Why is a Scammer (with two negs from DTs) still on the Default Trust

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Quote from: Red Painter on March 06, 2018, 12:00:03 AM

Well not trying to mudsling here (sounds dumb I know). Just an honest question

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=341982

Has two negatives, one from Lauda and one from Lutpin both for scams. So just curious why's he still on DT if he has really scammed? A normal user would be drenched in negatives (I'm guessing there's more but there's no reference to read)

Quote from: Lutpin on July 11, 2017, 11:28:43 AM

Mexxer-2 owes me money. How much, since when and other details of that debt are not relevant.
I did neither create a scam accusation, nor do I plan to. I left a feedback of my own, and that's enough. I don't want/need others to tag mexxer-2 too.

Lutpin already mentioned one feedback is enough on that part.

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Some details are here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mexxer-2-2010205

Lutpin isn't willing to state details so not much to go by, no reference, no blockchain evidence, etc... I can't accept the feedback left as it cannot be verified.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on March 06, 2018, 06:31:57 AM

Quote from: MadZ on March 06, 2018, 12:24:37 AM

I can't speak for why he only has two negative ratings, since I was inactive when that event happened, but there is some justification for keeping him in DT. Being in DT is just as much about leaving good ratings as it is about being trustworthy oneself. Mexxer has tagged quite a few people that deserve it, so his historical ratings are still add value. On the whole he is also pretty inactive; he is not actively trying to trade, nor has he left any questionable feedback ratings since he scammed. I'd argue it's a situation similar to xetsr who also scammed and is inactive, yet is still in DT because he has left a lot of good feedback. Ideally though, these two users should be removed and have their ratings re-done by someone else in DT who is still considered trustworthy. It would just be quite a lengthy process, so no one has done it as of yet.

Someone on DT could just go through their ratings and determine which cases only he has a left feedback and tag them. I don't think we should be leaving scammers on DT but I haven't looked into this case and like Quickseller said there seems to be no reference of the scam.

Shouldn't the ratings of those removed be transferred to OldScammerTag account?

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Quote from: MadZ on March 06, 2018, 12:24:37 AM

I can't speak for why he only has two negative ratings, since I was inactive when that event happened, but there is some justification for keeping him in DT. Being in DT is just as much about leaving good ratings as it is about being trustworthy oneself. Mexxer has tagged quite a few people that deserve it, so his historical ratings are still add value. On the whole he is also pretty inactive; he is not actively trying to trade, nor has he left any questionable feedback ratings since he scammed. I'd argue it's a situation similar to xetsr who also scammed and is inactive, yet is still in DT because he has left a lot of good feedback. Ideally though, these two users should be removed and have their ratings re-done by someone else in DT who is still considered trustworthy. It would just be quite a lengthy process, so no one has done it as of yet.

Someone on DT could just go through their ratings and determine which cases only he has a left feedback and tag them. I don't think we should be leaving scammers on DT but I haven't looked into this case and like Quickseller said there seems to be no reference of the scam.

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Quote from: MadZ on March 06, 2018, 12:24:37 AM

I can't speak for why he only has two negative ratings, since I was inactive when that event happened,

lutpin has not provided any evidence of the debt (or even the specifics of the dispute) that I am aware of, and if memory serves me correctly, prior to this incident they said they would lend to eachother on various gambling sites, and other off-site communications mediums to arrange the loans.

So this amounts to being not much more than lutpins word, although I don't recall mexxer publicly responding to this. Without at least knowing the specifics of lutpin's claims, I don't think it would be appropriate to remove him without giving him the opportunity to respond, which is really not possible because nothing has been alleged beyond the vague 'he owes me money'

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Quote from: Quickseller on March 06, 2018, 12:19:35 AM

Because Blazed still has mexxer-2 on his trust list.

Well that is kinda like the "technically" correct but doesnt answer the question answer

Quote from: MadZ on March 06, 2018, 12:24:37 AM

I can't speak for why he only has two negative ratings, since I was inactive when that event happened, but there is some justification for keeping him in DT. Being in DT is just as much about leaving good ratings as it is about being trustworthy oneself. Mexxer has tagged quite a few people that deserve it, so his historical ratings are still add value. On the whole he is also pretty inactive; he is not actively trying to trade, nor has he left any questionable feedback ratings since he scammed. I'd argue it's a situation similar to xetsr who also scammed and is inactive, yet is still in DT because he has left a lot of good feedback. Ideally though, these two users should be removed and have their ratings re-done by someone else in DT who is still considered trustworthy. It would just be quite a lengthy process, so no one has done it as of yet.

Ah fair enough. Preserving the ratings is a valid argument I guess

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Quote from: Quickseller on March 06, 2018, 12:19:35 AM

Because Blazed still has mexxer-2 on his trust list.

how many negs you got quickspazzer? or you lost count?

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I can't speak for why he only has two negative ratings, since I was inactive when that event happened, but there is some justification for keeping him in DT. Being in DT is just as much about leaving good ratings as it is about being trustworthy oneself. Mexxer has tagged quite a few people that deserve it, so his historical ratings are still add value. On the whole he is also pretty inactive; he is not actively trying to trade, nor has he left any questionable feedback ratings since he scammed. I'd argue it's a situation similar to xetsr who also scammed and is inactive, yet is still in DT because he has left a lot of good feedback. Ideally though, these two users should be removed and have their ratings re-done by someone else in DT who is still considered trustworthy. It would just be quite a lengthy process, so no one has done it as of yet.

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Because Blazed still has mexxer-2 on his trust list.

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Well not trying to mudsling here (sounds dumb I know). Just an honest question

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=341982

Has two negatives, one from Lauda and one from Lutpin both for scams. So just curious why's he still on DT if he has really scammed? A normal user would be drenched in negatives (I'm guessing there's more but there's no reference to read)

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