Topic: Why newbie may find it difficult to rank up in this forum (Read 273 times)

I stressed this on my previous post, disclaiming the motives of 'em pegans to NOT really being Epistemophilic - but, likely pegans(wolves)as I call them, tailored in sheep skins - just trolling the whole place to see if they could get 'em few weekly bucks...yeahh?? Cus whoever introduced them might have also given them a tip to what they should focus on - NOT THE FORUM'S INTEREST whatsoever,...but Thiers totally. I guess they'd also believe that anything could be done to rank up, which is this gruesomeness we experience today; spamming, blabbing pointlessly, revisiting topics on different threads unnecessarily etc... I sure hope these practices ain't evolving anytime soon ... cause, WTF??!
you've got a good reputation already; save yourself the stress

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Being here for bounties is never wrong and I believe a lot of us here are certainly doing that. But the problem is when we are busy joining bounties that we end up ignoring about consistent learning in the forum. By learning I mean that we should still be equipped with knowledge and even skills at a constant basis, so we need not to stop researching and studying because that’s the only we can then make some quality posts and make them valuable for other’s learnings as well.

You made some good points about why Newbie does not rank up on the forum and
You explained it nicely but I would like to add some points of mine for better understatement. The newbie needs to be helpful to others and share information that helps the others but also helps them to rank up. They need to be patient because success does not immediately come, newbies are discouraged and they leave the forum. They also need to be active and follow the rules of the forum. The more you actively post and follow the rules the more chances you to have rank up. the newbie has not to be posted in every thread but to be relevant, that match your interest and expertise. If the newbie focuses on the points you share and as well as I mentioned they definitely grow their rank.
 

yes its me  i come here for money lol because my friend makes a lot of money from here, this is the reason I came here, but it seems like there is something he is still hiding from me from this frum. he said join bitcointalk and make money, later when your account is big, people will need you for their jobs.

It's nobody's fault that a user can remain a newbie for about eight months to one year after creating their account; if such happens, then the reason is quite clear: either the person is not learning anything at all but rather just in for bounty and contest participation. There is no way someone can be so active on the forum and contribute positively that they would not rank up, even if not so fast. As an active user, you should be able to earn 10 in a month, and even at that point, you can still get help from some merit-based source.

All the points you highlighted in your post are all valid and could be the reason for non ranking up of low ranked members especially newbies in the forum. I think we have about millions of newbies account in the forum, more than 50% of the total forum members that are still newbies and haven’t ranked up to the next rank yet.

Everyone joins this forum for a reason and if the reasons they are joining the forum is being meant, every other thing won’t matter to them again. As you said that some come for bounties, if that’s their major reason you can’t persuade them to rank up their accounts to get better offer in signature campaigns. They might have valuable informations that could help forum members but if they are here for other reasons that is where their focus will be which I don’t blame them for.

The main thing is to keep the forum clean out of spam, scams and anything illegal. Making sure the rules and regulations guiding the forum are being followed by every member. If that is achievable, the forum will be a better place for all of us.

Bounty is not a bad thing, everyone came to this forum for different purposes. Some came to;
Learn,
Do business,
Render services,
Solve technical problems,
Signature campaigns,
Bounty.
Anyone that came for bounty should continue with bounty because it is also part of this forum.

It is not everyone that learns good. They might be willing to learn but unable to. But in order to earn you need to learn.

Same as above. When you read many things you learn.

The forum does not have hard rules. Any honest person and a moderated person can be in this forum for years without knowing the rules and still be successful.

People's goals on these forums vary, depending on how they found out about these forums. If they only know this forum to make money from bounties, they will focus on bounties without wanting to know more about the forum, so it's no wonder if we look at the average bounty players, they are average beginners.

However, if they first get to know this forum as a place to seek knowledge, information and insight that can ultimately make money, I think they will care about the quality of the posts because all beginners really want to increase their account ranking. Indeed, people's ability levels vary, so this affects a person's ranking speed. The most important thing is to maintain the quality of your posts, you have to be confident and keep reading then the goals you want to achieve will be achieved. It may seem difficult, but if you do it wholeheartedly it will look easy.

Maybe their motivation is not to rank up, they prefer to become Bounty Hunters who pursue the small amount of payment offered there. I'm not surprised why they have difficulty climbing the rankings, because their goal in joining the forum is not to gain knowledge or learn to adapt to senior members who are involved in several important discussions. Their daily life is more preoccupied with working on several Bounty reports and proof of authentication in several bounties, their motivation is just to get money, not to focus on rank up, that's why it's hard to get merit that can bring them closer to a new rank.

Nowadays there are so many newbies can rank up easily than few years ago, where the number of merit sources increased, merit distribution tend to increase due to no merit expiration, decaying or de-merit, there are few merit sources volunteering reviews people who send application to them etc.

If current newbie find it difficult to rank up, you aka @OP will not able to earn 57 merits, right?

I have never had any business to do with the bounty section so to say but I think any member who's only interested in making money as the main reason for registering in the forum will find it difficult to grow because such person will find it difficult to stay when the money isn't coming unless the person is rendering some services as a newbie which is not possible because people here will need to trust you before entrusting their brand and money into your hands. I don't know what and how much money they make on the bounty hunting but I think even those in the signature campaigns started off with building their accounts which requires a lot of time, knowledge and energy so they deserve the pay as a reward for the services they render. I think every bounty member who's there is either not ready to learn but to earn in an easy way.

I believe a person’s reason for joining the forum will determine whether they do well or fail. Merits are easy to get when you’re a newbie, older members feel the need to support the account and they reward posts which are arguably average quality merits just to encourage newcomers. Not to mention the merit threads created to help users rank up.

As funny as this sounds, I know there are many of these accounts in the forum and you can find them posting in altcoin discussion. One of the reason for this is that most of these bounty accounts are operated by one person or are a group. They have zero interest in the community and the forum, money is their only motivation for being here.

I think this depends on the seriousness and purpose of the account creation.  Some people create an account in Bitcointalk to shill something, create a scam accusation, interact with the forum and to earn money.  I believe those who create an account with the purpose of earning money are the one who strive for rank-up since there is more reward in ranking up, while other reasons do not need an account to rank up since it serves its purpose already even though it stays in newbie accounts.

The reason these newbies (except those who joined for social media bounty) are not ranking up is that they are not aiming to gain higher ranks because if they do, they could have chased merit the moment they created the account.

I definitely agree with you there and I know that their post history are full of reports that's why I said that the ones who wants to rank up are the ones who want to join signature campaigns and the others who doesn't care are the ones you mentioned where they didn't care about it because they only use their account for weekly reports which means they didn't join the signature campaign but another campaign that requires followers or subscribers or different requirements like making an article about the campaign that they have joined.

By the activity displayed on their profile, you will know those accounts, the ones that want to build there accounts and the ones that are here to make some cents, most of the time they are usually full of links and proof of Authy, nothing more you will see under these accounts, no discussion and even if they do, they are more of spammed text or plagiarized contents than passing a important message other people in the forum.


Sometimes, it's the message they hear from outside and what they processed is what they show in the forum, bounty is what some of them hear or discussed by their friends and when they joined the forum, that is their next step to follow, they follow every bounty the manager post without thinking twice, they don't care if the project is real, scam or fake or maybe they will even pay them at the end of the work.

Everything revolved about the message they get, that is why they don't bother to read, some don't even know anything about signature even when the forum signature are not guranteed as well, its only a way to earned few buck for your contribution to the forum and also wearing their code on your profile I think.

One thing I realized that becomes a problem for a newbie in the forum is that some are not willing to learn as OP has started and also some of the newbies don't have something to offer Plus the fact that some are not being patient enough and to try to improve which even leads most of them quilting or abandoning their accounts.

The average newbie really wants to rank up, while some others don't care at all about this system. Especially bounty hunters who only use their accounts to post social media report links, these are some examples of people who don't care about the system.

Accounts that really care about improving their knowledge and skills will easily get ranked. People will get quality posts with achievements that will eventually help them move up in the rankings. Some say it's difficult, while others don't seem to complain. I admit, everyone has different levels of difficulty in maintaining the quality of their posts, which will affect the speed of rank up.

Well you have point but I will point out this, it is difficult to get merited this days because what they would have had to offer has been offered many years back and most time when such topic comes up, they are warned not to spam or directed to such post from years back. Many times, most newbie has been directed to use the search bar to find answers to some issues or to find out about a topic to avoid repetition. Some of the newbie now find it impossible to contribute.

Apart from this, many newbie are merit thirsty and as a result end up with annoying post or reply. Well, my candid advice is that , newbie should take life easy and be more committed as their new discoveries and new topics to discuss that can be of help to the forum members.

These are the two main points why some members never rank up in the forum. It's true that it is not easy to make forum-standard posts at the beginning of a member's journey. But consistency and patience to do a lot of reading increase their post standard over time. Many of them came here with a mindset to earn money by doing campaigns when very few try to learn from their mistakes and follow higher-ranking members. 

In the world we are today, people are looking for a bigger opportunity that will make them famous in society. Even on the forum (bitcointalk.org) there are people who are in every discussion, even places where they are not supposed to make comments. They are making comments just because they want to be known in the forum. Let me use myself as an example. While I was still a newbie and a member before I made any comments on any thread, I took my time to check if any of my rank members had already made a comment. Sometimes I ended up leaving the thread without even making a comment. Why did I do what I was doing? Just because I want to learn from those who are above me, and I was still learning new things even till now am still a learner, the forum can be so easy for you when you have already known your place in the forum, just do what is right and create your quality post and don't expect merit's because some post that you are expecting merits from sometimes not get merited but those post that you are not expecting merits get merited.

Not all newbies wanted to rank up since others are only here to gain knowledge while some are here to join bounties. The more the rewards they want to earn from bounties the more bounties they will join and also the more they want to increase their rank since rewards depends on rank if it's about signature campaign but other than that is about followers or subscribers. The most likely reason why they join bounties is because they are introduced to Bitcointalk forum where they will earn money instead of gaining knowledge (the result is about how most of them just spam the forum and that's why Spam Mega Threads existed).

Newbies are still rising in the forum and it's good to always point out the positives and not just the negativities, the truth is that you would not rise of you don't do what is right, newbies should not put the pressure or have the desperation to rise at all cost, this things takes time, so I think if they do what's right then they can always rise.

But the primary purpose of this forum is to gain knowledge and that why it should be the first thing a newbie thinks about and not just rising to start earning

Since they were introduced to the forum with the idea that they could gain access to the BTT forum by participating in bounties as a newbie, I can't really blame them for thinking that way. They continue to operate under the mentality of concentrating just on bounties without learning and acquiring the essential information to advance their understanding of crypto and the forum.

What are saying? How do "advanced techniques and improvement of technology'' have to do with earning merits to rank up? Is there any connection to that or Is there any technology method that relates to ranking up in the forum that we don't know apart from making quality posts by yourself without the use of AI or making a plagiarizing post? Try and make your points clear for better understanding than confusing newbies with the so-called technology aspect.

We can not deny the fact that there are a  lot of newbies  want to earn a small amount of money by joining bounty campaign and also they don't mind about Ranking that's why we can see a thousands of post and activity but still newbies which means they are focusing on bounty
But also there are many newbies or even junior member or Member Ranks who are stockup on that position cause the reason of they didn't earn the requirements to procced to the next rank .which means they are struggling to boost thier Rank. But in the other hand there are still a lot of newbies who surpass here in forum which they will earn a lot of merits so that's they Rank up faster than other.

Many users become overly focused on seeking and participating in bounty campaigns, often neglecting the time needed to understand how the forum works. Most of them continuously do it for even years, just like what you mentioned.
There are some money in bounties, yes, but I think it could only be possible for good projects, which  I assume, may be considered lucky to experience success. If you (newbies) wish to gain higher probability of getting merits and ranking up, then provide contents that are generally or specifically helpful to the board of your interest. Try following users here and observe how they create their posts.

To rank up your account you have to collect merit but yes some people get a lot of merit. because they replace their advanced techniques and improve their technology so those topics are helpful then higher rank members give them merit of there topic. So I think all newbie accounts are respectable and should share all the talent they have inside then they can rank up their account very easily.

This is the effect if they are been taught that there's a money in this forum and then they are introduce on scam opportunities then abandoned once they cannot get anything from those people they redirect here. To hard when situation goes like this and only those hard working newbies survive. But there's nothing to worry about learning on newbies side since they could just post once they have questions and for sure they will be guided by answers posted by other forum users here.

You will hardly see a bounty hunter ranking up because most of them are not after giving the best required and quality post delivery to the forum community, once they register, they begin to chsse after bounties as opportunities while some of them are busy trolling round the forum with shitposts, also we can see that some of this bounty chasers are spammers and scammers, all they are after is to seize an opportunity for doing something terrible.


If someone should stay away from reading the forum's rules and regulations, that will not stop such user from ranking up, it will get the person out of the forum without notice because once you made any trespass against the forum rule attract a sanction of being banned.

The wrong perception of newbies about the forum is a big problem to their ranking up. Sometimes,the people that introduced them to the forum,didn't tell them that knowledge is very important to be able to grow in the forum but instead they tell them how they have benefited from the forum through bounty campaigns and signature campaigns,forgetting to encourage them to learn and improve themselves first before any other additional benefits. The knowledge here is even more important for newbies than rushing to join bounty campaigns for money. In anything that you are doing and you put money first, you wouldn't bring out the best in you.

The issue of Rank up in Forum is a little bit hard, now are days getting Merit in the forum is not all about performing task, but still if any wish to rank up it all depends on the person because everything in this life required hard work. What make them fear is the interval between the member and full member but still it not a problem. The OP write something about few of them do like to read and this can be considered the factors too.

I have been in the forum for a while now; and so far i have learnt couple of new stuffs to be very honest.
My candid opinion when it comes to ranking up in the forum is also simple. To rank up easily; you need to enjoy every time you spend in the forum; be open to learning and also be very expressive when it comes to sharing your own opinion. The more you learn, the better it gets for you in the forum.

Just keep it simple; and you will be amazed how much you can learn and contribute here.

From another POV, some newbies may not be concerned with ranking up or even earning merits. That is another reason why they are not ranking up. I do not think that every user who has joined this forum is focused on ranking up to be eligible to promote a project on the forum by wearing their signature and avatar, or in bounty projects. Some are just here to really learn for a short time, and since they know that they will not be on the forum for long for some reasons, they do not focus on merit earning or ranking up.

Abundant similar stories, topics like yours and opposite stories, topics such as "Why newbie may find it easily to rank up in this forum".

Seeing it is difficult or easy totally depends on each user with their unique skills and readiness to rank up or to stuck and complain disappointed.

Newbie's Guide to Getting Merit (Proven)

And is this really a problem? If someone comes to the forum just for the sake of bounty and is happy with it, then maybe he doesn't need any ranks?

If someone does not read and study what the forum can give, then what is the point of him being here at all? Well, such users do not have new ranks, so there's nothing wrong with that. But there are also those who visit the forum for years, read, but do not write anything much, and also don't grow in ranks. And that's okay too.

It is strange to consider ranks in themselves as some important goal. You can both get something valuable and interesting on the forum without any ranks, or get some ranks, but achieve less than someone who reads even without registering. It is not the ranks themselves that are valuable, but what you achieve. It seems so.

Setting up some wrong goals without researching for more deeper knowledge about how the forum works. They are just seeking for opportunity but lazy to have good improvements that's why they always fell short when important things comes up. Majority of newbies are in bounty section or sections where they think money is there that's why its hard for them to rank up since they are not contributing anything nor create good post that's why its hard for them to earn some merits then rank up.

I agree with you. I will tell you about myself. Likewise, I also saw a video on YouTube and accidentally stumbled upon this forum. I was so excited about seeing the bounty reports and also seeing the "beautiful" videos on YouTube that I was hoping to get some money there as well. But all the excitement disappeared when I realized that every day a bunch of fraudulent projects are created that deceive people in one way or another. I confess that for a long time, I did not understand all those who do not participate in the bounty, watching how they write something on the forum. When I came to the forum, I did not know about the increase in rank and signature companies.

When I sobered up from the Bounty Plague, the forum became interesting for me with its information.
Now, I think it's not scary that newcomers come here for money. It's scary that they are in such a hurry. People should first build on the idea of a forum. Ask yourself what forums are for. This doesn't sound like a money-making site. Sincere communication should prevail here. The Internet is wide, and everyone knows how to use it. There is no need to post here using AI tools to plagiarize anything or invent non-existent stories about your Bitcoin business.
Only real communication, real interest, and an honest existence give good results for newcomers and their reputation here.

It's their choice, if they only want to participate bounty, they're not required to have minimum rank to join.

I mean, those reasons aren't only happen in this forum. EVERYTHING must need time and dedication if you want to learn something, it's just a common sense. How is possible someone can send Bitcoin when they don't have any coin? obviously learn how to buy it.

There's no relation between rules and rank up, all you need is never do plagiarism.

Ranking up isn't a must, as long as you're good person and not scam or scam, you're good enough.

The main reason why newbies are here. They're in for the money, and not for the knowledge. They don't care about the information that these high-ranked members are sharing. They don't f*cking care about what the experts here are sharing. What they care only is the money that they can get thru joining bounty campaigns. Well, anybody can join into these bounty campaigns so... yeah I guess there's no solution to this one... or we don't need to solve this because it isn't a problem at first place.

Knowledge is power. A simple quote, but a very powerful thing. I guess there's no need for a further explanation to this one because a kid can understand this one.

TBH, I have a family who are I considered as "Bookworm" where they're spending many hours reading books, and they taught me that as well, but as I grow up, I find myself that I see myself getting bored if I want to learn thru reading only. What did I do? I did watch educational videos aside from reading as well. Now I don't read that much anymore, and I'm more into watching videos. I'm only reading posts here, but when it comes to information, or knowledge, I always go to Youtube. Of course I know which videos I will watch.

Ignorance really make people insane especially those people who got scammed because they didn't made their own research before investing. Ignorance is the reason why there are many investors who are getting scammed, and the scammers are taking advantage of the ignorance of these newbie investors.

I think that might be the cause of inactivity of such account or user and you still need at least 1 merit to get a junior member rank. Again, it might be because the account based only on the Alt coin bounty section of the forum and for such account they don't have any reason to rank their account up since there's no rank limits, before participating. Their only aim on Bitcoin talk is for bounty.

On the other hand, for someone who really wants to understand Bitcoin and plans on ranking up in the future, he or she has to be an active member and contribute where possible from their knowledge. As long as you follow all the rules of the forum, ranking up is possible.

That is it there, most of the members that take ranking up too serious are those that are actually in pursuit of getting into campaigns and these are people that easily get caught up breaking rules.

There are newbies that I would say were here just to get a certain information related to bitcoin and stuffs like that and once they do they just leave off or even come by to read on some things that is why you see accounts of a two year still at newbie rank. Don’t see them as lazy but as people that had different view coming here and. they got it.

As for hunters it is clearly clear what they are here for and as such I wouldn’t blame them either, as you are here for knowledge (which I doubt from your post history), they are here for bounties and luckily the forum provides space for everyone. The only thing is keep to the rules

Day by day, new members keep registering everyday. Only few of this member find it easy to rank up. Imagine an account opened for more than 2 year that still exist as a newbie. These are some of the reasons I observed why some of these people may find it difficult to rank up:

👉👉They are in the forum for bounty only
Bounty gives little money when compared to money made from signatures after been rank up. Even some high ranked members in the forum believe bounty is a waste of time as some pay little money or not even pay at all. Believing in bounty alone may not give you time to work on how to build your profile in the forum.

👉👉Not ready to learn
Learning is a process, the more you learn, the more you know. The more you  know, the more you can assist others. The more you assist others with your post, the more you rank up your profile.

👉👉To busy to read
Reading is very important in learning process. Most of this people find it difficult to read important post that could help them rank up. All they put their efforts on is bounty. Some don't even read the rules of the bounty they are joining, they just join as they see it. These group of people are seen to later ask questions which has already be post on bounty thread from bounty manager in the bounty telegram group. Reading good post will help you in the following ways:
     ✅Teach you new things
     ✅Broading your knowledge about what you already know
     ✅Teach you how to write good post
     ✅Familiarize you with the forum rules and regulations.
    
👉👉Staying away from the rules and regulations of the forum
Ignorance kills easily. Forum rules should be the first thing to read and get familiarize with by all newbies. These will enable them to stay long in the forum without violating the rules and regulations of the forum.

CONCLUSION
You can't teach what you don't know. One need to be a learner to become a master. So, learn first to teach others later.