Topic: Why is META not a SIG SPAM FREE ZONE? surely you want real Enthusiasts opinions? (Read 734 times)

 I explain clearly in my thread of the year and it is quite obvious that as suchmoon correctly states merit is MEANINGLESS without out clear definition and criteria.

So you quoting your MEANINGLESS merit score as some kind of validation for your opinion is guess what??? yes MEANINGLESS. It simply makes zero sense to use this to validate anything or lend credibility to any thing you post.
Each post must stand upon its own merit (objective merit not pal credits)

If you do not accept that then get suchmoon to explain.


Also I did not accuse you of spamming your sig did I? I think you have not understood the first part of my prior post is not a response to you. Hence why I put @hilarious and CO later down in the post where the reply to you started because apparently we are not allowed to double post. Which is a dumb idea because it creates issues exactly like this.

I do not think that you understand the point I am making at all.

1. will a REAL  enthusiast post here LESS if he gets paid or not? I mean you WANT to make the forum better for EVERYONE right? a place for crypto to flourish?

2. will someone who is mostly here for the sig spam money put LESS effort into meta if they are not getting paid for their "contributions"? - - i suspect they may well do

3. If someone is here mostly for the money they will have to expend MORE effort to post in PAID2POST sections and then in META too.

4. I would rather have UNDILUTED collisions between REAL enthusiasts when debating on ways to make the forum a better place for all persons. Those with SELFISH motives that will NOT being putting the entire boards interests first should not be getting paid to infest and over run this part of the board.

5. People want to spam for bucks then go to the spam for bucks boards with the other spammers. You want to give objective insights on how to improve the board for everyone you come here and do it for free.



Describing Bruno as a Buffoon is grossly disrespectful to the entire board. He has really put lots of unpaid and unrewarded effort into preventing scammers here over the years. He may be the best scam hunter ever and takes them down head on no snitching and crying to others for help. Far exceeding the value of 90% of the DT in TOTAL.

I did not even look at the project that much but it was some youtube thing. I actually supported it because of the person himself. I did not even check if it was going ahead obviously since I kept the sig there months after someone told me it was aborted. I collect everything that I can and have no need to sell these coins (well i don't think there are any because it did not take place in the end). In the future having some of brunos first coins from his first project would be something i would be glad to have in my collection.




Well

1. you are replying to a post that you think was made for you but was not.
2.  I find your passion for a mixing service of which there are 100's to likely be related to your payment for such passion. Not that I care what people promote so long as it is not a scam as you say, just let's leave it out of meta.
Since you are a dev  under my proposal you are not actually prevented so why worry?





I has everything to do with the QUESTION the idiot I was replying to asked me? have you read the thread or just here to launch some attack on me?


Lol. Congratulations. Here's your badge for the thread of the year:



AGAIN not a post made for you. But thanks, now go give it a ton of merit for addressing the most serious issues facing the board here and the free speech that has kept it the best forum on the net. Not the  merit you gave a faux rebuttal to my important and correct points.



THIS DEMONSTRATES THAT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE THREAD OF THE YEAR AT ALL.

The more you drive up "earned merit requirements" ranks requirements, no red trust requirements (for highly paid sig campaigns and their higher rates)  of course they can damage and get rid of other people to reduce competition for these "exclusive highly paid sig campaigns" hence why merit and trust control PAID2POST AND TRADING. There can be no argument that is how it works and also that free speech is being crushed. There can be no denying it. Calling it a conspiracy demonstrates

1. either you do not understand how it OBSERVABLY works or the direct implications/risks of allowing it to function as it does.
2. you want to PRETEND it does not work like that and discredit my TRUTH by casting it as a conspiracy nut theory. When it is an observable fact that it can and does operate exactly like that.




This can likely be explain by THIS REPLY WAS NOT MEANT FOR YOU WAS IT?? so why quoting it as if I am addressing you ??



I have no idea what you are talking about.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XGAmPRxV48&feature=youtu.be&t=15



1. an observable lie for reasons I have already stated. The systems of change will bring change for all persons and my trust abuse that you sanction and support is just a symptom.


SO NOW YOU HAVE ANSWERED A TON OF QUESTIONS I DID NOT ASK YOU??  what about the ones I did ask you???

I see you must missed those out by MISTAKE??

Should I repost them again.

I am not actually grouping you in with the "gang" 100% but still your support of them is beyond doubt. I do not say you are as bad as they are and I have found no wrong doing directly on your part. However wanting to be pals with them so you will willingly support PROVEN liars, PROVEN trust abusers and PROVEN sneaky greedy racist trolling sig spammers using sock puppets and NOW start meriting them is disgusting and not something a mod should be doing.

You are not being objective or you don not understand what is happening here (which i doubt)

Now please answer the ONLY questions that I asked you NOT the questions I answers and questions I was posing for some noob questioning my legitimacy and one of the observably fairest and honest members on this board who is spending his time ensuring this board continues as great as it has been since I found it.


TLDR???

well this is explaining that most of the post he made was in response to questions and statements of truth not even aimed at him at all?

I await answers to his choices as a mod for supporting (including) on a trust system PROVEN dirt bags and not EXCLUDING them and deleting their sigs off as punishment for their vile attacks on honest persons accounts and their sneaky greedy financially motivated spamming ways.

ALSO CREDIT TO HIM FOR (H&C so he knows I mean him)
1. suggesting that we could create a system where depending on rank you could reply but it would not bump the thread to the top.

this is a good idea, I really like it.

I read and understood your post but you clearly didn't read or understand mine because I already addressed your points, but if I'm 'spamming' my signature then why have I never been banned for such behaviour? Why am I one of the highest merited users on the board? Clearly my posts do have merit here so why does me having a signature not make me an enthusiast or invalidate my points? If someone wants to post without a signature then more power to them, but I'm not going to throw away the opportunity to earn for doing so and certainly not just to appease some whinger who is trying to make a point.


Why does it have to be a promising project? You advertised Bruno's crappy money-grab. Did you think that was a promising project that you believe in or did you do it just because you feel some affinity to that buffoon? Either way you and anyone else should be free to have whatever they please in their signature as long as it's not unethical.


You can presume whatever you want, but the fact that I can get paid to make worthwhile contributions and also argue with idiots is awesome to me. Maybe I should forgo my mod money as well since obviously I am only here for that. Perhaps a doctor should give up his wage if he truly cares about saving lives and not just the money.

Also, how do you know I don't find Chipmixer a novel or interesting project? I cry tears of passion about Chipmixer every night.


What does this have to do with anything here? As usual this thread really doesn't seem to be about sig spam, but just you and giving you yet another thread to have a whinge in.


Lol. Congratulations. Here's your badge for the thread of the year:




Well you could but you'd be a paranoid conspiracytard. If you're genuinely trying to propose that people are trying to get rid of users so they can enrich themselves even more then that's beyond ridiculous.


Shows how much you pay attention to my posts because I have suggested several things that would stop things like spam bumping like lower-ranked users not being able to bump threads, threads only being able to be bumped once a day regardless of how many posts are made in them, and also removing the Alt coin board and each individual coin gets there own sub board which would make paid bumping useless. There's probably other things I've suggested too that I can't quite recall right now.



Megaloz. Are you saying this without any degree of irony?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XGAmPRxV48&feature=youtu.be&t=15


Nobody here wants or needs your approval. Everything you do here now is to have a whinge and you're only concerned about yourself rather than other issues (especially non-issues like this).

ah the COWARDLY trash are here to highlight just how stupid and net negative they are and how much this swamp needs draining. Suchmoon is obviously scared to face me under her usual skanky account that is my strong suspicion here. Or one of the other scum like lauda another untrustworthy coward.


Let's tackle your 4th point first you disgusting piece of cowardly sock puppeting shit.

Your report is nothing but an attempt to silence me from telling the truth under a false premise that you don't have the brain to understand.

Your sock puppet retarded report is a fucking JOKE and shows how scared you are of me.

The COPY AND PASTED text (the first one) is a text that was cross used by me and others tons and tons  of times to fight the VERY SAME SCAM you and your pals lauda were pumping and LYING ABOUT and trying to scam others into investing in.

That actual text was provided by a scam fighting supporter of mine who actually created it to help ME fight that scam. I missed to reference it a few times from tons of times when I was presenting it to people I had presented it to already MANY TIMES before who knew who created it because it was at the top of all of the MAIN dark coin war threads on the alt discussion board for months . YES that is the biggest scam here ever and yes i did force an air drop offered that was worth 2 BILLION DOLLARS. So although you think you are highlighting something you think I did wrong. You are actually highlighting a great and NET POSITIVE thing that I have done beyond anything you will ever do here. SOCK PUPPET COWARD


The second part is even more stupid. The people who I was talking too in that thread (dark scum supporters) knew 100% that i was not THE DASH GUY (LOL) he was a prior huge dash whale and prior fan of it hahah. It even says his name who people knew who exactly who he was in his post. The very nature of the text if you read it does obviously not describe myself you dumb piece of shit so claiming it as my own is laughable. The rest of the page and discussion tell you everyone accept you knows it could never be me... haha this is why morons should not meddle with things they don't understand.

Only a fucking moron like yourself that has no clue of the history of that scam and my excellent work in highlighting it and preventing it knocking BTC from top spot could even consider reporting that.

The other false accusations are easy to crush as your feeble mind.

But your point 3 is the best and demonstrates you are clearly a broken and desperate fool.  

A sockpuppet that was created by ( I suspect suchmoon after I humiliated and broke her mind several times until she started spouting ludicrous and deranged statements and debunking her own arguments who tries to get me banned by scanning my entire 13k post for just one shitty excuse haha) now starts lying in public and making more false allegations about me lying (prove it) having a sock puppet (prove it)

So you come here to tell more lies , make more false allegations and highlight what a dirty skank you are for trying to get a proven scam hunter who forced a 2BILLION DOLLAR air drop to the board for fairness banned because YOU do not understand the context that I copy and pasted and not the persons on that thread. That is your reason you think I will fear you? tell everyone 100x a day because that makes me look like a  god here.

If the rest of the board was not such a bunch of sloths they would have had 2 billion dollars worth of coins to share for free because of me fighting for fairness here and crushing scum like you to admit it was a scam so lauda your pal and the pharmacist and that piece of shit nutildah, and i think suchmoon all into that scam were proven scam promoters and protectors and I was correct all along.

You think this will discredit me you dumb shit. Let's think of a suitable punishment based on the net positive gains here. Well instead of removing my sig, just club together and get me 1 Billion dollars as a 50% fee for fighting for fairness for you all. I will then donate it to charities of my own choosing. Don't worry the brain injuries clinic will get enough to keep you in your dribbling cowarldy state for a few more years.

ALL of this copy and paste bullshit is nothing other than a tactical weapon for scum like suchmoon that snitching bitching dumb piece of cowardly shit to wield some power. Fuck her and anyone that uses this sneaky snitching crap against real legends. Hence why I have defended any legend that gets this crap thrown at them if it was not to game the system for financially motivated reasons. You are here because you don't want sigs to be removed plain and simple.

I have no respect for cowardly snitches. Stand up to people in public you pathetic cowards.

I mean snitches that use their own accounts are scum but snitches that need to create puppet accounts.....Well scum is too good for them. You are the lowest of the low and anyone doubting what a scum bag you are and what a coward you are is just as bad.

Now back to on topic because as always the scum buster crew are looking very worried about this suggestion of having their sig spamming curbed and bringing out lies and false claims.

Drain the swamp time, the sig powered dirt bags won't be posting much here once the sig spam bucks dry up. haha

@hilarious and "co" ? who are the CO here??

I notice that you are meriting yet again a post contain a lot of INCORRECT assumptions and that is very politically motivated whilst of course ignoring my very important questions that you have ignored before.

You also seem to be condoning by attributing merit cowardly sock puppeting again here, and someone spewing incorrect, misleading and damaging net negative trash. I have just destroyed his entire case and also highlighted the fact she is a deceitful coward.

Would you like to debate with my now why it looks rather shady and also demonstrates a complete lack of good judgement to

1. meriting dog shit like this from a cowardly sock puppet casting lies at me about having a sock puppet whilst is an observable sock puppet themselves.
2..not explaining the reasoning behind including SEVERAL proven Dirt bags into a trust system

This is not how mods should be acting in cases such as these. Stop worrying you should keep your sig and I will protect you from any harsh treatment from "the gang".

Now unless you want to ban me for

1. being the most observably fair and caring person on this board. Often sticking up for bullied persons when it results in me getting flack. Always pushing for the fairest distributions here in the past even when I could have gained more leaving them as they were.
2. getting the largest financial offer from a schemer to right a wrong in the history of this board.
3. pointing out the honest implications for free speech here.
4. asking you to do you job

then answer my questions and start kicking these trust abusing scum sucking net negative cowards and financially motivated scam supporters off of this board or deleting their sigs. Not sitting around getting paid to stick up for them, merit them, include them on DT and crush down the truth.

 I have just about had enough of people sneaky meriting and sniping at me who will not discuss the facts. Meriting this cowardly puppet for spewing incorrect dirt and out of context misleading lies.

Will you debate this with me YES OR NO ?

I have had just about enough of some admin taking the side of these proven liars, scam promoters, trust abusers, greedy sneaky sock puppet racist trolls sig spammers, and now cowardly fucking lying puppets (probably suchmoron or one of those scumbags) and showing them favour. You are meant to be impartial and evaluate the full case from both sides.

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>Complains about being lectured to in a condescending tone
>Lectures others in a condescending tone

2 - https://archive.fo/jdLEA
>Complains others using signatures should find a "real project"
>Previously advertised some ICO trash in their signature

3 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.49565540
>Complains about liars, trust abusers and sock puppets
>Part of a group of liars, trust abusers and sock puppets

4 - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.48790244
>Claims to be totally righteous
>Caught plagiarizing

Try to read and understand the entire post.

The facts are that you are spamming your sig constantly and it has NOTHING to do with a promising project that you believe in.

Also you are observably fighting to retain the ability to spam your sig here.

Remove your sig and we can then presume you are not just here for financial gain. Or find a novel and interesting project that you believe can make a difference or help attract people to crypto. Can you not read the OP?


1. i hardly ever wear a sig (or leave an old one of for many months obviously it does not get receive rewards after) that does not sound like some grubby little sig spammers actions trying for max profits does it?

2. policy pal has a chance to use crypto to make a huge difference to the insurance industry.

3. I have not even sold these coins and actually if you read my history you will see I am a "collector" of coins (old ones and interesting ones) here and often do not sell any of them or just a small part of them. I have over 300 different projects many of which I mined or bought to keep for posterity. A real enthusiast for a particular thing likes to collect items related to that which he is enthusiastic about. I still have many of my originally mined coins in my wallets. I could have sold them many times for HUGE financial rewards.

let's not confuse that with what you are doing with your sig.

Sure, people want to make money here along the way I wanted to make money and I made money it was great I loved it and am enjoying my GAINZZZZ . I never said this is a "bad" thing. When it becomes a "bad" thing is when you put that desire above the desire to do the "right" thing morally and  before the "right" thing for the good of crypto. Making money is not a bad thing when you compete fairly against others on a level playing field and win. I have fought to change distributions when I can gain a lot, to a different distribution method ..where I will gain far less but it is far fairer for all.

Do you really believe someone such as myself whom was on the great majority of POW alt coin launches prior to ico trash showing up. The launch that is not just mining at some point and believe me when I say i was great at getting on that chain with my rigs very quickly. However you will see that I fought for fair launch protocols.

 Having been there through 2 huge bull runs and having been a NEM stake holder, and having purchased NXT the day after the ICO. Then to have predicted in public  6 of the top 10 rising projects in the last wave (way before they went insane)  and having been thanked publicly by many persons and in PMs by many that had next to nothing that turned to millionaires. (that is starting with next nothing not a HUGE pile of crypto) that I would need to spam a sig for financial reasons. Not to be boastful because that is not the kind of person I am.

Try to imagine starting with huge crypto portfolio and moving from one to the other as each hit their huge upswing (of course not perfectly but if people with nothing turned to millionaires then even you can start to imagine). I mean I would simply not have the inclination to worry about spamming for btc dust. That is not just boasting that is presenting the reason why I have not in many years bothered with sigs and must have one of the least sig used for profit accounts of any legend that was not a super btc whale back in days before I joined. I have actually given a huge proportion of my own money away to people because I simply don't need that much money anyway. Although I have noticed giving people large sums of money is not always good for them so you can try to do a good thing and actually it was a mistake.

Do you see any lack of posting motivation since I have ever removed a sig ? I mean am I posting more now than ever though I am on vacation for example? why because the systems need changing for fairer and less abused systems by you and your pals.

Now as to my achievements here. Well let's group all of yours together and say well done noob, you have helped implement some measures to prevent some 2 bit spammers or at least slow them down until they find some ways to circumvent the measures. I mean you suggested a few things that could help the whack a mole crews jobs easier and helped clean up the boards a bit "perhaps". So "perhaps" I was over stating you were actual trash in that regard.

However any of that "semi good" stuff you have apparently done yourself ( i didn't check because as you know I am very lazy and also I am doing other things in life except trawling peoples pasts here) to me is bit of a  waste of time however well meaning. WHY? because as long as there is financial reward here for anything other than finding great projects then you will always get people trying to game the system to their own financial reward.

Also you are clearly one to revel in the prevention of 3rd world people making some dust to survive (which I actually have said before I am sympathetic to but understand we can't have it due to it ruining the posting environment for all persons). WHILST at the same time are one to support and bolster people that are proven liars, proven trust abusers and also one of the greedy sneaky sock puppet sig spammers that you claim you wish to prevent?

 Also you are either too blind or foolish to realise that I am suggesting things that prevent abuse and gaming of paid2post from the top down which is far more important. You are also too busy to come to my thread of the year and assist me pushing for a fairer and more equal system for all that does not leave the jack boot of your "pals" on the neck of free speech.

So i mean I could view your "prevention" of other spammers as really just one big ploy to game the system so that you and your pals can sig spam more effectively for yourselves right? Same for these others who find some 2 bit scammers so they can justify their extortions and other shady stuff.

You are trawling my post histories apparently back to some project I even forgotten I had supported but can not apparently find where I have listed my achievements (well just a handful of them) at least 5 times in the last couple of weeks. LOL.

Do I really need to list them again? it seems extremely boastful,  and cheesy and almost unbelievable (although all true) of course a few of the measures you have suggested are perhaps useful...however to compare them to my own is completely ludicrous. I mean we could vanquish all of those by just BANNING SIGS. I didn't yet fully investigate the only one that really interested me (because I am busy enjoying myself) but if you have found a way to stop the pretend conversations and bump spamming of shitty icos (which i doubt that you have) that would be a MAJOR benefit to the board. However, as I said i don't think this is really going to be possible since I have thought about ways to prevent this and can see no way.

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TLDR

1. I'm "better" than you in all conceivable ways so don't seek to lecture me in a condescending tone on anything.
2. Remove your sig or find a real project that you believe in that could make a difference in crypto
3. Stop asskissing and supporting proven liars, trust abusers and sneaky sock puppet sig spamming racist trolls.
4 Never dream you will find anything in my post history that you will spin into me not having impeccable morals and totally righteous.
5. I will add more here when I feel like it.

Of course you must never take me 100% seriously or you will upset yourself more than you need. I enjoy presenting facts and observable events in a playful way especially whilst I enjoy a nice foot massage (these oils they use are lovely these peppermint ones feel both cool and refreshing). If you are not a simple ass kissing noob trash scumbag implementing a few measures to bolster your own paid2post postions and those of your dishonest and trust abusing masters then I am sorry to have cast you in that light. Perhaps you are just undercover and demanding to keep sigs here in meta for extra deception?

If you are a good member then stand up for a fairer system that is more transparent and equal for all persons that will create a true meritocracy and an environment where crypto can flourish. Once i see you supporting a fairer and more transparent system then I will say already that you are a REAL legend (just like me).
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@hilarious

Because as I have explained that "meta" is where the specific discussions relating to the "policies" that govern PAID2POST amongst other things are discussed and formed.  These systems of control slipping in under admin level are dangerous. You can't have those that are  most greedily benefiting from these systems and their influence on the board here in meta doing all the coaxing on how to develop these systems for their further selfish gain.

Besides you are a moderator are you not? then this does not suggest removing mods sigs nor their accounts. I do not believe mods are as damaging to free speech here. Since they work within a reasonably clear mandate and are answerable for that to theymos and there is a course for appeals. In that way the board works nicely. So they have no real self interest as such to influence board policy accept to be "pals" with the in crowd. So should be allowed sigs.

However, they could be seen to indirectly be having an influence on free speech if they are supporting within the systems of control proven liars, trust abusers and sneaky sock puppet racist sig spammers. This is why I do not think mods should support anyone on their trust lists that have ANY financially motivated DIRT on their post histories or actually anyone else who is supporting them directly.

I have no idea why you are supporting these scoundrels and trust abusers to reside within a trust system. Get them out if you are a moderator, and order them to reverse their trust abuse or take their sigs away full time. Or make me a mod and I will zap these little scamps back into line in 5 mins.

I see you can now zap their sigs out from under them. Well then, tell them you have 2 weeks to remove all  of your trust abuse or kiss your "highly paid sigs" good bye for a year or 2. Watch those red marks vanish.

Persons scamming here or putting their own financial gain above the good of the board need to be taught a quick lesson. Slap their sigs off of them. This new sig removal power opens up some really good ways to change things here because the worst of the worst love their sigs.

Why would a mere signature invalidate someone's opinions in Meta? Probably 95% of my posts on this account are in Meta and the vast majority of merits I've received are also from in here (and I'm one of the highest merited users) (not trying to suck my own cock or anything but the info is relevant to the argument)). I think a lot of people baring a signature actually make great posts (and arguably among their best) in Meta. Having a paid signature is just a bonus to me and I like that I can get paid for my contributions (which I believe to be worthwhile). Sure, you could remove signatures from being displayed here or in any other board if you truly want a non-monetised discussion (and I guess that's what the Ivory Tower etc are for), but why are you making this argument just for this board when the same could be said for any other? As I've always said, the problem here isn't merely having a paid signature; it's the people who make low quality contributions that should be penalised or curbed because it's the low quality posts that are the issue not merely signatures and in my opinion some signature campaigns actually elevate the quality of discussion here. Sure, there are surely some people who would not be making the posts if they weren't getting paid for them, but if the quality of the posts are worthwhile then I don't see the issue and I certainly don't think it's an issue in Meta when we've got spam fests like Bitcoin Discussion where the likelihood of having any sort of decent discussion is next to zero. In fact, Meta is probably one of the only boards where decent discussion can take place and I feel like I don't need to bash my head against the keyboard by what I'm reading.

Using all those epithets against people you don't know, shows who the real MORON is.

Tell me what have you done for the forum before you start to accuse the other of being noob sig spamming trash?

For this 1 year ( and a few months) I've been here,I have put more effort to make this place better than you can imagine.
Thanks to people like me, LoyceV, Welsh,etc., the spam wave in the Altcoin Section was stopped with the 24 hours rule, the bumping bots almost disappeared, the homograph attacks went to 0, people started reporting more and thanks to the club I started more than 10000 shtposters were reviewed and big part of them were banned/nuked. I stated different initiatives to make this place better: Here, here here, here ...

So tell me again how a noob sig spamming trash I am.

I like working with facts. Those above are just a part of the solid facts I have. What are yours then?

PolicyPal Network was a paid signature.. so who is completely stupid now?

Well yes indeed. Would it be a bad thing? Not imho, but there could be a debate and create a list of advantages/disadvantages
Perhaps all sigs should be confined to the speculations board? After all is not promoting an incomplete project based on some whitepaper dreams and talk your own speculation that that project is worth while. Perhaps gambling sig in the gambling sections?

I wish it could all go back to POW and ico's never turned up.

I mean with projects rising and falling huge % per day surely if you have a real interest in the area you will not have issue finding the REAL projects with the REAL devs that show some promise. Sigs are weak sauce if all you want is money. Just find the gems amongst the over hyped junk.

Actually locating devs and projects that are pushing to fill in the last pieces of the puzzle here is helping the entire movement here anyway.  The scams and hyped junk taking the chumps change away and not giving anything back is the second most damaging thing happening to this board. Scams or rather the dangerous scams are not always the obvious 2 bit scammers who run with a few btc. More damaging are seemingly credible and supported projects that show real promise and fool all but the most knowledgeable, that "almost" come through on their promises and hype ...... but then just fade away leaving everyone disheartened and out of pocket and leaving with a foul taste about crypto.

Alts board is a real cess pool of the worst posters on the entire forum. I’d rather we dealt with Bitcoin Discussion. That should be the highest quality posting section on the forum, it should be the most informative & overall best part of bitcointalk.org

It’s why we’re all here isn’t it, to discuss bitcoin with our fellow bitcoin’ers (is that a word?). There really is a problem with spam & absolute shit posting there.

It’s been discussed previously but I don’t know what can be done. I wouldn’t be against theymos banning all sigs, it’d dramatically improve the quality of posting but at what cost? Large numbers of people would leave without the possibility of earning from their sigs. Would that be a bad thing though?

This is actually a valid point.

 I wish Theymos would give me demerit powers that I could wield at will and as extremely as I like so long as I could present a VERY  STRONG case for each and every single merit that I could remove. If I fail to present a strong case then my powers are taken away for good. I would have a field day here in meta.

Then again a lot of merit comes from the sig spammers here.

Still reducing incentive in any way  is a good first step. Things are often solved in steps not in one foul swoop.

Although the alts board is the most in need in terms of sheer numbers of blatant spammers, it is better to sort things from the top down where perhaps the very most dangerous and critical damage is done.

No, because my case is just 1 example of how this abuse can take place. I just outlined the implications for free speech. This is not just about myself. However my red trust is also admittedly a nice driving force to do the right thing. I am naturally a very lazy person so I need a lot of motivation anyway.

The systems MUST be altered if you do not want the systems of control to crush free speech. It really is that simple. Who decides if a person should be "heated" ??

Can someone be "heated" if they were called a liar 3x and the person would not present one example and then when you told the truth and can present evidence they are lying then you get red trust??  You are not allowed to be heated? but they are allowed to speak in a nasty tone to you first and out of blue screaming you are a liar and refusing to present any evidence.

Tman is nothing he is a symptom of a system that needs fixing nothing more. My red trust is nothing more than a symptom. You need to get to the root cause here.

I have no real issue using my case as an example of abuse because it is an extreme example and it serves nicely to highlight how broken the systems are and how week the constraints are for holding it to purpose.

@nutildah

I am hostile to proven scumbags and untrustworthy dirt + their overt supporters and ass lickers.
That makes me highly credible.


@quickseller...

Let me immediately draw your focus to the main points.

I don't suspect your garden variety sig spammers turn up to meta. I am not sure why you are suggesting this is my concern.

Let me try it this way.

If you have a lot of people with a shared and primary goal of ...let's say creating a forum that provides the optimal environment to grow and develop an end to end decentralised trustless arena. They all start discussing how to create this optimal environment (of course free speech is going to be a useful thing to have). Now you drop into the mix a greater number of persons  who's prime goal is their self enrichment, who don't really give too much of shit about the optimal environment to grow and develop an end to end decentralised trustless arena.

They care about creating an environment where they can make the most money and will be presenting suggestions, opinions and ideas to push their self enriching "POLICIES" that are implemented on that board. They are therefore diluting the collisions between the real enthusiasts and as their numbers and influence grows they then start to drown out the ideas of those real enthusiasts making their ideas seem dominant and therefore a great idea.

How many times do i hear this weight of numbers argument here... A lot.

Imagine there was a way to reduce the toxic self serving input by reducing their incentive to give "their" opinions and clutter threads and disrupt the discussions of real enthusiasts.

I mean if you are a real enthusiast you will still post in meta right? If you are a person just trying to spam and milk the board perhaps it will reduce your incentive to post here. You will need to post elsewhere to make your spam bucks and will increase the needed effort to spam elsewhere for bucks and post here to ensure your spam bucks roll in at optimal levels.

It is annoying that they can currently voice opinions to ensure top levels of assured spam bucks whilst getting those same spam bucks to fund their "suggestions and coaxing".

Spam for bucks  or voice opinions/ideas/suggestions that ensure you get to control ability to spam for bucks and your own top rates.

Not both at the same time. Get to the discussions board and battle it out with the other sig spammers until the real enthusiasts create sensible ways to control this unbridled greed.

I have more sympathy for real poor people trying to spam for a few bucks than i do those that are not needing it to feed their families but still want MORE money for contributing here. If these legends are still desperate to the level of needing to be paid to contribute they must be complete idiots. Why listen to idiots  or super greedy devious people.

If you still don't see any merit to my suggestion then tell me why not.

You know, without reading through your famous walls of text I'm inclined to think that's not a bad idea, and I wouldn't mind at all if that was the case.

However, I'm not sure you have much credibility left at this point, and your attitude is overtly hostile about everything, so good luck getting theymos to implement the change.

If you like.

Well... I may have performed certain... vixenly favours for theymos. And the entire moderation staff. And Lauda. You know how it is with vixens.

I am not sure I understand your argument/concerns.

As it stands now, it is permissible to wear a paid signature. Anyone who can participate in the forum can voice their concerns about forum policy and mod actions. To my knowledge, theymos generally will not give additional weight to a particular person because of their status (he may give additional weight to those who he has seen to be knowledgeable in a particular subject matter), and he will listen to arguments and will take action (or not) based on the merits of the argument.

As I previously mentioned, if you post a lot of low effort posts in meta, you will get noticed by moderators and are putting yourself at risk of a ban for signature spam if you also post low effort posts elsewhere in the forum.

@CH - It just seems like you’ve always got something to moan about. For the record no, I don’t think you’re a scammer at all.

Why don’t you have a civil PM convo with TMAN & see if he’s willing to alter his trust feedback on you to neutral.
It seems like your red trust is just because you got into heated arguments rather than doing anything untrustworthy.

It all seems annoying until you are an honest member fighting REAL scams for years that were promoted by the same liars, scumbags and their pals that get the powers to flag your account as a scammer because you simply would not tolerate more lies and bullshit accusations from them and simply said if they did not stop you will encourage others to review their past histories. Sorry it's annoying.

But then again what upsets you exactly about this thread? what is annoying about the OP. Point it out and we will discuss it.

However, the fact you are not being paid for posting here is  at least demonstrating you are an enthusiast for meta even if you are not such an enthusiast for truth, honesty and justice and wish people to shhhh up changing things that will prevent such future abuse.


Who said I did not like this forum? I love this forum and the free speech that has been afforded persons here for many years must not be crushed now by certain persons gaming and abusing the systems of control.

Another day, another Meta thread by cryptohunter. Seriously bro if you don’t like this forum there are others.

Lots of signature campaigns don’t include posts in Meta, mine doesn’t.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/open-bitcasinoio-signature-campaign-02-btcweek-4737831



Seriously, you could be a good poster if you just cut this shit out, I think the constant new threads & massive walls of text are starting to really annoy people.

Sig spammers don’t tend to post in Meta, Bitcoin Discussion is where the shit posters are & the Altcoin subsection.

This is all possibly true. But how many sigs are there of that type  compared to sigs for spamming anything to make the most money as possible

"Forum policy" -- EXACTLY

1. sig spammers specifically those spamming sigs that are not support of a legit and promising project that could benefit crypto  are doing so for selfish financial gain.
2. better to have posters that are posting because they are enthusiasts and have the interests of the board and the movement here rather than the self interest of pushing for actions that will enrich them.

Why would you wish for a board diluted by those observably only interested in self enrichment having influence over board policies? Perhaps far better to weed out those that are pushing for policies that will serve their own selfish self interest and listen to a more concentrated pool of those that are REAL enthusiasts for this movement -- whom are far more likely of course to push for policies that are beneficial for the board as a whole and create an environment where people are given fair and equal treatment and free speech is not crushed down.

There can be zero argument that free speech is vulnerable as things are and that is mainly due to policies that have empowerd control systems that slot in under admin and get to control PAID2POST and trading and also a persons reputation in general.

You want to speak out against anything here that DT's or merit sources OR their pals have done that seems incorrect, unfair or scammy?? Then you will certainly have to accept that you will be getting some red pain as soon as they can dream up an excuse. You can be sure you will not get merit for your merit worthy posts or the merit will be deleted. You will not be trading with people unless they are willing to risk trading with an account screaming this is a scammer. You will also either be prevented from PAID2POST entirely or will never rank up to be included in an "exclusive highly paid sig campaign"  so your free speech will come at high risk to your account or certain destruction of it.

Meta is the most liberally moderated sub because it is a place where forum policy and appeals to moderater actions can be appealed.

The administration doesn’t want potential concerns removed just because they cannot post a well thought out post, or cannot speak English well or otherwise cannot effectively communicate well.

I don’t think that even signatures will be removed from meta so the administration can see any signatures made in protest of a moderator action.

Posting crap in meta is a good way to get noticed (not in a good way) if you are a sig spammer because I am fairly confident that at least one admin will read every post in meta (or if not, then every thread) and every thread is likely to be read by multiple mods.

NO it is not correct you imbecile.

Please read the OP correctly again.

Are you completely stupid ? Yutucoin didnt even happen as far as I know. You think i chose that project to make money?

that was to support bruno (who I nominated for bct best personality and he won beating out even that weasel suchmoron) that is his project.

I think I wore it for many many months and it never even took place. Well as far as I know perhaps it did. I was not booted off, It would still be there now because I likely could not have been bothered to change it. I removed it to place the truth links that are there now.

So spread those lies elsewhere noob sig spamming trash. Probably a DT and Merit source if I dug into it.

This is what I mean. You just got some bozo to pay your spamming ass to proliferate MORE negative and incorrect garbage on this forum.

Remove your sig and post your crap for free. Even then you should be made to pay to even post this junk.

@ vile vixen - huge black woman is not a sig spammer you say?

all posts you merit are merit worthy you say?

would you like me to open a thread to examine these claims?

Also how come you have SO MUCH merit to throw to unmerit worthy political junk?

You should have seen meta, when merit was introduced. It was a mess back then....
Just a simple question. Why you didn't proposed that when you were wearing a signature, but now?
http://archive.fo/jdLEA
http://archive.fo/euD4x

I think you are just mad because of the red tag you got kicked out of YuTuCoIn campaign and seems like now you cannot wear signature anymore and raging against everyone else with signatures. Is this correct?

Back to your OP. It would be nice actually to have Meta sig. free, but It's up to theymos to decide.

Not true at all.  

Just visit Altcoin Discussion and have a look at the most sig intensive board.
Some examples:
Now is the time to buy
Now or never
Next holder are very fast to panic.

Signatures between one-line shitposts are much more noticeable than between well-thought and constructive posts in Meta. The problem is that nobody will read such shitposts on page 38, even most shitposters don't bother to read them considering the "content" of their posts.

The Pharmacist is not a spammer, and I don't have him on Ignore. Every single post of his that I have merited, I have read and found to be deserving of merit.

Feel free to finish that sentence at any time. I'll wait.

You mean I even beat suchmoon? Nice. In your face, snitch bitch!

Plenty of things look plausible that aren't true. But just for kicks, tell me whom you suspect of being my alts?

Thank you.

You know you can't get enough of me.

I said a debate. Bring it here chicken.

Shield your eyes from sig spam with the ignore button.... LOL so you just merit your sig spamming pals whilst not reading their posts. Actually that could explain A LOT.  I mean when I noticed you sent merit to like 10 pharmacist posts all on different threads with just a few seconds between each bunch of merit spew then if not time travel as you suggested but just going to their post histories, not even reading them and just hitting merit would explain it.

I say that not only am I not a spammer. I say you splatter the MOST politically motivated merit for absolute trash posts on this entire board. I will debate either of those 2 things with you. I say it looks plausible you have many alts or are just a crazy merit splashing fool and have no business being a merit source.

I will also debate the pros and cons of allowing the current sig spamming on meta board. The prior 2 in another thread. Or perhaps the spammer accusation briefly here because bringing important messages to that focus attention to critical issues here that if fixed will provide an observably fairer and more equal system for all and remove the jack boot from the throat of free speech can only be termed as spam by those that are fighting to keep the jack boot in place and game the systems for their high paid sig spamming pals or alts. That would indeed explain this fear of removing the sigs here.
Okay okay vile vixen it is.

I was hoping to keep this on topic or have the local rules force some credible claims to be made, but of course local rules don't mean anything except if the "gang" has local rules.

Hurry up fox pup I want to dispense with you and get back to on topic relevant posts.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/cryptohunter-92110

I don't, so you can stop wondering.

Now that's just childish. Let's go back to "vile vixen". I didn't like it at first, but it's starting to grow on me.

I just shield my eyes with the Ignore button.

I've no intention of playing pigeon chess with you.

"Well yeah, I am being paid by satoshi who told me I will get the keys to his stash of btc if i can get rid of the merit cycling scum that are trying to get a vice like centralised grip on the board and silence free speech on his once great forum. He said he would prefer bct is modelled on bitcoin and not some central banking cartel. Fox pup satoshi said is one of the worst, sneaking around topping up merit for political reasons at close to light speed"

Please review my local rules.

then present the spam and describe HOW it is spam or delete your post.

I have often wondered if  you have a bunch of alts you top up with merit every 5 seconds everywhere. I mean so many "backstabbers of foxpoop" on those charts. I loved it when even the pharmacist said ..." i don't know why he keeps giving me so much merit" where do you get all this fucking merit, you must be the primary merit source on this board and responsible for the most obviously politically given merit trash here by far. The others sometimes at least seek to hide the fact they are merit abusers you are flagrant about it. How do you get away with it foxy? Poor stingers kicked out and you there spewing merit to your pals for any piece of crap they fart out whilst spamming their sigs here.

Why so worried

You want to be blinded by sig spamming here in meta??

Bring your case not your unsubstantiated insults.

Oh wait you never dare get into a debate do you haha time travelling  MERIT SPAMMER

@jetcash

sig spamming of anything you do not believe in that you reason will help crypto is pure financially motivated greedy spamming to me. If your post does not contain new relevant and important information that you have researched and can provide the observable events and facts to substantiate your views or opinions then spamming your  sig under it is for one sole reason. " i wanna milk this board for money"

I would rather hear from true enthusiasts that are not all about sig spamming. I mean most of the noobs here (why are noobs joining a board and not on the discussion boards anyway?? nobody joins a board to talk about the mechanisms the board operates upon) hanging in meta powering up on feltched merits are already spamming their sigs and just hoping to make the text larger to add to the page of advertisements that are on every page of meta to the extend it looks like a banner farm.

Let's concentrate the views of enthusiasts and not have them diluted down by the self serving sig spamming crews coaxing with great ideas for the forum (that enable their sig spamming at highest rates and controlling others abilities to do so)

You love crypto hey?? well that's great you don't need paying to contribute then.

Better to ban sigs everywhere. However, if that is not possible then at least at the heart of the board where apparently real enthusiasts post because they want to "help"  improve the environment here and create a thriving community of people who want to see decentralised trustless systems get a real foothold.

I'm not too bothered about the Meta board itself, but I think the whole issue of signature spamming could do with a review in the future.

I disagree. It is an observable fact that a significant proportion of the spam in Meta comes from you, and you're not being paid2post. Or are you? It would explain a lot if you were.

Local rules - anyone can post .. but opinions must be accompanied by a observable events and facts that substantiate your claims or else do NOT post.


Given the fact that meta is a board where real enthusiasts (who apparently care enough about the board to post feedback and advise for theymos and cyrus to review) are supposed to congregate to propose and discuss ideas for the improvement of this board, then why don't we make it a sig spam free zone.

This board meta sadly is the most sig intensive on the entire forum (or perhaps it just seems like that because everyone is a "legend" and their banners are all just huge unlike other sub boards).

Also I notice STRONGLY that these are not banners of interesting projects that they believe in at all. This is all gambling and other just "highly paid" campaigns that demonstrate the wearers just want to spam as much btc dust as they can.

This tells me these people are financially driven posters and quite willing to spam anything for their own selfish financial gain. Given this, then any advise/voting or suggesting from these types are likely to be "me first" board later considerations and motives.

You want people that are REAL enthusiasts for bitcoin and who would like to see an end to end decentralised trustless arena build from here. Those that put the emphasis on creating a board or environment best suited for that to develop over time. Not short sighted get rich first then abandon like I have noticed many have done.

So then let us encourage REAL enthusiasts, those that will willingly participate here in META without the need to be paid2post and will push suggestions and ideas that are not for selfish gain first and board 2nd (if at all).

Let us make meta into a Sig Spam Free Zone?

Who agrees with this.

So what if you have less posters here and only the real enthusiasts remain. If I was running a board I would rather hear the less diluted and shouted down views of those I knew had the best interests of the board at heart. Rather that  than having to sift though the selfish suggestions of a bunch of sig spammers pushing their huge banners in your face.

The exceptions could be mods I guess.

I mean if people stop posting here in meta then sadly they were just financially motivated I guess and not in on this journey for the long haul.

If you do not agree then state the logic and reason employed to reach the opinion you have.