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Quote from: Gimpeline on January 01, 2017, 02:22:59 PM

Did this ever get resolved?
Got the same problem.
1,5 Mbit stuck in freebitcoin.in and around 2000 doge stuck in freedoge.co.in
Try to send request to support and no answer

Did what got resolved? OP's "impossible" losing streak? Your stuck withdrawal issue is not relevant to this thread, if you get no response from customer support, try posting in the official thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/freebitcoin-200-freebtcwin-lambo02btc-dailyjackpot32500-wager-contest-319540

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Did this ever get resolved?
Got the same problem.
1,5 Mbit stuck in freebitcoin.in and around 2000 doge stuck in freedoge.co.in
Try to send request to support and no answer

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Quote from: KLarisa on September 21, 2016, 03:55:43 PM

1 is it realy possible to lose 13 times in a row when you have 47% winning ?

I do that all the time Grin

You say you have 47% to win, but you also have 53% to lose, and tbh i've seen losing streak with 25 bets in row, so yeah, its pretty much possible to lose only 13 in row Wink

If you think its not possible, than everyone would play marginal 2X 100% raise bet on lose and all dice site would disappear in few hours.

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Quote from: satmas on September 27, 2016, 12:01:20 PM

Freebitco isn't a fraud, it's just that you are very unlucky. You should expect this to happen when you play at any and all gambling sites(even the ones that have a provably fair system, although it isn't recommended to play at non-provably fair sites unless you are using a sportsbook).

As much as I know, all reputable gambling sites are provably fair and can be proved that its true. Freebitco.in has a large House edge and that is why people lose a lot there. None of the rolls are manipulated and hence calling this site a scam is not justified.

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Freebitco isn't a fraud, it's just that you are very unlucky. You should expect this to happen when you play at any and all gambling sites(even the ones that have a provably fair system, although it isn't recommended to play at non-provably fair sites unless you are using a sportsbook).

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Quote from: freebutcaged on September 23, 2016, 10:16:56 AM

How can you lose 13 or more times in a row if you are betting on a different odd each bet? like 2 times on hi 2 times on lo and 1 time hi 1 time lo/ hi/ lo/ hi/ hi/ lo/ lo/ hi/ hi/ lo/ lo/ lo/ hi/ lo/ hi/ hi/ hi/ hi/ lo/ hi.

Now can someone give an estimation on the percentage that could happen and all with lose streaks?

The chance of hitting 13 losses streak is the same as when you bet hi or lo for every bet. Mixing hi/lo won't increase your winning chances.

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Quote from: Barcode_ on September 21, 2016, 04:47:28 PM

Yes, it is possible to lose 13 times at 47% win chance, I have seen people losing more than 13 times at 50% win chance, I think it is the luck that matter, but whether freebitco.in is fair or not, no one knows Cheesy

Sometimes that's make us think about true or not, the detail about probably fair on dice game because we don't understand even though has see the explanation.

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Quote from: KLarisa on September 21, 2016, 03:55:43 PM

Hi all,

Freebitcoin is mentioned there and there. So I tried. And particularly multiply with HI LO game. It seemed honest (what they say), and I have technics to win with HI LO. Even if wondering how one can make a business with so easy winning technics. Well. Tried going manual mode a little. ok. Beyond probability statistics but manageable. So I tried auto bet. Doubled my deposit, going with very little matchs (100 - 1000). What is important in money games is knowing when to stop. So I put a stop betting at 1/4 of my money. Also checked don't refresh screen (because every hour it refresh to free coins screen so if you are on a big bet because loosing...sry for you). Also put a "stop betting after" when you lose x limit: stop:

Well 4 facts here:
   1 is it realy possible to lose 13 times in a row when you have 47% winning ?
   2 when you check "don't refresh page" it doesn't care
   3 stop betting limit will never be accurate...at all.
   4 when you reach at about 2 times your deposit, stop betting limit will simply stop working (not only inacurrate).

So you can try. And have a little hope. And a little wasted money. Up to you. By the way, I have sreenshots of that, will be posted there and there, and nothing to earn warning you with so long post.

It may be a bug or some glitch but one thing I can assure you , it is "possible" to lose 13 times in a row at 47% chance . I used to run bot all day long at 45% chance with good bankroll and guess what every two days once , I used to loose 20 times in a row .

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I realy have not idea for playing dice on freebitco.in .
Then've The chance of losing 13 times in a row with a 47% win? Wow that's was crazy, but this may you can verifying for this game, not realy you will always safe for playing. NEVER playing dice if you've not knowing about this and this for rigged.

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Quote from: wetsuit on September 24, 2016, 12:50:00 AM

We have been provably fair for about 3 years now. All rolls can be verified by clicking the "PROVABLY FAIR" link on both the free btc and multiply btc page.

Hm. You're right. Apologies.
I've come over quite a number of complaints that it's not provably fair, but since I don't care much of that while I have fun, I didn't check.
Whether the complains are from people good at math or from people that don't know how to lose at gambling I cannot tell. But I should have checked indeed.

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on September 23, 2016, 04:38:00 AM

You should stop gambling. Really.
There's no real winning strategy in gambling.

Quote from: KLarisa on September 21, 2016, 03:55:43 PM

1 is it realy possible to lose 13 times in a row when you have 47% winning ?

Yes. Even 100 times is possible.
The 47% you see there is a number you have to understand. It means that you have infinite money and play infinite rounds, you will win 47% of times, whatever you click.
Good luck counting to infinite.
(PS. I know that I oversimplified it, but I did it for pointing it out clear)

Quote from: KLarisa on September 21, 2016, 03:55:43 PM

2 when you check "don't refresh page" it doesn't care
3 stop betting limit will never be accurate...at all.
4 when you reach at about 2 times your deposit, stop betting limit will simply stop working (not only inacurrate).

They can always claim it's a bug and will be fixed soon.

It's hard to prove they do scam.
We all know they are somehow fishy - just read here and there that they are not provably fair.
I always enjoyed playing there, with their faucet money. This way I keep it at fun level and, while I never really won anything, I didn't lose either.
Not long ago they didn't even allow you deposit there. I think that they should have stayed at that level, but maybe they got greedy....

We have been provably fair for about 3 years now. All rolls can be verified by clicking the "PROVABLY FAIR" link on both the free btc and multiply btc page.

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How can you lose 13 or more times in a row if you are betting on a different odd each bet? like 2 times on hi 2 times on lo and 1 time hi 1 time lo/ hi/ lo/ hi/ hi/ lo/ lo/ hi/ hi/ lo/ lo/ lo/ hi/ lo/ hi/ hi/ hi/ hi/ lo/ hi.

Now can someone give an estimation on the percentage that could happen and all with lose streaks?

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Is there any site with the URL of freebitoin.in, I just checked on OP no where else it got mentioned other than in subject. Even it is understandable that which site is being targeted here, I believe it is more important to give right information, as it is accusation not just discussion. (even discussion needs right info).

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You should stop gambling. Really.
There's no real winning strategy in gambling.

Quote from: KLarisa on September 21, 2016, 03:55:43 PM

1 is it realy possible to lose 13 times in a row when you have 47% winning ?

Yes. Even 100 times is possible.
The 47% you see there is a number you have to understand. It means that you have infinite money and play infinite rounds, you will win 47% of times, whatever you click.
Good luck counting to infinite.
(PS. I know that I oversimplified it, but I did it for pointing it out clear)

Quote from: KLarisa on September 21, 2016, 03:55:43 PM

2 when you check "don't refresh page" it doesn't care
3 stop betting limit will never be accurate...at all.
4 when you reach at about 2 times your deposit, stop betting limit will simply stop working (not only inacurrate).

They can always claim it's a bug and will be fixed soon.

It's hard to prove they do scam.
We all know they are somehow fishy - just read here and there that they are not provably fair.
I always enjoyed playing there, with their faucet money. This way I keep it at fun level and, while I never really won anything, I didn't lose either.
Not long ago they didn't even allow you deposit there. I think that they should have stayed at that level, but maybe they got greedy....

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Quote from: Abbybenson on September 22, 2016, 01:39:50 AM

I've never won anything on that site. So I don not recommend it. I was playing it every hour lol even bought 5000 tickets for lottery every week but still no luck I've been on that site for more than 6 months now.

You know that 5000 tickets on freebitco.in are basically nothing, right? This round alone there have been 29 million tickets sold...

And to OP and anyone else calling fraud when they lose due to variance: gambling might not be for you
Fraud probably does exist with some dice sites, but not with the ones that have a provably fair system (one that's actually provably fair).

Well I have been using this site for the faucet for sometime now, I hate gambling and didnt even place any bets on the dice game. The site has been paying well since 2013 and I trust this site's provably fair system and that the rolls are mathematically not manipulated albeit the house edge is a bit high for sure.

Those who lost in the dice game, simple stay away from gambling. Dont go around calling it a scam site.

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Quote from: Abbybenson on September 22, 2016, 01:39:50 AM

I've never won anything on that site. So I don not recommend it. I was playing it every hour lol even bought 5000 tickets for lottery every week but still no luck I've been on that site for more than 6 months now.

You know that 5000 tickets on freebitco.in are basically nothing, right? This round alone there have been 29 million tickets sold...

And to OP and anyone else calling fraud when they lose due to variance: gambling might not be for you
Fraud probably does exist with some dice sites, but not with the ones that have a provably fair system (one that's actually provably fair).

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The "stop after loss" can never stop at an exact amount because it does not know what your next bet size will be.

For example, you are using a simple martingale strategy with bets increasing 2x and you have set stop loss at 1,000 satoshi. Suppose you have already lost 998 satoshi, it is still under 1,000 satoshi so auto-bet will keep running. Now if the next bet is 200 satoshi and you lose, then your total loss is 1,118 satoshi which is > 1,000 so it will stop. So, you will end up losing 118 satoshi more than the stop loss amount in this instance.

This is not something different, almost all the dice sites I know implement stop-loss in this manner.

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Yes of course it is possible to loose. EVen if loosing 13 times in a row occured 4 times in about 1000 rolls (with 0.005%). That's why I checked stop betting after loosing x bitcoins. And if that functionality worked several times, it didn't the last one. And it spent all my coins on the site. I verified it was checked (could have forget it). This is the point which made me write this post. Not the bad luck.

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Quote from: KLarisa on September 21, 2016, 03:55:43 PM

Hi all,

Freebitcoin is mentioned there and there. So I tried. And particularly multiply with HI LO game. It seemed honest (what they say), and I have technics to win with HI LO. Even if wondering how one can make a business with so easy winning technics. Well. Tried going manual mode a little. ok. Beyond probability statistics but manageable. So I tried auto bet. Doubled my deposit, going with very little matchs (100 - 1000). What is important in money games is knowing when to stop. So I put a stop betting at 1/4 of my money. Also checked don't refresh screen (because every hour it refresh to free coins screen so if you are on a big bet because loosing...sry for you). Also put a "stop betting after" when you lose x limit: stop:

all you said here in this part is rambling on and has no proof of that site being a fraud!
you are simply describing a chance based game called dice!
if their automatic betting is not to your liking then use another site or use a bot!

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Well 4 facts here:
1 is it realy possible to lose 13 times in a row when you have 47% winning ?

yes it is possible, my record on a provably fair dice site (i think it was prime dice) at a 2x multiplier (~49%) was 29 reds in a row.
so in fact you should consider yourself lucky to have a 13 record so far!

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2 when you check "don't refresh page" it doesn't care

i haven't been using this faucet for a long while but as i remember that button worked alright for me before.
and again this is not a proof of fraud

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3 stop betting limit will never be accurate...at all.
4 when you reach at about 2 times your deposit, stop betting limit will simply stop working (not only inacurrate).

then as i said if the autobet is not to your liking use a real dice site instead of the faucet. they have better options or better yet use a dice bot.

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You can even lose 20 or 30 times in a row. It doesn't matter how many times you lost before you roll again. You can even lose 100 times. That's why martingale is the shittiest strategy ever.

freebitco.in is one of the oldest faucets out there and i never heard that they are scamming people. I used them lots of times and never had problems.

You just need to quit gambling

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Quote from: KLarisa on September 21, 2016, 03:55:43 PM

Hi all,

Well 4 facts here:
1 is it realy possible to lose 13 times in a row when you have 47% winning ?

By the way, I have sreenshots of that, will be posted there and there, and nothing to earn warning you with so long post.

HI too,
it's really possible for lossing 13 times in a row on 47%, especially if you're running a bot (for playing in long run) in dice sites. Could you post your screenshots here?

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why do you even try playing dice on a faucet site. i mean it is a nice feature that freebitco.in (you put a wrong address in your topic) has but it is not a dice site and if you play with your faucet amount only then you will always have a tiny bankroll that will make all your strategies fail especially when you are using martingale.

so try other dice sites which have a much lower house edge than your faucet site and always remember that you are gambling and there is always a change of losing.

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My bad man! It seems you fell in your failure rate, which is 53%. To check your 47% winning rate, at worst case you are supposed to roll 54 times. In which one will be winning roll. You rolled only 13 and all fell under lost percentage.

And "don't refresh page" is working fine for me. But I experienced the duration between rolls is decreasing if number of rolls increases.

Probability distribution algorithm and random number generation algorithm never give accurate results, well.. That is why they are famous Tongue

to check your luck. Also freebitco does not provide accurate stopping options. You can stop if your balance decreases below certain point or your winnings exceeds certain point. And they are stopping accurately if I limit number of rolls. So you are giving false statement? I'm not sure. Maybe.

It does not stop if your bet increases twice. It is actually increasing the duration between rolls. Sometimes it hangs your browser for longer duration but it never stops. At least for me.

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So anyway, I applied as a merit source :)

Nothing is impossible in gambling. I have seen people lose 17 times in a row in 50% chance on sites where house edge is even lower.

Freebitco.in house edge is big and that is why you have lost, that does not mean that the site is fraud. Moreover they have been paying well since 2013 and standing tall even in the google adsense banning faucets.

If you dont like to lose your money I suggest you leave the site and not post useless and meaningless scam accusations about well-paying sites.

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Quote from: Barcode_ on September 21, 2016, 04:47:28 PM

Yes, it is possible to lose 13 times at 47% win chance, I have seen people losing more than 13 times at 50% win chance, I think it is the luck that matter, but whether freebitco.in is fair or not, no one knows Cheesy

Yes, so many people lose 13 at 50% win chance. Also there are many people win more than 13 times. All about luck, because this is dice

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Quote from: KLarisa on September 21, 2016, 03:55:43 PM

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Is it really possible to lose 13 times in a row? As long as there is a "chance of losing", it is possible. You only stated that your winning chance is 47% so where is the remaining percentage should be? Yes it is on losing percentage. If your winning percentage is 100% then you won't lose obviously lol.

Also as far as my own knowledge is concern, freebitco.in dice game have higher house edge than those famous dice site today. If you really want to play dice game then better check those famous one.

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I've never won anything on that site. So I don not recommend it. I was playing it every hour lol even bought 5000 tickets for lottery every week but still no luck I've been on that site for more than 6 months now.

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Quote from: KLarisa on September 21, 2016, 03:55:43 PM

Well 4 facts here:
1 is it realy possible to lose 13 times in a row when you have 47% winning ?
2 when you check "don't refresh page" it doesn't care
3 stop betting limit will never be accurate...at all.
4 when you reach at about 2 times your deposit, stop betting limit will simply stop working (not only inacurrate).

these are not facts these are questions Cheesy

and yes it is possible to lose 30 times and more even on a 49% win chance. i am not defending that faucet but it is gambling dice and when you lose it doesn't always mean the site is a fraud it means you do not know what gambling means.

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it is possible, even 13 losses in 99% winning chance is still possible tho there are very low chance that you will get that but still possible.

if you DO deposit in freebitco.in just to play their dice, you better think twice, there are lots of trusted dice site out there that only have 1% house edge while freebitco.in have 5%, by that you will surely lose your money faster

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Quote from: DarkStar_ on September 21, 2016, 05:05:12 PM

The chance of losing 13 times in a row with a 47% win chance is ~0.005%, or roughly once in 20 thousand bets. With variance, it could happen earlier or later, you might have just been unlucky. 13 times in a row isn't that bad though, people have lost 27+ times in a row on other sites with a 49.5% chance to win. Those sites had a valid provably fair system, and the bettor was just unlucky. Do you really think you can have a foolproof method to make money from gambling sites? No site would just give away free money like that.

Tried before 52.33% winning chance, 14 lose in streak tho

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There is no "strategy" that works with gambling. It's just down to luck. If any strategy would work, gambling would not be a business.

We have really fast bet speeds so people go through a lot of bets every hour. We have some accounts doing around 200k+ bets each day.

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Soo you saying they are a fraud because you lost 13 bets in a row, and on those time for sure someone won, as i know the script is fair for the costumers, as i know they are top faucets, soo always some people online at it.

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Quote from: KLarisa on September 21, 2016, 03:55:43 PM

Hi all,

Freebitcoin is mentioned there and there. So I tried. And particularly multiply with HI LO game. It seemed honest (what they say), and I have technics to win with HI LO. Even if wondering how one can make a business with so easy winning technics. Well. Tried going manual mode a little. ok. Beyond probability statistics but manageable. So I tried auto bet. Doubled my deposit, going with very little matchs (100 - 1000). What is important in money games is knowing when to stop. So I put a stop betting at 1/4 of my money. Also checked don't refresh screen (because every hour it refresh to free coins screen so if you are on a big bet because loosing...sry for you). Also put a "stop betting after" when you lose x limit: stop:

Well 4 facts here:
   1 is it realy possible to lose 13 times in a row when you have 47% winning ?
   2 when you check "don't refresh page" it doesn't care
   3 stop betting limit will never be accurate...at all.
   4 when you reach at about 2 times your deposit, stop betting limit will simply stop working (not only inacurrate).

So you can try. And have a little hope. And a little wasted money. Up to you. By the way, I have sreenshots of that, will be posted there and there, and nothing to earn warning you with so long post.

How can that be impossible,in gambling everything is possible though. Although you have 47% winning chance you will even suffer more though because they have huge house edge afaik. They have 5% house edge if I am not mistaken meanehile other site only have around 1-2%. Btw they have provably fair on their site, but only with huge house edge for sure that is why suffer so much there. Not to mention huge house edge though, with 2x odds 1% house edge I even suffer 30+ red streak so like I said eveything is possible in gambling

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Well it is possible, i myself ever lost 15 times in a row with 50%, so its a normal thing, no strategy will work 100% to win, actually i also doubt about playing in freebitco, but because i only play using faucet then i dont think too much, but if you think freebitco is a fraud then just try your luck in another site

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Quote from: DarkStar_ on September 21, 2016, 05:05:12 PM

The chance of losing 13 times in a row with a 47% win chance is ~0.005%, or roughly once in 20 thousand bets. With variance, it could happen earlier or later, you might have just been unlucky. 13 times in a row isn't that bad though, people have lost 27+ times in a row on other sites with a 49.5% chance to win. Those sites had a valid provably fair system, and the bettor was just unlucky. Do you really think you can have a foolproof method to make money from gambling sites? No site would just give away free money like that.

These are very good points. In addition OP, freebitco.in has a very high house edge, which makes you have a bigger losing rate than the average dice site. Check out the provably fair system if you really need confirmation that your bets aren't being rigged.

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The chance of losing 13 times in a row with a 47% win chance is ~0.005%, or roughly once in 20 thousand bets. With variance, it could happen earlier or later, you might have just been unlucky. 13 times in a row isn't that bad though, people have lost 27+ times in a row on other sites with a 49.5% chance to win. Those sites had a valid provably fair system, and the bettor was just unlucky. Do you really think you can have a foolproof method to make money from gambling sites? No site would just give away free money like that.

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Yes, it is possible to lose 13 times at 47% win chance, I have seen people losing more than 13 times at 50% win chance, I think it is the luck that matter, but whether freebitco.in is fair or not, no one knows Cheesy

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Hi all,

Freebitcoin is mentioned there and there. So I tried. And particularly multiply with HI LO game. It seemed honest (what they say), and I have technics to win with HI LO. Even if wondering how one can make a business with so easy winning technics. Well. Tried going manual mode a little. ok. Beyond probability statistics but manageable. So I tried auto bet. Doubled my deposit, going with very little matchs (100 - 1000). What is important in money games is knowing when to stop. So I put a stop betting at 1/4 of my money. Also checked don't refresh screen (because every hour it refresh to free coins screen so if you are on a big bet because loosing...sry for you). Also put a "stop betting after" when you lose x limit: stop:

Well 4 facts here:
   1 is it realy possible to lose 13 times in a row when you have 47% winning ?
   2 when you check "don't refresh page" it doesn't care
   3 stop betting limit will never be accurate...at all.
   4 when you reach at about 2 times your deposit, stop betting limit will simply stop working (not only inacurrate).

So you can try. And have a little hope. And a little wasted money. Up to you. By the way, I have sreenshots of that, will be posted there and there, and nothing to earn warning you with so long post.

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