Why own stock if You can own the stocks of the Federal reserve

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Quote from: Copetech on May 31, 2021, 07:49:05 AM

Simple Translation of OP's Expressed Idea:

Printer Go BRRRR = Inflation = USD/BTC Deflationary Dividends

Ah thanks, so it's basically just inflation. But doesn't that mean USD becomes less valuable? Why would we then convert our cryptos into USD? I think the main concept behind inflation is to move out of fiat money into crypto currencies. The fed and USD seems like the lower in this.

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In theory you will benefit from inflation, but also any company stock - particularly those that have debt - will benefit from it. However, that is only the theory: the inflation is not there yet due to the real economy not really catching up (yes, it is accelerating, but COVID does have consequences), also bitcoin movements are so extreme that even with an irresponsible monetary policy it may go up and down regardless of the fiat currencies.

If you think long term and, to be honest, hodl, you have a good chance of money supply based appreciation.

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Quote from: buietaw on May 27, 2021, 03:26:20 PM

I have serious concerns that she can finance that much expenditure. I don't think he can handle it with extra taxes from big companies. He needs more realistic and applicable solutions. we'll wait and see Huh

I don't think what we will see anything soon enough because right now during covid the economic stability is done for and the government is just holding onto the last stages. They have to make their economy stronger, rather than printing excessive money which causes the existing value of the money to degrade slowly. It's just like demand and supply but on a much bigger level. I do think the government have to make their money stronger but at the end of the day everything is integrated.

Quote from: Mauser on May 31, 2021, 06:59:01 AM

Sorry but I didn't understand that. Everybody who owns bitcoins also own a part of the USA FED? How can that be true, I don't see any connection here. So every bitcoin holder is getting a USD dividend? Will you need the American passport for that? Honestly that sounds too good to be true.

No, I have honestly not heard of such things happening. You should do your own research before even thinking about all this. It's not as simple as earning Interest through holding them rather trying to obtain passport just try and get some wallet where they provide lending services to the holder, you will be able to make the same I believe.

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Quote from: Mauser on May 31, 2021, 06:59:01 AM

Sorry but I didn't understand that. Everybody who owns bitcoins also own a part of the USA FED? How can that be true, I don't see any connection here. So every bitcoin holder is getting a USD dividend? Will you need the American passport for that? Honestly that sounds too good to be true.

Simple Translation of OP's Expressed Idea:

Printer Go BRRRR = Inflation = USD/BTC Deflationary Dividends

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Sorry but I didn't understand that. Everybody who owns bitcoins also own a part of the USA FED? How can that be true, I don't see any connection here. So every bitcoin holder is getting a USD dividend? Will you need the American passport for that? Honestly that sounds too good to be true.

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Quote from: passwordnow on May 29, 2021, 01:22:13 AM

I don't understand where have you taken this logic but we as bitcoin holders, we're not a shareholder and we don't get paid with dividends coming from the production of money by the banks. Well, I think you're talking about the injected money of the USA during this pandemic and it could really be one of the reasons why the market has been up ever since it has happened. But don't get it wrong, we're not receiving any dividends instead, we're getting profit if the price of bitcoin goes up. You may say that it's the same but it's not.

I think OP is thinking of crypto staking because it kind of looks similar to stock market that gives you a certain dividends but the difference is that staking has a days where you are waiting before you can get your stakes.

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Quote from: just_Alice on May 29, 2021, 01:38:59 PM

Quote from: passwordnow on May 29, 2021, 01:22:13 AM

Quote from: cryptoboss2020 on May 27, 2021, 09:43:52 AM

So if You own Bitcoin You get payed dividens as a share holder of the Central banks production.

I don't understand where have you taken this logic but we as bitcoin holders, we're not a shareholder and we don't get paid with dividends coming from the production of money by the banks. Well, I think you're talking about the injected money of the USA during this pandemic and it could really be one of the reasons why the market has been up ever since it has happened. But don't get it wrong, we're not receiving any dividends instead, we're getting profit if the price of bitcoin goes up. You may say that it's the same but it's not.

I think the OP meant it as a metaphor, not direct dividents. With such a decision from Biden to increase a plan for federal government expenditures the price of Bitcoin will only be rising during 2022.

I don't think so, he's always making threads that cannot be understood by our intellect. Tongue

As for the increased proposed budget for recovery, that sure will be a lot of money again flowing to the crypto market. That's a $6-T budget proposal and what if $1T-$2T of it will come to the market? that's another all time high and will double the last all time high that's being made lately. Although there's no assurance that it will entirely go to the crypto market but at least, we have the idea that there will be a portion of it going again to the market just as the stimulus did.

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Quote from: Kong Hey Pakboy on May 28, 2021, 02:37:18 AM

If I am right what this Federal stocks that you are talking about is probably the government bonds which is a pretty good one to invest in since you can be sure that your investment will be safe because the government itself is insuring it.

No, the conclusion in the op is far dumber than this. He's trying to say that owning bitcoin pays you dividends when there's federal stimulus, which is 1) not technically accurate because bitcoin literally pays 0 dividends of any kind, and 2) he's confusing capital appreciation with dividends, which even if he's using the correct term still isn't correct since bitcoin is still far below it's ATH despite all the stimulus already pumped into the economy.

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Quote from: passwordnow on May 29, 2021, 01:22:13 AM

Quote from: cryptoboss2020 on May 27, 2021, 09:43:52 AM

So if You own Bitcoin You get payed dividens as a share holder of the Central banks production.

I don't understand where have you taken this logic but we as bitcoin holders, we're not a shareholder and we don't get paid with dividends coming from the production of money by the banks. Well, I think you're talking about the injected money of the USA during this pandemic and it could really be one of the reasons why the market has been up ever since it has happened. But don't get it wrong, we're not receiving any dividends instead, we're getting profit if the price of bitcoin goes up. You may say that it's the same but it's not.

I think the OP meant it as a metaphor, not direct dividents. With such a decision from Biden to increase a plan for federal government expenditures the price of Bitcoin will only be rising during 2022.

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Bitcoin has no top because fiat has no bottom

Nipped it out from the article, nice expression.

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Quote from: cryptoboss2020 on May 27, 2021, 09:43:52 AM

So if You own Bitcoin You get payed dividens as a share holder of the Central banks production.

I don't understand where have you taken this logic but we as bitcoin holders, we're not a shareholder and we don't get paid with dividends coming from the production of money by the banks. Well, I think you're talking about the injected money of the USA during this pandemic and it could really be one of the reasons why the market has been up ever since it has happened. But don't get it wrong, we're not receiving any dividends instead, we're getting profit if the price of bitcoin goes up. You may say that it's the same but it's not.

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Quote from: Kong Hey Pakboy on May 28, 2021, 02:37:18 AM

If I am right what this Federal stocks that you are talking about is probably the government bonds which is a pretty good one to invest in since you can be sure that your investment will be safe because the government itself is insuring it.

Nop its a crypto You make higher returns.

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Investing in stocks can bring double profits as investors receive dividends every year and increase the holding shares. The return is better than holding the shares of the Federal Reserve. Personally, I think what you are referring to is just a type of government bond.
I like to take risks and I can also make money faster through derivatives trading on the stock market.

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If I am right what this Federal stocks that you are talking about is probably the government bonds which is a pretty good one to invest in since you can be sure that your investment will be safe because the government itself is insuring it.

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If the goal is to support consumers having access to new inventions and technology which create jobs, create investment opportunities and elevate standard of living. Would central banks be the place people would expect to find these trends? There is a question of where progress for humanity comes from. Is it a fundamental trait of central banks or international banking cartels? Or is it a trend more commonly derived from individuals like Satoshi Nakamoto, working more independently of politics and agendas?

Conflict of interest could be one of the biggest obstacles to human progress. In finance, science and other fields. While most would agree progress is a great thing. It can be a double sided sword. Advancing technology gives us greater power and allows the size of the world's population to inflate. While our growing power can be used for good. It might also be used for evil. Its dual use technology. It is possible that peoples sense of responsibility and accountability should rise as progress is achieved. If societal gains are to scale in a way which decreases the likelihood of self destructiveness.

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Quote from: buietaw on May 27, 2021, 03:26:20 PM

I have serious concerns that she can finance that much expenditure. I don't think he can handle it with extra taxes from big companies. He needs more realistic and applicable solutions. we'll wait and see Huh

Well more money is coming as You know markets eating a lot money.
Billions Never last Long Market needs more money.
As You see Bitcoin price is down Market red markets need urgently money.

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I have serious concerns that she can finance that much expenditure. I don't think he can handle it with extra taxes from big companies. He needs more realistic and applicable solutions. we'll wait and see Huh

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As I asked the Old 20 b is used. New money is must coming in markets

Now here is the news more money is coming.
Anyways I Hope they printed enough Money this time its better to give one nice money shot instead of doing small shots.

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https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-tackles-40-000-as-biden-proposes-new-6-trillion-federal-spending-budget/amp

So if You own Bitcoin You get payed dividens as a share holder of the Central banks production.
Not Bad

Bitcoin is the USA Federal reserve stock share so btc holders are USA fed share holders.

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