Why so many planes crashing/disappearing recently?

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Quote from: petestheman on July 26, 2014, 06:02:09 AM

Money is the reason so many things happen whether it was that the planes did not care about conditions because canceling flights would mean loosing revenue or if it is because (crazy theory ahead) they singled people out and figured this is the easiest way of killing them (Assassin job not likely). It might be because they are taking shortcuts to save on money. But in the end Airlines and the Aviation industry JUST WANTS MONEYBTCBTCBTCBTCBTC

Well, they are a business so of course they're in it for the money.

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Quote from: Wesley on July 25, 2014, 06:53:34 AM

The general consensus seems to be:

MH370 = unknown
MH17 = accidentally shot down by pro-Russian rebels
Taiwan plane = typhoon/weather
Algerian plane = weather/thunderstorm/lightning strike?

None of them seem to have been caused by a technical fault in the actual plane (i.e. from shoddy maintenance) but were instead caused by forces outside the plane's control.

are you sure about the first one and the technical fault? If it would be kidnapped it would be found somewhere by now. I believe that MH370 was flying too low and shark jumped out of the sea and grabed engine, than plane crashed. Seriously i think it was an technical mistake.

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Thats really unfortunate for government & the authorities, who made minor mistakes but left a big gap in their security & systems. Huh

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This is only a coincidence. Although has the probability of this matter to be very low. But appeared
mourns the loss of innocent life

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Quote from: Nemo1024 on July 25, 2014, 04:53:12 AM

Quote from: TaunSew on July 25, 2014, 02:30:06 AM

There's also been a rise in low cost airlines too, ironically you get what you pay for - an airplane which crashes midair.

A slogan:
You pay half the price, we get you half the way!

This is a morbid joke! I'm sorry I laughed!

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Money is the reason so many things happen whether it was that the planes did not care about conditions because canceling flights would mean loosing revenue or if it is because (crazy theory ahead) they singled people out and figured this is the easiest way of killing them (Assassin job not likely). It might be because they are taking shortcuts to save on money. But in the end Airlines and the Aviation industry JUST WANTS MONEYBTCBTCBTCBTCBTC

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Quote from: Malin Keshar on July 24, 2014, 08:37:27 AM

The MH17 in Ukraine that everyone know about.
The Taiwan plane crash that killed 48 people:

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/23/world/asia/taiwan-plane-crash/

And now the Algerian one carrying 110+ people:

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/24/world/africa/air-algerie-flight/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Not counting the super stealth plane that disappeared somewhere near Malasya last year and still no clue about what happened.

Is this just coincidence, or something behind this? From generalized lack of investments in security from the airline companies to maybe selective killings or some diversion to something that is happening or going to happen?

What goes up must come down?

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Quote from: Malin Keshar on July 24, 2014, 08:37:27 AM

The MH17 in Ukraine that everyone know about.
The Taiwan plane crash that killed 48 people:

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/23/world/asia/taiwan-plane-crash/

And now the Algerian one carrying 110+ people:

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/24/world/africa/air-algerie-flight/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Not counting the super stealth plane that disappeared somewhere near Malasya last year and still no clue about what happened.

Is this just coincidence, or something behind this? From generalized lack of investments in security from the airline companies to maybe selective killings or some diversion to something that is happening or going to happen?

flights need to get less expensive....

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This crash may not have been pilot error past the point where he got the plane airborne as the crash seems to have occurred more or less right after takeoff. If the engines sucked in then they would lose thrust and probably have engine failure. That may explain why the plane seems to have crashes at such a steep angle.

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Even when the chances of one plane crashing is low, over time you will see a larger number of planes crash in a short period of time. It is simply the law of probability.

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Law of large numbers at played.

As human population increase, certain small events can be observed and played out more often.

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Quote from: Wesley on July 25, 2014, 06:53:34 AM

The general consensus seems to be:

MH370 = unknown
MH17 = accidentally shot down by pro-Russian rebels
Taiwan plane = typhoon/weather
Algerian plane = weather/thunderstorm/lightning strike?

None of them seem to have been caused by a technical fault in the actual plane (i.e. from shoddy maintenance) but were instead caused by forces outside the plane's control.

So 3 of these are pilot error, if you include the one shot down as pilot error for flying over a hot war zone.

Given the facts about MH370, we lean strongly that it was action by pilots, if not "pilot error".

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Quote from: Daniel91 on July 25, 2014, 09:29:40 AM

In second case, they wanted to save money on petrol and didn't want to change route of the plane.
this was tragic mistake.

There is one problem there. If that plane followed its normal Southern route over Azov Sea, it would have been fine. The Ukrainian ATC instructed it to deviate much further north and assume a lower altitude. And then SBU confiscated the ATC tape recordings. Not even after the KAL-007 downing over the Sea of Japan were the tapes confiscated, which allowed later investigators to find recorded communication with the plane from Narita, Tokyo up to 46 minutes after its supposed shootdown over Sakhalin. It seems that this time such blunder will be avoided by doctoring the tapes, if ever they get released at all.

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Quote from: Malin Keshar on July 24, 2014, 08:37:27 AM

The MH17 in Ukraine that everyone know about.
The Taiwan plane crash that killed 48 people:

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/23/world/asia/taiwan-plane-crash/

And now the Algerian one carrying 110+ people:

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/24/world/africa/air-algerie-flight/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Not counting the super stealth plane that disappeared somewhere near Malasya last year and still no clue about what happened.

Is this just coincidence, or something behind this? From generalized lack of investments in security from the airline companies to maybe selective killings or some diversion to something that is happening or going to happen?

I don't see any conspiracy here, in the case of malasya airlines maybe even not coincidence.
Why?
In both cases their officials made mistakes.
It's obvious that in first case pilot had strange behavior (before the flight) and they should know this or at least check out their pilots more regularly.
In second case, they wanted to save money on petrol and didn't want to change route of the plane.
this was tragic mistake.
Of course we can't blame them as directly responsible but such 3 events in very short time really can't be coincidence in my opinion.

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Sequence of bad luck.

Airline industry and tourism may take a big hit.

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what alien conspiracy?

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Quote from: roslinpl on July 25, 2014, 06:59:18 AM

Quote from: Nemo1024 on July 25, 2014, 04:53:12 AM

Quote from: TaunSew on July 25, 2014, 02:30:06 AM

There's also been a rise in low cost airlines too, ironically you get what you pay for - an airplane which crashes midair.

A slogan:
You pay half the price, we get you half the way!

Omg ... that is brutal ...

I won't even laugh ... as I want to pay always full price in that case ...

I must say one thing - it is horrible when we hear about plane crashes..

But still when we do our math ... more people die everyday in their cars killed by an accident that in airplanes.
So still ... flying is less dangerous than driving.

There is no correlation between driving and airplanes. In both situation you can die, there's no way to rule that out.
That said, airplane pilots only get paid once they're in the air - and usually have enormous debts and a low salary.. they often fly with too few fuel and have to make an emergancy stop. It's logical that.. such situations occur.

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Quote from: Nemo1024 on July 25, 2014, 04:53:12 AM

Quote from: TaunSew on July 25, 2014, 02:30:06 AM

There's also been a rise in low cost airlines too, ironically you get what you pay for - an airplane which crashes midair.

A slogan:
You pay half the price, we get you half the way!

Omg ... that is brutal ...

I won't even laugh ... as I want to pay always full price in that case ...

I must say one thing - it is horrible when we hear about plane crashes..

But still when we do our math ... more people die everyday in their cars killed by an accident that in airplanes.
So still ... flying is less dangerous than driving.

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The general consensus seems to be:

MH370 = unknown
MH17 = accidentally shot down by pro-Russian rebels
Taiwan plane = typhoon/weather
Algerian plane = weather/thunderstorm/lightning strike?

None of them seem to have been caused by a technical fault in the actual plane (i.e. from shoddy maintenance) but were instead caused by forces outside the plane's control.

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The crashes are not caused by jets's own flaws. There are outside causes those aren't controlled, such as weather, missilery.Relating to any conspiracy theory is fantasy tale.

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Well we should give the airline the benefit of the doubt with respect to maintenance. I think the issue the plane was facing was flying through hazardous sandstorms. Perhaps in an effort to not lose money they choose to continue the flight even when a significant risk existed. That could be negligence.

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Quote from: TaunSew on July 25, 2014, 02:30:06 AM

Quote from: Malin Keshar on July 24, 2014, 01:25:49 PM

Quote from: roslinpl on July 24, 2014, 08:45:23 AM

Quote from: Malin Keshar on July 24, 2014, 08:37:27 AM

The MH17 in Ukraine that everyone know about.
The Taiwan plane crash that killed 48 people:

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/23/world/asia/taiwan-plane-crash/

And now the Algerian one carrying 110+ people:

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/24/world/africa/air-algerie-flight/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Not counting the super stealth plane that disappeared somewhere near Malasya last year and still no clue about what happened.

Is this just coincidence, or something behind this? From generalized lack of investments in security from the airline companies to maybe selective killings or some diversion to something that is happening or going to happen?

All of those crashes were not connected together so far as I know.

Do you have any conspiracy theory to share with us?
Wink

We all know that the air transport industry is less and less profitable everyday, so my fear is that it might be starting to reflect in the quality control of planes pieces, and in the concern of the flying companies about security. Since I have almost 0 knowledge about the civil private plane industry, I have no way to check if my thinking might be true or not, so this thread.

We also are open to conspiracy theories like the 2-2-7-7 because they are fun.

Yeah this is probably the most correct answer so far. Dropping revenue means companies are taking short cuts, like cutting back on maintenance or using cheaper parts, to maintain their net profits. There's also been a rise in low cost airlines too, ironically you get what you pay for - an airplane which crashes midair.

That's a pretty good theory, but I think the risk of the plane crashing and subsequent settlements far outweigh the costs of maintenance.

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Quote from: TaunSew on July 25, 2014, 02:30:06 AM

There's also been a rise in low cost airlines too, ironically you get what you pay for - an airplane which crashes midair.

A slogan:
You pay half the price, we get you half the way!

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Quote from: Malin Keshar on July 24, 2014, 01:25:49 PM

Quote from: roslinpl on July 24, 2014, 08:45:23 AM

Quote from: Malin Keshar on July 24, 2014, 08:37:27 AM

The MH17 in Ukraine that everyone know about.
The Taiwan plane crash that killed 48 people:

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/23/world/asia/taiwan-plane-crash/

And now the Algerian one carrying 110+ people:

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/24/world/africa/air-algerie-flight/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Not counting the super stealth plane that disappeared somewhere near Malasya last year and still no clue about what happened.

Is this just coincidence, or something behind this? From generalized lack of investments in security from the airline companies to maybe selective killings or some diversion to something that is happening or going to happen?

All of those crashes were not connected together so far as I know.

Do you have any conspiracy theory to share with us?
Wink

We all know that the air transport industry is less and less profitable everyday, so my fear is that it might be starting to reflect in the quality control of planes pieces, and in the concern of the flying companies about security. Since I have almost 0 knowledge about the civil private plane industry, I have no way to check if my thinking might be true or not, so this thread.

We also are open to conspiracy theories like the 2-2-7-7 because they are fun.

Yeah this is probably the most correct answer so far. Dropping revenue means companies are taking short cuts, like cutting back on maintenance or using cheaper parts, to maintain their net profits. There's also been a rise in low cost airlines too, ironically you get what you pay for - an airplane which crashes midair.

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I cannot think of a conspiracy about it but it was definitely alarming.

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What's the 2-2-7-7 conspiracy?

Is the show 227 coming back, 7 days a week?

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Quote from: roslinpl on July 24, 2014, 08:45:23 AM

Quote from: Malin Keshar on July 24, 2014, 08:37:27 AM

The MH17 in Ukraine that everyone know about.
The Taiwan plane crash that killed 48 people:

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/23/world/asia/taiwan-plane-crash/

And now the Algerian one carrying 110+ people:

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/24/world/africa/air-algerie-flight/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Not counting the super stealth plane that disappeared somewhere near Malasya last year and still no clue about what happened.

Is this just coincidence, or something behind this? From generalized lack of investments in security from the airline companies to maybe selective killings or some diversion to something that is happening or going to happen?

All of those crashes were not connected together so far as I know.

Do you have any conspiracy theory to share with us?
Wink

We all know that the air transport industry is less and less profitable everyday, so my fear is that it might be starting to reflect in the quality control of planes pieces, and in the concern of the flying companies about security. Since I have almost 0 knowledge about the civil private plane industry, I have no way to check if my thinking might be true or not, so this thread.

We also are open to conspiracy theories like the 2-2-7-7 because they are fun.

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I've already told you all about this. It's in the 2-2-7-7 thread. Prophecies coming true.

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Quote from: Malin Keshar on July 24, 2014, 08:37:27 AM

The MH17 in Ukraine that everyone know about.
The Taiwan plane crash that killed 48 people:

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/23/world/asia/taiwan-plane-crash/

And now the Algerian one carrying 110+ people:

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/24/world/africa/air-algerie-flight/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Not counting the super stealth plane that disappeared somewhere near Malasya last year and still no clue about what happened.

Is this just coincidence, or something behind this? From generalized lack of investments in security from the airline companies to maybe selective killings or some diversion to something that is happening or going to happen?

All of those crashes were not connected together so far as I know.

Do you have any conspiracy theory to share with us?
Wink

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Hmm... Three major plane crashes in the space of a week is indeed quite bizarre.

Quote from: Malin Keshar on July 24, 2014, 08:37:27 AM

Not counting the super stealth plane that disappeared somewhere near Malasya last year and still no clue about what happened.

That happened this year too. Not last year. March 8 was the date. It was definitely unprecedented for a modern jet to simply vanish without a trace. Nothing found on the sea floor and no wreckage spotted or washed up. Very odd.

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The MH17 in Ukraine that everyone know about.
The Taiwan plane crash that killed 48 people:

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/23/world/asia/taiwan-plane-crash/

And now the Algerian one carrying 110+ people:

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/24/world/africa/air-algerie-flight/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Not counting the super stealth plane that disappeared somewhere near Malasya last year and still no clue about what happened.

Is this just coincidence, or something behind this? From generalized lack of investments in security from the airline companies to maybe selective killings or some diversion to something that is happening or going to happen?

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