Topic: Why germany refused to help ukraine? (Read 148 times)

Because their politicians cannot plan ahead and think long-term.

Supporting Soviets is criminal, IMHO. 

That pipeline (run by a Stasi agent) should have never been allowed on German territorial waters.

Germany stopped the approval process for the Nord Stream 2 pipeline yesterday. I'm not sure how dramatic this is, as the pipeline is of course still there and presumably can be approved at a later date... but it's a statement at least, and shows that Germany won't just back down. They were in an invidious position, with pressure coming from both sides, and a lack of action still being effectively a decision, so it's no huge surprise that Germany has sided with the West on this... at least in the short-term.

Germany has already sent the 5,000 helmets and many more support packages. I don't think you can call it a refusal of help. It also helps Ukraine through diplomatic means.

Germany didn't help Ukraine because they didn't get anything from it. On the other hand, Europe's largest supply of gas and oil comes from Russia, if they (Germany) help Ukraine openly by sending troops and military equipment, they will disrupt political stability in the European region which could be an excuse for Russia to reduce oil and gas supplies to the area. Moreover, Germany prefers the negotiation compared to the assistance of weapons and troops as did the US and UK.

Germany somehow grew balls at least but still wants to maintain a good relationship with US while also trying to stop war because apparently, they need Russia's gas more than US gas which is a lot more expensive than Russia's gas. This is why Biden kept repeating that he will stop the operation of Nordstream which is actually the objective in hyping this war despite Ukraine, Germany, France trying the diplomatic option. Poland will oppose too, they are even fed up in trying to criticize China to please the US government.

The information given by US media to US citizens about Russia is very different from what German and France's media is telling. Believe it or not, they paint Russia to be more friendly. We only believe the US media because it covers wider like CNN. Reuters or BBC is part of its network even when it's in the EU.

Noone needs the US or its expensive gas which it wants to sell us in Europe. Russia has always been our neighbour, we know how to deal with one another. Wth is US which is the obvious aggressor with its 12,000+ military basis world wide and decades of expansion even doing in Ukraine? It should get out of Europe immediately.

I would say that your question is your answer about Germany losing 1/3 of their energy from Russia. Usually Germany is the more hard-lined country when it comes to the "moral" high ground. However, if you took a step back in time then you would learn of a new piece in this puzzle. The reason why there was such a hot war in Syria was to cut Russia off from providing natural gas to Germany. Instead, if Western Coalition forces would have conquered Syria then Qatar would be providing Germany with natural gas instead of Russia and the shoe would be on the other foot. In that case, it would be Russia that would be cut off from a potential income source from the EU. 

Note: there was a map out there that showed this connecting to Russia but I can't seem to find it. Its hard to prove you're not a goldfish when the internet censors (this should be a meme).




Now we know how history has played out and now it is the west that has to strong arm Russia to "possibly" act. Russia, Russia, Russia is just to fearmonger over an old adversary when the Global Elite will use the "Russia" card to cause countrywide (not just US and EU but any western country) blackouts that will be blamed on Russian aggression when it was caused by the Elite themselves that control the power grids. They're doing this for depopulation and further control as they are losing it due to people waking up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV4oYkIeGJc

Russia is the aggressor in this conflict. Anything the west does is in response to what Russia does. The west is trying to make it difficult for Russia to continue its aggression, and Germany is making that more difficult.

Germany is handling the situation very wisely. It should further deescalate the situation. We don't need a war in Europe.

Germany is not only not supplying but also making it harder for other countries to supply Ukraine.
https://www.euractiv.com/section/defence-and-security/news/germany-continues-blocking-arms-exports-to-ukraine-due-to-new-foreign-peace-policy/


I feel like the world should draw a line for Putin and say: if you break peace in Europe, Europe will break you. IMO the whole world should supply Ukraine at this point and make sure that if the invasion starts it becomes extremely expensive for Putin. If he loses a lot of money in the process he's going to go bankrupt. How to do it? By making sure Ukrainians have top level missile systems and missile defense, unmanned drones, mine fields and trenches to stop tanks along the Russian and Belarusian border.

If Putin attacks its going to be with conventional weapons mainly tanks, jets and artillery.  When these start getting wrecked by javelin missiles and drone strikes he will have to reconsider his objectives and decide how much this piece of land is worth to him.

Germany has one of the biggest investment in Russia. Germany’s economic linkages and its gas pipeline project – Nord Stream 2 – with Russia, could be behind Germany’s softer approach. The contentious Nord Stream 2 pipeline – which Washington fears Moscow is using to increase its leverage in Europe – is meant to bring natural gas from Russia to Germany.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/1/31/ukraine-crisis-questions-germanys-stance-towards-russia

Access to the black sea is important to western interests.

Ignoring the above, western Ukraine borders NATO countries. If Russia were to invade Ukraine, there would be military action on NATO's doorstep, and there would be fear that Russia is not going to stop with invading Ukraine. If an invasion of Ukraine is seen as legitimate, there would be a legitimate reason for Russian military activity on the border of NATO countries.

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Germany is soft on Russia because it is dependent on Russian energy. Plain and simple.

I think you are not following the news. The USA deployed some troops already and exported millions of dollars of weapons to Ukraine as a help. CIA is training the Ukrainian armed force. Other NATO members also show support to Ukraine with this except Germany and France. Germany even refused to help with any weapons and showed soft behavior towards Russia.


Can you refer to what treaties you are talking about because I do not know about any treaties between Germany and Ukraine?

Probably Ukraine refused to the terms and conditions of Germany for the help.. Germany being among the world powers is also struggling to be the top like USA so for them to support and help a country, it most have a lay down rules and policies which the other part will also agreed.

Since Ukraine disagreed to the treaties, they (Germany) has to withdraw their supportive mind set

Have they really helped and supported Ukraine ? I'm wowed at this already, not even the united states' has taken decisions over this issues.
I think Germany are taking things a bit slow you see, Russian's controlling a whole lot, increase in food, trade, oil and gas can affect all of Europe!
Don't tell me United States are now pal's with Russia!!

Yes.

Germany isn't out of step, they are in line with all the other NATO countries.

NATO countries/the West made it clear they don't have a vested interest in Ukraine. By virtue of that fact alone, it is not their war to fight. All the talk about a "swift" response from the U.S. is just that, talk. It's rather unfortunate for the Ukrainian people that they are being left to the wolves, but their sovereignty is their own business.

In the recent Ukraine crisis, we saw most of the European countries are supporting Ukraine regarding the tension with Russia. In spite of being one of the wealthiest countries in Europe Germany refused to help Ukraine with this matter and keep a soft attitude against Russia. So why is Germany out of step with its nato allies why is it throwing Ukraine under the bus? Is that business or Germany fear losing 1/3 of its energy supply?