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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on May 19, 2023, 06:04:34 PM

Quote from: Onset on May 19, 2023, 04:31:10 PM

Throwback to last year, there were only few mixers you’d be able to pick from. .

Fast forward to this day, there are so many mixers you can now choose from!

why is that?

Coinomize was launched in May 2019.

Sinbad was launched in 2022.

Yomixer was launched in 2022.

UniJoin Bitcoin mixer was launched in 2022.

I'm not sure when Mixero was launched, but they created their own thread on this forum on November 2022.

The only mixer that was Lounched this year is the Whirlwind.

So, you are wrong to say that a lot of Bitcoin mixers were lounched this year. Most of them have existed, but they have not been advertised on the forum yet through signatures.

Also, the reason for more Bitcoin mixers being in existence is to increase anonymity in Bitcoin transactions. For example, if there are people who have passed different KYCs on different platforms where they bought their Bitcoin, those platforms can still track the individual through their KYC details and login IP, but if, after buying Bitcoin on CEX, you mix your Bitcoin on the mixer, your coin cannot be tracked again because the mixers help to protect their privacy.

The list of Bitcoin mixers out they go on and on more than many people know and the problem is makes our projects are now a big target for the government and the law agencies around the world they believe that people are using these services to a zero money and hide from possible arrests by the the law enforcement agencies.

So the Bitcoin mixers that doubts their privacies have only one option left, and that's to hide themselves from Plain Sight and not advertise their mixer services that very much, they decide to do things on low-key.

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Quote from: Onset on May 19, 2023, 04:31:10 PM

Throwback to last year, there were only few mixers you’d be able to pick from. And even these were for the most part unknown and you couldn’t tell much about how safe they are and whether they’re honey pots or real mixers.

Fast forward to this day, there are so many mixers you can now choose from! Which begs the question for me, why is that? I get it, Chipmixer is down so some people saw an opportunity. But is this the real answer or is there some kind of service creating mixers out of thin air like those services we used to have which allowed you to create a new Altcoin in literally minutes?

To be fair and honest with you, I’m scared of using these unknown mixers especially now that new ones pop up so often.

Throwback to last year, there weren't many Bitcoin exchanges, many bitcoin ATMs, many bitcoin payment processors, there wasn't BTCPayserver. This is a business man, this is a brand new business industry and when it's fresh, we should expect a development of a lot of services over time. There may be many services at some point but over time, the competition, fair or unfair, will takeover others and the number of active businesses will narrow but the successor ones will establish more and improve their services.

Bitcoin mixing is a great business, a large sum of profit is generated every minute, it's not hard to get customers, things are done online. I have an opposite question, I'm even curious, why don't we have even more bitcoin mixers?
There are still some old and well-run mixers, btw this business hugely depends on trust.

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Quote from: sheenshane on May 21, 2023, 06:55:12 PM

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Therefore, we've seen a lot of them coming to the market and offering the best service and even the most and best competitive fee that they can ever offer to each user.

This is very simple to guess, it might be the reason just because the most competitive Bitcoin mixer has been down and seized and now they know that they can compete with other small Bitcoin tumblers.

I'm thinking also this way.
Is it possible that Chipmixer staff or founder still operating a mixing service via a different name as we see there are too many mixing services appearing?

That's possible, maybe the staff but not the founder himself.

We don't know as it's all speculation but we know that when someone who's engage into a specific business like mixing service. They'll be back with a new branding and start freshly.

But then, we'll never know until they're the one who'll open it up that they're related to the past and most known mixing service. And as of now, let's just think that everything's gone and just gonna look at these new set of new mixing businesses.

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Quote from: Woodie on May 22, 2023, 08:56:33 AM

It might look like these mixers came on the scene after Chipmixer seizure but most of these were formed before all this happened.

True, some of these existed before CM closed down, while several new services have also developed since then.

Mixer services are a promising business, so when one of the biggest mixer services closes due to legal problems, other mixer services will become famous. Bitcoin users need privacy, not because they intend to be malicious - but they just don't want governments tracking them. It's clear that mixers can be abused, but that's not the mixer's fault - it's just misuse on the user's part.

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Quote from: Onset on May 19, 2023, 04:31:10 PM

Throwback to last year, there were only few mixers you’d be able to pick from. And even these were for the most part unknown and you couldn’t tell much about how safe they are and whether they’re honey pots or real mixers.

You're right, there were only but few ones present and active in the past but things have changed this time around that people now have many to choose from, but what matters most is the reputation they have laid, the kind of developers that are in charge of the runnings and how influential is the mixing company in the society, this could also be weigh through their financial stand, policies and conditions that surrounds their mixing company and many more.

Quote from: Onset on May 19, 2023, 04:31:10 PM

Fast forward to this day, there are so many mixers you can now choose from! Which begs the question for me, why is that? I get it, Chipmixer is down so some people saw an opportunity.

You can considers the reputation and standard chipmixer had laid and achieved while it was still operational because they went went down, those customers using them will definitely look in for more advanced mixing company to use and everything is all about competition, if you're able to meet up to the standard of what's being required by them, they will definitely patronize you, who knows maybe chipmixer may come back in the nearest future or not, but what they have made was a good reputation that their customers will always want to receive their kind, we have coinomize as well among the reputable mixers on this forum making quality delivery with an optimum service conditions as that of CM.

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It might look like these mixers came on the scene after Chipmixer seizure but most of these were formed before all this happened.
By the way, you know how people say there is strength in numbers...I believe this is the same concept to be applied here as having more of these tumblers around in the crypto industry makes them stick around more...it's like the days of piratebay and torrenting , when it was seized more came on the scene and these have never closed down as they have that multiplier effect after chopping one down.
Besides crypto being pseudonymous, we have always believed it has that anonymity to it and mixers help in doing so for the privacy conscious users.

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Quote from: dansus021 on May 19, 2023, 08:29:07 PM

Chipmixer is seized by the government and pretty much mixing is a profitable business. Just by looking at the campaign alone, you can see a bunch of it, and all of it pay a heavy amount of money for signature. The business is high profitable just like gambling that is why is all over the place and after the chipmixer is gone there is a big hole and everyone want fill that hole.

Mixing coins is business so I don't believe on the part it was Chipmixer that was clouding other mixers to spring up. Though to some extent Chipmixer was intimidating them but others had not used the right strategy to come up. And Chipmixer was popular than others, so as Chipmixer collapsed customers have to go to another mixer and there was no particular one to go by so Mixers just came up and full all corner and users are testing all to know the best.

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Quote from: Wildwest on May 22, 2023, 07:22:56 AM

There are many mixers today because of the growing development and many people who are interested in mixers, so the emergence of fake mixers who want to benefit the popularity of the original mixer so in this case we must be careful not to get caught in a fake mixer that can harm us all, and currently there is one trusted bitcoin mixer compiled directly by LeGaulois and this you can find which is the difference between fake and real, So with the presence of many mixers so that the original is less trusted because their privacy has been used by others, because they know that mixers are a big business for now so that various other sites arise that want to damage it.

On the forum, we have a lot of mixers running campaigns, you don't need to spend time looking outside to get into unnecessary trouble. If you want to use the mixer to your standards then you should visit the mixer topics we have to see the most real user reviews. From there, you can choose for yourself a suitable mixer. Yes, mixers are also a big money business, so it's no surprise that when CM closes, more companies will take advantage of this.

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Mixers are one of the growing businesses today so that competition is getting bigger, and many people want to drop and this we have often felt in business, so to choose a mixer at this time we must be careful because there are many scamers who come with the same name so it will be difficult for us to distinguish if we are not careful in choosing, And Muxer privacy is currently a lot of debate, so more and more people want to know about mixers, fake mixers are born who want to take advantage of this opportunity.

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There are many mixers today because of the growing development and many people who are interested in mixers, so the emergence of fake mixers who want to benefit the popularity of the original mixer so in this case we must be careful not to get caught in a fake mixer that can harm us all, and currently there is one trusted bitcoin mixer compiled directly by LeGaulois and this you can find which is the difference between fake and real, So with the presence of many mixers so that the original is less trusted because their privacy has been used by others, because they know that mixers are a big business for now so that various other sites arise that want to damage it.

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Congratulations on finding out that there are many more mixers out there, it's not as if they are all new, it's just that finding them is harder because most mixers have decided to stay hidden from the government, that's my own believe as I don't have any prove to back this up, because mixers are supposed to be a hidden something because the law doesn't want them to exists, I bet that the law enforcement are always online looking forward to crucifixion of all available Mixers and there is no way Mixers will ever be transparent or go centralized.

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Do you have any update OP on which service you have used?

One of the things to consider is the reputation and how many people there are to use, and having that demand for mixers is high, you would have no choice but to try different mixers instead. They are more promoted since the top used mixer is down, and having that unique technology would also be an edge. They are fighting for market superiority now for sure.

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ChipMixer is the biggest mixer in the market, and they have made a lot of money on their service, the demand for anonymity and privacy in the market is very high. So, once ChipMixer dies, there will be opportunities for others because no one wants to pass up this lucrative field. You're right, there were a lot of mixers that popped up right after the government shut down CM, and this is a good thing, not as bad as you might think. Since the more services there are, the more choices there are, diversification is always more beneficial for users than monopoly.

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Quote from: Onset on May 19, 2023, 04:31:10 PM

Fast forward to this day, there are so many mixers you can now choose from! Which begs the question for me, why is that? I get it, Chipmixer is down so some people saw an opportunity. But is this the real answer or is there some kind of service creating mixers out of thin air like those services we used to have which allowed you to create a new Altcoin in literally minutes?

To be fair and honest with you, I’m scared of using these unknown mixers especially now that new ones pop up so often.

Maybe this is the influence on of ChipMixer being down on the market. Ever since it shutdown, lots of mixers have been surfacing as ChipMixer controlled majority of the mixer services in the market. This is an opportunity for most mixers given the amount of profit that they earn in a given day.

If you are unfamiliar with a certain mixer, better ask first in this forum for feedback from other persons who have used it as well. If no feedback or information is given in a certain mixer, better avoid it for your safety and security. Only use mixers that are advertised in this forum or has ample feedback from the community so you can have an overview of their experience in using such service.

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Quote from: jossiel on May 21, 2023, 06:50:01 PM

Therefore, we've seen a lot of them coming to the market and offering the best service and even the most and best competitive fee that they can ever offer to each user.

This is very simple to guess, it might be the reason just because the most competitive Bitcoin mixer has been down and seized and now they know that they can compete with other small Bitcoin tumblers.

I'm thinking also this way.
Is it possible that Chipmixer staff or founder still operating a mixing service via a different name as we see there are too many mixing services appearing?

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on May 19, 2023, 05:36:04 PM

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When the greatest company has fell down and these competitors can't be par with them during its existence. So upon learning the news, this is an opportunity that they just can't let it pass.

There's no greatest now on this niche, market and business so, everyone is rushing as if there's a gold rush for these mixing companies to be in. That's no surprising when the competition on this niche is tough and the greatest have already been out.

It's time for each of them to get to the top as soon as they can and that's why marketing for most of the new ones have been aggressive.

i guess that's one of the major reasons why suddenly new mixers are coming to this market. CM is one of the biggest in terms of this business, and once they got out of business, definitely, people will try to fill in the empty seat. competition is good so they would want to attract their potential users by offering some sort of incentives or rewards. but we knew, only few can survive in this business.
also, be careful in choosing which mixer you would want to use. you may end up not getting your money if you happen to deal with a fly-by-night mixer.

No doubt that cm is the biggest that has ever existed but after the FBI ran over them, there's no one that's claiming that spot now so we've seen the taking over for which many have been active into taking it over through marketing.

Dunno, but we've got our preferences on which of them is likely the best currently and it's up to the likes based on how we use them. There's still a tough competition now and it's tougher because the spot for being the most known is empty.

Therefore, we've seen a lot of them coming to the market and offering the best service and even the most and best competitive fee that they can ever offer to each user.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on May 19, 2023, 06:04:34 PM

I'm not sure when Mixero was launched, but they created their own thread on this forum on November 2022.

June 2022 according to their domain registration date.

And then there is cryptomixer.io probably the oldest of them all whose journey started in January 2016. They don't even bother advertising. Perhaps because they already have a huge customer base that has been loyal to them even during the times of stiff competition from Chipmixer.

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Mixer services are used by people to improve their security and privacy in transaction matters.
Chipmixer is one of the biggest and most trusted mixers until it is finally considered problematic because there is a person accused of abusing a tumbler for illegal activity.
When the chipmixer has a problem, people who want to improve their security and privacy are looking for other Bitcoin mixer services to continue what they want.

Quote from: Onset on May 19, 2023, 04:31:10 PM

To be fair and honest with you, I’m scared of using these unknown mixers especially now that new ones pop up so often.

No need to be afraid to use a Bitcoin mixer because the goal is good because the Bitcoin mixer work system is very clear even though some parties consider using the Bitcoin mixer service is an effort to an illegal activity and is not proven at all.

If you are looking for a Bitcoin mixer service, you can try whirlwind.money that is able to improve user security and privacy.

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Quote from: Onset on May 19, 2023, 04:31:10 PM

To be fair and honest with you, I’m scared of using these unknown mixers especially now that new ones pop up so often.

I think many mixers have been around for a long time, but they are not so well known as Chipmixer. It can be said that when it comes to mixer, people will immediately think of Chipmixer, not having any other second name. But as we all know, CM is closed, and there are opportunities for other mixers as well. Everyone understands that this is the best time to replace CM, and if they win old customers from CM, they will be as strong as CM before. So I'm not too surprised to see so many mixing campaigns launch.

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Because privacy matters, and competition creates the best product for the consumer.

If you want to go down the rabbit hole, read the Chipmixer indictment by the U.S. DoJ and you'll see Bitcointalk mentioned no less than a dozen times: https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1574581/download

The feds in the U.S. have unlimited subpoena power and will force any company within their jurisdiction to comply with their demands. That means you don't actually have any privacy on platforms that know your identity. Don't be an attractive target, respect your own privacy and OPSEC, and mix your coins if you care enough about your crypto privacy. I didn't think mixing coins was too consequential until I realized that subpoenas and FISA warrants are handed out by the U.S. government like candy. You can be a normal, law abiding citizen, and still be victim to their abuse. It isn't surprising why mixers are popular.

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Quote from: Onset on May 19, 2023, 04:31:10 PM

Throwback to last year, there were only few mixers you’d be able to pick from. And even these were for the most part unknown and you couldn’t tell much about how safe they are and whether they’re honey pots or real mixers.

Fast forward to this day, there are so many mixers you can now choose from! Which begs the question for me, why is that? I get it, Chipmixer is down so some people saw an opportunity. But is this the real answer or is there some kind of service creating mixers out of thin air like those services we used to have which allowed you to create a new Altcoin in literally minutes?

To be fair and honest with you, I’m scared of using these unknown mixers especially now that new ones pop up so often.

- Well, obviously it's obvious that after the incident with the chipmixer, many mixers came out here in the forum campaign bounty,
and as far as I can see, there is nothing wrong if there are more mixers.

This is just proof that many communities here on the forum use bitcoin mixing when they do bitcoin transactions. So that's good so we can see which one is cheaper and the service they provide to their clients is also good.

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Quote from: Husires on May 19, 2023, 08:58:39 PM

Perhaps the correct question is why so many mixers are started signature campaigns here, and the reason for this is the increase in the number of users who are beginning to care about privacy, especially since solutions such as coinjoin are questionable in their ability to hide identity.

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This news was in the year 2022, and here, many users are using mixing services, and with the absence of a ChipMixer, this market has become in need of many alternatives, which are now limited to less than 6 mixing services, while in the past there were many.

That's correct; most of these mixers have been on the market for quite a few years but weren't advertised enough, due to the large user base of ChipMixer, the majority of them were overshadowed. They've now all recently started their own through signature campaigns, and their presence on the forum makes it much more prevalent now. That also shows the power signature campaigns have, which we often forget because some of us take them for granted. With ChipMixer gone, other platforms took advantage of the void in the market and took action to promote themselves to the public.

It's actually surprising that we often overlook how powerful signature campaigns are, but the truth is that if it weren't for them, we wouldn't acknowledge any of these services or platforms now.

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Quote from: BlackBoss_ on May 19, 2023, 08:39:50 PM

I see many of them have their mixers in this forum years ago. It is only their matter of failure to attract people to use their services because ChipMixer was there and so famous.

After ChipMixer was seized, those old mixers decided to run more marketing when they saw more chances to get new customers.

ChipMixer was indeed very popular on Bitcointalk and I believe their signature campaigns were among the best on the forum. However, after its seizure it created an opportunity for other mixers to emerge and attract a huge number of customers. This is why we are currently seeing many new mixers being introduced and being on use.

Quote from: BlackBoss_ on May 19, 2023, 08:39:50 PM

There are only two new mixers if I am not mixing: Whirlwind and Sinbad. Other mixers are very old.

Whirlwind and Sindbad are indeed reputable mixers, but let's not forget Unijoin either. It's a relatively new mixer and the team behind it is known for its professionalism and expertise. Unijoin has gained recognition in the mixing community and deserves consideration alongside other established mixers.

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Nobody knows the exact correct answers. It's just an assumption that the CM seizure allowed other businesses to expand. CM was a popular service, and its users had a pick an alternative service. Of course, they will choose the best mixers around. Maybe that's why we are seeing more mixers coming to the forum. I see this as positive competition. Every mixer will try to improve their service as best as possible to get Ex-CM users' attention. I would call it healthy competition.

Moreover, you don't know if CM has already started its business under a new Brand name. I wear the WhirlWind signature and avatar, and I know their service facilities. I haven't seen a mixer service without fees other than WhirlWind. Right now, the WhirlWind mixer service is entirely free. Even on-chain transactions don't charge transaction fees.

However, I don't think this discussion should be on the Bitcoin Discussion board. Does it fit here?

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Mixer services only increase their visibility more in this forum (I don't think they are anywhere else), that's why you suddenly see some mixer brands. I don't know if CM's popularity in the past was because it managed to absorb some of the users from this place, now that it's closed I think this forum is the only favorite place for ex-users to find alternatives where there are more credible testers and reviewers.

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Quote from: Outhue on May 20, 2023, 01:48:03 AM

I will never complain of too many mixers mate, why are you complaining? Many people wished that Bitcoin has privacy feature and a mixer makes it possible, so many people are now tasty of Bitcoin mixer, it's a dream come true if new mixers are showing up, most importantly if they come with new features, not all Bitcoin mixer users are criminals, some of care about their privacy, it's their way of living, they don't trust the government.

Mixers developers should try to keep their info and identity very secretly, it will be harder for the government to crack down the mixer service unless they get their hands on some information or the developers revealed who they are.

I don't think he's complaining, he's just surprised by the sudden increase in launches of mixers. And I do agree to you that this is even much better that we've got a lot of mixers and that's because everyone is valuing their privacy. But at the same time, it's also scary on what if it's the FED that has made the other new mixers and they're just trying to trap people into the usage of the mixer that they've made. Regardless of that, the increase of these mixers are good for most of us because we've got a lot of choices on where shall we increase our anonymity through the variants of theirs. If you're also satisfied with ones service, you'll stay there and at the same time the fees do matter on whichever is the most affordable yet the percentage of anonymity is better, that's where people will be going.

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Quote from: Onset on May 19, 2023, 04:31:10 PM

Throwback to last year, there were only few mixers you’d be able to pick from. And even these were for the most part unknown and you couldn’t tell much about how safe they are and whether they’re honey pots or real mixers.

But is this the real answer or is there some kind of service creating mixers out of thin air like those services we used to have which allowed you to create a new Altcoin in literally minutes?

To be fair and honest with you, I’m scared of using these unknown mixers especially now that new ones pop up so often.

The most popular mixer I knew was Chipmixer, and since they've been locked by FBI/Europol, this has been a good opportunity for new ones and the old competitors. It would have been nice if you could name many of the mixers you referred to, this is because it might surprise you the time some of them have even started, they are now been noticed after Chipmixer was gone.

Also, mixing algorithms and systems might be a bit difficult when it was first started, but the mechanism is already known now, so anyone good with coding could write it and start the business as easily as that. You should expect more in due course, only you have to be careful and use the ones you trust since mixers scam too.

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The demand for this array is also very large although I can't find specific figures for that but I understand that users and suppliers always have a relationship to lead to an area that can grow. There is a lot of information surrounding the fact that more products have appeared recently, but in my opinion the fact that users have a great need to use them is still a big factor, although so far it is still a thing. something is very negative in the crypto environment and is trusted by many people but when something familiar goes wrong, many parties take advantage of it to compete for market share with each other.

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I will never complain of too many mixers mate, why are you complaining? Many people wished that Bitcoin has privacy feature and a mixer makes it possible, so many people are now tasty of Bitcoin mixer, it's a dream come true if new mixers are showing up, most importantly if they come with new features, not all Bitcoin mixer users are criminals, some of care about their privacy, it's their way of living, they don't trust the government.

Mixers developers should try to keep their info and identity very secretly, it will be harder for the government to crack down the mixer service unless they get their hands on some information or the developers revealed who they are.

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The reason is that people still want privacy for their coins and transactions even after CM was seized by the authorities and all those in race have come up with new promotions and signature campaign on forum to attract people to use their service and boost up their user base.They might be there earlier also but Chipmixer was the most famous and well known mixing service that others were not used much but now they have open space so you see lot of them competing here and providing their services.

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Quote from: retreat on May 20, 2023, 01:07:51 AM

It's simple. Because when CM was successful, it was quite difficult for new mixers to be able to fight against their popularity, and then when it was blocked, these new mixers had the courage to launch their services to be able to get users who previously used CM services. They tried their luck to get CM users before and maybe if they succeed they will be as big as CM. However, I am sure that of the many mixers that have appeared, there must have been some that went bankrupt due to competition.

The mixers that are becoming popular on bitcointallk were already existing, after chipmixer unfortunate seizure, the other mixers are now becoming popular due to them launching their service on the forum. Before they all knew chipmixer was already dominating the forum because they had the best posters and nobody can compete with their payrate but now since they're out of the market others can shine.

A conspiracy theory might be, chipmixer has opened other mixers immediately or secretly bought the already existing ones and now marketing them just as they marketed chipmixer and made it very popular. They're trying the same strategy for the newly acquired mixers.

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It's simple. Because when CM was successful, it was quite difficult for new mixers to be able to fight against their popularity, and then when it was blocked, these new mixers had the courage to launch their services to be able to get users who previously used CM services. They tried their luck to get CM users before and maybe if they succeed they will be as big as CM. However, I am sure that of the many mixers that have appeared, there must have been some that went bankrupt due to competition.

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Perhaps the chipmixer's demise is part of the reason because it's really an opportunity for other mixers. Another thing is that we can see the government increasing regulations to control us more tightly. So it's no surprise that many people are looking for solutions to further keep their privacy.
You are right, there are many mixers on the market lately, but I think you need not worry. Instead, this is good for us because with the competition of mixers, users like us will benefit from more, more choices and other incentives when they compete with each other.

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Quote from: DaveF on May 19, 2023, 04:55:12 PM

3) Privacy is being discussed more and more so more people are looking for mixers

I can't say for sure but I believe this is part of the main reason.
If there were no demands, then there would be no supply. Simple economics. Probably not as many people saw the use for mixers one or maybe two years ago but they do now due to more awareness.
I for one saw a need for mixers after I joined the forum and I joined the forum towards the end of last year.

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Seizure of Chipmixer created big void in the bitcoin mixing service business so others think that they can utilise this void ti fill and bad some money and it makes sense too. Mixers aren't creating the chips out of thin air they just deliver you bitcoin from another track record instead of yours to break the link between you and your coins.

Many new bitcoin mixers have their ANN in bitcointalk too so where you can visit and get the feedback from people who tried their service which will be helpful for you to choose the right one.

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Quote from: Onset on May 19, 2023, 04:31:10 PM

Throwback to last year, there were only few mixers you’d be able to pick from. And even these were for the most part unknown and you couldn’t tell much about how safe they are and whether they’re honey pots or real mixers.

Fast forward to this day, there are so many mixers you can now choose from! Which begs the question for me, why is that? I get it, Chipmixer is down so some people saw an opportunity. But is this the real answer or is there some kind of service creating mixers out of thin air like those services we used to have which allowed you to create a new Altcoin in literally minutes?

To be fair and honest with you, I’m scared of using these unknown mixers especially now that new ones pop up so often.

i think it's because there is a website where you can become a partner and make your own mixer website. You can visit this website https://jambler.io/become-seller.php, if you became a partner they will provide the website template and mixer script too.
they already have around 6 partners that you can use to mix your bitcoin.

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Perhaps the correct question is why so many mixers are started signature campaigns here, and the reason for this is the increase in the number of users who are beginning to care about privacy, especially since solutions such as coinjoin are questionable in their ability to hide identity.

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This news was in the year 2022, and here, many users are using mixing services, and with the absence of a ChipMixer, this market has become in need of many alternatives, which are now limited to less than 6 mixing services, while in the past there were many.

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Quote from: Onset on May 19, 2023, 04:31:10 PM

Fast forward to this day, there are so many mixers you can now choose from! Which begs the question for me, why is that? I get it, Chipmixer is down so some people saw an opportunity. But is this the real answer or is there some kind of service creating mixers out of thin air like those services we used to have which allowed you to create a new Altcoin in literally minutes?

I see many of them have their mixers in this forum years ago. It is only their matter of failure to attract people to use their services because ChipMixer was there and so famous.

After ChipMixer was seized, those old mixers decided to run more marketing when they saw more chances to get new customers.

There are only two new mixers if I am not mixing: Whirlwind and Sinbad. Other mixers are very old.

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Chipmixer is seized by the government and pretty much mixing is a profitable business. Just by looking at the campaign alone, you can see a bunch of it, and all of it pay a heavy amount of money for signature. The business is high profitable just like gambling that is why is all over the place and after the chipmixer is gone there is a big hole and everyone want fill that hole.

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After the largest mixer was seized by the authorities, there must be a lot of people who were looking for alternatives. There wasn't much options around. Developers must have noticed this and come up with new ones. Meanwhile, the likes of Sinbad, for example, which has been around since Chipmixer's time rose to the fore. They must have thought it was their perfect time to shine.

So there was a sort of meeting halfway. Privacy-conscious people were searching for a new mixer to transfer to. Developers responded to the market demand.

However, it must also concern people that Chipmixer left with trust and confidence issues.

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Quote from: TelolettOm on May 19, 2023, 07:46:53 PM

When it is fallen, those Bitcoin mixers have a chance to be popular mixers. So, they pushed efforts by advertising them through the signature campaign in this forum.

I'm not convinced that they decided to advertise because Chipmixer is no longer operational though. If I'm not wrong, some mixers already promoted themselves even before Chipmixer closed down. Sure, some of them increase their budget, but they already have a relatively high budget to begin with. If anything, I guess they find that signature advertising is one of the most effective ways to build their brand awareness compared to other alternatives.

Quote from: TelolettOm on May 19, 2023, 07:46:53 PM

Moreover, there are many issues about hackers, people are afraid about their Bitcoin assets. One of the ways to prevent hackers is people use mixers to make their Bitcoins unable to track.

Is there any case where a hacker knows what address you own and then simply 'hacks' your wallet? That being said, what you said definitely relates to privacy issues. If anything, they can send spam e-mails or something similar if they find your personal information.

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Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on May 19, 2023, 06:04:34 PM

So, you are wrong to say that a lot of Bitcoin mixers were lounched this year. Most of them have existed, but they have not been advertised on the forum yet through signatures.

Agree. Most Bitcoin mixers already existed before this year, they just become popular now since they are promoted in this forum now. Why they are just promoted/advertised currently? It probably has a correlation with the fall of Chipmixer. Chipmixer is the most popular mixer previously, people even only know Chipmixer as a Bitcoin mixer. It is impossible to compete Chipmixer in this forum, especially when it was promoted by almost all top members. When it is fallen, those Bitcoin mixers have a chance to be popular mixers. So, they pushed efforts by advertising them through the signature campaign in this forum.

Quote from: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on May 19, 2023, 06:04:34 PM

Also, the reason for more Bitcoin mixers being in existence is to increase anonymity in Bitcoin transactions. For example, if there are people who have passed different KYCs on different platforms where they bought their Bitcoin, those platforms can still track the individual through their KYC details and login IP, but if, after buying Bitcoin on CEX, you mix your Bitcoin on the mixer, your coin cannot be tracked again because the mixers help to protect their privacy.

The need for privacy may also be another reason. Moreover, there are many issues about hackers, people are afraid about their Bitcoin assets. One of the ways to prevent hackers is people use mixers to make their Bitcoins unable to track. Towards the bullrun season, people add more Bitcoin to their wallets. So, the demand for mixers is raising due to this matter.

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Quote from: Onset on May 19, 2023, 04:31:10 PM

Throwback to last year, there were only few mixers you’d be able to pick from. And even these were for the most part unknown and you couldn’t tell much about how safe they are and whether they’re honey pots or real mixers.

Fast forward to this day, there are so many mixers you can now choose from! Which begs the question for me, why is that? I get it, Chipmixer is down so some people saw an opportunity. But is this the real answer or is there some kind of service creating mixers out of thin air like those services we used to have which allowed you to create a new Altcoin in literally minutes?

To be fair and honest with you, I’m scared of using these unknown mixers especially now that new ones pop up so often.

Supply and demand. ChipMixer was a solution that was seemingly unbeatable. It had (seemingly) good administration, it was (seemingly) untouchable and it (seemingly) did the job for those looking for privacy. As soon as it was seized, many old mixers began their advertising campaigns and news ones stepped in to try and take some of the large market-share wedge that ChipMixer left behind, with the additional opportunity of being a 'better' solution.

I don't believe there is white-label software for mixers as DaveF said. However if this is true, that would definitely lower the entry barrier and allow virtually anyone to get into the market cheaply and easily.

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There is no longer a tough competition, and the mixers that you are seeing which are appearing now were the ones that used to be on the sidelines barely existing. They are trying their best to advertise their services to hopefully get the market share that CM left. There may be a lot of other factors that we might not know, but we all know that the major one is Chipmixer leaving the scene. Most of these services also existed years before, too, so no they are not appearing like mushrooms during a thunderstorm.

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I think Dave said it all, chipmixer was a force that couldn't be contended with, for as long as it was running, it was like it buried every other mixers to the background, if we try to find out when this other mixers were launched, we might discover that most of them were not launched this year, some were probably launched last year, and other launched the year before last year, but the presence of chipmixer seemed to have thwarted all their efforts to try to come to the limelight, and now that chipmixer is no more, we see all of the other mixers springing up, like they were launched yesterday, it's like a jailer that died, and the prisoners set free.

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Quote from: Onset on May 19, 2023, 04:31:10 PM

Throwback to last year, there were only few mixers you’d be able to pick from. .

Fast forward to this day, there are so many mixers you can now choose from!

why is that?

Coinomize was launched in May 2019.

Sinbad was launched in 2022.

Yomixer was launched in 2022.

UniJoin Bitcoin mixer was launched in 2022.

I'm not sure when Mixero was launched, but they created their own thread on this forum on November 2022.

The only mixer that was Lounched this year is the Whirlwind.

So, you are wrong to say that a lot of Bitcoin mixers were lounched this year. Most of them have existed, but they have not been advertised on the forum yet through signatures.

Also, the reason for more Bitcoin mixers being in existence is to increase anonymity in Bitcoin transactions. For example, if there are people who have passed different KYCs on different platforms where they bought their Bitcoin, those platforms can still track the individual through their KYC details and login IP, but if, after buying Bitcoin on CEX, you mix your Bitcoin on the mixer, your coin cannot be tracked again because the mixers help to protect their privacy.

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Maybe you weren't so observant back then, but there were a fair number of mixers around before Chipmixer came into the picture and even after they established themselves. The difference is they weren't advertising so much in the forum like Chipmixer did. Bestmixer's and bitblender's stay was short-lived, but they were two of the few mixers that tried to compete with Chipmixer while advertising here in the forum. After their demise, Chipmixer remained dominant until recently.

Yomix among other mixers were operational some months before Chipmixer was shutdown.

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Firstly, the Chipmixer case, which involved the shutdown of a popular cryptocurrency mixing service, created a void in the market. This event drew attention to the importance of privacy and the need for reliable alternatives. It prompted both existing and new projects to step up and fill the gap by offering their own mixing services.

Secondly, competition among these mixers plays a role in their proliferation. Each project aims to attract customers and establish a strong presence in the market. With the ongoing discussions and publicity surrounding privacy in the cryptocurrency industry, these mixers see an opportunity to capture the attention of users who are seeking secure and private transactions.

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Because privacy become more uncommon these days, from different crypto regulations and the rise of chain analysis. Also, there's a huge market in crypto mixers, not just for bitcoin but for some alts too.

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Quote from: jossiel on May 19, 2023, 05:29:24 PM

When the greatest company has fell down and these competitors can't be par with them during its existence. So upon learning the news, this is an opportunity that they just can't let it pass.

There's no greatest now on this niche, market and business so, everyone is rushing as if there's a gold rush for these mixing companies to be in. That's no surprising when the competition on this niche is tough and the greatest have already been out.

It's time for each of them to get to the top as soon as they can and that's why marketing for most of the new ones have been aggressive.

i guess that's one of the major reasons why suddenly new mixers are coming to this market. CM is one of the biggest in terms of this business, and once they got out of business, definitely, people will try to fill in the empty seat. competition is good so they would want to attract their potential users by offering some sort of incentives or rewards. but we knew, only few can survive in this business.
also, be careful in choosing which mixer you would want to use. you may end up not getting your money if you happen to deal with a fly-by-night mixer.

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Quote from: Smartvirus on May 19, 2023, 04:58:36 PM

Why many mixers all of a sudden?
Well, you could say the fall or Chipmixer case has brought about these projects coming to look out for customers they could grab from the on going propaganda but, its also possible that,
These guys weren't doing his publicity on there project and just feels its time to get things running which still boils down to grabbing more customers.

Still, you could say the projects sprang out of the need for a more valued service and privacy oriented nature of the cryptocurrency industry.
I tell you this, without privacy, the cryptocurrency industry would be a meaning short. Hence, I would probect Yomix.io to mix your legitimate coins Tor you and ensure privacy without compromise.

Funny that I saw a couple of people already mentioning that it's because Chipmixer was gone, when even during Nov 2022 a lot of mixers have been popping up out of nowhere. I guess it's just because there's money to be made in this type of cryptocurrency business, and since there's not much work really, especially if you're White label mixers like what DaveF mentioned since there's not much work to do it, which means more cashflow for these people. It's still probable that it's because of Chipmixer that these mixers suddenly gained confidence, but that only counts for those that have been here after Feb, for the rest of the bunch, I don't think that's the reasons for their existence.

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When the greatest company has fell down and these competitors can't be par with them during its existence. So upon learning the news, this is an opportunity that they just can't let it pass.

There's no greatest now on this niche, market and business so, everyone is rushing as if there's a gold rush for these mixing companies to be in. That's no surprising when the competition on this niche is tough and the greatest have already been out.

It's time for each of them to get to the top as soon as they can and that's why marketing for most of the new ones have been aggressive.

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Quote from: Onset on May 19, 2023, 04:31:10 PM

To be fair and honest with you, I’m scared of using these unknown mixers especially now that new ones pop up so often.

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Why many mixers all of a sudden?
Well, you could say the fall or Chipmixer case has brought about these projects coming to look out for customers they could grab from the on going propaganda but, its also possible that,
These guys weren't doing his publicity on there project and just feels its time to get things running which still boils down to grabbing more customers.

Still, you could say the projects sprang out of the need for a more valued service and privacy oriented nature of the cryptocurrency industry.
I tell you this, without privacy, the cryptocurrency industry would be a meaning short. Hence, I would probect Yomix.io to mix your legitimate coins Tor you and ensure privacy without compromise.

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Probably a bit of a few things

1) CM is gone and other ones that were small / under used are now being used & promoted more. It was tough to fight CM
2) CM is gone and people who were thinking about setting one up decided to see if they could make a go at it
3) Privacy is being discussed more and more so more people are looking for mixers
4) Some are probably 'white label' mixers [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White-label_product ] so spinning one up was not much work.
5) Other?

Could be other reasons too but I would think those 4 are the big ones.

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Throwback to last year, there were only few mixers you’d be able to pick from. And even these were for the most part unknown and you couldn’t tell much about how safe they are and whether they’re honey pots or real mixers.

Fast forward to this day, there are so many mixers you can now choose from! Which begs the question for me, why is that? I get it, Chipmixer is down so some people saw an opportunity. But is this the real answer or is there some kind of service creating mixers out of thin air like those services we used to have which allowed you to create a new Altcoin in literally minutes?

To be fair and honest with you, I’m scared of using these unknown mixers especially now that new ones pop up so often.

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