Why NATO protect ukraine ? If ukraine did not join with NATO

BADecker

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^^^ Actually, it works the other way.

Consider every sport in the whole world. The sport players practice and exercise, and build up muscles and technique. Same with Russia. Russia's fight with Ukraine is her exercise that is preparing her for a real war... possibly one with the US.

Notice that the Nato countries are sending armament to Ukraine... including the F-16s. All that this is, is exercise for Russia. She will figure out effective ways to resist, same as a weight lifter builds his muscle up lifting weights.

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This is not a war between Ukraine and Russia but a war between America and Russia, Ukraine is just a pawn on the chessboard, a pawn that America has chosen to wage war with Russia. The more Russia is immersed in war, the more exhausted Russia will be and the more difficult it will be to restore the economy, that will bring many benefits to the US in many fields from military to economic...So I think this war will not end soon and Ukrainians will continue to suffer the suffering that war brings.

Not only this war but all the other wars going on in the world have a purpose behind it, and that is the cruelty of politics. Politicians will not care about people's lives, what they care about is their power.

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Quote from: BADecker on July 24, 2024, 10:56:43 AM

Note that the US and Nato want to break Russia up and steal her wealth. Ukraine is simply a method for doing this. This is why Nato is helping Ukraine.

Do you think that the US and Nato will have success against Russia? If they get Russia, they get Siberia and all its natural resource wealth.

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Thought, it is important to point out Russia is the one who started the war against Ukraine, they started the aggression. Though, I can understand Russia was getting uncomfortable with all the NATO expansion going on in the Europe, but that is not an excuse for a country to invade another one in a ilegal manner and without have a clear causus belli. The cynical way Russia does not even call it a war but rather an estrategical operation is the cherry on the top of his authoritarian order of expansion to the west, in my opinion.

Besides, it does not necessarily has anything to do with natural resources, the United States have neighbors which have plenty of those natural resources which are useful, USA have Canada and Saudi Arabia as commercial partner to get oil, for example.
Does USA actually need to get their hands on Siberia?

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NATO = The United States

United States wants to be the monitor of all affairs in the world… trying to show that they are a superpower. That why they try to involve themselves in affairs between different Countries. Be it a war deep in Central Africa or some remote areas in South America, the United States will try to influence the war, either directly or indirectly through sanctions.

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Russia broke international law by invading a sovereign nation. You cant just march into another country like that no matter what excuses you make. As for NATO helping out Ukraine, I get why some folks dont like it but Ukraine has every right to defend itself too and it aint even in NATO, but so what? Does that mean Russia can just take over whenever it wants?

I heard some people say Ukraine was asking for it or blaming them for the invasion somehow. Thats bogus, man. Last I checked, Ukraine wasnt the one amassing tanks on the border getting ready to attack. This whole crisis starts and ends with Russias power grab. Ukraine is just stuck dealing with the fallout.

Could Ukraine have handled some stuff better in the past? Maybe but focusing too much on that misses the point. The point is they dont deserve to get steamrolled by a hostile foreign power. I dunno about you, but I call that an unjustified invasion no matter how you spin it.

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If you read history properly, NATO is an anti-Soviet alliance made to counter the Soviet influence. The main objective of NATO was to destroy Soviet Union and its allies which they were able to and Russia as its continuation is their next prime objective. The war between Russia and Ukraine looks to be happening now but it was being planned way ahead of the 2013 coup in Ukraine. The Ukraine war is continuation of the Cold war but Russia is a direct participant this time.

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For the same reason we would protect Mexico if China or Russia invaded that country: Ukraine is critical to the national security of the United States.

Allowing Russia to murder the people of Ukraine and take over the land there would be devastating to the US and would lead directly to a wider conflict. Ukraine's fall would be followed by Russia massing their troops at the border of Poland, who is a NATO member, and a country we are treaty-bound to help defend, with nuclear weapons if necessary.

Defending Ukraine means preventing nuclear war. It's as simple as that.

And meanwhile, the relative cost of defending Ukraine is absolutely tiny. It amounts to less than 10% of our military spending--and it's leading to the military devastation of our most dangerous enemy. From a military point of view, it's the bargain of the century. The US would be idiotic not to defend Ukraine.

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Quote from: Mansory22022 on July 24, 2024, 06:57:14 AM

The question why NATO help so much ukraine If ukraina not joined with NATO.

They do help, but do they protect Ukraine? Of course not.
If NATO protected Ukraine they'd simply shut down air operations. They'd declare that airspace belongs to NATO forces now and they'll target any flying object, including missiles, drones and all that.

How should Neighbors of Ukraine react to it being attacked by a much larger and more powerful country? Should they stand by and watch it unfold and then possibly face a similar attack in a few years?
All countries have allies and they choose sides and most of Europe is on Ukraine's side in this conflict.

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We live on the world where every countries have rules and regulations by world ageeements what can Do what can not.
Military actions against other countries is allowed per say.
In this case russia don't do nothing against rules?

This is questionable because Russia did not officially declare war until March 2024. Russians started to murder Ukrainian border guards and civilians just like that without any official statements.
Russia attacked humanitarian aid, bombed hospitals and train stations where people were using to evacuate. If Russia really wanted to defeat Ukraine, why did it focus on residential areas so early in the conflict? Why did Russian soldiers shoot at civilian cars and murder prisoners? Are you sure that no rules were being broken?

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Note that the US and Nato want to break Russia up and steal her wealth. Ukraine is simply a method for doing this. This is why Nato is helping Ukraine.

Do you think that the US and Nato will have success against Russia? If they get Russia, they get Siberia and all its natural resource wealth.

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Quote from: Mansory22022 on July 24, 2024, 06:57:14 AM

Im sure all this don't make sense for many people it's confusing

First of, your writing is confusing . Tried to understand what you were trying to pass across and this is the little I was able to deduce;

- Ukraine are a key regional strategic partner that has taken great pains to strengthen and modernize it's military hold and operability with NATO.
You should realize that NATO are a defensive organization that defends it's members but since Ukraine aren't really one , the least they can do is support from a distance. That's not something I'd call helping so much because as it is the soldiers in Ukraine are well equipped to handle the war and aren't really needing the support of NATO. Although they tried applying in September 30 of 2022, the application would have to wait till the war is over before they can be accepted.

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The question why NATO help so much ukraine If ukraina not joined with NATO.
We live on the world where every countries have rules and regulations by world ageeements what can Do what can not.
Military actions against other countries is allowed per say.
In this case russia don't do nothing against rules?
Second question ukraine did not contribute into nato before but now they asking protection and help how right is that ?
It's like you not paying your insurance monthly fee but when something happens you want funds from insurance.
Also ukraine is rich of resoucres it should be richest country in Europe but it doesn't look like it is even with so much resources some countries who Dont have Even so much resoucres like ukraine but still people live better.

Im sure all this don't make sense for many people it's confusing

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