Topic: Why Online Slots Are Not Provably fair? (Read 485 times)

Any long time gambler will know that despite the probably faireness in slots and other game's it still depends largely on luck because even if you have the chance to win and the fairness system is in favour of the house it will still end in loses, I think what we really need the harsh txd for is to verify whether or not the casino abuse our right as a player's in the sense that when the game already end with us winning but at the end the casino denied us that winning only then we will have to ask for the game harsh in other to verify the game.

But in most cases, casino's always make it as a right to hold on to such information and at most not all casino provides such info for their customers, since likely the case may not end in their favour.

But then majority's of the gambling sites that are familiar with us here don't really have the system of verification of games after it played to check it probably fairness.

Yes, it is common knowledge or a fact that gamblers will lose more than they win, and that is why it is always said that the casino will always be the superior party in the gambling scenario, the defeat you experience is not a form of fraud from the casino but rather that is how gambling is unpredictable, the casino has set up all the systems that will make them more profitable than the gamblers.

When you think that the defeat you experience is a fraud carried out by the casino, it means you are a loser, this is why we are always advised to know what we are really facing, never try to jump into the ocean if you don't know how to swim, gambling is for entertainment, everyone says and suggests that.

Yeah, and you just have to think about this, if you win big, then you will say that the games are fair. But if others lose, they think that it's been rigged or something. Although recently we have seen that a slot machine game was set to 0, meaning that there will not be anyone to win. And so those gamblers who played make a case and then they found out that it was indeed a big mistake by the operator.

Although this case is very rare and I do not think that operators and casinos did it intentionally. And we also know that this is a game of luck. So again, maybe there will be days that we are very lucky and win in our favorite slot games, and days that we are not.

Don't know where to find that easy way to earn on slot since chances to lose is more bigger. Its doesn't mean that if there are people winning huge from that the chance for us to hit the same is also high. Its because as stated that slot is always a luck base game. If they are strategic or competitive person then those suggestion you give is really good since with those games they can do good study on how to became more skilled gambler and hit bigger chance to win on skilled based game.

Many people questioned how fair those casinos are. But so far those reputable casino leave some good remarks that their casino is trustable and people could rely on the fairness they implemented. They will not reach that far if everything is questionable for them. But for other new casino for sure lots of questions will be ask and we don't know if we could able to trust them since it all matter on how they handle their community and transparency they provide to their gamblers.

Slot have always been a fair game for gamblers who never think about it. Like before when I still often played slot, I just always played and never thought about whether the slot game was proven to be fair, but all I thought about was wanting to keep playing and get a bigger multiplier.
But after playing slots for a long time and starting to think about "fair" I started to leave the slot game slowly. Although not sure how to calculate these things, I prefer to quit. And I'm not saying the slot game is unfair, but I know that the dealer always wins.

Yes, just a little addition, most losses in playing slots will occur in the field, but for some reason gamblers still persist in playing which they think that one day their betting money will return easily and multiply because many factors affect each slot gambler.
And it is true that in the slot, the bookies have set a strategy where gamblers will find it very difficult to win and I have heard from the experience of slot gamblers that most of those who win are new gamblers with the aim of creating more interest to keep playing.

No system will ever work to beat them, so let’s erase that idea from our minds. Slots are purely luck-based games-you can enjoy them and win if you’re lucky, but don’t treat them too seriously. Instead, shift your focus to skill-based games like poker, blackjack, and sports betting.

You can’t question the system-slots are never provably fair. In fact, I haven’t seen any that are. So if you come across a slot claiming to be provably fair, you should be suspicious because it’s not something you usually find.

Do not deceive yourself. All the casinos are operating in a way that gamblers will lose. Have you not been wondering why the casinos included it in their terms and conditions that gamblers should not gamble because they want to make money from gambling. All casinos should be scam to you if you say that majority are scam but I do not see reputed casinos as scam when I know they provide the game for entertainment and they let us know already that we are more likely to lose while gambling.

Slot gambling does depend entirely on luck in terms of winning, although there are people out there who believe that they have a strategy or pattern that can make them win, but that does not make them win for sure because only luck will determine the final result. It is true what you said, sometimes slot games can produce profitable wins but most of the time players will only experience defeat rather than victory, because the level of defeat that the player has tends to be greater than the level of winning. Discussing the wins or losses that occur in slot gambling in general is indeed unfair because more defeats occur, but we must see that this is a business that is developed in the form of a game and there are people behind this who build it with the aim of seeking profit, so it is not surprising that players experience defeat more often than victory. We only need to limit the gambling activities that we do so that nothing bad happens.

What's the point of doing this? Such proof is not accessible to every person for understanding. This is its main disadvantage. And by the way, in any case, everything comes from a random number generator. Is the generator really random? This is often far from the case. In general, playing online casinos, in particular slots, is more a matter of trust.
Although this is a subjective opinion. I don't insist on being right.

Making money from slot games is quite easy and also losing money is way easier, just like you said they payment system is tempting, with a little amount of money you can make a huge profit just by having a lucky spin but that's what you should expect from casino games they are very unpredictable. there are no strategies to this game, if you think you have a system that works you might just be preparing yourself for disappointments at the end of the day. Casinos games are programmed so endeavor to always gamble reasonably

The benefits of slot games are often developed by developers with a complex algorithm and many gamblers are surprisingly curious about it. Sometimes gamblers win but most of the time they lose. I think slot game is a complex equation and mostly depends on luck. I personally play slot games and win occasionally but I blame my luck as the losing rate is relatively high as well as my lack of experience and the complex equations involved can lead gamblers to lose.

If you talk about winning in gambling based on fairness, it will never work in your favor because systematic gambling is built on luck over experience. So rather than increasing my experience with slot games I tend to continue playing with my luck when I play them even though I tempt myself not to overplay and be realistic in controlling emotions.

Slots have many big providers and of course an experienced gambler who has gambling for long time understand what gambling is and how each game works in gambling will never say about fair or unfair slot games because basically slot games have random algorithm.
No one knows how slot game algorithm works, even casino owners can't really guess or know it because each provider has system that has been set up in such way as to make slot games more difficult to win unless the gambler gets lucky.
So far I also like slot games but have never had any thoughts about slot games that are not proven to be fair, all statements in this context I think are excessive because I think all games in gambling give us lower advantage and we can't go beyond the or beat the game system with random algorithms in the slot with guaranteed.

I believe because they already have its user base let's say pragmatic now already has 580+ games crypto ready and who doesn't know about their popular game like Gates of Olympus and Sweet Bonanza, because of that they focused to other thing while that you said BGaming is fair but they already born 2018 and have 100 ish game maybe they still want to build it user base.

Why Online Slots Are Not Provably fair? haha I dont know frenn gambling is just different

When our luck come, we will win, that is for sure. So rather than we search and try to verify the game which need time, it is better we try to enjoy the game. That will give us excitement playing slot game because that is also our reason to spend our time in gambling. We don't need to bother to verify the game especially if we play gambling in a reputable casino because they will not do anything suspicious or cheat their members because that can affect to their reputation. When we can enjoy our time in gambling, maybe that can attract our lucky to come and gives us the win so we don't have to think much about the games and just relax by spin the button.

It seems pretty normal for online slots not to be provably fair. We can still consider crypto casinos as traditional casinos since most of them are licensed and monitored by regulators.

The thing is, if we decide to play these types of games, we really need to trust the casino (make sure to choose reputable ones) and rely on third-party audits to do their job properly. As for the regulators, their main focus is just ensuring that the casino gets a license and that third-party audits are carried out. Unfortunately, gamblers don’t really have a way to verify the outcome of our bets because of how the system works. With games like dice, you can, but slots are a different story.

Betting on a type of slot game blindly will be very difficult to get a win and it's true as you said in the slot game we can't predict the course of the game and we can only enjoy the game but only luck will be able to win the bet but when playing this type of bet it is very important for us to be able to control our emotions so as not to place a large amount of bets if we don't want the game to end quickly but we can place the amount of bet according to the funds we have and still enjoy every round and it's true as you said those who have more luck and win their bets on slots will certainly think it is very fair because they have often won but when I myself play slots I experience more defeats even though there are some victories after the many defeats I have experienced.

Yes, and I think it is very unlikely that gamblers will be so careful about how the game works, and the point is when they lose, there are two things that will happen to the gambler, either admitting that they are unlucky or acting like a loser by behaving impulsively because they cannot accept the fact of losing.

Besides, I don't think you can measure what is meant by unfairness to the game, you won't know that, the casino will know whether the game you are playing is fair or not, because they are the ones who create and manage all the systems in the game, only luck can help you.

Is it interesting that websites or platforms provide a form of verification? Yes!
Is it really necessary for them to do this? No!

I'll tell you something... very few people really care about checking their bets. Most just want to play and never check whether they are actually playing fair or being robbed, or they don't know how to do it to the point of being sure that the bet is really correct. Even those people who do care about this will never check all the bets they have made because it would be very annoying and time-consuming.

On the other hand, do you believe that casinos really need to steal in order to make money? Understand that you are playing against the odds and not against the casino. It doesn't need to steal from you, it just needs to wait for you to keep playing, and the odds will take care of emptying your wallet if players don't know how to control their bankroll.

The player has little chance to check this and it remains to be hoped that the casino will conduct its business honestly towards the player, giving him a chance to win. So in this case, the main thing when choosing a casino should be its reputation.

Yes, a few weeks ago I also asked this kind of question in our local section because here in our country, most of the gambling games that playing of my fellow countrymen also come from 3rd party providers, and these 3rd party providers, don't provide the ability to check the and verify provably fair technology. The slot game inside of BCGaming does not use 3rd party providers like Pragmatic so for me, that's better if you want to verify the provably fair.

This is also the reason why I'm not a fan of playing in 3rd party providers because you can't verify the provably fair.
 

Because slots players have ridiculous standards.
They will play games that look flashy or have their favorite heroes but won't care at all if a game is rigged or not. The slots gambler is a different breed from the crypto gambler and many people came into crypto gambling just becsuse of slots now also so it's starting to change as well.
.back in the day provable fairness was everything, but the crazy way slots are marketed changed this.

Thats why we do really have those hash verification if ever you do have some doubts specially on dice/crash games or other luck related types of games but if we do speak about slots
then there's no way that you could be able to verify the fairness of those slot games on which those codes are internal and not something that could be shown in public for it to be verified.

We've seen some new threads recent ago that a certain site/platform and its provider had been fined for $19k just because of the slot game which the winning percentage or odds is 0.
On which it did really result that to those players who do make out such play or engagement didnt able to win up even a single and this what raises up the concern and petition on which
it do ends up that the code been set is really that not right.

People will really be able to distinguish it out but in overall the house would really be always have the advantage. They are the winners in the end of the line.
One of the reasons on why i dont really find myself that getting interested too much with slot games because of that very slim chance on winning up or being profitable.

When you play slots then you must be aware that the probability of losing will be much greater than the gain so why talk about justice in this case because after all this is gambling and we only expect luck in this case.

We as gamblers must be aware that such consequences and there will be no justice in any form when playing gambling because it is necessary to realize that gambling games are only as our satisfaction to test how lucky we are in the round that is done. Especially when talking about slots.

The choice is simple actually when you feel unfair then don't play and switch to another gambling game because for gambling not only slots are interesting but there are still many games that can be done that might be fair in your view.

Most gamblers intend that they want to make a profit from gambling. Excluding those who keep deceiving themselves that they are into gambling for fun. But anyone with the mindset of gambling to get rich or with the assurance that their financial level will be disappointed in the end. Gambling should be an activity we do sometimes not because we rely on it to give us the money that we would use for our daily expenses or to make wealth but because it will serve as an aid to what we need money for.

To be safer, we should be fully hopeful in gambling no matter how good we are and how long we take to analyze every game we choose before gambling. It is strictly based on luck which is why we should expect that the game might be lost or won. I still don't like slot games because i feel they are more manipulated compared to other games in the casino platform.

Casino games cannot willy-nilly decide how fair a game can or cannot be. There are rules and regulations in place that dictate the terms under which casinos must operate. But these terms can be different for different countries.

As I understand it, the casinos are always being checked for fairness.

Casinos that do not operate fairly are illegal casinos that are not regulated by regulators and do not receive any audits, so the illegal casinos can cheat players.

Meanwhile, casinos that are legal and get independent audits periodically provide RTP (Return to Player) in accordance with regulatory provisions so that players can get the opportunities they deserve.

Many illegal casinos do manipulate the RTP that they apply, so it will be more profitable for illegal casinos such as in slot games that are already programmed for bigger casino winnings.

The average RTP usage for Legal casinos that have been audited in accordance with regulations is above 95%,
such as Rollbit casinos, Roobet, stakes etc.

Rollbit:
- Sweet Bonanza with an RTP of 96.51%.
- Juicy Fruits also has an RTP of 96.51%.
- Fruit Party with an RTP of 96.47%.
- Roulette has an RTP of 95%,
- Lightning Roulette from Evolution Gaming has an RTP of 97.10%
https://blog.rollbit.com/house-edge-and-rtp-explained/

Roobet:
- Sweet Bonanza has an RTP of 96.6%)
- Razor Shark has an RTP of 96.7%
- Gates of Olympus has an RTP of 96.5%
Roobet also offers exclusive games and progressive jackpots that are popular with players.
https://www.completesports.com/reviews/roobet/best-slots/

Stakes:
- Big Bad Wolf has an RTP of 97.34%
- The Dog House Megaways has an RTP of 96.55%
- Gonzo's Quest Megaways has an RTP of 95.77%
https://www.completesports.com/reviews/roobet/best-slots/

I would love to see Pragmatic too offering such way of verifying things as they have gone completely crazy and out of their mind in their latest releases and also in their previous slots you can see that the RTP has drastically decreased for many players in many different casinos, of course they will not add such system as they will be flagged as completely rigged by the majority of gamblers, they don't tell you the hit frequency like No Limit City does and a few others which tells you exactly what to expect like how many wins can you expect out of ten spins for example and you can do your own calculations. You will not find such providers lacking transparency in a brutal way (I don't know what happened to them as they were the provider where you could hit the max win much more easily than any other provider) and things changed exactly after January 2024. I would definitely love to see that system implemented in all major slot providers.

In slots games, an invisible machine gambles with you. And I can say that you just bet blindly on Win Expectation because I don't see any way to predict here. It can only be tracked how many wins they give after losses most of the time. But even tracking it doesn't help much.  Because of this, it is completely up to luck to win in slots games. But it's a lot of fun to play as there are occasional big unbelievable wins here.  This is the specialty of slots game.  Those who can win here because of a good luck think slots game is fair.  But for those who don't have good luck and always lose I think it's not fair

I don’t think you can make the statement that online slots are or aren’t provably fair. There are so many different options that are no doubt all different in the way they determine winners and losers. Some are likely not operating fairly while others are proven to be fair to their players. Just do your research if you’re concerned about it.

Yes, that's, because inasmuch as other gamblers have gambled on the same slot games by these providers and won huge, it will be literally hard for them to believe these games aren't probably fairly, which is what gambling is all about, as you can either win big or lose big, depending on how lucky or unlucky you are, since the aspect of luck can never be always be eradicated from it, be it probably fair or not, which is why gambling is seen to be a lucrative industry due house-edge.

personal experience seeing friends in the environment who often play slot gambling. what I catch material, when repeated defeats to achieve a big win target can happen but do not know it will happen. the dealer system may have historical data on members who lose and win. which prepares the time when a lucky day will occur, but statistically the money back may only be 80%/90%

Playing gambling was never meant to make money in the first place. If you do tend to have that kind of perception or approach that you could be able to win up and make yourself rich
then you are really that bound on trying to wreck up your life because of gambling and this is something that you should realize in the first place. Online slots are not provably fair?
Of course they would really be always have the edge on which you would really be losing more the longer you do play and this is something thats normal. Somehow there would really be
those instances or situations on which a gambler could be able to hit up a jackpot or big amount and thats why on the moment that this thing happens then you should really know on when
to take profits and secure it out.

I don't know so much about this and I may be completely wrong. Therefore I stand to be corrected. First if one plays in a highly reputable casino they do not have to be worried about provably fair of the slot. Secondly to the best of my understanding random number generators" (RNGs) are one of the features of slot games that to an extent can be used to measure the fairness of a game. And reputable casinos always have the randomness displayed in the game window. Anyways what do I know, one can always reach out to their customer agent to ask about these things and get clarifications better than our responses here.

There is still a lot we don't know about how slot operations work, so it's hard to say whether it's fair or unfair, slot games are very easy to play, just a little touch and the image will spin, so it's only natural that slot games are popular with many people, we are looking for justice because we keep losing, right? 

Yes, the casino has an advantage over the gambler, but that does not mean that all their operations are conducted honestly, so some people and want the process of the game was more transparent. I quite understand such people although I myself I am not very interested in this as I try to play only in casinos with a good reputation. You could say that I take their word for it. The desires of such people are quite understandable, as they are used to full transparency in the cryptocurrency sphere, so they demand that casinos have the ability to provide evidence of fair play.

Yep, I think if all gamblers do aware what's house edge and it's impact, I'm expect most people will quit gambling immediately since it's really stupid to think gambling can be a source of income. Not many gamblers are playing for fun because they always regret and bad mood when they lose their bets.

Even the providers allow the gamblers to verify their bets, I'm not sure they will use that tools.

As a slot player who have started playing slot since years ago, this question came to my mind as well but I cant get the real answer till now.
IMO, the possible reason is because it can be because it is too complicated to have provably fair system in slot so the developer of the provider use simple RNG system.
By the way even if most slot providers provide provably fair system, I dont think most players will care about it because as what we can see ourselves that slot games are played by so many people even though there is no provably fair system.

Most of the players just think about playing the game without thinking about such complicated things - if they win, then it's their luck, and if they lose then it's their bad luck - that's usually the thinking of slot players. And moreover, aren't operators unfair from the start? I mean, they have a house edge, meaning no matter how you play, they will win. That's why I don't want to think too far to question the fairness or not of the casino I play because whatever casino it is, they have a house edge and they are the ones who always win compared to the gamblers.

In my opinion, slots only rely on courage and confidence, meaning that they are very sure that the slot game they choose will bring them luck even though they have dared to bet quite a lot of money there so that they are very busy and too focused on pursuing that luck even though behind the slot the dealer has made a trick where the slot game is not easily obtained by gamblers, maybe only a few will be lucky there.

I don't know where people came from saying that slots use tricks because in reality slot games only end with luck, not using tricks or anything, where players just scroll and scroll

slot games do not need strategy or tricks in my opinion it is true that slot games are just a matter of luck. The RTP of the game is not a guarantee that a big win will come. because the concept of a different algorithm slot, just waiting for the time given a big win will happen. but no one knows because they control the machine. there will be time lost and everything will come back

I guess people don't care and they still play the games regardless it can be verified or not, that's it.

I mean like, the gambling providers see there are a lot people gamble on their games, so why they need to bother and put extra work, right? if many gamblers start to avoid playing in games that can't be verified, they would do something in order to strengthen their transparency and get more gamblers.

Even if that is not true, your statement reveals a widespread belief in this idea. This further strengthens the need for a provably fair system.

Yeah! exactly I too wonder why slot providers are not seeing it as a opportunity to build reputation and transparency.

I was talking about the top 10 online slot providers. I'm not arguing that if you implement provably fair, the house will lose its edge. No, you will still lose, but at least there will be no doubt about manipulations.

And how did you arrive at this conclusion? How do you know their payouts are fairly randomized? Do you trust third party regulators more than your own judgment?

I am not complaining about any loses. My effort is to build more transparency in crypto gambling at the same time boosting confidence in players. And no one just 'thinks' they are NOT Provably Fair.  

RTP and house edge are essentially the same concept. They both refer to the mathematical advantage a casino has over a player in a game.

I am not think much about that because slot game is one of gambling games which is based on the luck. You don't have to think much about provably fair or not because that will make you can not accept when you lose your money. That will make you search for how to verify the game and you will not enjoy the game because you always think about provably fair.

Gamblers will think about how they can win the slot game and how they can withdraw their money. Maybe some gamblers will trying to verify the provably fair but they should remember that will need time before they can prove it.

Aren't these two sides of the same coin, though? I had always thought both concepts were equivalent, although expressed in a different wat. That is, if you're talking about a house edge of 2% is the same as a return to player of 98%.

Slots are not provably fair because they don't offer a House Edge, what they offer is an RTP better known as Return To Player, that way they ensure the house always wins, and that's what the slots provider really offers. An engine that will give profit even if the gambler is lucky as hell. With provably fair games the house can get in trouble or in debt if the gambler is a high roller and luck is on his side, that way the gambler can leave the casino in red numbers, but that will not happen on slots because when a player wins big then the slot will start filling the bag again before pay a big win again.

It's based on RTP (Return to Player), and yeah, there are ways to check if they are probably fair, but I guess there are players that really can't take it. That they are losing and blame everything except themselves.

I know the feeling mate of losing, but we should know that there is also this element of luck, that maybe that one spin will make your rich as you will hit the jackpot. Or you are unlucky that you lost and you think that the game are not provably fair.

Discussing slot gambling, in my opinion this one game is quite fair on the other hand, although players will only experience more defeats, but that is a natural thing because it has become a fixed rule that players only have a little chance of winning and vice versa for casino owners have a greater chance of winning, this is not the same but this has become a fair provision, because no one can be superior to the casino.
Now slot games that are widely played by the community must be one thing that is no longer foreign, some of those who gamble with the aim of making money will definitely think this game is unfair because they lose more money than they bet, but that will not change anything. Fair or unfair depends on each person's perception, the most important thing is not to overdo it.

if I remember correctly, some gambling houses offer "provably fair" slots (specific to the crypto gambling). There is not only BCgame...

In my country, each game is registered to a sort of monopoly that allows to verify the integrity of the game... I have never heard of fraud, in the end they would always win they don't need to cheat

That's a reasonable argument when it comes to the health of online slot operators. Technology that might prove unfair to most professional healers has certainly induced skepticism among players. Especially when they see it work properly in other types of games, like say world games, the ability for players to be able to verify results without being forced to blindly trust them will certainly help increase trust and credibility. It is interesting to see why such companies like Pragmatic and Microgaming haven't leveraged these opportunities. Because it can be the difference in a very competitive market. Maybe it's a matter of culture or the difficulty of integrating new technology with old systems. Calling for third-party audits and a fair system isn't something wrong to ask. It is a practical step that leads to greater healing. What are your opinions regarding how this transition would change the outlook of participants toward online platforms?


That is really a good remark on the type of slot games since they are also games of chance. Of course, these are all for fun. And the risks involved are part of the experience. Even though employees tend to watch over the game and can influence the outcome. Transparency, nevertheless still plays its part as far as the confidence of players is concerned. I thank you for your advice regarding the proper way to play the game and not so much gamble. This is because this is critical to maintaining a positive experience. Lastly, knowing that slots are at the same time fun and dangerous can help a person to increase his expectations.

Dude, you have to understand that slots are games and slots are gambling, what you expect can lead you to disappointment, that's for sure, you might not believe me if I say that slots are controlled by gambling operators, However you think the slot is fair it is fair, unfair is unfair.

Slot gambling is indeed a type of game that is often played throughout the world, because the payment system is quite tempting, but behind all that we have to understand that slot games are one of the games that often drain users' money, The operators who control slots are really professionals, they know which users are being given justice or which ones they are destroying, my advice is to play slots with medium capacity, don't place bets too high.

I do not think the majority of online slot providers are provably fair (please correct me if I am wrong). As per my research, only BGaming (among the top 10 slot providers) allows you to verify slot outcomes using provably fair technology. Most of them claim to have third-party verification, but there is no way for a player to verify. Why aren't major slot providers like Pragmatic, Hacksaw, Microgaming, etc. adopting this system? It would only boost their credibility and transparency.
I mean, there is a widespread belief that online slots are rigged, but no one says that about dice games because of provably fair technology, so why not do the same for slots? I am not saying third-party test labs are not doing their jobs; all I am saying is that there is no way for a player to verify (which could easily be done using provably fair technology), so why not have both? Or am I asking too much? . I mean, come on, we all had this feeling;