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I feel like we have received many informative and reasonable answers to my question, and the most important ones I've gathered is that online casinos have only recently been legalized in the US and before that people had to take a trip and travel to special places where casinos are based.
With all these regulations it leaves little time for casinos to invest elsewhere. But also the new law that regulate online gambling opened better doors for newcomers to establish themselves first.
Some answers also were that there are concerns that this move (having both casino versions)  could be risky, potentially leading to bankruptcy, as gamblers might prefer online gambling from home rather than traveling to the land based casino and spending time and money to start gambling while it can be done by few clicks.
This thread will be closed now, and I'm thankful to everyone who shared their answers. This way there won't be a need to reopen the topic or restart the conversation.
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I wonder why real or land based casinos are not offering a virtual or online version of their casino ( I never seen one yet). If they can afford to open a physical casino it seems easy for them to invest in a virtual one as well, possibly combining both to create an experience similar to what Evolution Gaming offers.
And if you are asking why i thought about this it’s simply because by doing it they can expand their business to reach and provide a more reliable and trustworthy platform for gamblers. Just recently we have seen unfortunate cases where online casinos have scammed users and disappeared with their deposits, often due to unknown teams and creators behind these platforms

We never know though. These businessmen thinks differently than everyone not in the same industry, so your idea is something that they've already thought about for sure, but there are certain things they need to consider in fact expanding their business does not only limited to engage in the online world. I'm not sure of it if one of their concern is about taxation.
Also, land base casinos specialty are offering tourist a complete accommodation to enjoy their stay. So, an online version of their casino is something not relevant because their clients wants human interactions while on vacation. Nobody wants to have a vacation to be just staying in their room longer.
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It's also to a double advantage though... If a landbase casino decides to develop an online version of their service, then they're entitled to a double, or even a triple turn over...


It is not always that way you are seeing it. I believe if such happen, those gamblers who are already playing their land base are also likely to be those also signing up to the online with just very few more to it. But usually the patronage may not be widely different because someone betting on the land casino will not have much to bet online and vice versa.


It's quite exhausting and time-taking as there are so many processes behind the validation protocol.. apparently, that's the reason any landbase casino owner won't wanna conceive the idea of putting up a software structure too... Secondly, they'll be entitled to double expenses since they'll be managing boths interface.

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You are right on it. There is a reason to choose a land based casino. The owner may not want to undergo the processes of online casino and if he comes up with the idea later, it means he has prepared to take up the challenge.
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I wonder why real or land based casinos are not offering a virtual or online version of their casino ( I never seen one yet). If they can afford to open a physical casino it seems easy for them to invest in a virtual one as well, possibly combining both to create an experience similar to what Evolution Gaming offers.
And if you are asking why i thought about this it’s simply because by doing it they can expand their business to reach and provide a more reliable and trustworthy platform for gamblers. Just recently we have seen unfortunate cases where online casinos have scammed users and disappeared with their deposits, often due to unknown teams and creators behind these platforms
There's a value attached to those land based casinos because of their purpose, nearly all of them were not made basically the to directly generate money for the owners but to serve as means of entertainment and burning of  leisure time by guests and that's why they're mostly located in resorts area. Just like others have said it's mainly for tourists pleasures so they don't feel boredom throughout their stay, so therefore, adding an online version imo both can't reconcile under same gambling house.

Don't think that it is, since the purpose of the owner of those casino is to gain profit from gamblers they are not there just to have fun since they know gambling business generate a lot of money. The reason why they are mostly located at resorts is because they want to make an extravagant ambience and can create a impression that they can get a lot of fun here and they are not targeting low ballers but rather they are there to deal with those rich people who can spend a lot of money on their casino.
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I wonder why real or land based casinos are not offering a virtual or online version of their casino ( I never seen one yet). If they can afford to open a physical casino it seems easy for them to invest in a virtual one as well, possibly combining both to create an experience similar to what Evolution Gaming offers.
And if you are asking why i thought about this it’s simply because by doing it they can expand their business to reach and provide a more reliable and trustworthy platform for gamblers. Just recently we have seen unfortunate cases where online casinos have scammed users and disappeared with their deposits, often due to unknown teams and creators behind these platforms
There's a value attached to those land based casinos because of their purpose, nearly all of them were not made basically the to directly generate money for the owners but to serve as means of entertainment and burning of  leisure time by guests and that's why they're mostly located in resorts area. Just like others have said it's mainly for tourists pleasures so they don't feel boredom throughout their stay, so therefore, adding an online version imo both can't reconcile under same gambling house. And a distraction on the side of owners on decision which to give more attention  may arise creating poor management. In business it's advisable to hkeep a stronghold on the area you're doing great not becoming jack of all trades master of none at the end.
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It's also to a double advantage though... If a landbase casino decides to develop an online version of their service, then they're entitled to a double, or even a triple turn over...
It's quite exhausting and time-taking as there are so many processes behind the validation protocol.. apparently, that's the reason any landbase casino owner won't wanna conceive the idea of putting up a software structure too... Secondly, they'll be entitled to double expenses since they'll be managing boths interface.

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I wonder why real or land based casinos are not offering a virtual or online version of their casino ( I never seen one yet). If they can afford to open a physical casino it seems easy for them to invest in a virtual one as well, possibly combining both to create an experience similar to what Evolution Gaming offers.
And if you are asking why i thought about this it’s simply because by doing it they can expand their business to reach and provide a more reliable and trustworthy platform for gamblers. Just recently we have seen unfortunate cases where online casinos have scammed users and disappeared with their deposits, often due to unknown teams and creators behind these platforms

If you think about America for example, it was only relatively recently that they started to open up online gambling again because they had it banned for quite some time. This means that many casinos are in a rush for online real estate right now that laws are being relaxed across states. Previously if people in the US wanted to gamble then it was a trip to Vegas as one of the most lenient places, which is why it was able to produce such a reputation and get a cluster of mega size casinos. In many other countries in the world where it's legal you will find that physical casinos have an online counterpart which will take in bets, however it might not be named the same because a lot of good online domains have been taken
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It's because that's where their business lies, physically and locally. While it's a good idea that they should have their web version but they just can't.
The ambiance that they offer to their customers is what their business is also circulating, physically. If it's not with that way of servicing to their gamblers, many will stop going there.
And that's what they're made for, to operate physically and the appearance of their gamblers is what's make them easy to convey their marketing on them as it will be like that they're going to miss the better place if they will gamble online.
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I have read that there are some land based casino that also offers online gambling platform, but it is unheard for us since we rarely visit more than two or three land-based casino. We can only find the information while searching online. Aside from that I also think that @ mu_enrico reply makes sense.  They need to compete and attract more tourist to play in their casino vicinity so they focus their effort and budget in developing and expanding their land based operation making it more appealing and gain more acknowledgement in terms of customer services and user experience.
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I wonder why real or land based casinos are not offering a virtual or online version of their casino ( I never seen one yet). If they can afford to open a physical casino it seems easy for them to invest in a virtual one as well, possibly combining both to create an experience similar to what Evolution Gaming offers.
And if you are asking why i thought about this it’s simply because by doing it they can expand their business to reach and provide a more reliable and trustworthy platform for gamblers. Just recently we have seen unfortunate cases where online casinos have scammed users and disappeared with their deposits, often due to unknown teams and creators behind these platforms


This is really a valid suggestion and I wonder why the casinos have not thought about it. The purpose of the casino business is to attract gamblers and make money. If the casino opens both physical and online versions of the casino, this would mean that they will attract both type of audience, the one who want to visit to a physical casino and the other one who would like to stay at home and gamble.

As the popularity of online casinos is increasing with every passing day, it is essential for physical casinos to have an online presence of their casino. Those casinos that adapt to the new changes are likely to survive as compared to those who don't like the change.
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Many of these land-based casinos are tourist based they not only promote their casinos but the hotel and everything around them like entertainers many of these casinos are government own or affiliated with the government so they concentrate on taxes coming from tourists but we do have a list of land-based casinos with online versions and besides these land-based casinos can sustain their business without an online version, and it's manageable to run a land-based casino.

https://www.livecasinocomparer.com/land-based-casinos/
I agree on this one on which they are really that focusing something on which they would really be able to sustain out despite on not to make out some online version.Just like you said that this is really that focusing

on tourist based or local recognition on which they wont really be needing on making up some additional field for them to operate on if they do see that offline operation is already that sufficient or really that
profitable. Thanks for giving out that link showing up those land based casinos on having their online version. Doesnt really matter that much whether they would be having online or offline version
because casino owners would really be making out such step if they do really find out if they would really be needing up some expansion or not and just like been said that it would really matter or depend
on the owner if they would really be needing it up or not or simply stick on the current operation that they do.
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I wonder why real or land based casinos are not offering a virtual or online version of their casino ( I never seen one yet). If they can afford to open a physical casino it seems easy for them to invest in a virtual one as well, possibly combining both to create an experience similar to what Evolution Gaming offers.
It is a business, and business decisions are difficult to take especially when there are many decision makers in the business. For you an outsider who know know nothing about running a business really, you may see some business decisions as very easy to make because of ignorance sometimes. Also diversification or branching into new environment may not always the be the best choice for every business. It takes a lot to open an online casino and manage it alongside a physical place. The expansion can either crush or uplift your business.
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I wonder why real or land based casinos are not offering a virtual or online version of their casino ( I never seen one yet). If they can afford to open a physical casino it seems easy for them to invest in a virtual one as well, possibly combining both to create an experience similar to what Evolution Gaming offers.
And if you are asking why i thought about this it’s simply because by doing it they can expand their business to reach and provide a more reliable and trustworthy platform for gamblers. Just recently we have seen unfortunate cases where online casinos have scammed users and disappeared with their deposits, often due to unknown teams and creators behind these platforms
Though I am not sure whether they have an online version or not but I think for these they have several reasons for not operating online casinos:
1. They do not feel comfortable crypto currency
2. They do not feel comfortable online currencies
3. They do not feel secure of online platform for hack and other reasons.
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A casino is like a mall and the game providers like Evolution, Pragmatic, etc., are like tenants. Some successfully open up an online mall, but most of them cannot compete with the likes of Amazon or Alibaba. Why? Because they require different expertise, so you can't expect these land-based casinos to know about load balancing, servers, good UI, good mobile apps, etc., it's just too much for them. These land casinos are more focused on property and tourism, such as acquiring new strategic lands, building beautiful resorts, etc.
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The fact that you do not see them with the same name or that you do not know them does not mean that they do not exist, at least some have commercial relations, but in any case it is a "legal" situation, why associate with an online casino with the same physical name if you can do it efficiently under another brand.

From what I know, they do endorse online games that their own casino doesn't offer and here we are actually answering OP's question. They don't want competition because they know how addictive online gambling is and at the same time their brick and mortar casinos are more expensive to run. They aren't going to undermine their own operation by offering something like an online live casino that takes place in their location (familiar place) with the same tables and dealers. They could lose their long time clients this way.
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The fact that you do not see them with the same name or that you do not know them does not mean that they do not exist, at least some have commercial relations, but in any case it is a "legal" situation, why associate with an online casino with the same physical name if you can do it efficiently under another brand.

Surely you think about it because of the traditional brands that subsist online with the same brand as offline.

In any case, something that is quite close to what you mention happens with the WSOP[1] and WPT tournaments, to name only them, they were face-to-face tournaments, that was their main value but with the arrival of the Internet they turned the brand into online.

WPT has its app, its online page, online and face-to-face tournaments, and they are linked to physical casinos in Las Vegas.

The mythical Horsoe casino, which now has another name and was renovated, They have the venue for this main tournament[1], which through its website offered online satellites to play in person in those casinos.

Same line of idea like that, the casino at Bahamas has commercial relations with pokerstars, and if we go to the European casinos, it is the same situation, you can even play satellites in any of these popular online casinos and end up playing in The Casino Montecarlo for a satellite of $100.

So, if you don't see it, it does not mean that it does not exist or that the type of business has changed, it also means that land-based casino businesses differ from online licenses, permits, etc. So these business relationships are a kind of outsourcing, etc..
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It is a very interesting and serious point that you are making about land-based casinos not really entering the virtual realm, despite the fact that you would expect them to do so. Why would they not want to provide online versions of their games?

Consider, however, that the reason may lay in the perceived complexity and advantages of physical engagement and real-time experiences. Creating an online platform is not exactly a simple task. It necessitates technological expertise, software, and hardware, as well as the ever-present legalities and regulations.

Your point about scams is completely valid and very serious, but don't you think that land-based casinos would prefer to keep their hands pure and stay away from the somewhat murky world of virtual gaming? Just a thought, really.
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What seems the problem of the land based casinos is accepting cryptocurrency. Even when they have online version, they still stick to fiat.

This is due to their license. Unlike the typical crypto company that use Curacao license to operate freely with crypto currency. Most of land based casino has a license limited to the country they are established. Using crypto currencies might not be included on their local license or they don’t want to invest on cryptocurrency at all since they re traditional business that typically avoid risk of volatility in cryptocurrency.

Some of them create difficulties company and register separately a casino that accepts cryptocurrency just like 1xbet and their sister company 1xbit and more.
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Many of these land-based casinos are tourist based they not only promote their casinos but the hotel and everything around them like entertainers many of these casinos are government own or affiliated with the government so they concentrate on taxes coming from tourists but we do have a list of land-based casinos with online versions and besides these land-based casinos can sustain their business without an online version, and it's manageable to run a land-based casino.

https://www.livecasinocomparer.com/land-based-casinos/

some of these land-based casinos are now creating their online version especially when this pandemic hit us. they understood the importance of having online version in case people can't visit them physically. but usually, their means of payment method is fiat-based, though some are starting to accept cryptocurrencies.
i've seen in the forum alone that couple of previously fiat-based casinos are now also accepting crypto. they need to adopt the current trend or else, some of their patrons will go somewhere else.
Many of the traditional land base casinos have now an online version and according to Jaz this happened mainly during covid-19 when then offline casinos suffered many loses due to unavailability of customers. During this period, the online casinos blossomed greatly and after the covid-19 lessons, many companies not only gambling now have their offline and online versions.
What seems the problem of the land based casinos is accepting cryptocurrency. Even when they have online version, they still stick to fiat.
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I wonder why real or land based casinos are not offering a virtual or online version of their casino ( I never seen one yet). If they can afford to open a physical casino it seems easy for them to invest in a virtual one as well, possibly combining both to create an experience similar to what Evolution Gaming offers.
My guess is, maybe over time and some of the technological advances that we see currently being used by online casinos, I believe physical casino innovations are made into online casinos, sure to increase users and in line with the progress of the online gambling industry, maybe they have thought about that, maybe a different brand of casino, founder of a one-man casino physical casino or online casino.

I think that currently many physical casinos are switching to online casinos, maybe we just don't know what physical casino owners are actually doing.
I'm sure that online casino owners matured on playing on a physical casino. There's a posibility that they dreamed on having their own casino with the experience of the in's and out of a casino. One thing that can make their own casino without a very heavy cost of establishing real machines is to utilize the technology that we have mow which is being able to run a casino online. I also think that sooner or later, physical casinosnwill transition into an online casino.
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I wonder why real or land based casinos are not offering a virtual or online version of their casino ( I never seen one yet). If they can afford to open a physical casino it seems easy for them to invest in a virtual one as well, possibly combining both to create an experience similar to what Evolution Gaming offers.
My guess is, maybe over time and some of the technological advances that we see currently being used by online casinos, I believe physical casino innovations are made into online casinos, sure to increase users and in line with the progress of the online gambling industry, maybe they have thought about that, maybe a different brand of casino, founder of a one-man casino physical casino or online casino.

I think that currently many physical casinos are switching to online casinos, maybe we just don't know what physical casino owners are actually doing.
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I wonder why real or land based casinos are not offering a virtual or online version of their casino ( I never seen one yet). If they can afford to open a physical casino it seems easy for them to invest in a virtual one as well, possibly combining both to create an experience similar to what Evolution Gaming offers.
And if you are asking why i thought about this it’s simply because by doing it they can expand their business to reach and provide a more reliable and trustworthy platform for gamblers. Just recently we have seen unfortunate cases where online casinos have scammed users and disappeared with their deposits, often due to unknown teams and creators behind these platforms

The reason is they are using different brand name for their online casino. Physical casino usually owned by a group of companies focus on gambling. They are investing on different casino ventures online while still operating their own land based casino. You can verify this by checking the owner of online casino since most them is venture companies for gambling.

It’s contradicting for them to launch their own online casino with same brand since their customers might just play online and make their physical investments worthless.
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An online version of land-based casinos will take a long time to launch because games in land-based casinos can be slower than online casinos. Here, the gameplay speed depends on various factors and cannot be increased only by the gamer's own will. Online games are not only convenient but also as fast as possible. By running the virtual reels you can always increase their spin speed or even turn on auto-spin mode with preset loss and win limits. Even if the user chooses to play online with live dealers, they will still do everything in half the time compared to land clubs. Land-based casinos allow fewer stakes. Compared to playing in land-based casinos, online games pay higher.

Land-based and virtual casinos have different business models, as the formers can monetize offering different (lower-paced if you want) services like drinks, shows, (weddings? Cheesy). Online casinos, on the contrary, can offer their services to a massive public, so even if most of them only play a few cents at a time, it is profitable.

To me, I still think that a hybrid between both worlds is not only possible, but the future of gambling.
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An online version of land-based casinos will take a long time to launch because games in land-based casinos can be slower than online casinos. Here, the gameplay speed depends on various factors and cannot be increased only by the gamer's own will. Online games are not only convenient but also as fast as possible. By running the virtual reels you can always increase their spin speed or even turn on auto-spin mode with preset loss and win limits. Even if the user chooses to play online with live dealers, they will still do everything in half the time compared to land clubs. Land-based casinos allow fewer stakes. Compared to playing in land-based casinos, online games pay higher.
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Just recently we have seen unfortunate cases where online casinos have scammed users and disappeared with their deposits, often due to unknown teams and creators behind these platforms

It is understandable that both offline and online casino are not serving same purpose, most play online because of the privacy.

I understand this point probably because of the incidence of scam where online casino just disappear without trace, at least if they had offline casino then they wouldn't disappear like that into tin air without any trace. I think to play in more reputable casino is more trusted than new ones, casinos like stake have been there, tasted and trusted with personalities that identify with them.
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I wonder why real or land based casinos are not offering a virtual or online version of their casino ( I never seen one yet). If they can afford to open a physical casino it seems easy for them to invest in a virtual one as well, possibly combining both to create an experience similar to what Evolution Gaming offers.
And if you are asking why i thought about this it’s simply because by doing it they can expand their business to reach and provide a more reliable and trustworthy platform for gamblers. Just recently we have seen unfortunate cases where online casinos have scammed users and disappeared with their deposits, often due to unknown teams and creators behind these platforms

Quite a difficult question for me to answer. the thing is, I've never tried to find out if a land-based casino is also building its business for online casinos. Maybe yes, but not all land based casinos are operating at online casinos. As for those who have a business in the online gambling sector, it is very likely that the online casino they have is fiat-based. Or it could be, if a land-based casino owner participates in investing in an online casino. but for sure, we do not know it. After all, even if there is a reputable land casino and they also have the idea to build an online gambling platform, it is not certain that they are interested in building a crypto casino.

Referring to the points you said, it's not something new for us if some online casinos cheat their users. if that's the point, I think cases like that could happen in any casino. and it's not just the case with crypto casinos, in fact there seem to be plenty of rogue online fiat casinos. actually for me it's very simple, if we in the community have several casinos that are licensed and trustworthy, even have a credible reputation. So, for me, the casino we have here is more than enough.
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If they are successful in land based casinos then why change your business model? Yeah for sure having a online version might do as much, but it's not going to be easy as people traditionally loves to go to land based and have that kind of experience. And now that we are allowed to gamble to land based, then for sure, they are making a lot of money again day in day out and could be in the momentum to at least recover some that they lost in years due to pandemic. And then we have jobs as well inside and even outside of the casinos. So it doesn't make sense for land based version to have their online today. They are already good and their businesses are booming again with their traditional based casinos.
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That's just their choice, sooner or later there's will be a casino which have land based and online version.

The biggest reason why land based casino don't want to launch the online version is there are many online casinos better than them. Land based casino is strict and will ask you to submit KYC during registration or before making deposit, while crypto casino will let you to gamble without need to verify your account.
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I wonder why real or land based casinos are not offering a virtual or online version of their casino ( I never seen one yet). If they can afford to open a physical casino it seems easy for them to invest in a virtual one as well, possibly combining both to create an experience similar to what Evolution Gaming offers.
And if you are asking why i thought about this it’s simply because by doing it they can expand their business to reach and provide a more reliable and trustworthy platform for gamblers. Just recently we have seen unfortunate cases where online casinos have scammed users and disappeared with their deposits, often due to unknown teams and creators behind these platforms
Everybody has their own market and I think when you focus on land-based casinos then when you create something new with the online version it's going to divide fans and I don't think that's good. On the other hand, the need for more people to do this makes them spend more on salaries which makes them have to rethink.

They realize this is bound to happen so it would be better to do one of the land-based or online casinos right (not both) because of course competition, expenses and customer division are the worst conditions for doing something like that.
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I wonder why real or land based casinos are not offering a virtual or online version of their casino ( I never seen one yet). If they can afford to open a physical casino it seems easy for them to invest in a virtual one as well, possibly combining both to create an experience similar to what Evolution Gaming offers.
And if you are asking why i thought about this it’s simply because by doing it they can expand their business to reach and provide a more reliable and trustworthy platform for gamblers. Just recently we have seen unfortunate cases where online casinos have scammed users and disappeared with their deposits, often due to unknown teams and creators behind these platforms

During the pandemic, there was casino's at least in our place that you can play with them, online. I mean this is a traditional based casinos, but since they are close, they decided to have a online version of their casinos. How do I know? they send emails back then to their customers saying that you can still play with them, but the catch is that there is minimum deposit like $100 if my memory serves me right. Didn't play though, and waited till everything is normal.

But perhaps what they don't have to have their own online version is that it might be hard to maintain. You already have billions of dollars in land based casinos, so why complicated things and open a online version wherein there will be overhead cost and there are a lot of competitions specially from crypto based platform? Doesn't make sense in a business point of view.
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There are still many gamblers that prefer going to locations to gamble, for fun and for money making purposes, if a offline casino is doing well they might be occupied enough not to have time for online casino, because both won't be able easy to manage anyways, it will even cost more to set up an online casino, I think this depends on the owner, if they feel they can handle both then they can do it.

I do know that many offline casinos are own by businessmen, and they also have many other businesses apart from the casino, so it depends on the person that own the casino and what they want or plan to do, but it's not going to be that easy.
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I wonder why real or land based casinos are not offering a virtual or online version of their casino ( I never seen one yet). If they can afford to open a physical casino it seems easy for them to invest in a virtual one as well, possibly combining both to create an experience similar to what Evolution Gaming offers.
And if you are asking why i thought about this it’s simply because by doing it they can expand their business to reach and provide a more reliable and trustworthy platform for gamblers. Just recently we have seen unfortunate cases where online casinos have scammed users and disappeared with their deposits, often due to unknown teams and creators behind these platforms

This is an interesting perspective- you are indeed correct. Most of the physical-based casinos have yet to open or start their respective online counterparts. I am also wondering on why they are not capitalizing on this opportunity given that they have established themselves in the community as a legit business.

Maybe one of the reasons on why they are avoiding creating an online gambling platform is because they want to persuade and convince their users to personally visit their physical casino? Maybe the proceeds of a person visiting their physical casino is greater than what they have forecasted in the event that they create an online platform?

To be honest, they are somehow missing international customers from accessing their online gambling platform which can greatly increase their overall revenue.
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you touched on a very interesting point, I believe that the problem that makes the majority of physical casinos not choose to also have online casinos (I saw someone saying that there are physical casinos that also operate online casinos) is that when you create a physical casino, the owner of the casino does a feasibility study, they know that in a certain city and neighborhood there are people from the middle class upwards, there are many people over 18 years of age, there are many people who like beer and other alcoholic beverages, there are people who like luxury and spend money on expensive things. therefore, the person responsible for the feasibility study recommends that a luxury casino be placed in that neighborhood

once the casino is built, the owner has invested a lot of money in the casino, he has employees and he has operating costs and he also creates a customer base and offers a type of service that becomes something exclusive and because of this type of exclusive service that makes so that people from that city and neighborhood always frequent the physical casino, so far everything will be going well, but if the owner of the casino creates an online casino he will make that part of those people who attend the physical casino stop going to the physical casino and keep playing in the online casino, this could make the operating costs of the physical casino unsustainable because the revenues would be lower due to the reduction in the number of customers

and also the owner of the physical casino could not take the profit of the online casino to cover the operating costs of the physical casino. this reasoning of mine also applies to an online casino that wants to have a physical casino, having both casinos requires a greater feasibility study and a good business and management strategy.
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I know some online casinos that started their journey offline, but as Time Goes On the online casino income is not enticing for them to keep the business online Alive so they abandon the online project and focus more on the offline casino and I think this depends on how they manage their businesses and the end results will vary so it is normal if a project progresses online and performs very bad offline or vice versa, they only need to try it out and see what happens, you can't predict the outcome of a business until you try it out.

Even if you have a working product it doesn't mean that the world will welcome the product and your company will start progressing, there are cases where the world abandoned products and the business folds up, it is normal.

Any business can flourish online and perform worse offline, or performs worse online and more progressive offline.
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I think land casino owners own online casinos too even they won't have just one business of course there are many other businesses like building hotels and other entertainment places around their land casinos logically do you see online casinos have a lot of money where do they get it if not an online casino owner as well is owning a business in a land based casino as well.

There's no way you'd see a big online casino even survive today if they're not a rich person or have a business in a land casino, for example since the covid pandemic why did online casinos increase I think land casinos switched to online casinos and they're the ones who built it since today they probably run both and even the other business.  Cheesy
Yes, and usually a businessman who has a casino business must have another business because the majority of business people will never be satisfied if they only have one place of business.
But so far regarding land casinos, I have also never seen or known of any land casinos that have virtual or online versions, maybe due to a lack of a team or more budget because running two casino businesses at the same time definitely requires more teams working and budget to develop both the business.

But if you look at the development of the gambling industry, the virtual or online version is developing much faster and more rapidly.
Of course land casinos and online casinos are promising businesses and both will soon be present in one casino place, it's just that it may require a process that is not easy and also time consuming.
and maybe for another reason land casinos are still in great demand and are also still profitable and because there are still many land casino enthusiasts compared to online or virtual casinos because online casinos have no social interaction.
and one of the biggest drawbacks of online casinos is the lack of social interaction. Players cannot interact with other players or dealers directly, which can be a drawback for some who prefer a social atmosphere when gambling. And since land-based casinos are still very profitable, it may be a consideration for casinos to provide online or virtual casinos, maybe one day they will think about that.
and for another reason it may be due to technical issues if something goes wrong due to internet use and they have to think about and study it and also legal limits.
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Maybe this is related to the issue of permission to add various kinds of gambling games that offline casino voters have not yet known, so not many offline casinos have expanded their business by creating online casinos. But if they can connect their offline casino and online casino, that will obviously make their gambling business even bigger because the users are local and foreign gamblers who also play at the casino.

But connecting a business from offline to online is not easy and may require a lot of preparation to be done. And the owners of offline casinos don't want to think much about it and as long as the offline casinos can still make a lot of profit, the casino owners don't want to make their casinos online yet.
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I wonder why real or land based casinos are not offering a virtual or online version of their casino ( I never seen one yet). If they can afford to open a physical casino it seems easy for them to invest in a virtual one as well, possibly combining both to create an experience similar to what Evolution Gaming offers.
And if you are asking why i thought about this it’s simply because by doing it they can expand their business to reach and provide a more reliable and trustworthy platform for gamblers. Just recently we have seen unfortunate cases where online casinos have scammed users and disappeared with their deposits, often due to unknown teams and creators behind these platforms

I'm sure there must be casinos out there operating in both the online and offline (land based casinos) sector, it's just hard to find them with valid data. But if we talk about security where there is fraud or something like that, we can easily ask for the location where the casino is. Therefore Online Casinos try to avoid such things, even though they have no intention of cheating gamblers in the first place. Then to maintain the principle of previous casino history where land casinos make activities more stressful, interactions between fellow gamblers are more realistic and can identify each other, whereas if we look at online casinos, they are individual and the level of cheating is higher if we play at the wrong casino.
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I think land casino owners own online casinos too even they won't have just one business of course there are many other businesses like building hotels and other entertainment places around their land casinos logically do you see online casinos have a lot of money where do they get it if not an online casino owner as well is owning a business in a land based casino as well.

There's no way you'd see a big online casino even survive today if they're not a rich person or have a business in a land casino, for example since the covid pandemic why did online casinos increase I think land casinos switched to online casinos and they're the ones who built it since today they probably run both and even the other business.  Cheesy
Yes, and usually a businessman who has a casino business must have another business because the majority of business people will never be satisfied if they only have one place of business.
But so far regarding land casinos, I have also never seen or known of any land casinos that have virtual or online versions, maybe due to a lack of a team or more budget because running two casino businesses at the same time definitely requires more teams working and budget to develop both the business.

But if you look at the development of the gambling industry, the virtual or online version is developing much faster and more rapidly.
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I wonder why real or land based casinos are not offering a virtual or online version of their casino ( I never seen one yet). If they can afford to open a physical casino it seems easy for them to invest in a virtual one as well, possibly combining both to create an experience similar to what Evolution Gaming offers.
And if you are asking why i thought about this it’s simply because by doing it they can expand their business to reach and provide a more reliable and trustworthy platform for gamblers. Just recently we have seen unfortunate cases where online casinos have scammed users and disappeared with their deposits, often due to unknown teams and creators behind these platforms
There are some land base casinos in my country that do operate online, or should i say all land casinos in my country operates online, most people prefer to gamble online, some people don't really like visiting gambling house when they want to gamble, they prefer to gamble at their comfort zone that's why most land gambling sites decided to create online version, to attract more customers, but the problem is that they only accept fiat currency and i haven't seen anyone that accept cryptocurrency, but am sure with time well come when they will start accepting cryptocurrency.
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I wonder why real or land based casinos are not offering a virtual or online version of their casino ( I never seen one yet). If they can afford to open a physical casino it seems easy for them to invest in a virtual one as well, possibly combining both to create an experience similar to what Evolution Gaming offers.
And if you are asking why i thought about this it’s simply because by doing it they can expand their business to reach and provide a more reliable and trustworthy platform for gamblers. Just recently we have seen unfortunate cases where online casinos have scammed users and disappeared with their deposits, often due to unknown teams and creators behind these platforms

If the casino owner will have both a land based and an online casino, then what's the point for the gamblers to visit the land based casino?
Most of the tech savvy gamblers(who are using PC and smartphones) would stick to the online casino, so the visitors of the offline casino will decrease, which might lead to financial losses. The cost of maintaining a physical casino is way higher than the cost of maintaining an online casino.
Is there a guarantee that a physical casino owner won't scam the users on his online casino? Why do you think that land based casino owners are more legit than online casino owners? I don't see any difference.
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I wonder why real or land based casinos are not offering a virtual or online version of their casino ( I never seen one yet). If they can afford to open a physical casino it seems easy for them to invest in a virtual one as well, possibly combining both to create an experience similar to what Evolution Gaming offers.
And if you are asking why i thought about this it’s simply because by doing it they can expand their business to reach and provide a more reliable and trustworthy platform for gamblers. Just recently we have seen unfortunate cases where online casinos have scammed users and disappeared with their deposits, often due to unknown teams and creators behind these platforms
there are two territories the Online and Land base casinos, I think this question has been tackled before and the answers are almost the same , why do they need to have both when they can own one?

or who knows that those Land base casino owners are not owning at least one of our Online casinos?

for me , casino owners are deep into it , so every form of gambling that they can generate money will surely the objective, so maybe they are having but not operating in same name as they can have less expenses in taxation in Online casinos.
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It is not true that land-based casinos don't have online versions. In Spain it is very famous the Gran Madrid Casino which has not only several buildings in the capital city but also online gambling (mobile, desktop and even television, at dawn, in one of the main tv channels in the country).

I guess that for many legacy casinos whose business is still profitable it is simply much trouble to open different channels, but I think that there is no doubt that future generations will demand more and more online services.

I think that in Serbia all land-based casinos have their online versions... but I am not totally sure about that, it's what I am picking from all the commercials around, I gamble only with crypto.

I agree with you that there will be more demand for online services in the future, but some legacy casinos will keep their doors open for people who like to visit land-based casinos, and there will always be people who prefer that over online gambling.
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Having a brick-and-mortar casino and also an online version will probably make the laundering very easy.

But regulators will likely be watching them closely if they try to have an online casino especially if they accept crypto. And it will need another license as well which is not going to be easy to get, unlike the usual Curacao license. And then they will be training new personnel which will be handled with a more technical CEO. I'm also not sure if there is an existing casino with such setup already but I'm sure they do have plans to go online.
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I think land casino owners own online casinos too even they won't have just one business of course there are many other businesses like building hotels and other entertainment places around their land casinos logically do you see online casinos have a lot of money where do they get it if not an online casino owner as well is owning a business in a land based casino as well.

There's no way you'd see a big online casino even survive today if they're not a rich person or have a business in a land casino, for example since the covid pandemic why did online casinos increase I think land casinos switched to online casinos and they're the ones who built it since today they probably run both and even the other business.  Cheesy
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It is because they target different kind of "customers"/players.While offline casinos offer better options for people of a certain age that they want to see women around them serving them drinks and food as perks for following the casino and other type of benefits the online casinos target a completely different type of players,the ones who love to play when they are alone and they don't want or feel really uncomfortable playing with a lot of other people around them and this is why I believe we have not seen yet one offline casino to open an online version of itself.
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They might still feel comfortable with the offline casino so try virtual or make the casino online to provide more users visiting the casino. But it's only a matter of time for them because, amid the current development of the internet, you can take advantage of internet technology to grow your business even bigger. And there may also be some offline casinos trying to develop their casinos into an online form.

If offline casinos can make a virtual version, of course, the source of income for casino owners will increase, especially since we know that there are more and more online casino users nowadays. So the benefits that casino owners can obtain will also be even greater.

A wise casino owner will look at all possibilities to grow his casino even bigger. And the unlimited capabilities of the internet can give the casino the ability to have more members and that means bigger profits can also be obtained.
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those who frequent a live casino are not the typical frequenter of a virtual casino.
there is a strong difference between the two activities and although some brands are "strong" in the area or for a certain circle of bettors, for others they would be completely unknown so the advantage of having a strong brand practically no longer exists.

in my country there are just few "house of games" (in Italy casino are called in that way) but no one has a brand... and yes I know some famous international casino but they have something like zero appeal here ....
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It is not a simple transformation and definitely requires some complex considerations such as:

- Legal and regulatory licensing processes: You shouldn't dream of expanding your casino into the online space even if you own a physical casino in Singapore.
- Adding new resources is expensive: of course it will take some time to bring in new credible people and substantial funds for new facilities to support the company's expansion.
- Interest in competition, market potential and risk of cybercrime, etc.: Actually, this consideration also looks at the facts of competence of new resources.
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It is not true that land-based casinos don't have online versions. In Spain it is very famous the Gran Madrid Casino which has not only several buildings in the capital city but also online gambling (mobile, desktop and even television, at dawn, in one of the main tv channels in the country).

As far as we can see, this is not the most common thing, but it does happen as you say. I had also thought about the Codere group, which is not exactly a casino group, but rather a sports betting, bingo and the like group, which has both an online version and physical premises. In the online version they do have casinos, but I don't know of any physical casinos that belong to them.
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I know some "brick n mortar" or land-based casinos like you called it, created online casinos during the Covid period. There was quite a few of them that popped up during that time and some of them even implemented Crypto currency deposits.

The operating cost of "brick n mortar" casinos are much higher than online casinos and people got a taste of the convenience of online gambling, so the demand shifted to a virtual experience and not physical casinos.  Tongue
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People who are used to the land based casinos might end up spending time in the physical casinos. The online version might not give them the experience they get from the land based ones. Somehow the gamblers will feel lazy and starts spending time sitting infront of the PC or some other devices for their gambling needs. When it is land based casinos the money is not just out of gambling, more business happens around and the gambling House doesn't want to limit it. In recent years during the COVID lockdown more land based casinos had their online version, but those were stopped once after the services resumed.
Well, I don't think this stops them from running an online version of their casino if they really want to, the more reason I think land based casinos are not really interested in having an online version is simply because of contentment, building, operating and maintaining an online casino comes with great responsibility and expenses, you will have to pay software engineers, security experts, data analyzers, programmers, hosting services and so on, you will still have to hire and pay customers service personnels, and on top of all this expenses, you will have to spend millions on marketing and still worry about gaining customers,  and also consider that there is a lot of competition amongst online gambling casinos already.

If you combine all this ive mentioned and many other i forgot to mention, you will discover that operating a land based casino is way easier than operating the online version, and when some of those guys who own a land based casinos consider all the facts, they are like "i am already earning enough more from the based casino, why the stress of trying to open an online version, that money could be invested in another business entirely outside a gambling casino".
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It is not true that land-based casinos don't have online versions. In Spain it is very famous the Gran Madrid Casino which has not only several buildings in the capital city but also online gambling (mobile, desktop and even television, at dawn, in one of the main tv channels in the country).

I guess that for many legacy casinos whose business is still profitable it is simply much trouble to open different channels, but I think that there is no doubt that future generations will demand more and more online services.
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Having both online casino and land based casino will be too much to manage. Moreover the land based casino are enjoying their business because they are making profits from different source like drinks,hotels,strippers and many more. It is not just gambling alone but you can interact with people and have fun by enjoying the atmosphere of the casino which will make you want to go back as a gambler. Online casino needs much resources to set up and if you don't accept cryptocurrency,it might be a big challenge for the casino. Land base can accept any currency as long as they are cool with your payment method because you privilege to talk to the management face to face. Land base casino can be used as a tourist center.
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Online casinos are getting more popular but land-based cater to specific markets, for example in Macau they go here as a tourist and a gambler at the same time.

In my country, our government operates the majority of land-based casinos since they are government-operated, it's also an income and job-generating industry so they prefer to concentrate on land-based compared to online casinos where they can employ a small number of people, and they have full control of its reputation.   
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I wonder why real or land based casinos are not offering a virtual or online version of their casino ( I never seen one yet). If they can afford to open a physical casino it seems easy for them to invest in a virtual one as well, possibly combining both to create an experience similar to what Evolution Gaming offers.
And if you are asking why i thought about this it’s simply because by doing it they can expand their business to reach and provide a more reliable and trustworthy platform for gamblers. Just recently we have seen unfortunate cases where online casinos have scammed users and disappeared with their deposits, often due to unknown teams and creators behind these platforms
In my opinion I feel, maybe the owners prefer a kind of casino business where people come together and interact in physical while they stake on different games, most times it's very entertaining than the virtual casinos, also based on the more entertaining Benefits this system offers it's very beneficial in the attraction of tourists to come have fun and most times these casinos own a night club and hotels that people could have more fun with thereby making more profi.
 However since the introduction of technology into gambling there came the introduction of online casinos where people could stake comfortably with their device at point in time, so few land casinos have also included online casinos in their company to follow the new trend and attract customers that are not opportuned to visit the casino due to some circumstances.
 
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Others have. Like BetMGM which is MGM as land-based casino and hotel. While others use a different name which I don't know what the reason behind is.

Why don't they maximize their service in online platforms? I think that is the big question here.
That's because they also want to maximize their profits in hotel and resort which is a big part of the business. The casino is most likely just for entertainment and leisure. Businesses who only focuses on casinos are most likely to not recreate their business thru online because it will require more documents and I believe another additional tax.
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I know a few casinos that have both, but not all are willing to start an online casino because it's not easy to replicate the same success they've had on their land-based casino. I remember seeing a couple of screenshots coming from random gamblers because there's one casino that is somewhat popular in my country, but the online version isn't any different from what crypto casinos have to offer. They wouldn't have a problem launching their online casino, but it could be a thorn in their side if the online casino isn't making enough profit in the long run.
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People who are used to the land based casinos might end up spending time in the physical casinos. The online version might not give them the experience they get from the land based ones. Somehow the gamblers will feel lazy and starts spending time sitting infront of the PC or some other devices for their gambling needs. When it is land based casinos the money is not just out of gambling, more business happens around and the gambling House doesn't want to limit it. In recent years during the COVID lockdown more land based casinos had their online version, but those were stopped once after the services resumed.
This is probably spot on. There are only a certain number of gamblers and if they aren't frequenting the casinos, then casino will start closing the doors.

Basically, you would see alot more bankruptcy suits in the casino industry because people will sit at home and gamble vs going to the casino and enjoying time out of their houses.
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I wonder why real or land based casinos are not offering a virtual or online version of their casino ( I never seen one yet). If they can afford to open a physical casino it seems easy for them to invest in a virtual one as well, possibly combining both to create an experience similar to what Evolution Gaming offers.
And if you are asking why i thought about this it’s simply because by doing it they can expand their business to reach and provide a more reliable and trustworthy platform for gamblers. Just recently we have seen unfortunate cases where online casinos have scammed users and disappeared with their deposits, often due to unknown teams and creators behind these platforms

Maybe its a brand marketing thing? Perhaps they do not want to mix the image of an internet casino with that of their physical casinos? I really don't know. But I understand there is a world of difference between the physical casino experience and the online casino experience. A internet casino feels a bit cheaper and antisocial, therefore the physical version is preferred, as the image of what kind of experience they are trying to sell to their customers.

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I wonder why real or land based casinos are not offering a virtual or online version of their casino ( I never seen one yet). If they can afford to open a physical casino it seems easy for them to invest in a virtual one as well, possibly combining both to create an experience similar to what Evolution Gaming offers.
And if you are asking why i thought about this it’s simply because by doing it they can expand their business to reach and provide a more reliable and trustworthy platform for gamblers. Just recently we have seen unfortunate cases where online casinos have scammed users and disappeared with their deposits, often due to unknown teams and creators behind these platforms
Physical gambling owners might really having the plans on doing so which instead on trying out to offer or launching up some online version they would rather be putting up those allocation or budget on enhancing way more than with their physical ones. We know that building a casino whether online or offline isnt really that cheap on which means that it would really be speaking about some extra cost on which it would really be just that normal
that they would be skeptical on building one but rather they would be putting up focus on physical. Some might be having no interest or does mind themselves on having expansion. Why would really be needing to touch up
other space if they do find out themselves making revenue on offline? Well, its not a bad idea though even lets assume that im an owner or investor then i would definitely be going into different spaces
which having that chances on catching up revenue on both spaces or sources.
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Everything is on reputation and targeted market, they know that it's easy to open a false accusation on any online casino imagine a Macau-based casino that is so prestigious, then getting a false accusation that alone will harm their reputation as a very popular tourist destination casino.

Land-based casinos brand themselves as a tourist destination so it does not start and end on the gaming board they brand their place, and promote their hotels and their ambiance something that they cannot capture online, so they concentrate on branding themselves on land.

It's not that it's not profitable but they want to protect their brand which they can address if all issues are confined to their gaming venue.
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Why would they if they are already getting more than enough money from their patrons that visit their physical casinos? It would just be something that will take resources from them. Plus, usually these physical casino owners have other businesses that are tied to their casinos like hotels and restaurants, so they are hitting a lot of birds in just one stone. Their online presence would be limited to just their advertisements and promotions, and that's basically it. Taking a lot of energy, resources, and time to develop an online copy of what is already physically existing is just a waste of everything.

Besides, why would they want to limit the experience and feel of their physical casino if that's the one thing that people are traveling and visiting them for?
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I wonder why real or land based casinos are not offering a virtual or online version of their casino ( I never seen one yet). If they can afford to open a physical casino it seems easy for them to invest in a virtual one as well, possibly combining both to create an experience similar to what Evolution Gaming offers.
And if you are asking why i thought about this it’s simply because by doing it they can expand their business to reach and provide a more reliable and trustworthy platform for gamblers. Just recently we have seen unfortunate cases where online casinos have scammed users and disappeared with their deposits, often due to unknown teams and creators behind these platforms
You mean like the brand of the casino would have online or "virtual" presentive. That you could gamble table games online like in some net casinos you can play on live tables?
I guess that's an idea, but that's technically a whole different area than dealing with physical casino. You would think that it would be easier, and in many ways it would be, but it would be so much different that i am not sure if casinos are even prepare to handle online casinos.

I have a feeling that they would have tried it if they managed to enter successfully to the market that has so much competition already. But it's a whole different game to handle physical casino, hotel, bars etc, than a server being able to handle so much traffic. If it would be cost efficient, i am sure that they would have those more.
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Some of them have, but you cannot see a crypto-related well, coz all of them in fiat-based one coz most or all of crypto-related are in online platform. This happened when the pandemic hit, most land based casino (with hotel and resorts) stop operating so their choice is to have an online platform to continue their business.
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Many of these land-based casinos are tourist based they not only promote their casinos but the hotel and everything around them like entertainers many of these casinos are government own or affiliated with the government so they concentrate on taxes coming from tourists but we do have a list of land-based casinos with online versions and besides these land-based casinos can sustain their business without an online version, and it's manageable to run a land-based casino.

https://www.livecasinocomparer.com/land-based-casinos/

some of these land-based casinos are now creating their online version especially when this pandemic hit us. they understood the importance of having online version in case people can't visit them physically. but usually, their means of payment method is fiat-based, though some are starting to accept cryptocurrencies.
i've seen in the forum alone that couple of previously fiat-based casinos are now also accepting crypto. they need to adopt the current trend or else, some of their patrons will go somewhere else.
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It must be because both markets serve a different purpose and have different target audiences. On one hand, brick and mortar casinos and resorts have existed much time before internet was invented, so they have specialized on serving people in a variety of ways: hotel services, drinks, entertainment, restaurants, etc. It is a big investment, but it is profitable.

On the other hand, we have services which focus on providing gambling without having such a huge infrastructure and are relatively new in comparison to traditional casinos.

While anyone can play on a casino online, most of people have known about the Golden Nugget in Las Vegas, not for it's webpage or the possible online service they can provide, but for the resort and the luxury associated to it and the experience of visiting in person.
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Many of these land-based casinos are tourist based they not only promote their casinos but the hotel and everything around them like entertainers many of these casinos are government own or affiliated with the government so they concentrate on taxes coming from tourists but we do have a list of land-based casinos with online versions and besides these land-based casinos can sustain their business without an online version, and it's manageable to run a land-based casino.

https://www.livecasinocomparer.com/land-based-casinos/
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People who are used to the land based casinos might end up spending time in the physical casinos. The online version might not give them the experience they get from the land based ones. Somehow the gamblers will feel lazy and starts spending time sitting infront of the PC or some other devices for their gambling needs. When it is land based casinos the money is not just out of gambling, more business happens around and the gambling House doesn't want to limit it. In recent years during the COVID lockdown more land based casinos had their online version, but those were stopped once after the services resumed.
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I wonder why real or land based casinos are not offering a virtual or online version of their casino ( I never seen one yet). If they can afford to open a physical casino it seems easy for them to invest in a virtual one as well, possibly combining both to create an experience similar to what Evolution Gaming offers.
And if you are asking why i thought about this it’s simply because by doing it they can expand their business to reach and provide a more reliable and trustworthy platform for gamblers. Just recently we have seen unfortunate cases where online casinos have scammed users and disappeared with their deposits, often due to unknown teams and creators behind these platforms
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