This isn't a serious issue that needs to be fixed. Eventually, you can't merit yourself. So nothing is wrong. If you can merit yourself, then it would be a matter of concern.
It just need to write couple of line on the code but waste of time actually.
This isn't a hassle for you also since you know it doesn't work meriting yourself.
Topic: Why seeing merit button on my post when I can not merit my own post (Read 457 times)
June 14, 2024, 01:36:31 PM
When I go through a post of other members, I will see the link to a merit page which can be used to merit the particular post that you have just read. If it is my own post, I can not merit it. Then why should merit link to give merit to a post be seen on my own post when I can not merit myself. I think something should be done for us not to see the merit link on our own posts. Only other people's posts should the merit link be seen.
You got me thinking and so as much you've made a very good point there. Apparently if we can't merit ourselves then the feature where we can observe the sMerits on our own posts seems not useful but let's just take it likely to say that the +Merit is a just a function by which we can access our sMerits status. That's to say we can always find that feature in self and others posts.
June 14, 2024, 06:10:01 AM
A lot has to do with ease of coding. Back in 1979-1980 while in the US Navy we had a ton of software go bad. Why it used the 7 from the decade to count time so when we went to the 8 as in 1980 the software erred out. I suspect many fear this was going to be big in 1999-2000 because they had seen 1979-1980 errors and 1989-1990 errors.
June 03, 2024, 01:26:54 AM
I also wondered the need for this merit button that can be seen but can't be used on one's self but then I realized that some of these things where probably left there by Theymos when this forum was being created to add some sort of uniqueness or something, or it was a feature that was added on later , I dunno but like the others have said it's not something to break one's head over, i feel it's best to ignore.
There are some features in this forum that are just there for formality purpose and do not carry much weight or affect anything like this :"we reserve the right to decay unused smerits" because up till date I've not really seen any merits get decayed.
There are some features in this forum that are just there for formality purpose and do not carry much weight or affect anything like this :"we reserve the right to decay unused smerits" because up till date I've not really seen any merits get decayed.
June 02, 2024, 10:34:01 PM
This one's a bit tricky... I don't have access to theymos' code, so all I can really do is guess at what the code might look like, and then patch the reconstruction.
My guess would be that the code in question is somewhere between one half and two thirds of the way into a function called template_main() inside a file named Display.template.php, and that it looks something like this:
Using that guess as a baseline, the patch would consist of extending that if-condition with && $message['member']['id'] != $context['user']['id'], like so:
(For everyone's info: I don't receive notifications when I'm mentioned. I'm working on adding a simple mention system to SMF, but, until then, there's no guarantee that I'll bump into every @PowerGlove. If you suspect I've slept on some important forum-improvement topic, feel free to shoot me a PM.)
I only checked this afterwards, so I'll leave my original guesswork as-is, but, I see that the "+Merit" link does appear on guest posts, so whatever the actual if-condition is, it's missing the && !$message['member']['is_guest'] that I included in the guessed-at code. (I would add it, though: guest-meriting is similar to self-meriting; may as well just not emit links that can only error-out if you visit them.)
My guess would be that the code in question is somewhere between one half and two thirds of the way into a function called template_main() inside a file named Display.template.php, and that it looks something like this:
Code:
if(!$context['user']['is_guest'] && !$message['member']['is_guest'])
echo '
+Merit';
Using that guess as a baseline, the patch would consist of extending that if-condition with && $message['member']['id'] != $context['user']['id'], like so:
Code:
if(!$context['user']['is_guest'] && !$message['member']['is_guest'] && $message['member']['id'] != $context['user']['id'])
echo '
+Merit';
(For everyone's info: I don't receive notifications when I'm mentioned. I'm working on adding a simple mention system to SMF, but, until then, there's no guarantee that I'll bump into every @PowerGlove. If you suspect I've slept on some important forum-improvement topic, feel free to shoot me a PM.)
I only checked this afterwards, so I'll leave my original guesswork as-is, but, I see that the "+Merit" link does appear on guest posts, so whatever the actual if-condition is, it's missing the && !$message['member']['is_guest'] that I included in the guessed-at code. (I would add it, though: guest-meriting is similar to self-meriting; may as well just not emit links that can only error-out if you visit them.)
April 23, 2024, 07:17:23 AM
OP, your observation is merit worthy. Sad I don't have any to splash on it. I believe that button was an oversight when merit was coded into this forum, and could be too much work to edit out after it was discovered later on. Perhaps, @PowerGlove could come to the rescue now that such is under review.
April 17, 2024, 03:59:49 PM
I think something should be done for us not to see the merit link on our own posts. Only other people's posts should the merit link be seen.
as long as it doesn't allow us to merit ourselves, I don't see any issue with it, besides, its not like it is distracting or disrupt your day to day forum experience. also, I barely even notice it when I am online and as LoyceV mentioned, it's not worth the effort to remove it. 
April 17, 2024, 03:23:40 PM
When I go through a post of other members, I will see the link to a merit page which can be used to merit the particular post that you have just read. If it is my own post, I can not merit it. Then why should merit link to give merit to a post be seen on my own post when I can not merit myself. I think something should be done for us not to see the merit link on our own posts. Only other people's posts should the merit link be seen.
It is corrected by the following step a click to merit yourself
That's funny. I've never tried to merit myself before. Seeing this, I went a step further and tried to leave myself a feedback rating. I was also denied. Damn. I thought this was my chance to be a true self-scratcher. It is a bit funny to think there are people out there who probably tried to leave themselves merit or trust ratings only to be denied. I guess this is why some people spend so much time farming alts and forming trust/merit circles. Personally, I think it would be funny if people could leave themselves merit, only instead of giving them merit it just destroys it.
April 17, 2024, 02:22:29 PM
You mean you like to be meriting your own posts...lol Well, I've always seen that merit button on my posts but I believe it's not a big deal, especially if the system can tell you upon trying it that it is not possible to merit your post as the creator.
And if you had practically tried that before, then I must say you are one of the bravest hearts on this forum and curiosity must have pushed you towards that experiment.
I've always been tempted to try it, even yesterday before you posted this topic, but I've tried my best to avoid it because if it mistakingly pushed through, I know I will have enough people to explain to on the forum that it was a mistake. 
You know how our people behave.
And if you had practically tried that before, then I must say you are one of the bravest hearts on this forum and curiosity must have pushed you towards that experiment.
I've always been tempted to try it, even yesterday before you posted this topic, but I've tried my best to avoid it because if it mistakingly pushed through, I know I will have enough people to explain to on the forum that it was a mistake. You know how our people behave.
April 17, 2024, 08:17:19 AM
When I go through a post of other members, I will see the link to a merit page which can be used to merit the particular post that you have just read. If it is my own post, I can not merit it. Then why should merit link to give merit to a post be seen on my own post when I can not merit myself. I think something should be done for us not to see the merit link on our own posts. Only other people's posts should the merit link be seen.
It is corrected by the following step a click to merit yourself
do a wrong amount 0 and see what happens
it tells you invalid amount even though you sent it to yourself
do a correct amount say 1
it says "fuck you asshole" you can't merit yourself. I added that just to wake us up this morning
I can assure you that if you fix the merit yourself issue the way you do you will likely interfere with the code that says you sent a wrong / invalid amount.
To ask for what you want costs time.
Why not ask power glove if he could fix it how long and how much code it will take then offer to pay him 100 usd an hour to fix it.
BTW when I see that other things are wrapped into it such as you sent an invalid amount 0 for instance. I know that "you can not send over 50 merits a month to the same person" is linked into that same line of code.
April 17, 2024, 07:58:24 AM
It's probably for the same reason you still see a Merit button when you've reached your maximum for that user, or when you're out of sMerit: it's not worth the effort to remove all exceptions.
April 17, 2024, 07:38:40 AM
You are correct that it shouldn't be there, but the admin is very reluctant to make changes (even when it is necessary), meaning they would never spend time implementing something that isn't actually a problem.
If a suggestion does not solve a particular problem, i don't think the admin would even think about implementing it, the merit button beside your own posts is not a problem, as long as you can't merit yourself and you get an error when you try it.
If a suggestion does not solve a particular problem, i don't think the admin would even think about implementing it, the merit button beside your own posts is not a problem, as long as you can't merit yourself and you get an error when you try it.
April 17, 2024, 04:27:12 AM
Without using userscripts, sending merits requires a lot of time and effort, so I agree with you that we need modifications, but they must all be in one update.
The most important thing is that if theymos is busy, why not ask for a developer, even part-time, there are a lot of modifications required, most of which have not been implemented.
The most important thing is that if theymos is busy, why not ask for a developer, even part-time, there are a lot of modifications required, most of which have not been implemented.
April 17, 2024, 03:51:52 AM
Is this a big problem? Let the merit button be a reminder for people who accumulate merit to be more attentive to other people's posts and not to be greedy in giving away their own.
Thinking about whether merit can be given to oneself seems like patting oneself on the head, since it is difficult to receive it from others. Such a thought has never occurred to me, and it’s funny when people think about it.
Perfectionism is certainly good, but it’s not the problem.
Thinking about whether merit can be given to oneself seems like patting oneself on the head, since it is difficult to receive it from others. Such a thought has never occurred to me, and it’s funny when people think about it.
Perfectionism is certainly good, but it’s not the problem.
April 17, 2024, 03:48:26 AM
Could this also be likened to a question as "why allow me see and click a locked thread if I cannot post in it?". I think we should just disregard things that do not seriously pose a problem to anyone in the forum. Let's keep going hoping that someday a new forum software might emerge.
I do not understand your question. But if it is about the topic that moderators locked, that the topic poster should not see unlock topic because it is the moderators that lock it and the topic starter can not unlock it. That is also a good suggestion. I posted this to bring it to PowerGlove notice if there is anything that can be done. Do not say an upgrade is not necessary. Even if we do not have new forum software as of now, there can be changes in this present software. Before 2FA was implemented on this forum, this is also how some people said something like you but now we have 2FA login.Meaning, it shouldn't be compared to what you have suggested. Having a merit button is not the same as locked thread.
Removing this merit button to your own post should be removed, only if it is possible. Though, it won't cause anything if the admin will not be going to remove it. We can just disregard it.
April 17, 2024, 03:10:11 AM
Could this also be likened to a question as "why allow me see and click a locked thread if I cannot post in it?". I think we should just disregard things that do not seriously pose a problem to anyone in the forum. Let's keep going hoping that someday a new forum software might emerge.
I think what the Op asked.or suggest is a good one because many we tempted to click that link but they were afraid and with this thread, my confidence was also build that if I merit myself I will not be penalized and I just tested the button and it shows that I cannot merit myself. It not this, I was always wanted to ask this question for long time but wasn't able to do so. I even thanks the Op for bringing this to the forum to reduce tension. I think a newbie created a similar thread I'm another form and he was rebuked.
There are something we over looked thinking that they are nothing and no mean harm but indepth looking they are dangerous. And now that Op has bring this to the public then we all now know that it has no harm.
April 17, 2024, 02:58:49 AM
Could this also be likened to a question as "why allow me see and click a locked thread if I cannot post in it?". I think we should just disregard things that do not seriously pose a problem to anyone in the forum. Let's keep going hoping that someday a new forum software might emerge.
I do not understand your question. But if it is about the topic that moderators locked, that the topic poster should not see unlock topic because it is the moderators that lock it and the topic starter can not unlock it. That is also a good suggestion. I posted this to bring it to PowerGlove notice if there is anything that can be done. Do not say an upgrade is not necessary. Even if we do not have new forum software as of now, there can be changes in this present software. Before 2FA was implemented on this forum, this is also how some people said something like you but now we have 2FA login. April 17, 2024, 02:57:15 AM
This is the long waited question in the forum since the outset of my being here here. And if it is written " you can't merit yourself" then it is fine but if the opposite is found then disasters will occur but it's like that button is not working if not people would have merited themselves to see if the button is working in addition many people are afraid to click that button for the fear of penalty. That button was really tempting.
And since the button is not working then there is no need to keep that button or hyperlink there. It is better to remove it from the poster. I will test the button to know how it is after this post. I have tested it and this is the pop up message I got.
And since the button is not working then there is no need to keep that button or hyperlink there. It is better to remove it from the poster.
April 17, 2024, 02:33:41 AM
When I go through a post of other members, I will see the link to a merit page which can be used to merit the particular post that you have just read. If it is my own post, I can not merit it. Then why should merit link to give merit to a post be seen on my own post when I can not merit myself. I think something should be done for us not to see the merit link on our own posts. Only other people's posts should the merit link be seen.
Nice observation, though i never thought about it for any reason, i don't even think I've once noticed for such, though since the merit pattern does not allow for one to merit self and if the button exist there, it only makes you rather remember that you can choose to merit any other post made after your own, but on the attempt to self merit yourself, you may discover that such is not allowed, but still yet, something can be done as OP have suggested that the feature does not applies to the original poster to see the merit icon on the post he made, while other post could remain as before having this feature.
April 17, 2024, 01:41:12 AM
I think there is no harm in seeing that merit button on our own post. We all know that we can't merit our own posts and that's why seeing that merit button isn't an issue and we can always avoid it without thinking too much about it.
I believe creating a code to disable that merit button on someone's own post can also create bugs, or other issues for the forum, and that's why I believe the button may stay there and members should continue avoiding that like they have been doing always.
I believe creating a code to disable that merit button on someone's own post can also create bugs, or other issues for the forum, and that's why I believe the button may stay there and members should continue avoiding that like they have been doing always.
April 16, 2024, 10:29:19 PM
You are making it sound as a big deal, I see nothing wrong with that or does the merit link that appears disturbs you or stops you from doing anything? If it doesn’t then just ignore it because i see no reason for it to be taken down since it's harmless. If you already know it appears and it is useless then why bother about it. Meriting oneself doesn’t even sound right and if it was to be allowed then everyone will keep sending merit to himself/herself and no one would want to merit other people’s posts.
April 16, 2024, 09:47:23 PM
You asked a very good question which I have thought about in time past but decided not to ask since it doesn't bother me. I know that I cannot merit myself even when wants to make me think I can. I just do not let it bother me. However, you can come up with an alternative and send a PM to the user who helped to write the forum's program and see what happens.
April 16, 2024, 09:35:47 PM
It really shouldn't be there because meriting your own post makes zero sense yes(and is not allowed anyway), but is it that really bad of a deal? It's a total nothingburger just ignore it as it won't harm anyone anyway. I'd be totally fine if Theymos left it as it is.
April 16, 2024, 09:14:04 PM
If it is my own post, I can not merit it.
At the end, it works just fine, you can not merit your posts by yourself. There is notification after you click on Merit, to merit your own post. Type the merit number and send.Quote
You cannot send merit to yourself
Quote
Then why should merit link to give merit to a post be seen on my own post when I can not merit myself. I think something should be done for us not to see the merit link on our own posts. Only other people's posts should the merit link be seen.
It works just fine and I understand your idea but if it requires some effort to code or bigger issue on the forum operation, the current notification is acceptable.You can make your proposal to PowerGlove and see will he can code a SMF patch, then send it to theymos for approval.
April 16, 2024, 05:55:47 PM
I think something should be done for us not to see the merit link on our own posts. Only other people's posts should the merit link be seen.
When you have a code this large you want to be touching it as little as possible, it's probably a few minutes' job but if it's not super important it would only be
1- A waste of time.
2- Might break something along the line.
I have been here for 5 years or so, written thousands of posts, and read tens of thousands of posts, it never bothered me, I got used to it -- I don't even notice it now.
April 16, 2024, 05:54:13 PM
I understand your point, and it doesn't seem to make sense for the button to be available on a post that you can't give merit to. Logically, it is possible to make this type of adjustment, so that it does not appear in these topics. Maybe our service tech @PowerGlove can take a look.
Either way, it's good to understand why the merit button appears in all posts (even those that have no use) and other buttons do not appear (such as edit post). The buttons, such as edit post, are an original part of the software used by the forum. That's why all the features are already integrated, allowing you to only appear in posts that can be used.
The merit button was added later, and for faster implementation, the option to only appear in posts where it can be used was not coded. In other words, it was easier to place the button on all posts, and then on the merit page to manage this, whether or not to give merit. Basically, the simplest and fastest way to implement merit was used, without having to make major changes to the original code.
In short, it is possible to adjust so that the merit button only appears in posts where this can be done. This was not done, due to the complexity involved, which was not extremely necessary for merit to work.
Either way, it's good to understand why the merit button appears in all posts (even those that have no use) and other buttons do not appear (such as edit post). The buttons, such as edit post, are an original part of the software used by the forum. That's why all the features are already integrated, allowing you to only appear in posts that can be used.
The merit button was added later, and for faster implementation, the option to only appear in posts where it can be used was not coded. In other words, it was easier to place the button on all posts, and then on the merit page to manage this, whether or not to give merit. Basically, the simplest and fastest way to implement merit was used, without having to make major changes to the original code.
In short, it is possible to adjust so that the merit button only appears in posts where this can be done. This was not done, due to the complexity involved, which was not extremely necessary for merit to work.
April 16, 2024, 05:46:49 PM
When I go through a post of other members, I will see the link to a merit page which can be used to merit the particular post that you have just read. If it is my own post, I can not merit it. Then why should merit link to give merit to a post be seen on my own post when I can not merit myself. I think something should be done for us not to see the merit link on our own posts. Only other people's posts should the merit link be seen.
Though it shouldn't be a topic in question as it has been suggested or asked several times, I still think it should be removed from a users end. As a user who already knows the forum very well and understand that you cannot merit yourself then we shouldn't be that bothered if the button works or not.
Anyways I am just a basic code writer so I really can't tell how difficult it would be to make such edit nor can I suggest way to edit it. Anyways let's just hope that theymos and the Bitcointalk developer team would consider this suggestion.
April 16, 2024, 05:32:13 PM
When I go through a post of other members, I will see the link to a merit page which can be used to merit the particular post that you have just read. If it is my own post, I can not merit it. Then why should merit link to give merit to a post be seen on my own post when I can not merit myself. I think something should be done for us not to see the merit link on our own posts. Only other people's posts should the merit link be seen.
Could this also be likened to a question as "why allow me see and click a locked thread if I cannot post in it?". I think we should just disregard things that do not seriously pose a problem to anyone in the forum. Let's keep going hoping that someday a new forum software might emerge. 
April 16, 2024, 05:25:14 PM
It wouldn’t be a bad idea to get it removed but the question remains is it actually necessary to do so? I would have actually gone with idea that it should be removed if at all if someone uses it and the merit goes through by allowing to send to yourself but since the options is blocks you off then there is no problem like mistake of sending to your self. Also although o don’t have much knowledge about this patches, but wouldn’t create more of a problem eliminating that button only for yourself, if it were to be a easy fix then no problem but something tells me it will mostly affects like plenty areas on the patch, which to me wouldn’t worth the hassle.
April 16, 2024, 05:21:41 PM
When I go through a post of other members, I will see the link to a merit page which can be used to merit the particular post that you have just read. If it is my own post, I can not merit it. Then why should merit link to give merit to a post be seen on my own post when I can not merit myself. I think something should be done for us not to see the merit link on our own posts. Only other people's posts should the merit link be seen.
I also noticed same thing, but I never bothered to ask because seems that's how it has been right from when I have not joined the forum. Once you make comment on a topic, you will definitely see the merit button on that your comment but when you try to merit your self, it wouldn't work. That's how the coding of the website was done, it was code in such a way that anyone who makes comment on each topic will have a merit menu on their commet but button will be non functional. I don't have problem with it being there as long as I don't pay attention to it and I feel it's not even right to award merit to yourself. Other people should be the one to appreciate your comment by giving it merit and not doing it by yourself.
April 16, 2024, 05:13:22 PM
Yes thats very true Op just like you won't find edit post button and delete post button on another users post except you are obviously moderator. If I get you correctly , what you are making is suggestion that there should be no merit button for self posts and threads.In that case I think it would be more direct to make the topic something like;
Anyways I am just a basic code writer so I really can't tell how difficult it would be to make such edit nor can I suggest way to edit it. Anyways let's just hope that theymos and the Bitcointalk developer team would consider this suggestion.
Code:
[Suggestion]Merit button for OP's posts
Anyways I am just a basic code writer so I really can't tell how difficult it would be to make such edit nor can I suggest way to edit it. Anyways let's just hope that theymos and the Bitcointalk developer team would consider this suggestion.
April 16, 2024, 05:04:47 PM
When I go through a post of other members, I will see the link to a merit page which can be used to merit the particular post that you have just read. If it is my own post, I can not merit it. Then why should merit link to give merit to a post be seen on my own post when I can not merit myself. I think something should be done for us not to see the merit link on our own posts. Only other people's posts should the merit link be seen.
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