin poker is not big and the players too are not to many like casino players or dice players. Most of bitcoin gambler are on sportsbook and casino.

Well that's probably right considering that there aren't that much good poker sites. Though if you're not really that keen on specifics and just want to enjoy poker for the sake of playing, then there are many crypto based poker sites out there to choose from

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You dont have to be affected about poker.if you really dont like the game settings or the way poker has going here in crypto.try to play other games,besides this community offers lots of kinds of casino games.you can choose one that can replace that NOT GOOD POKER as what you are saying

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Quote from: SyGambler on November 12, 2017, 07:06:16 PM

so I have asked myself this question a thousand time , some bitcoin gambling sites are having great success but yet we fail to see a single good poker room after seals with clubs stopped ( wasn't that good but comparing it with these times it was great )

we see thousands of bitcoins being gambled daily on sites like primedice , betkings , nitrogen ...etc but yet we don't have a single succeful poker site ( nitrogen room isn't good especially with that software they are using )

why the sites admins here aren't going for that ?? bitcoin poker can destroy all the big sites

I see a lot of poker pros like Dougpolk , Kevin Martin , Mike McDonald ...etc are investing in bitcoin and other crypto so even big players will tend to play more bitcoin poker if there are some active sites

I hope to hear from the admins of the big sites as well , like stunna and dooglus
is it hard to launch a poker site ??

That's because online poker is dead. Even Pokerstars', the biggest online poker site, traffic has been going down over the years. That's because the players have realized that it's easy to play tight ABC poker, and fish are very few now. So as games become tighter, not much money changed hands. Then more and more players lose interest.

Tbh, poker can be quite boring if you have been playing long enough.

I agree, also since newer players have lower chances of winning than those experts at it, the will likely lose a lot and that would mean that they will eventually lose interest in playing the game. There is also no variety that can be had in playing poker, it gets really tiring the longer your play as its just really repetitive. I think this is the reason why there is no one really interested in opening a good poker site.

Actually it's those new players who don't know much about the game is what's needed to keep the poker economy alive. But yeah, they have been losing their money faster these days due to more better players and tight grinders. During the poker boom the fish - reg ratio was so high that all you need to do was play tight ABC poker and you'd win a lot of money for sure.

If that is the case then it is not a sustainable business model for a gambling site. If the poker sites are relying too much on newbies to lose to pro players in poker tables then that means they will end up with only the pro players trying to best each other. Which is not really a lot of players. I guess this will look something like a ponzi scheme now, which actually is just paying those guys who were first to learn the game and feed off the weak new ones.

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Quote from: LuanX3 on November 14, 2017, 11:08:14 AM

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Quote from: SyGambler on November 12, 2017, 07:06:16 PM

so I have asked myself this question a thousand time , some bitcoin gambling sites are having great success but yet we fail to see a single good poker room after seals with clubs stopped ( wasn't that good but comparing it with these times it was great )

we see thousands of bitcoins being gambled daily on sites like primedice , betkings , nitrogen ...etc but yet we don't have a single succeful poker site ( nitrogen room isn't good especially with that software they are using )

why the sites admins here aren't going for that ?? bitcoin poker can destroy all the big sites

I see a lot of poker pros like Dougpolk , Kevin Martin , Mike McDonald ...etc are investing in bitcoin and other crypto so even big players will tend to play more bitcoin poker if there are some active sites

I hope to hear from the admins of the big sites as well , like stunna and dooglus
is it hard to launch a poker site ??

That's because online poker is dead. Even Pokerstars', the biggest online poker site, traffic has been going down over the years. That's because the players have realized that it's easy to play tight ABC poker, and fish are very few now. So as games become tighter, not much money changed hands. Then more and more players lose interest.

Tbh, poker can be quite boring if you have been playing long enough.

I agree, also since newer players have lower chances of winning than those experts at it, the will likely lose a lot and that would mean that they will eventually lose interest in playing the game. There is also no variety that can be had in playing poker, it gets really tiring the longer your play as its just really repetitive. I think this is the reason why there is no one really interested in opening a good poker site.

Actually it's those new players who don't know much about the game is what's needed to keep the poker economy alive. But yeah, they have been losing their money faster these days due to more better players and tight grinders. During the poker boom the fish - reg ratio was so high that all you need to do was play tight ABC poker and you'd win a lot of money for sure.

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Personally nitrogensports is the best bitcoin poker so far, they have many players here especially at night, so many big players here at night with high buy-in. Well, bitcoin poker is not big and the players too are not to many like casino players or dice players. Most of bitcoin gambler are on sportsbook and casino.

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Quote from: Wendigo on November 14, 2017, 11:47:12 AM

Bitcoin poker sites have very low traffic and are infested with cheaters colluding on a daily basis so it's not worth your time and money trying to have any fun playing on there.

yeah those people who play poker at pokerstars didn't want to move to bitcoin poker based as i can only see at that place the real poker player exist , the rest of it just an occasional player . no wonder there's no good bitcoin poker site as good as pokerstars , don't know if it's still devoloping or not much people wanted it.

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Quote from: npredtorch on November 14, 2017, 03:57:04 PM

The reason I could see is that (1) poker is a user based game and (2) it require knowledge and skills to start/win with it.
What I observed with new poker sites are, they tend to have difficulties in finding loyal users that will stay up and playing for a long time. In result, the site is already dead even it's just days from when they started out.

we haven't seen a single new serious poker site yet , all the new sites that opened in the past were using cheap browser software which you can get for like 500$
that's what I'm talking about and trying to explain , yes almost all the poker sites that launched here failed but did the owner take their business seriously ??

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I also wonder about it, in advance i like playing poker on casino.directbet.eu I can get a pretty good profit there and also only takes a moment to win it. But after their site closed, I felt the loss of one of my legs. I keep looking for poker sites in bitcoin but it's all not up to expectations. Cry

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The reason I could see is that (1) poker is a user based game and (2) it require knowledge and skills to start/win with it.
What I observed with new poker sites are, they tend to have difficulties in finding loyal users that will stay up and playing for a long time. In result, the site is already dead even it's just days from when they started out.

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Bitcoin poker sites have very low traffic and are infested with cheaters colluding on a daily basis so it's not worth your time and money trying to have any fun playing on there.

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Quote from: SyGambler on November 12, 2017, 07:06:16 PM

so I have asked myself this question a thousand time , some bitcoin gambling sites are having great success but yet we fail to see a single good poker room after seals with clubs stopped ( wasn't that good but comparing it with these times it was great )

we see thousands of bitcoins being gambled daily on sites like primedice , betkings , nitrogen ...etc but yet we don't have a single succeful poker site ( nitrogen room isn't good especially with that software they are using )

why the sites admins here aren't going for that ?? bitcoin poker can destroy all the big sites

I see a lot of poker pros like Dougpolk , Kevin Martin , Mike McDonald ...etc are investing in bitcoin and other crypto so even big players will tend to play more bitcoin poker if there are some active sites

I hope to hear from the admins of the big sites as well , like stunna and dooglus
is it hard to launch a poker site ??

That's because online poker is dead. Even Pokerstars', the biggest online poker site, traffic has been going down over the years. That's because the players have realized that it's easy to play tight ABC poker, and fish are very few now. So as games become tighter, not much money changed hands. Then more and more players lose interest.

Tbh, poker can be quite boring if you have been playing long enough.

I agree, also since newer players have lower chances of winning than those experts at it, the will likely lose a lot and that would mean that they will eventually lose interest in playing the game. There is also no variety that can be had in playing poker, it gets really tiring the longer your play as its just really repetitive. I think this is the reason why there is no one really interested in opening a good poker site.

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Quote from: SyGambler on November 12, 2017, 07:06:16 PM

so I have asked myself this question a thousand time , some bitcoin gambling sites are having great success but yet we fail to see a single good poker room after seals with clubs stopped ( wasn't that good but comparing it with these times it was great )

we see thousands of bitcoins being gambled daily on sites like primedice , betkings , nitrogen ...etc but yet we don't have a single succeful poker site ( nitrogen room isn't good especially with that software they are using )

why the sites admins here aren't going for that ?? bitcoin poker can destroy all the big sites

I see a lot of poker pros like Dougpolk , Kevin Martin , Mike McDonald ...etc are investing in bitcoin and other crypto so even big players will tend to play more bitcoin poker if there are some active sites

I hope to hear from the admins of the big sites as well , like stunna and dooglus
is it hard to launch a poker site ??

That's because online poker is dead. Even Pokerstars', the biggest online poker site, traffic has been going down over the years. That's because the players have realized that it's easy to play tight ABC poker, and fish are very few now. So as games become tighter, not much money changed hands. Then more and more players lose interest.

Tbh, poker can be quite boring if you have been playing long enough.

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Quote from: marlboroza on November 13, 2017, 05:01:16 PM

Not enough players perhaps?

Right, not everyone is interested to play poker or there's not a lot of poker players here in the bitcoin community. On nitrogen's poker cheating can't be avoided, i've been hearing a lot of complaints from different users and their support doesn't seem to care much or don't have any solution to the problem(just my observation).

I also agree on it, that not too much poker players are here in bitcoin gambling sites. The reason is, Not every gambler could handle the poker game, it need skills, people prefer to play other games like dice than poker because in it in less time they could win or lose and play without skills and also not need to use big capital, that's why i am not playing poker.

Without knowing, I would assume a person interested in crypto would have enough about them to play something that at least has the potential to be +ev. Honestly can't understand the mindset of people that play -ev games like roulette etc.. are they just dumb, is that all it is?

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Quote from: ralle14 on November 14, 2017, 12:37:00 AM

Quote from: marlboroza on November 13, 2017, 05:01:16 PM

Not enough players perhaps?

Right, not everyone is interested to play poker or there's not a lot of poker players here in the bitcoin community. On nitrogen's poker cheating can't be avoided, i've been hearing a lot of complaints from different users and their support doesn't seem to care much or don't have any solution to the problem(just my observation).

I also agree on it, that not too much poker players are here in bitcoin gambling sites. The reason is, Not every gambler could handle the poker game, it need skills, people prefer to play other games like dice than poker because in it in less time they could win or lose and play without skills and also not need to use big capital, that's why i am not playing poker.

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Quote from: SyGambler on November 14, 2017, 04:14:08 AM

Quote from: BossMacko on November 14, 2017, 02:00:51 AM

I don't know what is a good poker site in your side, for me nitrogensports and americas card room are a good poker site. I can win on both site if i will choose to leave the table once i x3 my bankroll but no, i kept on playing until i bust everything. If those site are not good to you what is the example of a good poker site for you so that admin can imitate those site if they want to have a poker site. Pokerstars is also a good site but it doesn't have Bitcoin integrated into its system, they have lots of promo and competitions and big prizes in tourney.

Nitrogen poker isn't good with that browser software that they are using , also they need to work more on their games cause it's so hard to find a tournament except like 3 or 4 a day and that's not what a good poker site offers
also they offer 6 and 10 players sit n goes and these like never run , still they aren't offering the heads up sit n go which is so easy to run since it only needs two players , so IMO the managers of nitrogen poker don't know how to run a good poker site

ACR is a great site , but it's a USD site not bitcoin and I'm talking about pure bitcoin poker

for people that are saying lack of players , do you remember seals with clubs ?? at that time bitcoin wasn't even 5% popular like it's now and still we were able to see good bitcoin poker games running

there is no lack of players , people always want to play poker when it's available in a good site

I met few poker players on bitcoin gambling sites and they are playing at fiat sites such as 888, pokerstars, partipoker etc because of reasons I wrote in my post above.
Besides, lots of players are playing multiple tables(I actually know a guy who is playing 8 tables at the same time) and that is something you can't really do in site with 50 active players. (nitrogen has 38 at the moment)

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Quote from: BossMacko on November 14, 2017, 02:00:51 AM

I don't know what is a good poker site in your side, for me nitrogensports and americas card room are a good poker site. I can win on both site if i will choose to leave the table once i x3 my bankroll but no, i kept on playing until i bust everything. If those site are not good to you what is the example of a good poker site for you so that admin can imitate those site if they want to have a poker site. Pokerstars is also a good site but it doesn't have Bitcoin integrated into its system, they have lots of promo and competitions and big prizes in tourney.

Nitrogen poker isn't good with that browser software that they are using , also they need to work more on their games cause it's so hard to find a tournament except like 3 or 4 a day and that's not what a good poker site offers
also they offer 6 and 10 players sit n goes and these like never run , still they aren't offering the heads up sit n go which is so easy to run since it only needs two players , so IMO the managers of nitrogen poker don't know how to run a good poker site

ACR is a great site , but it's a USD site not bitcoin and I'm talking about pure bitcoin poker

for people that are saying lack of players , do you remember seals with clubs ?? at that time bitcoin wasn't even 5% popular like it's now and still we were able to see good bitcoin poker games running

there is no lack of players , people always want to play poker when it's available in a good site

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Betcoin has micro-low stakes cash running over a few tables each day, and it's very soft, but still not enough to grind I'd say.

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Quote from: bering on November 14, 2017, 03:01:12 AM

bitcoin gambling sites are growing rapidly but there was none of them consider to build poker game sites and i think ye no active players makes gambling sites owners think twice to build poker sites because not all gamblers like to playing poker so this kind of game will be less popular than other games such as dice or sport betting

With poker, you will need multiple players in order to play and it's kinda difficult to find those players online and the only way that it will be possible is when they are organizing a big competition online.

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Quote from: bering on November 14, 2017, 03:01:12 AM

bitcoin gambling sites are growing rapidly but there was none of them consider to build poker game sites and i think ye no active players makes gambling sites owners think twice to build poker sites because not all gamblers like to playing poker so this kind of game will be less popular than other games such as dice or sport betting

yes it is lack of interest , i mean the real poker player are not here mostly as a bitcoin enthusiast . several times there is a lot of bitcoin poker sites trying to increase the popularity and still they are exploited with its freeroll , they don't come back again in the end.

that is what makes no bitcoin poker site successful recently and really unfortunate of course to see this kind situation.

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bitcoin gambling sites are growing rapidly but there was none of them consider to build poker game sites and i think ye no active players makes gambling sites owners think twice to build poker sites because not all gamblers like to playing poker so this kind of game will be less popular than other games such as dice or sport betting

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I don't know what is a good poker site in your side, for me nitrogensports and americas card room are a good poker site. I can win on both site if i will choose to leave the table once i x3 my bankroll but no, i kept on playing until i bust everything. If those site are not good to you what is the example of a good poker site for you so that admin can imitate those site if they want to have a poker site. Pokerstars is also a good site but it doesn't have Bitcoin integrated into its system, they have lots of promo and competitions and big prizes in tourney.

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Quote from: marlboroza on November 13, 2017, 05:01:16 PM

Not enough players perhaps?

Yes, probably this is the case. Not many players are interested in playing poker. They are only interested in some dice game or the gambling things like the rollet.

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Quote from: mostkey on November 12, 2017, 09:47:55 PM

Have you ever bermaon di betcoin.ag? I think there is good enough to play poker with bitcoin. with hundreds of poker rooms that exist there can make it easier for us to choose which room we want to follow.

Double check your google translate before posting it dude. Betcoin is not that good for bitcoin players imho, as I can see the number of active players is not that good compared to fiat poker site.

Quote from: SyGambler on November 12, 2017, 07:06:16 PM

I hope to hear from the admins of the big sites as well , like stunna and dooglus
is it hard to launch a poker site ??

Actually it is not hard to launch, but it is hard to manage to get good traffic. I also wonder why no great bitcoin poker sites so far. Most of the existing bitcoin poker sites still has lower traffic than fiat poker sites.

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Quote from: marlboroza on November 13, 2017, 05:01:16 PM

Not enough players perhaps?

Right, not everyone is interested to play poker or there's not a lot of poker players here in the bitcoin community. On nitrogen's poker cheating can't be avoided, i've been hearing a lot of complaints from different users and their support doesn't seem to care much or don't have any solution to the problem(just my observation).

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Quote from: SyGambler on November 12, 2017, 07:06:16 PM

so I have asked myself this question a thousand time , some bitcoin gambling sites are having great success but yet we fail to see a single good poker room after seals with clubs stopped ( wasn't that good but comparing it with these times it was great )

we see thousands of bitcoins being gambled daily on sites like primedice , betkings , nitrogen ...etc but yet we don't have a single succeful poker site ( nitrogen room isn't good especially with that software they are using )

why the sites admins here aren't going for that ?? bitcoin poker can destroy all the big sites

I see a lot of poker pros like Dougpolk , Kevin Martin , Mike McDonald ...etc are investing in bitcoin and other crypto so even big players will tend to play more bitcoin poker if there are some active sites

I hope to hear from the admins of the big sites as well , like stunna and dooglus
is it hard to launch a poker site ??

Not enough players perhaps?
For example, I like to play poker on pokerstars because there are more than 100000 active players online at any time of day or night, it is so easy to play multiple rooms (sit'n'go or cash games) or if I don't like room it is easy to switch to another one, which is almost impossible in bitcoin poker sites.

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Quote from: michkima on November 13, 2017, 02:53:20 AM

A few things why I think there are not much good online poker gambling sites,

1. Because it is just a niche kind of gambling game. There is not much players looking to play poker to gamble. Since in poker you need to be more than lucky in it, you also need skill. There is a smaller chance to win in poker than in just playing games like dice, if you do not have enough skill.
2. Ultimately related to number 1, is that gambling sites and operators do not profit so much from it since there are not much players and there is really no house edge.
3. Takes so much time to finish a tournament, or even just a single game. This is a factor to consider for both players and the operators. Since most players do not really like to wait too much and the operators do not like to have a long game since it would cost a lot more to run their poker site eating their profits.

I don't thinks , maybe your points are right but IMO I don't think so

1- yeah poker need skills and unskilled players have better chances winning at dice , but that doesn't mean that people don't want to play it
it's fun and games can last kinda long , so players are both gambling and having fun at the same time

2- operators profit way more when it comes to poker as I stated , there is house edge and that's the rake
gambling sites easily make 5-10% of the buy in for tournaments , and they make money from cash games too without taking bankroll risks
in gambling when a player wins 100K he is winning it directly from the casino bankroll , while in poker this profit comes directly from other players

there are many players who are willing to join a good bitcoin poker site , as long as the owrners are trusted , the software is good
we haven't had a single site like that so far , so can't know for sure

3- the time shouldn't be a problem , you can choose the games that suit you like me personally I don't play the tourneys in ACR cause they need a lot of time but other people like that so that's not a factor

at worst case the site can create a game like spin & go in stars , where games last like 5 mins on avg and people can choose the games that suit them

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A few things why I think there are not much good online poker gambling sites,

1. Because it is just a niche kind of gambling game. There is not much players looking to play poker to gamble. Since in poker you need to be more than lucky in it, you also need skill. There is a smaller chance to win in poker than in just playing games like dice, if you do not have enough skill.
2. Ultimately related to number 1, is that gambling sites and operators do not profit so much from it since there are not much players and there is really no house edge.
3. Takes so much time to finish a tournament, or even just a single game. This is a factor to consider for both players and the operators. Since most players do not really like to wait too much and the operators do not like to have a long game since it would cost a lot more to run their poker site eating their profits.

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Quote from: mostkey on November 12, 2017, 09:47:55 PM

Have you ever bermaon di betcoin.ag? I think there is good enough to play poker with bitcoin. with hundreds of poker rooms that exist there can make it easier for us to choose which room we want to follow.

Betcoin isn't pure bitcoin gambling site , they have some cash games for bitcoin but the traffic is so low
people play on betcoin poker just to play WPN games , and these games are USD based not bitcoin

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referring to this question, it is not easy to make a gambling house for gambling, because they have to have a high security system and also the strength of the edge of the house so as not to lose

it's easy , just remember poker doesn't need a lot of funds to start a site cause in poker there is no variance for the site since they keep making money for every game that's being played at their site
unlike normal casino games where sometimes the casino lose , in poker the chances of a site losing is way smaller ( like running a lot of promotions and not raking back that amount )

so still can't figure out why the big bitcoin casinos haven't launched bitcoin poker

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Quote from: SyGambler on November 12, 2017, 07:06:16 PM

so I have asked myself this question a thousand time , some bitcoin gambling sites are having great success but yet we fail to see a single good poker room after seals with clubs stopped ( wasn't that good but comparing it with these times it was great )

we see thousands of bitcoins being gambled daily on sites like primedice , betkings , nitrogen ...etc but yet we don't have a single succeful poker site ( nitrogen room isn't good especially with that software they are using )

why the sites admins here aren't going for that ?? bitcoin poker can destroy all the big sites

I see a lot of poker pros like Dougpolk , Kevin Martin , Mike McDonald ...etc are investing in bitcoin and other crypto so even big players will tend to play more bitcoin poker if there are some active sites

Have you ever bermaon di betcoin.ag? I think there is good enough to play poker with bitcoin. with hundreds of poker rooms that exist there can make it easier for us to choose which room we want to follow.

Quote from: SyGambler on November 12, 2017, 07:06:16 PM

I hope to hear from the admins of the big sites as well , like stunna and dooglus
is it hard to launch a poker site ??

if referring to this question, it is not easy to make a gambling house for gambling, because they have to have a high security system and also the strength of the edge of the house so as not to lose

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so I have asked myself this question a thousand time , some bitcoin gambling sites are having great success but yet we fail to see a single good poker room after seals with clubs stopped ( wasn't that good but comparing it with these times it was great )

we see thousands of bitcoins being gambled daily on sites like primedice , betkings , nitrogen ...etc but yet we don't have a single succeful poker site ( nitrogen room isn't good especially with that software they are using )

why the sites admins here aren't going for that ?? bitcoin poker can destroy all the big sites

I see a lot of poker pros like Dougpolk , Kevin Martin , Mike McDonald ...etc are investing in bitcoin and other crypto so even big players will tend to play more bitcoin poker if there are some active sites

I hope to hear from the admins of the big sites as well , like stunna and dooglus
is it hard to launch a poker site ??

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