Topic: why to make multiple accounts ?? (Read 2424 times)

No. Moderators can not see / look for alt accounts via any specific forum tools. The admins are the only ones with access to those.

You just need someone who is going to be very strict, i.e. with a strong evaluation and review policy.

That is why mods should be the ones managing signature campaigns that don't want multiple alt accounts joining them. The mods can track the accounts and blacklist them so that they can't join some signature campaigns.

yes you can have multiple accounts here in the forum and yes as per terms and conditions of most campaign only one account per user is allowed tho there are probably some users have multiple accounts in the same signature campaign as it will be hard to trace who is who if you are very careful posting something that you can be linked to other of your accounts such as the same bitcoin address

you can use one bitcoin address in all of your accounts but ofcourse you will be caught and you are risking your accounts getting red, its not a problem generating new bitcoin addresses if you want

You do have to post constructively with your account(s) if you make multiple ones.
Although, if you have a maximum of 100 posts/week like most campaigns have, then there' not really much point in making multiple ones is there (unless you spend a large amount of time here and think you can post that amount)?
You can use the same bitcoin address in all of the accounts or you can use different onces. If you plan on having multiple accounts it's recommended that you suggest that they are owned by you so you don't get negative trust. One of the ways that this is done is by using to trust system to report them (although, if you aren't considering scamming on them then that may not be neccessary - but is obviously recommended).

You're the only one who seems to think it does involve farming trust.  Everyone else seems to accept the idea that an advertizer might want to hire 10 people not 10 'accounts'.  You seem to be the only one who can't accept that 10 accounts is not 10 minds, and that an advertizer may want to actually pay 10 separate minds to post their content, not 1 person doing their damnedest to simulate 10 minds. 


Yah, we know you see no reason to assume that.  We think it may be related to your army of shills and your particular world-view of the fractured person as many accounts.  Here's a question for you: what sort of number would you need in order to go ahead and assume that someone making that number of posts will not be making quality posts?  If not 2000 (66 per day), maybe 10000 (333 per day)?  100000 (3330 per day)?  I'm just curious what number, from your special point of view, seems like an implausibly high number to you for one person posting on a forum.

At last someone has stated the obvious. If you have 5 accounts supporting 5 different campaigns. You can run a whole load of conversations, and get a lot more than 5 times the earnings. Especially if your posts are useless.

Possibly, but it doesn't change the fact, that you are supposed to obey the rules of the campaign. Even if you don't agree with the manager, you shouldn't enter with more than one account.
I could speculate that they aren't getting the same exposure with alts, because a stable campaign creates a positive attitude among the advertisers. They may talk about it in casual conversations, recommend the brand to their friends and such. If all 50 spots were to be taken by two farmers with 10 accounts each, we could expect a much smaller exposure. If this farming ever were to surface, the owners could expect negativity towards the campaign, and through it to the brand itself.

If you create multiple accounts you can hold a conversation between your alts and get paid while doing it! The more alts the better.

It would also help if you were schizophrenic. Just make sure that you log on to the correct account that is associated with your different multiple personalities.  

The story can be traced from 2013, there was ripple giveaway in 2013, but requires old member accounts, many Chinese and other countries cheaters targeted this cheating way, AFAIK, they made tons of money from cheatibg, that is why so many cheaters, now mainly are from China, Indonesia, Russia.

Answer is very simple.Creating multiple account is for cheating purpose only. They are scammers. Some want to earn money by selling their accounts to newbies. Some wants to participate in signature campaigns. Thats it. If someone gets negative trust from one account, then they use other account to promote their items.Dont worry they will get cheated by someone  . thats life.

So in other words, you know what is best for other people, and as a result you will create regulations in order to force people into doing what you "know" is best.

You have still not given an explanation why alts should not be allowed in signature campaigns that does not involve you farming trust, and does not involve the campaign manager to do a better job in screening applicants. The campaign manager should exclude potential participants that will make lower quality posts despite incentives to make more posts.

Additionally, the majority of campaigns do not have rules against having one account in one campaign and another account in a second campaign, both owned by the same person, making your point further moot. In this situation, the incentives to make more posts are still there.

Also Lauda, unlike you, I do not resort to making immature personal attacks, and trolling those I feel are vulnerable in order to try to get those debating with me to stop responding to my comments.

This is an arbitrary rule that serves no business purpose. If a business is paying 0.1BTC in exchange for 50 posts over a month (or during a month), and if 100 posts are made during that month, then it does not make a difference if two people made those posts, or if one person across two accounts made those posts, as the company is receiving the same exposure.

Using a "fixed rate" signature campaign also makes much more sense then starting a "pay per post" signature campaign as the company will know exactly how much they will spend on signature advertising, and will generally know how much exposure they will receive. For example if a company uses a "pay per post" signature campaign, then everyone might not make the maximum number of posts, resulting in less exposure then anticipated, and if the company tires to guess the average number of posts each participant will make, and is wrong, then the company may end up going over budget. If one person takes up two spots in a "fixed rate" signature campaign, then the company will spend the same amount of money in exchange for the same amount of advertising as if two people were taking up two spots.


This is a participant screening issue. If someone is making 2,000 posts per month, and is unable to make quality posts, then this should be apparent in each of their alts' posting history. I see no reason to assume that someone making 2,000 posts in a month will not be making quality posts.

If we consider the fact that there's a posting quota for signature campaigns, then we can consider that over all the campaigns, the posting quality in general for the user is inversely proportional to the amount of alts that are registered in campaigns. Say you have 50 posts to make in the month vs 500 posts to make in the month. Do you really think that someone replying will be able to pump out such a massive amount with the same amount of post quality (given that it was high) as a user who would only need to post 50 times?


Slightly different but it doesn't change much - the user is still participating in signature campaigns with multiple accounts and the post quality declines accordingly. It matters not whether it affects a single campaign or multiple campaigns (in fact you would prefer for it to be a single campaign since you could source all the spam to it and request them to be stricter) since the overall quality of the forum still goes down.

Perhaps so, but if they have that amount of time, then they can actually contribute to the discussion with useful information instead of recycled bullshit like in the spam megathreads with 40+ pages of quotes and agreement quotes.

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I've been reading this Quickseller vs Lauda argument and just wanted to point out that you seem to be talking about two different problems here. One is joining multiple signature campaigns with your alts, which IMO should be allowed, since this is not banned according to forum rules or even the rules made by signature campaign owners. If you want to ban it, an administrator should add it to the rules. Giving people negative trust just for having two accounts in two different signature campaigns unfair in my opinion.
Farming a signature campaign is a bit different, because it's usually against the campaign rules, so a person doing it is cheating the manager and deserves a negative rating from him.
That leaves us with some questions: What if the manager allows to farm his campaign with alt accounts? What if he carefully reads posts and kicks spammers? There are always people who post a lot, because they have nothing better to do.

Why it is bad to allow people to enroll with multiple accounts (in the same or different signature campaigns) has probably been discussed heavily in several threads. Simply put, one is 'incentivized' to post much more than they can handle (in 'constructive' way). This leads to a consistent drop in their posting quality which has a detrimental effect on the forum. We've surely seen a lot of useful posts in threads such as "If you had X Bitcoin, what would you do?".

I think you should ask for an username change to QuickColumbus.

The only real point you made is that a company is paying a maximum amount per user. However this is for budging purposes and it serves no other purpose when looked at on a per account basis.

This is the fault of the company for having a bad screening process. The solution is for the company to use a better screening process that excludes those who will make poor quality posts.

A company is paying for X posts per user. However, said company can not know whether user is abusing their campaign by using multiple accounts. Due to this, they will pay out all of their accounts (unless someone exposes the alts in question).

Which campaign? FYI I'm completely against alts being enrolled in any signature campaign (if user already has 1 account enrolled somewhere).

It is well known that some campaigns either have no process/management (e.g. Bitmixer in the past) or have a very bad evaluation/review process.

That is a lack of screening of participants. If one person is posting a bunch of spam-like posts, then there is no reason why any of them should get accepted into the campaign. Regarding variance in post timing (I really don't think there is value to this), someone with multiple accounts will not make all their posts at the same time, and I have never seen any requirements regarding posting times so this is really a moot issue.

If a company is paying for 50 posts then there is no reason to expect more posts then that. If a company is paying one person to make 50 post on each of two accounts then they will pay for 100 posts and will also receive 100 posts. If the person only has one account enrolled in the signature campaign then it should not be expected that they will make a single post above what is expected of them.

Why don't you give a single explanation as to why you want no alts in a campaign that doesn't involve trust farming? And involves properly screening participants.

I can think of another reason... They don't want 1 person owning 10 accounts, spamming the same stuff over and over again and not getting much exposure or much variance in their posts / post timing. (Lol. Fortunejack anyone???)

Wrong, math isn't an opinion (isn't it?). If you are using multiple accounts in the same signature campaign you are making more posts, not the same number of posts.

Read my posts before responding:

This includes the reasons that you've mentioned.

Two accounts (same person) x 50 posts per account in (e.g. Bitmixer) = 50 posts total. QS Math.

False. If you are using multiple accounts in the same signature campaign then you are still making the same number of posts with an advertisement underneath it as if you were using a single account. If a company is paying for 50 posts in a month then that is what they will get regardless of how many accounts are used in the process.

You could argue that using multiple accounts leads to lower quality posts then as a signature campaign manager you should do a better job of screening your applicants.

The *only* reason why a signature campaign manager might utilize and enforce a one person one account rule is to farm/build trust. When you payout several people their signature campaign earnings there is a chance that each person will leave a positive trust rating and if you are receiving a lot of positive trust ratings then you have an increased chance that one or some of them will have a high trust reputation in the future (e.g. Will be in the DefaultTrust network) if they do not already have high trust reputation. On the other hand, if one person has several accounts in a single signature campaign then the campaign manager will probably only receive a single rating from one of that person's accounts.

How come using multiple accounts is cheating? Let's drop the account farming and signatures for a second here. There are several reasons behind having another account that I can think of, like posting controversial opinions you don't want to be associated with. If you're using a forum as a platform to conduct business, you may not want your clients to know your views on politics, taxes, sex, and so on.
I've also seen negative trust being used as a leverage in a discussion, so some people may be afraid to argue with high trusted users from their main accounts (especially if that account is in a signature campaign).
  

I said for me. There are some valid reasons to have at least 1 alt. My sanity limit would be around 2-3 max (on a case-by-case basis). Others may have differentiating views regarding this.

Spewing nonsense with a good heart = still spewing nonsense. Even if your intentions are not malicious, you may be a part of the problem. The forum does not need to hear your 'good heart' useless replies.

Spammers as of now are probably unlikely to change their posting habits - they will still be spam, whether they have 1 account or 70. If you usually create constructive posts and go on to create a second account, is it really likely that you will start posting shit and littering up the forum? Not very.


Nothing should be shared, even if you are family. This only makes trying to prove that there are distinct individuals involved more difficult if not impossible. If you are pooling together resources, what's the big deal with using different wallets? Sure, there's an additional transaction fee per individual if you're all trying to exchange your collected amounts at the end of the month, but then consider it tax - it's much better than being accused of having alts, cheating campaigns, and then being unable to prove it with your only evidence being words - "that was my aunt".

Nobody can believe that. Different accounts, different wallets. If you're sharing the same IP, then it encourages EVERYBODY to post at a higher quality lest all of the accounts be banned... but then again, most IPs that have multiple accounts are not the cause of families but rather a single person.

Seriously, your replies confuse me sometimes.
But still, if 1 - 2 alts are fine and in different signature campaigns, then this is now a clarification to all those who are trying to join same campaigns with more than 10 - 20 accounts and trying to create a fortune by cheating the forum and not following the rules.
I know that this also is not a good thing to go with an alt, but I think that if not "spewing nonsense" but contributing with a good heart, there should be a chance for real users whether same or that ^THIRD AUNT^   , in order to make well constructive posts with alts, not in same but different signature campaigns.

Yes and no. Some campaigns, like the one that you are in have pretty decent limits. There are only very rare cases of people that are able to post >100 posts a week that are really constructive. I am probably okay with 1-2 alts. Anything above that likely causes semi-good/bad post quality.

Honestly spewing nonsense != contributing.

Big no. This only makes the problem more complex with :"No, that's not my account. It's my sister, brother, mom, dad, third aunt. Ban her, not me."

Whether third world or first world, even people from the best countries are here to earn.
Signature campaigns are a job and a job is done to get a reward, or in other words, bonus is what you said for "contributing".
The ones who are here ^solely^ to get paid are already creating multiple accounts for the purpose already mentioned in the OP here.
But let me ask my question clearly: Alt allowed a chance to post "USEFUL" content in order to get a contribution reward in another signature campaign?

As I don't think that this would be considered cheating or spamming, if they are honestly contributing to the community and being rewarded. Still, what's your opinion on this? Can't siblings or families use the same PC and even share their wallets in order to use their accounts to contribute in their own ways? I don't think anything is wrong here, at least they are not like others who create 100s of accounts and use bots in order to boost their post count and spam the forum hard.

I personally have two accounts. This one is the main one that I use for signature campaign. Another one (inTech) is use to post in topics that my signature campaign do not count into. There is two reasons. One, to reduce my signature campaign manager workload. Two, so that I can promote my own sites in my signature tag in forums like Off-topic and Micro earning. :p.

The forum does not need whole third world families posting useless content in order to get paid. I've always advocated that one should join a campaign to get a bonus for contributing, not to get paid. As soon as you join a campaign solely to get paid, you are likely already doing it wrong (and part of the problem; exclusions apply).

But if honest members share their accounts with their siblings or friends, and if they (siblings or friends) use that account to enroll in another signature campaign, will it still be considered cheating?

Using multiple accounts (especially in enrolled in the same signature campaign) is the very definition of cheating. In 99% of the cases there is no good reason/enough constructiveness to justify it.

I don't think creating multiple account here can be called a cheat or used for scamming.
The main reason of creating multiple account here is to allow them to promote more for them to earn more.
I don't see anything wrong about that as long as their purpose isn't abusive and doesn't harm others.

Their point on having multiple account here in this forum is because they don't want to waste their time. After finishing the required post or the post that they are making in day, they are switching their account to the other one that they have to post again. Why? because they want to multiply their profit or earnings weekly or monthly by doing signature campaign and mostly this situation occurs when there is a signature campaign that pays really good compare to the other signature campaigns here, that is why most of the bitcoin users here apply their other accounts on the same campaign which is illegal and against the rules on this forum that is why they have got a negative trust causing them having a hard time on enrolling on other signature campaign.

It's more accurate to say don't trust anyone because no one really is trustable here. You can't trust someone just because they are using a high rank account. One reason why account farming and selling accounts are not supported by eeryone because scammers can buy and sell accounts anytime that tey want. That is why most users being caught with multiple accounts receive negative feedbacks.

Simple. To gain more, whether thru campaign or selling it to earn more, the older your account is, the higher the value, provided that it is a clean account, actually nothing prohibits anyone from creating account here.


No, some people here create many account, because they could post more than the limit the signature campaign they are enrolled allow. Recently I saw one participant that could almost post 70+ post, necro bumping old replies to a thread and even make double post in a single thread, I wonder if that was banned already.

To cheat everyone and make few bucks a week or sell those accounts, if you think the amount of people that don't have work or those who are lazy enough to don't get a job, that's why. At least Lauda, Yahoo and Lutpin are trying to ban from signature campaigns those guys.

Actualy, they its not illegal to have multiple account here. You are free to have another account here if you want. Its account farming. They use it for signature campaigns in able to them to have much profit. Sometimes they create account just to scam users here. Many have encountered this kind of modus. Dont trust newbies here if you dont want to be a victim. Sometimes they sell those accounts to earn. Its not illegal but buying accounts are not encourage here.

I found many accounts here in the campaign who got negative trust for multiple accounts to have .
But I am confused why people are making multiple accounts , As we can get the same amount of Bitcoin per post in the campaign , So if we want earn Bitcoin than we can do the same with single account only .
what you think guys .
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Edited : According to all replies , we can make multiple accounts

Now I want ask , can we use only single adress in all multiple accounts .