Topic: Why reward halving instead of doubling? (Read 444 times)
It started from 50 fo faster development of supply volume. And now it going to be lower and lower for higher prices and lower inflation
I wonder how much of an increase transaction fees would need to get to incentivize miners to stay.
Wrong question. Difficulty is floating, it'll adapt to whatever is there. A single asicminer using a hundred watts is enough to keep blocks being produced.The question you should instead ask is "how much of an increase is needed to keep security acceptable?". Because if a single asicminer is all thats keeping the network going then two asicminers would be all that were needed to reorg blocks and replace recent transactions (and twenty could replace ones that weren't particularly recent!).
A couple years ago during congestion before segwit was rolled out, there were sustained total fees in amounts similar to the block subsidy! So I think that's pretty strong evidence that fees can be high enough to provide for reasonable amounts of security.
At the moment Bitcoin arguably has too much capacity now between changing usage patterns (e.g. batching, and sweeping during low fee times) and segwit and as a result fees are floating at about 2% of subsidy and often running right at the default minimum relay fee. After the halving they'll end up about 4% (though, likely they'll go much higher in a brief period after the halving due to congestion, due to the rate of block production going down for a little while).
our track now is
2012 25
2016 12.5
2020 6.25
2024 3.125
2028 1.5625
2032 0.78125
2012 25
2016 12.5
2020 6.25
2024 3.125
2028 1.5625
2032 0.78125
In the distant future, bitcoin's price curve will eventually flatten, probably after one of those future years you quoted. I wonder how much of an increase transaction fees would need to get to incentivize miners to stay.
What was Satoshi's reasoning behind halving the mining reward over time? Why did he not instead choose to do it in reverse and double the reward at each "doubling" (up to 50 BTC and then 0 - same total mined reward but distributed in reverse order)?
It seems that increasing the mining reward over time would have made more sense for at least two reasons:
1) It doesn't favor early adopters.
2) As mining difficulty rises, so does the cost of mining and therefore, the reward should be higher as well. Of course the rising price of BTC compensates for that but as we've seen recently, the price doesn't necessarily grow all the time.
Discuss.
It seems that increasing the mining reward over time would have made more sense for at least two reasons:
1) It doesn't favor early adopters.
2) As mining difficulty rises, so does the cost of mining and therefore, the reward should be higher as well. Of course the rising price of BTC compensates for that but as we've seen recently, the price doesn't necessarily grow all the time.
Discuss.
Well who the fuck is going to mine for 0 that's why.
I would argue that instead of 21million coins with ½ ings every 4 years.
32 million coins with ½ ings every 6 years would have given more time for it to be adopted.
We would be coming up to second ½ ing in 2021
I see issues with bitcoin at the ½ ing point that drops us to 0.78125 coins reward that is only 8 years from now.
If we split at 6 years
2015 25 coins
2021 12.5 coins
2027 6.25 coins
2033 3.125 coins
2039 1.5625 coins
2045 0.78125 coins
our track now is
2012 25
2016 12.5
2020 6.25
2024 3.125
2028 1.5625
2032 0.78125
I don't see how it works at this pace.
Put it this way. Of all the myriad coins out there that have tried different distribution schemes, none of them are ever likely to be as successful as this one.
We could spend forever debating how or why that decision was reached, but at the end of the day, it worked. If you could go back in time and make major alterations, there's no guarantee the result would have been the same.
We could spend forever debating how or why that decision was reached, but at the end of the day, it worked. If you could go back in time and make major alterations, there's no guarantee the result would have been the same.
If we were to have doubling every 4 years instead of halving, it'd look more like a scary event than an exciting one. In fact, wouldn't BTC turn into a ponzi scheme?
Bitcoin was launched and had only a handful of people supporting it in the early days. If we had block reward doubling, it means BTC would be 2x less scarce every 4 years.. so in order to keep its price up, we would've needed to gather more and more investors to keep pumping money in it to maintain the price - until they can't
I mean, imo Satoshi placed the best distribution scheme on BTC and it's a proven huge success like you said. If we had BTC start from a block reward doubling scheme, we would've had an alt overtake it as soon as a dev thought of creating a scace cryptocurrency. Hence, BTC would've been a big shitcoin right now..
So basically, based on your theory, BTC rewards should be doubled. But what exactly will it do? It'll speed up the entire process of getting all that BTC on the table to be mined as quickly as drinking a cup of coffee. It'd have been all mined years ago if this theory was to be considered from the beginning. The reason why we all follow the halving strategy is the fact that the cause behind BTC's price rise is this halving only, whether you trust us or not.
What was Satoshi's reasoning behind halving the mining reward over time? Why did he not instead choose to do it in reverse and double the reward at each "doubling" (up to 50 BTC and then 0 - same total mined reward but distributed in reverse order)?
It seems that increasing the mining reward over time would have made more sense for at least two reasons:
1) It doesn't favor early adopters.
2) As mining difficulty rises, so does the cost of mining and therefore, the reward should be higher as well. Of course the rising price of BTC compensates for that but as we've seen recently, the price doesn't necessarily grow all the time.
Discuss.
It seems that increasing the mining reward over time would have made more sense for at least two reasons:
1) It doesn't favor early adopters.
2) As mining difficulty rises, so does the cost of mining and therefore, the reward should be higher as well. Of course the rising price of BTC compensates for that but as we've seen recently, the price doesn't necessarily grow all the time.
Discuss.
So you do talk about reversing the whole system? Doubling reward rather than halving? If thats the case then we wont see on where Bitcoin is placed now.
Satoshi made the entire system to be like this and i dont see anything wrong with this perfect idea not only it limits out the supply but also its also not prone
to centralization.When it comes to miners then only the toughest ones would able to sustain in spite of the current price we are into.
I think this is a comparable appreciation for early adopters. The system that has been designed by Satoshi makes the internal value scale of BTC tends to increase, moreover the blockchain is increasingly popular and adopted by many companies. With limited supply, the level of difficulty of mining which also increases, demand increases, it will increase prices. This is not an instant process, there are times when correction, strategy, and mental are needed. There is no guarantee that prices will always go up, understand the risks and use the best possible opportunity to make a profit
1.
New generated coins are reduced, so the inflation rate is reduced.
Now the inflation rate is 3.7%. After halving, it will decrease to 1.8%.
After 2024 halving, the inflation rate will be lower than 1% which is lower than the inflation rate in almost all developed countries.
New generated coins are reduced, so the inflation rate is reduced.
Now the inflation rate is 3.7%. After halving, it will decrease to 1.8%.
After 2024 halving, the inflation rate will be lower than 1% which is lower than the inflation rate in almost all developed countries.
Does the reason we're seeing the bitcoin price fluctuating by $2000 have something to do with its large inflation rate? We see developing countries with that kind of inflation rate lose half or a third of its currency value every now and then. 3.7% sounds like a lot of inflation but I don't know how the inflation rate affects the current price of bitcoin. When the inflation rate goes down, shouldn't it make bitcoin change price less drastically? Between now and 2016 halving we're no longer seeing price changes by the hundreds but by the thousands, even though the inflation rate is less than it was before 2016.
So does that mean after the next halving, price changes by even more thousands of dollars will be regular?
Everything is very logical, a reduction in supply will stimulate a price increase, but with the opposite option, bitcoin would only depreciate faster and faster, also it is not worth explaining what high risks the first bitcoin users bore, unlike the current ones. Therefore, these considerations have nothing to themselves.
I can say Satoshi can not be just only one person, he created bitcoin in a way that it will be limited, scare and reducing in supply. These are what keeps bitcoin growing. Otherwise, bitcoin will be nothing.
Put it this way. Of all the myriad coins out there that have tried different distribution schemes, none of them are ever likely to be as successful as this one.
We could spend forever debating how or why that decision was reached, but at the end of the day, it worked. If you could go back in time and make major alterations, there's no guarantee the result would have been the same.
We could spend forever debating how or why that decision was reached, but at the end of the day, it worked. If you could go back in time and make major alterations, there's no guarantee the result would have been the same.
Well, the action taken by Satoshi Nakamoto was taken because things of this nature will occur in the mind of the Bitcoiners. Believed me, the actions taken in my opinion was to reward the early adoptors and not to randomly give richies to those out there. This was a great move for the entire technology to strive hence it may not. Reward halving is better than doubling holders, think of this mate: those who help built a network be left aside and then reward those who get involve into the network for quick Cash out or to enrich themselves.
If you make a continuation of mining of bitcoin it hits hard the rule of the market that is the supply and demand and the halving is only coming every four years, and I think it is quite balanced and normal if many people getting mine a lot of coins the market price of the bitcoin does not becomes profitable enough because many people now hold the same value and also the halving is good because not all the people are going to mining think about this many people getting more mining computers of bitcoin and they now using those power to make more money without doing anything just to mine.
What was Satoshi's reasoning behind halving the mining reward over time? Why did he not instead choose to do it in reverse and double the reward at each "doubling" (up to 50 BTC and then 0 - same total mined reward but distributed in reverse order)?
It seems that increasing the mining reward over time would have made more sense for at least two reasons:
1) It doesn't favor early adopters.
2) As mining difficulty rises, so does the cost of mining and therefore, the reward should be higher as well. Of course the rising price of BTC compensates for that but as we've seen recently, the price doesn't necessarily grow all the time.
Discuss.
That's some out-of-the-box thinking, and I like that. But let's consider the effects of such a decision.It seems that increasing the mining reward over time would have made more sense for at least two reasons:
1) It doesn't favor early adopters.
2) As mining difficulty rises, so does the cost of mining and therefore, the reward should be higher as well. Of course the rising price of BTC compensates for that but as we've seen recently, the price doesn't necessarily grow all the time.
Discuss.
1. It would be barely possible to boost adoption as there would be a very small amount of mined Bitcoins.
2. The number of new Bitcoins appearing from one halving to another would be huge, and this could easily cause the inflation problem.
In the end, I don't think Bitcoin would become a thing in this scenario, as it would be impossible to have about a hundred million users right now (BTC would just be too scarce).
Do you think Satoshi looks like someone who will think of what everyone thinks? The general opinion might have been the way you said it. But he has already chosen the best way for Bitcoin to reach its true potential. He has also made the right choice, as far as we have seen so far.
What was Satoshi's reasoning behind halving the mining reward over time? Why did he not instead choose to do it in reverse and double the reward at each "doubling" (up to 50 BTC and then 0 - same total mined reward but distributed in reverse order)?
It seems that increasing the mining reward over time would have made more sense for at least two reasons:
1) It doesn't favor early adopters.
2) As mining difficulty rises, so does the cost of mining and therefore, the reward should be higher as well. Of course the rising price of BTC compensates for that but as we've seen recently, the price doesn't necessarily grow all the time.
Discuss.
It seems that increasing the mining reward over time would have made more sense for at least two reasons:
1) It doesn't favor early adopters.
2) As mining difficulty rises, so does the cost of mining and therefore, the reward should be higher as well. Of course the rising price of BTC compensates for that but as we've seen recently, the price doesn't necessarily grow all the time.
Discuss.
If the emission schedule were reversed, the hard limit on supply would create a dangerous situation. Inflation would increase exponentially until it abruptly stopped at 21 million units, at which point miners would shut down en masse due to the huge reward drop. The network could come to a grinding halt.
The reward halvings were intended to do the opposite -- smoothly transition to zero inflation. The initial large subsidy was also meant to bootstrap the network by incentivizing miners with larger native rewards. Satoshi expected price and miner fee revenue to grow as the network grew, lessening the need for the miner subsidy over time.
If it did favor early adopters, then they basically control the market for almost the entire time before the event which is as you said "doubling". Not to mention that there wouldn't be even enough traders to adopt BTC because of the lack of supply that early adopters would encounter. It's kind of understandable though, the concept of starting from small then building it slowly to become bigger and bigger, but that wouldn't give out a solid foundation because Bitcoin itself requires the community to continue existing.
As for the second scenario, wouldn't that give out a lack of development? Especially with regards to the mining part. Plus, early adopters should still get some sort of advantage. If you were to compare it to the first reward of 50btc per block, then miners would hugely be disadvantaged once a few years have passed right? Just compare it to now and imagine if at the beginning. No one would probably mine at that point, with the minimal reward they are getting.
As for the second scenario, wouldn't that give out a lack of development? Especially with regards to the mining part. Plus, early adopters should still get some sort of advantage. If you were to compare it to the first reward of 50btc per block, then miners would hugely be disadvantaged once a few years have passed right? Just compare it to now and imagine if at the beginning. No one would probably mine at that point, with the minimal reward they are getting.
it would have complicated the supply distribution by A LOT. you want the bitcoin supply to be limited and you want to have enough coins in circulation to not run out or feel constraints. if you start from a small amount at first and then double it that means at first the circulating supply was very little, nobody would have used bitcoin if total supply was 0.00000100!
i say complicated because with your proposal the supply distribution should have been like this:
1- initial supply release either with a premine (which is a terrible idea) or a big mining reward per block (which again is terrible idea) or the same 50 per block for some time (but how long? 1 year? 2?) to get a moderate supply going
2- reduce it to a smaller amount (eg. 1 satoshi/block) then double it every 4 years.
3- reduce it again after certain point to still keep the maximum supply capped at 21 million.
now this design might look good at first but it has a big problem, it can not take into consideration the adoption we have. for example you can set the initial supply at 1 million then reduce it to 1 sat/block but after reaching 1 million you could see mass adoption and then face scarcity. additionally reducing block reward like that will kill hashrate.
now lets look at the current design.
initial block reward is high (50) it creates enough supply so that we stay ahead of the adoption and never face sever scarcity. and since the price is very little it justifies the cost by being high.
as bitcoin grows its price grows and when we cut it in half the miners are still receiving a lot more money than before. for example when block reward went from 25 to 12.5 the price was $600 and 12.5BTC was worth $7500 in a little while when 12.5 is cut in half and turns into 6.25 the miners (with current price) are going to receive about $43000.
as you can see even when we cut in in half they are still receiving A LOT more money compared to the beginning when the reward started being this much.
this works because it changes with adoption -> more adoption > higher price > higher reward cost > half of reward still has a lot higher value
i say complicated because with your proposal the supply distribution should have been like this:
1- initial supply release either with a premine (which is a terrible idea) or a big mining reward per block (which again is terrible idea) or the same 50 per block for some time (but how long? 1 year? 2?) to get a moderate supply going
2- reduce it to a smaller amount (eg. 1 satoshi/block) then double it every 4 years.
3- reduce it again after certain point to still keep the maximum supply capped at 21 million.
now this design might look good at first but it has a big problem, it can not take into consideration the adoption we have. for example you can set the initial supply at 1 million then reduce it to 1 sat/block but after reaching 1 million you could see mass adoption and then face scarcity. additionally reducing block reward like that will kill hashrate.
now lets look at the current design.
initial block reward is high (50) it creates enough supply so that we stay ahead of the adoption and never face sever scarcity. and since the price is very little it justifies the cost by being high.
as bitcoin grows its price grows and when we cut it in half the miners are still receiving a lot more money than before. for example when block reward went from 25 to 12.5 the price was $600 and 12.5BTC was worth $7500 in a little while when 12.5 is cut in half and turns into 6.25 the miners (with current price) are going to receive about $43000.
as you can see even when we cut in in half they are still receiving A LOT more money compared to the beginning when the reward started being this much.
this works because it changes with adoption -> more adoption > higher price > higher reward cost > half of reward still has a lot higher value
Because:
- Bitcoin should be the opposite of fiat. Fiat's supply is inflating which causes its value to depreciate over time. Bitcoin's supply is fixed and the reward deflates every 210,000 blocks or approximately every 4 years which makes every single BTC appreciates in value over time, or so it should.
- This was somehow likened to gold and other precious metals and stones in that over time the supply dwindles. Mining in both Bitcoin's and gold's sense will produce less and less reward over time because the supply is not unlimited as compared to fiat.
- It is for me a basic supply and demand approach. If the supply lessens while supposing the demand increases or remains the same, every BTC gains value.
- If you double the reward every 4 years, there is no sense of urgency, of people competing to get it now rather than tomorrow or in the future. And, again, this adds value.
It wouldn't overly advantage early adopters
Why the issue with early adopters having an advantage? They were the ones who risked the most on a completely unknown and unproven asset, who spent their time and effort to develop and promote bitcoin, who spent their money to mine at a loss when bitcoin had no USD value. I don't think it is unfair that they were rewarded for doing so.and since it'd be a fixed reward it would not disincentivize mining over time.
There would still be a big drop off from 3 BTC to zero BTC in block reward once the supply limit had been reached. There needs to be a slow and gradual change from the majority of mining profit coming from the block reward to the majority of mining profit coming from transaction fees to ensure that mining reaches a stable equilibrium.As a side note, I'm partial to the efficient market hypothesis (e.g. Bitcoin's mining reward is public knowledge and already "priced in") so I doubt mining reward halvings have a large effect on price.
I'm not so sure. I think there are too many unknowns to assume it is fully "priced in". No one has any way of telling for sure how many miners will drop off and how many miners will continue after each halving, and at what difficulty the miners who dropped off will return. All of these things will affect the price in unpredictable ways. 
Do you think reaching the maximum supply at the earliest time would be beneficial for Bitcoin? I don't think so. Also, if you are talking about early adopters, they have already been given a chance to hoard a lot of BTC during the times when it was easy to mine. Additionally, when the price is still at the cents, it is a lot.
Nothing is fixed in this world of ours, only the constants. The price of an asset is not one of them, and you can never be sure of its direction as well.
Nothing is fixed in this world of ours, only the constants. The price of an asset is not one of them, and you can never be sure of its direction as well.
Your proposal would mean that bitcoin would never work.
To begin with, we would be generating a single satoshi per block. Between the launch of bitcoin and the next halving next month, we would only have generated a grand total of 0.0147 BTC. With such a small amount of bitcoin to circulate, it would be impossible for people to meaningfully trade or buy things with each, meaning it would never work as a currency and there would be adoption. There would also be nobody holding for the long term - would you hold an asset when you knew the supply is going to increase by over 1 billion times in the coming years? Of course not, as it would rapidly become worthless. There would be no demand, no adoption, no value, and a hashrate which could likely easily be 51% attacked like most altcoins.
Even if bitcoin somehow managed to overcomes these stumbling blocks and become a popular currency, in your model we would still only have mined 25% of all available bitcoin by 2132, meaning the supply would still quadruple over the next 8 years, resulting in the price plummeting.
How would mining possibly work when the reward suddenly dropped from 50 BTC a block to nothing? The vast majority of miners would immediately quit in such a scenario, leaving bitcoin wide open to a 51% attack.
To begin with, we would be generating a single satoshi per block. Between the launch of bitcoin and the next halving next month, we would only have generated a grand total of 0.0147 BTC. With such a small amount of bitcoin to circulate, it would be impossible for people to meaningfully trade or buy things with each, meaning it would never work as a currency and there would be adoption. There would also be nobody holding for the long term - would you hold an asset when you knew the supply is going to increase by over 1 billion times in the coming years? Of course not, as it would rapidly become worthless. There would be no demand, no adoption, no value, and a hashrate which could likely easily be 51% attacked like most altcoins.
Even if bitcoin somehow managed to overcomes these stumbling blocks and become a popular currency, in your model we would still only have mined 25% of all available bitcoin by 2132, meaning the supply would still quadruple over the next 8 years, resulting in the price plummeting.
How would mining possibly work when the reward suddenly dropped from 50 BTC a block to nothing? The vast majority of miners would immediately quit in such a scenario, leaving bitcoin wide open to a 51% attack.
You make some valid points. What about a constant block reward, say 3 BTC per block until 21M BTC is reached? There would already be 150K BTC in circulation by year 1. The initial inflation would have been lower than it's ever been in Bitcoin's history so far. It wouldn't overly advantage early adopters and since it'd be a fixed reward it would not disincentivize mining over time.
As a side note, I'm partial to the efficient market hypothesis (e.g. Bitcoin's mining reward is public knowledge and already "priced in") so I doubt mining reward halvings have a large effect on price.
One of its best features imo is scarcity, because we want to be the few ones to own it and we want our asset to become rarer, not more usual.
What makes anything valuable in life is scarcity. The hope in bitcoin price to increase is also in the scarcity. Anything not scares has little or no value.
What was Satoshi's reasoning behind halving the mining reward over time? Why did he not instead choose to do it in reverse and double the reward at each "doubling" (up to 50 BTC and then 0 - same total mined reward but distributed in reverse order)?
Given the Bitcoin's goal of being an asset with the fixed total market cap, it would make more sense to have a lowering inflation than an increasing inflation. The increase in inflation makes Bitcoin less scarce as time goes by and whilst it doesn't favour the early adopters, it doesn't favor anyone at all.The cost of mining does play a part in this; the steady decrease of the increase in supply helps the miners to cushion the impact on their loss in mining. Whilst the decrease in supply does result in an increase in price, ceteris paribus, it doesn't work in the real world. The mechanism to help the miner earn a profit is actually the difficulty. If the miners doesn't earn enough profits, some of the miners would shut off, difficulty would drop and those who are still in the game would earn more. It would achieve and equilibrium such that only those who produce a profit would be able to mine. The price isn't the only factor affecitng the miners.
I'd have to guess that Satoshi wanted to put all the best features of what we have today in precious metals, fiat and digital into one piece of genius work called "cryptocurrency". One of its best features imo is scarcity, because we want to be the few ones to own it and we want our asset to become rarer, not more usual.
BTC's price moves against the supply and together with its demand. When the block reward gets cut in half, a miner who mines approximately as much as they consume in resources (electricity etc) will either have to somehow sell their mined BTC at a minimum 100.01% higher-than-the-total-value price to have at least that minimum and unconsiderable profit of 0.01% or it would literally make no sense to continue mining it.
Imagine earning a silver coin per month as your salary and every 4 years your monthly piece of silver gets cut in half. You'd be in huge disadvantage, right? Well, if everyone was to receive exactly the same piece of silver a month and theirs had to get cut every 4 years in half too, we all would have to rise the value of the piece of metal by at least 100% or we'd all starve..
Not sure if the example above is great but I gave it a try and hopefully it's easy to understand. Scarcity, my friend! Scarcity is here to save us all
BTC's price moves against the supply and together with its demand. When the block reward gets cut in half, a miner who mines approximately as much as they consume in resources (electricity etc) will either have to somehow sell their mined BTC at a minimum 100.01% higher-than-the-total-value price to have at least that minimum and unconsiderable profit of 0.01% or it would literally make no sense to continue mining it.
Imagine earning a silver coin per month as your salary and every 4 years your monthly piece of silver gets cut in half. You'd be in huge disadvantage, right? Well, if everyone was to receive exactly the same piece of silver a month and theirs had to get cut every 4 years in half too, we all would have to rise the value of the piece of metal by at least 100% or we'd all starve..
Not sure if the example above is great but I gave it a try and hopefully it's easy to understand. Scarcity, my friend! Scarcity is here to save us all
Your proposal would mean that bitcoin would never work.
To begin with, we would be generating a single satoshi per block. Between the launch of bitcoin and the next halving next month, we would only have generated a grand total of 0.0147 BTC. With such a small amount of bitcoin to circulate, it would be impossible for people to meaningfully trade or buy things with each, meaning it would never work as a currency and there would be adoption. There would also be nobody holding for the long term - would you hold an asset when you knew the supply is going to increase by over 1 billion times in the coming years? Of course not, as it would rapidly become worthless. There would be no demand, no adoption, no value, and a hashrate which could likely easily be 51% attacked like most altcoins.
Even if bitcoin somehow managed to overcomes these stumbling blocks and become a popular currency, in your model we would still only have mined 25% of all available bitcoin by 2132, meaning the supply would still quadruple over the next 8 years, resulting in the price plummeting.
How would mining possibly work when the reward suddenly dropped from 50 BTC a block to nothing? The vast majority of miners would immediately quit in such a scenario, leaving bitcoin wide open to a 51% attack.
To begin with, we would be generating a single satoshi per block. Between the launch of bitcoin and the next halving next month, we would only have generated a grand total of 0.0147 BTC. With such a small amount of bitcoin to circulate, it would be impossible for people to meaningfully trade or buy things with each, meaning it would never work as a currency and there would be adoption. There would also be nobody holding for the long term - would you hold an asset when you knew the supply is going to increase by over 1 billion times in the coming years? Of course not, as it would rapidly become worthless. There would be no demand, no adoption, no value, and a hashrate which could likely easily be 51% attacked like most altcoins.
Even if bitcoin somehow managed to overcomes these stumbling blocks and become a popular currency, in your model we would still only have mined 25% of all available bitcoin by 2132, meaning the supply would still quadruple over the next 8 years, resulting in the price plummeting.
How would mining possibly work when the reward suddenly dropped from 50 BTC a block to nothing? The vast majority of miners would immediately quit in such a scenario, leaving bitcoin wide open to a 51% attack.
All the replies misunderstood what I meant (except the last one). I was not talking about changing Bitcoin's total supply (~21M) but merely changing the order in which the mining reward is distributed.
That's a good point but it wouldn't have been too hard to come up with a reward distribution that starts at say 1 BTC and stops when the total supply reaches ~21M BTC.
To reply another post, I do believe that Satoshi wanted to reward early adopters but even a 1 BTC mining reward would have achieved that.
1.
New generated coins are reduced, so the inflation rate is reduced.
Now the inflation rate is 3.7%. After halving, it will decrease to 1.8%.
After 2024 halving, the inflation rate will be lower than 1% which is lower than the inflation rate in almost all developed countries.
If new generated coins were to increase every four year, the inflation rate would increase. Reducing annual inflation rate is one of the main advantages of bitcoin comparing to fiat which is being printed all the times.
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In the first 210,000 blocks, 50 BTC/block were generated. This rate will decrease to 1 satoshi in 2136 (the exact year can be different)
Let's assume in the first 210,000 blocks, 1 satoshi/block were to be generated and this rate will increase to 50 BTC/block in 2136.
We are now on block number 1000. There are only 1000 satoshi. How can people trade while the supply is only 1000 satoshi and there is no unit smaller than satoshi?
The block reward started from 50 BTC and it converges to zero over time. It cannot start from zero, increase to 50 over time and drop to zero suddenly.
New generated coins are reduced, so the inflation rate is reduced.
Now the inflation rate is 3.7%. After halving, it will decrease to 1.8%.
After 2024 halving, the inflation rate will be lower than 1% which is lower than the inflation rate in almost all developed countries.
If new generated coins were to increase every four year, the inflation rate would increase. Reducing annual inflation rate is one of the main advantages of bitcoin comparing to fiat which is being printed all the times.
2.
In the first 210,000 blocks, 50 BTC/block were generated. This rate will decrease to 1 satoshi in 2136 (the exact year can be different)
Let's assume in the first 210,000 blocks, 1 satoshi/block were to be generated and this rate will increase to 50 BTC/block in 2136.
We are now on block number 1000. There are only 1000 satoshi. How can people trade while the supply is only 1000 satoshi and there is no unit smaller than satoshi?
The block reward started from 50 BTC and it converges to zero over time. It cannot start from zero, increase to 50 over time and drop to zero suddenly.
That's a good point but it wouldn't have been too hard to come up with a reward distribution that starts at say 1 BTC and stops when the total supply reaches ~21M BTC.
To reply another post, I do believe that Satoshi wanted to reward early adopters but even a 1 BTC mining reward would have achieved that.
1.
New generated coins are reduced, so the inflation rate is reduced.
Now the inflation rate is 3.7%. After halving, it will decrease to 1.8%.
After 2024 halving, the inflation rate will be lower than 1% which is lower than the inflation rate in almost all developed countries.
If new generated coins were to increase every four year, the inflation rate would increase. Reducing annual inflation rate is one of the main advantages of bitcoin comparing to fiat which is being printed all the times.
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In the first 210,000 blocks, 50 BTC/block were generated. This rate will decrease to 1 satoshi in 2136 (the exact year can be different)
Let's assume in the first 210,000 blocks, 1 satoshi/block were to be generated and this rate will increase to 50 BTC/block in 2136.
We are now on block number 1000. There are only 1000 satoshi. How can people trade while the supply is only 1000 satoshi and there is no unit smaller than satoshi?
The block reward started from 50 BTC and it converges to zero over time. It cannot start from zero, increase to 50 over time and drop to zero suddenly.
New generated coins are reduced, so the inflation rate is reduced.
Now the inflation rate is 3.7%. After halving, it will decrease to 1.8%.
After 2024 halving, the inflation rate will be lower than 1% which is lower than the inflation rate in almost all developed countries.
If new generated coins were to increase every four year, the inflation rate would increase. Reducing annual inflation rate is one of the main advantages of bitcoin comparing to fiat which is being printed all the times.
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In the first 210,000 blocks, 50 BTC/block were generated. This rate will decrease to 1 satoshi in 2136 (the exact year can be different)
Let's assume in the first 210,000 blocks, 1 satoshi/block were to be generated and this rate will increase to 50 BTC/block in 2136.
We are now on block number 1000. There are only 1000 satoshi. How can people trade while the supply is only 1000 satoshi and there is no unit smaller than satoshi?
The block reward started from 50 BTC and it converges to zero over time. It cannot start from zero, increase to 50 over time and drop to zero suddenly.
What was Satoshi's reasoning behind halving the mining reward over time? Why did he not instead choose to do it in reverse and double the reward at each "doubling" (up to 50 BTC and then 0 - same total mined reward but distributed in reverse order)?
It seems that increasing the mining reward over time would have made more sense for at least two reasons:
1) It doesn't favor early adopters.
2) As mining difficulty rises, so does the cost of mining and therefore, the reward should be higher as well. Of course the rising price of BTC compensates for that but as we've seen recently, the price doesn't necessarily grow all the time.
Discuss.
It seems that increasing the mining reward over time would have made more sense for at least two reasons:
1) It doesn't favor early adopters.
2) As mining difficulty rises, so does the cost of mining and therefore, the reward should be higher as well. Of course the rising price of BTC compensates for that but as we've seen recently, the price doesn't necessarily grow all the time.
Discuss.
First of all, if the mining reward is increasing, that means the bitcoin available will be increasing too so that bitcoin is continuously available to mine. From the law of supply, the more the supply the lesser the price. So, bitcoin will not worth anything if the supply is increasing. So, it is better as the reward is decreasing.
The decreasing bitcoin supply is helping as a deflating mechanism and helps bitcoin keeps going. If the supply is increasing, the price will not increase or will reduce. The reason why people buy bitcoin and its rate of adoption increased was the fact that the supply really reduced in 2012, and because of this, people bought it more in anticipation that it will rise again after halving in 2016, all these are link to the reducing supply and decreasing miming reword.
So, if the supply increase, the demands will reduce because the price will not increase and nothing will lure people to buy bitcoin in the first place, if people do not buy and the supply continues to grow, it means the price will reduce and ensue bitcoin to extinction. That is, bitcoin will die. So, the way Satoshi made it makes it keeping and makes it to be the strongest cryptocurrency.
Bitcoin supply is limited and that's all it explains.
No matter how expensive mining is, people will still do it to contribute and earn from it. Because in theory, while the amount of supply keep shrinking, the demand is increasing, and that's the reason why miners keep doing, believing price will soar halving after halving...
No matter how expensive mining is, people will still do it to contribute and earn from it. Because in theory, while the amount of supply keep shrinking, the demand is increasing, and that's the reason why miners keep doing, believing price will soar halving after halving...
Because Satoshi did want to reward early adopters. I don't why people think that it's somehow unfair, early adopters take the most risk, and they should be rewarded more, period. Also halvenings very elegantly create fixed supply, our 21 million is the limit of a function that halves it's value periodically, and with your model you'd have to set some fixed block height after which reward is set to zero.
What was Satoshi's reasoning behind halving the mining reward over time? Why did not instead choose to do it in reverse and double the reward at each "doubling" (up to 50 BTC and then 0 - same total mined reward but distributed in reverse order)?
It seems that increasing the mining reward over time would have made more sense for at least two reasons:
It makes zero sense, BTCitcoin have a limited supply and it is not like fiat where you can print unlimited amount whenever the government wants.The reason for the reduction in rewards is simply because BTCitcoin is a deflating asset. It seems that increasing the mining reward over time would have made more sense for at least two reasons:
1) It doesn't favor early adopters.
Whether you like it or not every market favors the early adopters and there is nothing you can do about that.2) As mining difficulty rises, so does the cost of mining and therefore, the reward should be higher as well. Of course the rising price of BTC compensates for that but as we've seen recently, the price doesn't necessarily grow all the time.
BTCitcoin does not promise that the miners will be compensated all the time to maintain the network. The price will increase because of the number of coins mined will be halved and with the numbers of investors in the market and less amount of coins in circulation the price will increase gradually.
What was Satoshi's reasoning behind halving the mining reward over time? Why did he not instead choose to do it in reverse and double the reward at each "doubling" (up to 50 BTC and then 0 - same total mined reward but distributed in reverse order)?
It seems that increasing the mining reward over time would have made more sense for at least two reasons:
1) It doesn't favor early adopters.
2) As mining difficulty rises, so does the cost of mining and therefore, the reward should be higher as well. Of course the rising price of BTC compensates for that but as we've seen recently, the price doesn't necessarily grow all the time.
Discuss.
It seems that increasing the mining reward over time would have made more sense for at least two reasons:
1) It doesn't favor early adopters.
2) As mining difficulty rises, so does the cost of mining and therefore, the reward should be higher as well. Of course the rising price of BTC compensates for that but as we've seen recently, the price doesn't necessarily grow all the time.
Discuss.
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