Topic: Why isn't this user banned yet? (Read 2761 times)

I can't say that I disagree that he is only posting crap to earn money and I don't disagree that this kind of person is a major problem for the forum, however I don't think he meets the criteria to get banned. To be entirely fair, I don't have a real interest in this thread either, but I posted in there (to call out that person's lies/scam attempts).

I think that any campaign that accepts him would not get my business because he reflects very poorly on any business that he is advertising. I think if more people were to take up this mindset then companies would be much more careful in how they select people to advertise for them.

I assume requests will be ignored if they're not spamming, but there's only so many mods and they may not spot everything unless they're informed by someone. It's obvious when someone is making mountains of worthless posts.

so one can just request to bann a user if he thinks s/he deserves to be?

well yes, i just dont interrupt anyone's opinion and place mine unless i agree with them , i am not a desperate for sure
my opinions worth some value and i point them out when i am asked (in general).
I agree with blaze.

Action has already been done against the member, less spam will be coming from him in the futureThis is a forum mate and everyone is "entitled" to free speech(most of the time) which includes opinions as well. And what you are posting is not a fact, its an opinion, opposing which I'm giving my opinion.
Edit: You haven't asked in your
post that no one should comment on your post, which even if there was something like that I would defend hilarious and notlist(now don't ask why).
P.S: You are making a big deal out of nothing.

No, this is not going to happen ,
Yes they frame their post in a nice way and maybe a indo.. fails to do it but the reason is exactly the same (sig's).

you are not discussing ,you are expressing your opinions where you have not been asked to.

According to your logic no-one should be discussing any statements made by anyone, only the questions. And well you were directly accusing someone of spamming and according to your logic I am not answering you at all, just making things clear to anyone who may be viewing your posts.
As for my post history thats completely off-topic, lame attempt at sidetracking the discussion, at any rate just because I started posting on an account with some potential activity doesn't mean its bought. But congratulations on your "detective" skills, something I too sometimes use while I want to make my point understood.
First clear out the most spammy ones then comes questioning respectable members of the forum.

i was not accusing anybody and neither i asked you anything about it ? did i ?
just see your post history ,you bought this account on september 28th and have posted close 900~ .(no accuse)
my point is why to accuse a non-english speaker while we have more spam from legendaries, i agree with BLAZE.

DannyHamilton's post is an ignore list of practically everyone that is in a signature campaign. This will include a lot of people who are good quality posters that shouldn't been ignored, and it will exclude a number of people who spam low quality posts (although significantly less).

I support the creation of such a separate thread for the spammers since that won't include many of the good posters who are on Danny's ignore list.

Ignore still works fine but it used to compile a list of users who ignored X user then give them a different shade of yellow based on how many ignores a person had but your right it was to resource consuming so they removed the color coding but the Ignore still works.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1194261

Would argue DannyHamilton's post actually serves the same purpose* , wouldn't make sense creating another thread solely for including such posters, but we could make a thread (either on Reputation or Meta) about signature farmers, for starters only yobit 20 posts per day ones. That along with(an updated version) of https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1206112.20 should give moderators hints about who to ban, alt account with sig ads, specifically yobit, with hisotry of spam posts, should be on the top of the list.
*You are free to say that I'm saying this because Danny hasn't included me in his list yet.
So anyone up for making that kind of thread? Cause I'm pretty bad with thread designing.
Edit:Not sure what you are talking about here, the colour-removal from the button or the button removal, cause the last time I saw(last second) Ignore button was still in that place. But I have 0 people on my ignore list, I guess I keep feeding trolls in that case.
Wouldn't work, for example people(trolls I like to call them) and their alts will be pretty bent on getting me on that list. Same goes for people like QS , BlazedOut or anyone on DT  who have given a bunch of negative feedback. Only something centralized, but slightly decentralized will be able to hold against the horde of alts, DT is the best working example(in most of the cases that is).

Support for it as well. I think the most obvious way to add users would be to have a public suggestion thread, where people could suggest for certain spammers to be added, and then others could tell you what they think about it and so on and so forth. A main thread would probably be the best way to do it.


You're making me regret not joining BCT earlier! TBH, that feature sounds like it would be seriously awesome. Was it removed because it was too resource-consuming? (I think I remember reading that.)

Well, it would be tricky you would need to check on the crap posters now and then to see if it was just the odd crap post.
That said Ignore is a button that's been around for a reason although it was more convenient when it was color coded since that was an easier way to tell.

Well, we would need to make sure only obvious spammers were added. Not sure the best method for adding users, but feel free to make suggestions.

You would probably be faced with a lot of hate (mainly by the people you add). But I would support creating the list.

What about some kind of public voting thing for the quality of users' posts? Not sure how that would work.

Exactly, have everyone keep posting the useless posters for all to see in one easy list.

Something like DannyHamilton's ignore list?

Maybe I should make a public shame list in meta for all of the useless spam posters. Add the shit posters to it and point campaign managers and staff at it.

Hey!!! Great work, guys.

I only now noticed this thread, and I have to say that I noticed melisande doing some pretty bad posts in the past. I'm glad to hear that he was finally put to justice.

Maybe the Yobit signature campaign next?

We got news.

Some are, but some are also not very selective. Whoever runs yobit and steadyturtle don't seem to care as much since those in those campaigns tend to spam, but they still get paid. I agree, there are some very good and meticulous campaign managers who are good at judging and paying constructive posts, but there are also campaign managers that aren't.

All people here nervous first moderators will ban anyone that abuse  and post nonsense content.Second who chooses to pay or not pay is the op of each  signature,as long as post construtive we cant do nothing against it and wont affect anyone.If you are at your signature complaining that other user that has unlimited posts avaible is posting heavily,let them ,the only person with power to act is the signature owner and the op who is leading it.And yes most of the signatures needs advertising soo paying to some members and get new investors is the way  well they need us,better then hire some ads company to send visits...

His posts are insubstantial because it's all bullshit - I'd bet that he'd disappear the day signature campaigns are banned (if they do get banned).
It's obviously that he is posting only to earn money... but that isn't the reason I called him out.  He continues to post meaningless crap with no interest on the actual topic of the OP. I would consider that insubstantial, or at least a bannable offence.

Some people use  ">>" to signify a quote when posting, and I really do not see how using bold is any different. I don't think he is trying to hide the fact that he is using bold to quote another post, while the person who was adding random strings of text in small font was clearly attempting to hide this.

Also I believe that his posts would still be at least 75 characters even if the bolded text was ignored, for example his post responding to sesbian was 83 characters.

The only posts that would not make the cut would be this one and possibly this one, and I am not even sure he was making those posts with the intent to deceive or game how much he is going to be paid out. 

As I mentioned previously, I think this is an example as to why using bots is not a good way to manage signature campaigns, and it is also probably not a good idea to use post length to measure if a post will be paid out or not (a one liner would count as being eligible for payment if posts under 75 characters are not paid).

I'm not sure how the Bit-X bot works, though if I am correct in thinking that it disregards the characters in a quote, he is still doing it to lengthen his post characters to meet the quota. Regardless, I will accept I may have jumped the gun on that example, however what about the other three examples I gave? Surely copying useless information from a website and adding a small message of his own to the end or 'quoting' the same text twice isn't acceptable?

It looks like he uses the bold feature to respond to specific parts of a post (as opposed to the quote feature). I would not consider that to be copy/pasting posts personally. For example if you look at this post he responded to SebasianJu's part of his post that he bolded.

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Here's a link to the post just in case you missed it, though you posted directly after

I have notifications that someone made a post after I started working on my post turned off for when I bid on auctions/when I am attempting to snipe on auctions.

Can't tell about amph but wouldn't accuse a Global moderator of spamming and as for notlist3d he just seems to be interested in posting mainly on Bitcoin discussion/Economics board which actually is what the campaign needs from participants.

While I cannot talk for notlist3d and I agree with Amph, hilariousandco does not spam. Do you really think he would be accepted into the Global Moderator group if he did?

there are some neutral people alive on the forum ,
hilar,amph,notlist are having thousands of posts its just that they frame their post in a nice way but it is just spam.

I posted several examples of him doing that, which I found within the first two to three pages of his recent posts, on the previous page. He doesn't do it for the entirety of his posts, but for a great deal copy-pasted text accounts for the majority of his post body. While it is not the entirety of the post, it is still not good at all and he should be punished for it. Here's a link to the post just in case you missed it, though you posted directly after.

I dont think thats the case with all campaign mangers.They do care about the quality of post I can say this from my own experience.My current campaign manger do not approve of all posts they are very selective when it comes to quality of post.Constuctive or quality post is subjective hence what campaign managers deem constructive,should be taken as constructive.Even staff can make mistakes in judging the quality of posts.
I think campaign managers should be requested to be more judicious in selecting quality post

That one would be a bit to obvious and would just get tag-flagged or at least I would report.
I guess unless it was in Off-Topic and not paid for posts then ... let them go bananas
Either way from new forum software we will have this issue at least till halving when the new forum which likely addresses this problem will have open beta.


He-he making it to Legend is an achievement in itself to prove your good most of the time more less and sometimes I also do spurts if Bitcoin seems to be doing something interesting, although I am not certain if their is ever ban forgiveness if your good for 1 or 2 years after the last ban.
Or if we keep a solid 3 striker.

His previous post history is not strong, so any campaign that is doing their due diligence will see this weak post history and not accept him in their campaign.

People who copy previous posts and information from websites (and adding gibberish to the end of posts) is cheating their signature campaigns because they are attempting to receive something they are not otherwise entitled to receive. AFAIK this person is not engaged in this kind of activity. What this person is doing is posting solely because he will receive payment from the post, and that is not stealing.

I think it is neg trust worthy, and even ban worthy. There have actually been people/bots on this forum that all their posts are just copy and paste from earlier in the thread or from elsewhere, word for word. I'm pretty sure that they got banned for doing that.

Oh. Must've missed that.

1/multiple neutral from DT should be enough for any campaign manager to consider not accepting him, that is although, if its not either secondstrade/bitmixer/yobit. Although after you pointed out some facts like:I think mods should consider banning him on the basis of copy-pasting posts.

Then what will stop him joining another campaign and doing exactly the same? People have been neg trusted for adding gibberish to the end of posts to meet quotas, and yet copying previous posts and information from websites isn't negative trust worthy?

It's been said by hilariousandco (and probably others) that it is being discussed there several times, QS is just saying information that he saw elsewhere on the forum. Not that amazing.

If you read between the lines, you can guess.

lol I don't think QS owns a staff account.

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However, I think the staff should take a important decision.

I guess we will have to leave that to the speculators.

I don't think they care. They only want their stuff advertised, so to them it doesn't really matter. They are definitely NOT the right people to be judging this. There are many campaigns where the posters are all low quality posters yet they still get paid for all of their posts.

How would you know what is going on in the staff section? Unless you have an alt that is staff  

He is not a scammer (AFAIK), so negative trust is defiantly not appropriate.

I do agree that he should be removed from the campaign because his posts reflect poorly on the company that he is advertising for.

This is probably a pretty strong argument to not use bots to run your campaign.

His technics are very smart. When i see first post of this thread and I check history of this guy i didn't seen any suspicious posts.. But when i read all thread I began to notice the tricks that he uses.

For me is difficult to say if this is spam.. Probably not. But if such person is useful for campaign, should decide its manager.

This is being discussed in the staff section and the mods are trying to figure out a way to deal with the signature campaigns. The general consensus is that the forum does not want signature campaigns to go away completely, however that is a possibility if the forum cannot get otherwise cleaned up. One option being considered is to allow signatures to be hidden on a per-user basis and if enough of a similar signature were to get hidden then all similar signatures would get hidden by default.

I would say that for the most part the worst signature spammers have been taken care of, and the overall browsing experience has improved from ~15 months ago, and even from ~5 months ago.

Yes, he is definitely not native. I was more talking about your point where you said that you 'would definitely not consider his posts understood to most people', though I appear to have misunderstood. How ironic.

Look on the majority of his posts on domain threads. He will be asking something along the lines of 'what makes this valuable?'. You would probably have to go through his posts a lot, but I have definitely seen him do it on multiple occasions.

Sort of. He is a human that can type vaguely related information to a thread, but also copy-pastes a good portion of the body of some of his posts from either previous posts or external websites.

Examples:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12767280 (Copied from a domain price estimator)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--1057355 (Copied from SebasianJu's post on the previous page)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12779522 (Copying text which he has already quoted once to boost his character count)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12776041 (Copied the first line of text in the topic for no reason, as the context of the post was obvious without)

I'm not going to go into any more detail with it. His copy-pasting could just be a result of not knowing when to quote, but doing both as he did in example 3 isn't acceptable.

Due to the sheer amount of participants in that campaign and the amount of posts created by some of the members of the signature campaign it would probably take weeks to count the amount of posts made over one period and check if they are all high quality.

It was a rhetoric question . However it is obvious he is posting only to earn money, this is clear.

Why are bots allowed period? If you're hired for a job as a manager shouldn't you do the job manually? Seems pretty lazy IMO for botting to be allowed

Eh, kind of. Repetitive would be the same thing over and over again. Spam encompasses both repetitiveness, uselessness, etc. His posts are definitely spam, though, basically on the level of a bot which copy and pastes phrases and matches them up, but it seems here that it's just a human typing vaguely related stuff at speed to earn money.

Repetitive = spam


or am I wrong?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12780658
Read some of his posts once again, he is clearly not a native english speaker.  Another point he doesn't ask the same question again and again, at least I didn't find so when going through his posts , maybe he just posts repetitive questions over a long range of posts so that they are not visible when going through his recent posts.
Edit: And as I have said before, he , most of the times posts understandable posts which may be considered constructive but solely for payment.
P.S: Marco is tightening his rein over the campaign, I expect some participants to be kicked in the next few pay periods.
Edit 2:https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/isnt-repeated-posts-considered-spamming-1218213 long discussion here, and personally, if its not exactly the same phrase/sentence/word I don't consider it spamming(except in cases of rewrited posts).

I've seen this user quite a lot. He mainly just hangs around the marketplace section and asks the same vague questions, sometimes even just copying the thread title into his post to meet the character quota. People have been neg trusted for adding gibberish to the ends of their posts, I would say that copying the thread title is just as bad.

If nothing else he should be removed from any campaign and neg trusted so he cannot join another one. I'm sure that he will stop posting really quickly should that be the case.

As a native English speaker, I can understand him perfectly. It's obvious that he knows what he is doing and has no intention to stop.

Sorry i post too many "....." i got it from chatting 24/7 whatsapp and other social apps.
I cant go on deleting that "....." in all my 89 posts.

But i PROMISE no to make it happen again.

If you think like i am making the post count characters more,AM SORRY my intention was never to do that.  

SORRY to anyone who feels my posts annoying filled up with "....."  

Indeed. Though I've made over 40 posts today, and I hope most people consider me to be a decently constructive poster...

Hope. It's a shame that there are people like these who make everyone who posts a lot and has a signature ad seem bad. Though I normally post in bursts.

As i know the bot counts the charathers only if the post reach to 75 or not the content of it those should be done from the op that leads the signature,at coinut our op always check and count all post manual,and those out of content are taken out by total.

The managers mostly use a bot to count posts and that is easily tricked. I think the bot only checks the post length to say good or bad.

People will always try to maximize their post and well its easy to make 50 posts daily just need some dedication and found some active topics,last week someone had around 6 accounts doing similiar posts like i like bananas,bananas i like ,banana are delicious,these kind the op that runs the signature should alwayss confirm and check the post otherwise just receive and pay others as escrow will lead into a spam bomb.

True , the best answer to these type of threads. And most people who do complain about these things, even monbux are doing so with a signature themselves. If you have any problem about these posts , report them with a valid comment and it should be fine or report them to the campaign manager, monbux being a reputable member should make the campaign managers take this seriously.

Definitely...

Anyway This topic will lead to endless discussion and this guy won't be banned from btctalk..
All what you need to do OP is to quote some of his spammy posts and send it to the admin of the compagn or report every spam to the mods here...

lock this topic if you get a response from a mod or the admin of bit-x

Posting only to be paid is allowed here so nothing will be done. Amph writes useless nonsense like that and has never been banned for it (he even publicly stated he only posts for the pay). Just give up on making these threads as the forum allows this activity. I think the only ones who get banned are the really obvious 1-5 word posters.

48 posts in 1 day, I bet that guy will not reach that number if his post's are not paid. This is what you get when one of your rules is "No minimum posts, no maximum posts, no worries! Do not spam.", He definitely missed the last 3 words

I wouldn't consider someone who posts at least one "......" in his posts just to make it closer to 75 character count, a reliable source of information : https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/starofbtc-554913 .*
Another thing, Bit-x is a huge campaign and probably the one spending a lot on promotion , hence it uses a bot and there are always ways of  getting over a bot's limits as bots can't calculate a post's quality.
@monbux, although I wouldn't consider melisande a reliable source of information at least he isn't repetitive and/or spamming. But as QS has mentioned , I would definitely not consider his posts understood to most people. It seems his primary language isn't english.  
*You also are alt of psonowal who are just farming your sig.

Yes of course, but also an admin or global mod is a 'staff member'. I think the signature campaign should be 'managed' in some way, otherwise the forum will become really bad (due this type of users).

Signature campaigners themselves check the quality of post before paying to members using their respective signature.I think they are the right people to decide because they are paying for posting after all.Other users can simply put them on ignor list if they find their posts useless or repetitve

So finally someone else noticed that guy. Oh well. I had yo report that account a while a go but then I didn't because I though somehow it's a bit constructive. But now looking af his posts, I see the guy is making a lot of nonsense around. I vote for the guy to be banned and be out of the campaign he is in right now.

I am saying that based on the current forum rules he probably will not be banned. It is not a requirement to be a staff member to known and be able to interpret the forum rules as they are all public as is the vast majority of the decisions and clarifications regarding the rules. Also staff members are not able to ban people, only global moderators and admins can, however for something like this it would be most likely that only admins should be banning this person (if applicable) because what he is doing most likely does not warrant a permanent ban, and only admins can hand out temp bans

So he can't be banned (based on your opinion). The problem is that you are not a staff member so you can't decide, however I have reported a post wrote by him.

Yup, and I would not want any of them (at least not the majority of them) to be in a campaign that I am running. The person in the OP isn't making nonsense posts, but it is evident that he is not really interested in the threads he is posting in.

A lot of users are posting here only to earn money from the various signature campaign.

Have you reported the 'most spammy' post of melisande through the report to moderator button?

eh, I am not sure if this person should be banned as I would not quite consider his posts to be insubstantial. However I certainly agree that he is only posting to earn money from his signature campaign which reflects poorly on both the company he is representing (via his signature), and on the campaign manger itself.

I would not want him in a campaign that I was running personally.

Campaigns have good rules, but it's managing them that seams to be the problem with some of them. imho, large campaigns should hire some extra help
to prune the bad posters from the good ones, especially before making payouts to participants.

I've just posted on the bit-x signature thread and PM'd marco. I usually just ignore these extreme-spammers but this one is posting on every thread I see... Very annoying.

hmmm... seriously dont know why users post off topic posts so often.....


I think its time to make some changes in signature rules.... Dont you think?? 

PM marcotheminer about him, i'm sure he will look into it. I usually just use report to mod and describe whats the issue about, but many times
it goes with them having different opinion than me :/

melisande
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/melisande-365124

Please, just look over his/her post history.  I see his posts everywhere.  Some don't make sense at all while others are obviously posted just to boost the post count.  A lot of the times, he/she asks useless questions that have already been answered with no interest in the actual product/service being offered.

So... will this user be banned, or at least receive a warning?

P.S. I know I have am wearing a signature as well but mine is a fixed-payment signature.