Topic: Why is it complicated to get merits (Read 957 times)

And I personally am pleased to just write posts. And if they are useful to someone and they will earn the Merit, it's just fine!

I do not agree you, the current way looks very complicated to me as well. I am in no way against the merit system as it will help to promote good posts on this forum. This is very much required as the threads are full of shit posts which affects the user experience.

But the way merits are given and calculated needs to be simplified, a new member will have hard time understanding it.

I know that posts that are novel and have good information are +merit.
If so, can I merit from replys with my new and great information?

Its my experience and not assumptions. I did gain a lot of knowledge in by reading the threads in the forum. Newbies dont seem to care.

Does that mean in future you are not going to join any?

You are seeing what is being hyped too much. Merit has become a hype among the shitpositng newbies who dont care about spam and are more interested in gaining rank as soon as possible so that they can enter the next tier of signature payments?

They have to be patient and continue contributing to the forum.

Merit sources are still low in my opinion. Still I do get merited often so I dont see how this can be true or biased for others. There are members who can be set as examples. The rest of them are just crying for merits.

Why is such an upgrade system so controversial? Is not the establishment of this system has made many areas lost their original habits, because they must adapt to this system, can not here the most natural to speak and publish news? Is this different from many public forums?

I don't think there is any complications in getting merit.
I got the merit in my 2nd post and that was not very unique post.I just share my knowledge or experience with right place.
Be yourself and try to give genuine answer. Don't answer to any question,only for increasing post count and for getting merit.

There are members,who are eager to give merit. They are not hoarding merit or not giving merits to their's close one.But they are looking for genuine knowledge full Post for that.

If you will blindly create the threads/post,then nobody can help you in getting the merits.

I'm getting so tired of all these stupid threads about the difficulty in getting merits.  I'm considering only reading posts by senior members and above. So many of the lower ranks post rubbish, spam or whining comments. How many of you really want merits? - I suspect the answer  is virtually none. A lot of members here have suggested how to work for merits, and they offer helpful projects, but very few members take any notice.

All the poo that you post is rubbing off onto your trousers, and nobody is going to want to help you if you are covered with brown stains.

because the rewarder is really looking for members who have the ability and high will so they try very hard to be able to produce a good work and can be accepted by all members and seniors until given a reward that will support the promotion of our rank as subordinate

You're making a lot of assumptions. Especially number three, considering that I've never been part of any campaign. And number one and two, I don't care one iota about getting merits, and just expressing what I see. And what I see is that people as a whole have not gotten into any type of merit giving groove, so it's really, really, really hard to get any. And I say that because as I browse this forum I rarely ever see well thought out, good effort posts getting any merit.

This is the furom now if you can't accept the fact it's up to you if you stay or leave the pact. Your still lucky you got 10 merits unlike to us but maybe someday we can achieve our dream ranks for now we have to focus on our goals in contributing to the society and hoping that someday someone appreciate our effort.

I am also realizing without good posts you will never get merits,from some weeks i am observing that now the total focus and rank up is on merits which is only possible though good reputation and reputations come from good informative posts.

You know lucky because you have10 merit in, if I just have that feeling i feel satisfied .. because so many new member or just like me i have a lot of activities but until now im only still jr member rank because i still not doing help here or the other because i do not have talent like other or show a good attitude here in forum so I need to accept that still jr member. but in time i will be rank up! I do my best!
 Sorry for my English im not good in English ✌

Stop blame on someone else because you can not earn merits, please.
Merits should be sent to deserved threads which have ability itself to contribute to the forum.
Theymos created the merit system for that positive purpose, and users in the forum should give their hands and keep the good performance of merit system through their posts.
Your last thread (above mine) doesn't deserve merits for sure. So, you should change the way you compose your threads first.

This is because people don't readily give out their merits. Some have used it for business or shared it among their friends which ever way. It's not easily given

What did you imply, Flash Cunt?
There are about more than 70 merit sources, and lots of normal users who are readily to send their sMerits away to deserved threads.
Shitposters will never get merits because they don't deserve that. They can only earn merits from merit business.

You guys still don't get it do you. There's loads of merits out there to be given away, but there's fuck all worth giving it to.

post quality not quantity.  Always helps to post related gifs and funny responses.

Regards,

bigmelons25

because people have different perception on what is good and what bad.

i would spend time to try get merit at all, no one knows how long this forum will stay popular.

Everyone is equal in the eyes of the merit sources.... Despite a recent few who got caught.
Keep (start) contributing quality content to the discussions and soon merit will follow. Dont try to chase the merits or cry for them. They will come to you.

You dont need to impress anybody. Merit sources are not asking for your hand in marriage. LOL

I dont get you idea. You mean to say merit sources should be given more merits to distribute?

No system is immune to abuse. Every system is vulnerable to abuse.

They will be tagged with red if you report them properly and call a DT member to look into them.

Maybe once the merit sources increase in number we might see a paradigm shift.

oke, thnks buddy for the advice, I will do it Nice to meet you.

No, you have to make a good post because that's the purpose of a forum.

Stop thinking about Merits. Contribute if it's useful. Read if you want to learn. The rest will follow automatically.

It might be complicated to those person who don't even giving time creating a helpful thread or even sharing their knowledge to make other member lives easier. I mean instead of raising repeated question, why don't we start creating a thread that is composing of helpful information, high quality post and hyperlinks words that are the answers to those questions that are being raised tirelessly.

This new system of ranking up uskng the merit system has proven to be good. And as you said that it is difficult yeah it is because you don't have to impress only yourself in the post but you'd have to impress each reader. So you see how the task is, don't just write to please yourself, but write to impress and earn merits.

Do it, then you will know when merits come to you and who will send their sMerits to your threads.
In addition, you will not earn any merit for such non-sense thread like your last one.
Don't think of merits while composing your threads, instead of focusing on your ideas, which might help to rise your threads' quality, which in turn increase the probability to earn merits.
Only publishing new thread when you have something helpful, meaningful, or unique / creative (it should be like this) to contribute to discussions.

What's complicated is your understanding of the merit system. You don't need to push yourself to post a quality post that will satisfy the strict merit source so that he will merit you, you just need to push yourself to make a good one so that other members will merit it. Everyone has their own perspective of a meritorious post and soon enough, they will see your posts if ever you will make a good one.

well, so I have to make a good post to get merits, okay I will do but who will give what anyone want to sent merit to me iam new on here?

Don't wanna sound all mellow but I think the idea of contributing positively to the quality of the forum, is already a reward on its own. In return, you get quality threads and quality replies from other members. That's at least how it's supposed to be: getting rid of all those useless spam replies.

Gaining Merit, thus gaining other members' respect, as well as receiving higher bounties, makes that reward even more worth the effort. But if receiving Merits to get higher bounties is your only purpose, you're condemned to leading a very bitter life, my OP friend, cuz you'll be searching so desperately to write something down that's been done before anyway, that you'll be making a complete fool of yourself.

Well, there may not be any consideration for lowering the Merits gap as that will not serve the purpose for which it was created. If you want to earn Merits from people you have to improve on the quality of your post and above all, be a solution to other people's problems which i believe in doing that you will promotion issue will not be problem to you.

Well... apparently, you don't.

"Re: Why is it complicated to get merits"
Let's paraphrase the question better & and ask: How to get merits?
Then we will get a lot of valuable information.

For example me: Thanks to this merit-system, I started to learn English, and I study information about bitcoin. I realized, in order to get merits, I need to have useful information and write high-quality posts. I personally liked the post: TMAN'S guide to getting merit. read this post, I'm sure it will help you. I wish you luck.

I can vouch for some merit sources and I can tell you one thing - merit sources are lenient (which means opposite of strict in case you dont know). They are willing to give out merits to posts which are worth reading and are adding to the discussion. But if all they see is cry baby posts by bounty hunters then they will get ignored.

If you dont have proof dont make such comments. If you have proof post it in the proper section and await DT to neg them. Trading merit is an abuse of the system and hence tagworthy.

Admins dont have that much time in the forum to merit people. Mods already have their hands full cleaning up the shitposters.

Yes i agree with you on that. Getting merit is not complicated but rather difficult as most persons who have merit to give don't give it out and some just go about sharing their merit points with their friends. so if the merit gifting can be solely from the admins i think it will be better because every post that worth meriting will be merited without sentiment or Bias.

its complicated to get merits because merit giver are very strict when it comes  to their satisfaction. some post which are good and very helpful to this forum are not been merited. only post which are very much useful.

You are lucky to have 10 rewards, keep fighting do not complain sir .. and maybe this thread is very often encountered, i m sorry before ,, because this post is not intelligent information (intelligent information quality),
Please come back again with good quality posts, useful and no repetition of posts like this. Show that you deserve more rewards. Also read this thread..
->  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/merit-system-upgrade-2827596
Thank you for your attention 

I gave you a couple of merits. It's not just for that post, but a collective award for the last few posts you made. Please continue to support Bitcoin Talk.

Maybe it is an option in the future to lower Merits. Some accounts already had a rank here, when the Merit system starts, and they hadn't to do quality posts for reaching this rank. So there were some accounts who didn't deserve this. They had never done quality posts and the'll never do. So it'll be only a justice to lower the total merit amount of every account from time to time. Maybe 1 Merit per quarter. So shitposters will loose very soon their rank and get ranked down to the next lower rank.
Doing this we can have more justice between users registrated before the Merit System and users registered after the Merit System.

But I think it is to early to launch a decreasing of Merits, because there are still not enougt Merit Sources; the circulating sMerits are still decreasing. But if the circulating sMerits are getting to a higher value, we can have a look at a lowering of earned Merits.

I don't think it needs to be lowered, it is already fair. When you are a Newbie>Jr.Member, you only need 10 to rank up to Member, since you come from "know nothing". Then you already a Member means you begin to understand what is going on in this forum. To become a Full Member you need 90 more merits, and if you have not earn those merits means you have not completely understand what is this forum about, so learn more. When you actually deserve those 90 merit you will eventually got it.

and the OP would go like this:
Why the hell I can't get a single merit? This is too complicated and it is taking me this long trying to earn even a single one. 


Tough, challenging and motivating.
Besides, it's fun seeing a lot of account getting red trusted and then they post their rant on meta section and their fault will be pointed out by the community.

I am a "regular" "average" user in the forum. I am getting merited often for posting. I still need a huge number of merits to reach the next (and final) rank of the forum but do I look like I am complaining? Thing is that not everyone here has the ability to adapt to every new thing that the world throws at them.

If you feel that the merit system is favoring people and you are getting jealous of them for ranking up before you can (Hint: Rat Race??) then you can do the following :
1. Its time to up your game and learn better ways to post.
2. Stop visiting this forum and hope merit gets removed (Which will not happen)
3. The last but not the least - get a job and stop depending on the forum bounty earnings to get paid.

I'm assuming you started with 100 merit, so that means since the system was implemented you have gotten 4. Yet look at how much you have posted since.

You need to improve your English posting skills. I would have skipped over your post, but I decided to read it, and use it as an example. It takes work to understand what you are trying to say, and most of us here are pretty busy, so we just skip posts that don't flow easily.

I want to correct your notion. Getting merit isn't complicated and why it might seem complicated to you is because everyone is on a quest for it. Assuming we all allowed the merit system to play out and not want to get it all then it could have been different. All you need do is make reasonable posts that contributes to the forum success and viola merits will come.

The thing is that to get merit you have to post really, really, really, really good comments that catches people. While before to rank up you could just post regular and in the flow of things. While the merit systems guarantees that spammer won't rank up, it almost guarantees that a regular, average user won't rank up either.

This wouldn't be possible as for the ranks are also being abused by some users. They're using their accounts just for earning in bounties, and within that case the number of spammers would definitely increase if we lowered the Merit Requirement of some RANKS.

JUST BE PATIENT. That's what I can only contribute for your question. Don't waste your time on finding any other ways because as you can see on zentdex's post the Merit Distribution as of now is decreasing as time goes by. And only our posts will always be the answer on our needs in Merits.

Getting merit is not difficult as what you're saying about. You can simply get merit if your post are good enough and contributing good to the forum but I saw your Latest Posts but most of them are on "bounties" which doesn't deserve any single merit.
Your count posts is at 1135 but didn't get any merit and has 182 activity with "10 Merits".
I just notice on every "bounty hunters" that they do not received any merit yet because most or commonly their posts are "crappy" as what you have mentioned.

Instead of reading what other people have been saying or gossiping about merit and all dont you ever feel that you should work on your own and develop good skills of writing posts and engaging the general public to read your posts? That along with well written constructive posts on topic is what is needed for getting merit - of course at the proper exposure from merit sources.

Its a pity that some bottomfeeders think that writing large walls of text will fetch them merits. They dont realize that doing so causes retinal detachment in the reader and thus they have exactly zero chance of getting merited.

This is the best counter to OP's suggestion. People should really look into their quality before asking this kind of question and making threads all over meta. One way to know it is by submitting their posts to the review/giveaway services of high ranked members and see if they got merit or not.

sentences don't have to be long, actually if you do that unless you are nullius you are unlikely to get merits. The quality comes from content not length

Because just like trust merit is very hard to earn you have to do very constructive posts (see nullius posts) in order to get merit. if you want to get merits there are a lot of tips and trick to get merits just go search TMAN's tip in this section. if you ask me, i don't care about ranking up nor on merit system since i don't construct long sentences just make a point.

Actually ranking up in the forum is not the main thing that you need to do. It is just an indicator for the experience in the forum and the knowledge you gain while you refer this forum. You should definitely get a lot of knowledge about bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies if you refer the forum well. There are so much threads and topics to discuss and talk about the crypto and the market. and also mining and etc. If you truly refer those posts and stayed with the forum, you will definitely increasing up your knowledge. And also it is the way that you can rank up in the forum. If you have enough knowledge,you will post valuable stuff in this forum. And the rank will be increased according to the posts. So try to gain some knowledge here rather than just try to rank up without anything in your mind.

Well, merits is not that complicated to get, just have a good, quality and constructive post then you get merit. Merit system has a big influence in this forum, lowering the merits might disabled the use of it.

Minimum level of received merits to start a thread outside of newbies is the next step

Any consideration of increasing the quality of posting in the forum, so that we can find posts to award with merits?

If everyone could get merits then it would break the wisdom of the merit system. Say for example every bitcointalk users are merit sources, then it is just like saying that there is no merit at all.

OP if everyone could get merits easily wouldn't it defeat the purpose?

Many don't realize what is the positive huge impact of Merit system. Imagine those multiple alternative accounts ranking up by just being active, replying unrelated post, meeting the number of activity every 2 weeks using the old ranking system. Today's ranking system is different. Since merits are hard to achieve, those alternative accounts and have higher ranks are now afraid getting a negative trust and very careful on not to spam the forum and not joining the same bounties and airdrops.

I understand that you are a member right now and you need 90 merits to become a full member. Don't you know that most SHITPOSTERS in the forum are ranked jr. member and member. Maybe there are some low ranked users here that are contributing but most as in MOST of them are just contributing nothing here in the forum but just do some shitposts, one liner posts etc.

Regarding to  your question, there is no consideration of lowering of merits right now because rank here is useless. If you want to learn something, rank is useless.

Oh I know now, you are complaining because you want to gain higher stakes in the signature campaign right . You can get merit by contributing here. As my observation, people who know the complex things about bitcoin like mining, transaction, wallets, nodes etc. are the ones who got the most merits. Maybe you can learn them too

Where you are complaining about merit to be high, there are people who got it and have been ranked up. It's all about who deserves it. Stop crying for merit and work hard for it if you want to get promotion.

I've found lot of merit topic in this forum, perhaps now I am not considering and paying lot of attention for this merit as can be seen also in my profile without merit at all . For me, just still to learn a lot and also reading. But perhaps for you with much longer than me in this forum, merit is now a problem because of getting it is not easy. Hmm I am thinking also someday to know how creating good/high quality post in this forum.

You meant to write "eliminate" I'm sure, right?

It's supposed to be tough.  If it wasn't, then we'd basically go back to where we were prior to January, and most people who've been on bitcointalk a while and have seen how toxic the shitposting problem is would argue that that would be regressing.  I'm among those. 

What's your rush to rank up, anyway?  You don't need to answer that, because it's rhetorical.  You want to increase your earnings and need a higher rank to do so.  We've heard this before, many times.  I'd suggest locking the thread.

I tried the signature thing, I really didn't like how I felt pressured to post someone elses way.. I decided screw it..

This merit thing.. Once again I feel pressured to post a cretin way..
Oh man now I am going to have to try to make these these big posts that stand out as being of excelent content, oh and better make sure to post it in just the right spot so it will get good visibility..

Blah.. Screw merit chasing.. I'm going to post whatever I want..
Maybe when I have like 1500 activity and am still not ranked up I'll reassess the situation..

That's how I feel about it personally, and I do not expect to get many merits with my normal posting behavior, so it's whatever..

I am glad the merit system is here though, I think it is doing very well, and with the amount of accounts getting destroyed with red these days, as time goes on their will be more merit to go around for those who deserve it and those who deserve it will stand out easier without so much background noise..

So I think if you aren't a spammer/scammer/untrustable/just out to make money, just chill out, do your thing, be you, and soon enough you will get your merit..

Right now it looks like you have to be all special and do great things to get merits, but soon I think that just casually being a non-negative user will be enough to get noticed and get ranked up...

I think Theymos said something about sources just going ahead and ranking up accounts that they think deserve it, that time will come, just be a good dude and I think sources will eventually rank you up..

As what have TMAN's said you light up those shitty posters and spammers if you lowered that merit required even though farmers account.
You're not alone here mate even I stuck on this rank but I still enjoy reading and posting in the forum, just forgot for a while those merit system and keep up the good post just like a genuine post. Probably after you do that without knowing you, your post was merited to merit source or un merit source as long as they like your thought.

Yes, precisely this is must you should do OP, don't waste your time asking or trying to change what our admin implemented.

I have got 2 less than you have after 500 default merits for being Hero and I am quite happy with the points I have earned.

Technically speaking a newbie making a merit crybaby post will never get any merits. Be it well written or poorly written. Again a known and popular member of the forum making a general comment might actually get some merits from even non-merit sources might give them merits (pseudo-asslicking/trying to attract their attention).

It depends on the merit source. Not all posts written in the way you speak will get merits.

So basically even if the limit would be lowered to 11 merits for the next rank you would still be unable to rank up.


1. Use the search feature more often, for example
2. Stop posting 99% in the shitcoin section. Nobody is giving merit for two liners there an that is the only board where you're active.

Just like what has been told by a few posts above me, basically, you just need to create a good post and that's it. The definition of a good post might be subjective to some point, but keep in mind that it will always be contributive, interesting, or meaningful for others.

Btw, I join this forum around November, so when this merit system is introduced, I was in Member rank with 10 merits as a starting point just like you. My merits mostly come from my contribution to my local board. There's a lot of users there that created a useful and great thread with the purpose of helping my local community while at the same time trying to solve the problems that arise in my local boards, and they too got a lot of merits.

Other than that, I choose to post in a thread mainly in serious discussion, meta, and some others because in those boards, the 'spam virus' isn't that bad as what happens to the other boards. Engage in an active discussion that will benefit yourself. After taking a look at your post history, I suggest you decrease your habit of doing a quote pyramid.

Please learn more about to make the quality posts on this forum. I did not mean about the grammar skills, firstly you need to prepare yourself you can assist the person with the details what needed for op.
If simply replies the continuous answer the tail unwanted answers, there is no sense to ask for merits mate.
I hope my reply does not hurted you better make better posts ask to billgator he doing this meriting service for long time.

 when you make a history of good post quality, you will be receiving merits slowly but constantly from your old posts.

Make good quality content and wait.
It's hard to get merit, but good quality content is now something you must do before being able to rank up.

You do not need to rush. Make few good posts per week, and you will get merits.

Good quality posts require some research and reflexion.
You can earn some merit by luck without any research, but I think you'll not get much.

It is tough to gain Merit yes, I’m a Legendary Member & I only have 62 Merit points (not counting the other 1000, I had them to start with just by being Legendary).

I’ve seen a lot of people complaining that lower ranked accounts don’t receive many Merit points. It’s total rubbish because I’m Legendary & have been here since 2014 yet I only have 62.

The fact is that Merit is & always will be handed out based on quality of posts. If you make a high quality post it stands a great chance of being deemed Merit worthy by others. It doesn’t matter if you’re black, brown, white, yellow or green, Legendary or a total Noob.

Make high quality, clear & concise posts and you’ll be rewarded with Merit. I appreciate it must be frustrating fighting to rank up but hang on in there. You’ll get there in the end OP.

Welcome to the Meta board, which has likely changed to be a place for merit complains.
Honestly, please tell me how many activities will you need to meet to rank up from Member to Full Member.
60 activities, right? I don't see anything uncomfortable here. 120 activities to reach Full member rank and 90 merit points. It is possible task.

What I mean about grading system=motivation in my reply, don’t take it literally.

Your sales speech is not strong enough IMO to change the merit structure. You are thinking while wearing your own shoes

I suggest Instead of commenting on everything create some good contents that will benefit the members. It's not that complected at all to receive merits. Examples are all around your. You chose which side to take... Stay the way you are or with those who are receiving merits constantly?

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I disagree comparing with grading system. It's not any institution that you have a curriculum/syllabus  to follow. Merit awarding view for two persons is not the same. Receiving merit depends on few things...
# Someone with having sMerits reading your posts
# His mood on that specific time while s/he reading
# Their taste of reading etc

There are no certain rule to spend sMerits which turns to merit for you. I certainly agree with other views you provided. It's a place of seeking knowledge and hanging out with the community.

Hi,ibininja,

I can see that you're lucky to have 10 merits, some users started with none. I do not think lowering merit requirements can help us, consider it as our grading system in a University, you need to gain more informations to have higher grades or to move to your senior years. In addition, considered yourself lucky cause in Universities you need to pay them for your additional knowledge, while here, you do not need to pay bitcointalk to learn, you just need to help yourself earn knowledge not merit. My tip is just easy: learn to earn. Good luck and see you around.

But why you (like many other users) want to rank-up?? and as you fail to reach next rank, why you claim the forum rules (described as it's unfair) and look for advices? Keep focusing on making good quality posts and collect more knowledge. You need to be a good person in this forum that people can trust you and attracted to your posts with good quality.

You want to light up some shitty posts?

I would start reading and stop bitching, plenty of threads about merit, all at the click of the search button

Hey guys

I understand that the merit system is meant to illuminate/minimize the number of crappy posts...etc
Honestly I find it really complicated jumping up a rank; the merit gap between ranks is really high. I mean I have 10 merits I need 90 to jump up a rank it has been really really long and not even a single merit scored.

Any consideration of lowering the merits required for the rank up requirements? or any tips you good guys have on how or where do I have to be to get them merits?