Why hasn't the EU got a common language?

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Quote from: Jet Cash on July 02, 2016, 03:53:42 PM

After all, they have got a common everything else. I guess it's because the obvious language to use would be English, and they don't want to give Britain too much recognition. Could this be yet another reason for Britain to leave the EU?

That's not true and no one wish to lose their identity. Language is a big identity that each and every user has got. By the formation of European union everyone got unified, for this reason there is no need for a common language.

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Quote from: Jet Cash on July 02, 2016, 03:53:42 PM

After all, they have got a common everything else. I guess it's because the obvious language to use would be English, and they don't want to give Britain too much recognition. Could this be yet another reason for Britain to leave the EU?

I guess not...

But i'm from the Netherlands and they teach us, English, German and French as well on high school.

Spanish and Latin are given as well for the higher grade students, but the three above are the common ones.

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Quote from: Cyaren on July 04, 2016, 11:48:12 AM

Quote from: BADecker on July 04, 2016, 11:36:23 AM

Why hasn't the EU got a common language? For the same reason that most of Europe doesn't have common law. Notice that it was Britain, the common law nation of Europe, that voted to be out of the civil law EU.

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wow i would like to see common law or language in europe,it is never going to happen but would be pretty interesting...
Common law would make a big difference for me,i want it but well i can only dream about things like that: politics ;(

Actually, common law is at the core of all the people living in the civil law lands of Europe and the rest of the world. The difference is that it is not above civil law, and is barely incorporated with CL in most.

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Quote from: BADecker on July 04, 2016, 11:36:23 AM

Why hasn't the EU got a common language? For the same reason that most of Europe doesn't have common law. Notice that it was Britain, the common law nation of Europe, that voted to be out of the civil law EU.

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wow i would like to see common law or language in europe,it is never going to happen but would be pretty interesting...
Common law would make a big difference for me,i want it but well i can only dream about things like that: politics ;(

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Quote from: Jet Cash on July 03, 2016, 04:29:41 PM

Ah! The Mayflower. There have been so many Brexits.

The amusing thing is that the American puritans came back to Britain during the English Civil War to help Cromwell - they helped turn a few of the battles too.

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Why hasn't the EU got a common language? For the same reason that most of Europe doesn't have common law. Notice that it was Britain, the common law nation of Europe, that voted to be out of the civil law EU.

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Quote from: Jet Cash on July 03, 2016, 04:27:02 PM

I had real problems reading Chaucer at school. Thank goodness we've moved on from that.

Yup. Last time I was in Vegas everyone was talking in blank verse.

I always find it fun explaining to foreigners that your average Brit can barely understand one fucking word of Shakespeare. They get spoilt with translations that, y'know, translate it. I'd like some too.

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Ah! The Mayflower. There have been so many Brexits.

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I had real problems reading Chaucer at school. Thank goodness we've moved on from that.

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American English is closer to 'real' English than the version we speak in the UK. We speak debased techno junk. Theirs is closer to how we spoke it when they all cleared off on the Mayflower.

Next time you slap a valley girl so hard her brace flies off for talking appallingness you'll know to hang your head in shame.

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American english isn't English, it's just a sub-set with mis-spellings resulted from lazy pronunciation

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Quote from: Masha Sha on July 03, 2016, 01:12:02 AM

Quote from: catch.me.if.you.can on July 03, 2016, 01:05:27 AM

Hebrew is the right language for EU. Grin

Joke aside I am sure there is a bigger diversily of words and concept than in English... English is as selected in America because it was the simplest...

This uniformisation and standardization to the lowest common denominator isn't a good thing... Kardashian worldwide isn't a great evolution for mankind... But who am I to decide what the people watch ;-)

The reason americas chosen language is English isn't because it was the simplest, it's because Britain founded and ruled America until America declared independence. So even after becoming independent the native tounge was then English.

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Quote from: catch.me.if.you.can on July 03, 2016, 01:05:27 AM

Hebrew is the right language for EU. Grin

Joke aside I am sure there is a bigger diversily of words and concept than in English... English is as selected in America because it was the simplest...

This uniformisation and standardization to the lowest common denominator isn't a good thing... Kardashian worldwide isn't a great evolution for mankind... But who am I to decide what the people watch ;-)

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Hebrew is the right language for EU. Grin

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English is defacto common language in Europe. Other languages are popular only in a single country or region. In another states little count of people know them and want to learn.
Do you really think France will accept German as official language or Italy Spanish lang?!
Better chances are Klingon language will be official in the EU! Grin

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because that would mean less money for all the translation and paper pushing? somewhere out there is a little guy who translates from maltese into irish and there are thousands more doing variations of the same thing.

and not everyone is a good linguist. i don't know very many people who are fluent in another language. no matter how determined some are people they'll never have the gene for it.

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Quote from: Tanic on July 02, 2016, 06:21:37 PM

Quote from: criptix on July 02, 2016, 05:21:25 PM

English is the official language of the EU but that will probaly change with the brexit.
It seems french or german will be the main official language then.

What a suggestion! From what you decided that it's gonna be French or German as main official language of the European Union? Why not Polish or Spanish? Tell me the reasons of the idea of your suggestion, please.

It is just about usage of the specific language in the EU.
Right now it is mainly english then french and then german.
Polish and spanish or any other language is not used much at the EU institutions.

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Quote from: Jet Cash on July 02, 2016, 03:53:42 PM

After all, they have got a common everything else. I guess it's because the obvious language to use would be English, and they don't want to give Britain too much recognition. Could this be yet another reason for Britain to leave the EU?

A lot of countries in Europe already promote learning of others' languages (mainly English).
England also promotes the education of European languages (mainly: French, German and Spanish)!
Teh EU was set up to promote peace and create a "common market" - there were then good or bad things loaded into it in the process such as the bailout strategy and toehr treaties!

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Quote from: criptix on July 02, 2016, 05:21:25 PM

English is the official language of the EU but that will probaly change with the brexit.
It seems french or german will be the main official language then.

What a suggestion! From what you decided that it's gonna be French or German as main official language of the European Union? Why not Polish or Spanish? Tell me the reasons of the idea of your suggestion, please.

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Quote from: criptix on July 02, 2016, 06:02:38 PM

Quote from: xhomerx10 on July 02, 2016, 05:58:04 PM

Quote from: criptix on July 02, 2016, 05:21:25 PM

English is the official language of the EU but that will probaly change with the brexit.
It seems french or german will be the main official language then.

There are 24 official languages and enough translators to make sure all documents are available in all languages.

That is correct. But english is nevertheless the main working language.
Pretty much every/All organ, workgroup and negotiations are made in english and translated into other languages.

For that i think it is ok to say english has a special place or rather is the main language in the EU.

True but if left up to Juncker, I have a feeling he would ban English from the EU altogether.

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Quote from: xhomerx10 on July 02, 2016, 05:58:04 PM

Quote from: criptix on July 02, 2016, 05:21:25 PM

English is the official language of the EU but that will probaly change with the brexit.
It seems french or german will be the main official language then.

There are 24 official languages and enough translators to make sure all documents are available in all languages.

That is correct. But english is nevertheless the main working language.
Pretty much every/All organ, workgroup and negotiations are made in english and translated into other languages.

For that i think it is ok to say english has a special place or rather is the main language in the EU.

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Quote from: criptix on July 02, 2016, 05:21:25 PM

English is the official language of the EU but that will probaly change with the brexit.
It seems french or german will be the main official language then.

There are 24 official languages and enough translators to make sure all documents are available in all languages.

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English is the official language of the EU but that will probaly change with the brexit.
It seems french or german will be the main official language then.

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It took over 500 years for the people of Britain to develop English Common Law. The EU destroys all that. Why should they ever want to stay?

See Should England leave the UK - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15447586.

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Quote from: Jet Cash on July 02, 2016, 03:53:42 PM

After all, they have got a common everything else. I guess it's because the obvious language to use would be English, and they don't want to give Britain too much recognition. Could this be yet another reason for Britain to leave the EU?

Britain is leaving because her citizens voted in favour of leaving. On the agenda were sovereignty, jobs and immigration. I don't think language had any direct bearing on the decision. Interestingly, 5% of the EU speaks Romanian which is a romance language.

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Bobby Fischer was right

Why no common language?
Because of many cultures with completely different backgrounds. Both ethnic and localization. How could a common language be selected when there is such a variety
to choose from? Slavs, Germans, Roms, Anglo-Saxon etc. Melting pot, disputes would never end. There is a good alternative witch is Esperanto. Its a Polish invention so I guess some would be against any way

Next obstacle is how would a union without state power enforce people to learn
completely new tongue? By force? Wink

Impossible as elderly people, proud youngsters would be strongly against.
As to Brexit, I dont see any correlation with language adoption. Its pure "they steeling our jobs" thingy.

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After all, they have got a common everything else. I guess it's because the obvious language to use would be English, and they don't want to give Britain too much recognition. Could this be yet another reason for Britain to leave the EU?

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