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Topic: Why We Need DAOs: the Shittiness of Man (Read 797 times)

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Minimum Effort/Maximum effect
August 10, 2015, 11:52:23 PM
#10
I do think we should have basic income--otherwise, DACs will be so productive that there will not be enough consumers in the world, due the unemployment of humans. They can't just keep building stuff for nobody to use.

There will never be equality, however. Some people will always be more talented than others, and they will make more money above the basic income than others do. Nobody will be poor, but not everyone will be rich.

Can't doubt it will be a good day for Bitcoin, considering it's deflationary nature and all. Humanity fully automated, instead of waste precious resources will simply lower prices until everything costs satoshis to purchase. whoever holds out the longest may become the richest of us all.

Hopefully it doesn't come to that, i would like to see a world where everyone is given the greatest opportunities possible to travel, to experience new things, to try out different products. Recycling could help, everything we give back to the DACs our old shoes, our garbage, junk, shit, could be used to fund and support our lifestyle. I'd hate to be stuck in a society that provides everyone with everything but is unable to go beyond it's limits because of economic/resource constraints. Think of Space travel, that will require massive resources to setup the travel corridors across planets and beyond, but uncontrolled growth will deplete our valuable resources faster than we can regenerate them.
legendary
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August 10, 2015, 09:02:04 PM
#9
I do think we should have basic income--otherwise, DACs will be so productive that there will not be enough consumers in the world, due the unemployment of humans. They can't just keep building stuff for nobody to use.

There will never be equality, however. Some people will always be more talented than others, and they will make more money above the basic income than others do. Nobody will be poor, but not everyone will be rich.
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Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political
August 10, 2015, 07:29:32 PM
#8
Well said
I hate it when I don't have time or the words to answer people's accusations
Then later I can put it all down succinctly... Next time, next time...
I hope she sees this
I was "arguing" with a friend last night
She was coming from a similar place to your heckler
Her angle was...
BTC will just become the same as what she perceives is wrong with the banks
In that it is a token of exchange that is still inequitable
And would be worthless under true collapse of civilization
She was all hyped on "time credit" system whereby everyone earns the same hourly rate per hour spent providing service
Or the hours spent creating goods

I had to agree that BTC did not address the Inequities in the labour force
But she wouldn't even listen to what works about BTC
Then she was asking me if she should invest in some
To be honest, she's going through some stressful times right now so I let it ride
But I still got to get her straightened out
It's hard with some of the best meaning people
Because they do fundamentally oppose our technocratic society
And I can't help but agree somewhat...
She was checking her phone all night though, so, you know
We drank a lot of wine...


That time credit system sounds like a good way to slow down progress in every industry. Honestly though, I hear that kind of thing pretty often, though it almost always comes from someone who doesn't make very much money. Can't blame her for not being able to see the downsides to such a system.

so a brain surgeon should make the same per hour as a burger flipper.  sounds legit.
legendary
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August 10, 2015, 07:02:54 PM
#7
Great writeup! Hope the heckler gets to read it
Haha, I wish!
legendary
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August 10, 2015, 10:37:52 AM
#6
Some people will always be opposed to technological development because it may ruin existing businesses and kick a lot of people out into unemployment, sometimes unemployment that will be perpetual because the people are too old or incapable to learn something new to do. Its still nonsense to be against it tho.
legendary
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August 10, 2015, 04:54:44 AM
#5
Great writeup! Hope the heckler gets to read it
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August 10, 2015, 12:41:49 AM
#4

This is a very positive themed post that paints the upside well.  I agree with the principles and agree this is the future direction.

Some important caveats however, technology and algorithms need to be opened to public scrutiny in order to crowd-source detection for weaknesses.  Blockchain technology is being subject to intense scrutiny by researchers and hackers alike, which will only lead to a more robust system.  Hash algorithms are regularly analyzed and deprecated once weaknesses are publicized.

We have all heard about the buggy trading algorithms which have led to 'flash crashes'.

the point is we need to make sure the systems superseding us are safe and working as intended.  In response to your 3 topics:
"People are slow" - systems can be made slow by malicious actors if not well designed (think DDOS)
"People make mistakes" - and so do systems if quality control is not up to par
"People lie" - and systems can be made to lie too if they are compromised by malicious actors.

blockchain technology certainly holds the promise of being a system that will not be threatened by the above 3 issues, lets hope it continues to evolve and stand-up to intense scrutiny, and eventually become more prevalent in society.
legendary
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August 09, 2015, 10:12:05 PM
#3
Some people just don't understand new technology, and therefore fear it. Someone already commented on the article page that my thoughts are "half-formed."
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Ad maiora!
August 09, 2015, 09:34:16 PM
#2
Well said
I hate it when I don't have time or the words to answer people's accusations
Then later I can put it all down succinctly... Next time, next time...
I hope she sees this
I was "arguing" with a friend last night
She was coming from a similar place to your heckler
Her angle was...
BTC will just become the same as what she perceives is wrong with the banks
In that it is a token of exchange that is still inequitable
And would be worthless under true collapse of civilization
She was all hyped on "time credit" system whereby everyone earns the same hourly rate per hour spent providing service
Or the hours spent creating goods
I had to agree that BTC did not address the Inequities in the labour force
But she wouldn't even listen to what works about BTC
Then she was asking me if she should invest in some
To be honest, she's going through some stressful times right now so I let it ride
But I still got to get her straightened out
It's hard with some of the best meaning people
Because they do fundamentally oppose our technocratic society
And I can't help but agree somewhat...
She was checking her phone all night though, so, you know
We drank a lot of wine...
legendary
Activity: 1268
Merit: 1006
August 09, 2015, 08:12:57 PM
#1
Several months ago I had to deal with a heckler at a conference who was very anti-technology, saying that computers can't be trusted to run financial systems (a la Bitcoin) and especially not corporations and government systems. I didn't have enough time on stage to answer her in detail, so I was inspired to write my argument down with a catchy title.

People need to understand that technology is the future. Cars are better than rickshaws; printers are better than scribes. If we want to progress as a civilization, we to to accept the automation of of human organizations via the blockchain, just like we accepted fire, the wheel, electricity and the assembly line. Link: http://www.newsbtc.com/2015/08/10/why-daos-shitiness-man/

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This year I had the honor of presenting at the BIL conference in Vancouver, BC, a decentralized and open source alternative to TED. My topic, of course, was the blockchain revolution. Everything went very well, but there was one question from the audience that made me think:

“Don’t you think replacing humans is a bad idea,” she said, referring to my explanation of decentralized autonomous organizations. “Wouldn’t it be safer to have a person watching over it? What if there’s a glitch?”

“God, no,” I replied, with a short explanation. “People suck.”

I didn’t have enough time on stage to go into detail, but I really wish I had. From New Age spiritual types to paranoid conservatives, there are many people who fear the rise of technology. These fears are not only unfounded, but ironically counterproductive to human progress. Allow me to explain why.

People Are Slow

As a society, we need to come to terms with something: all of us are terribly inefficient. Whether we’re navigating rush hour traffic or unboarding a plane, we tend to do things slowly and in the wrong order, especially when we’re in groups.

Decentralized autonomous organizations are the answer. Using smart contract technology, they can simulate corporations on the blockchain–for example, we could tell it to automatically grant Bitcoin loans to those with a sufficient credit rating, just like your neighborhood bank. Smart contracts can interact with each other, so the entire economy could be constructed this way.

This will eliminate the horrors of bureaucracy. A human hand can only sign or stamp a document so quickly, whereas a computer can cryptographically sign anything almost instantly. Nodes in a network communicate via the Internet far faster than humans via phone or email, and take seconds to make decisions that would otherwise require hours of meetings.

Since it’s frequently unclear who’s supposed to do what, a request sometimes bounces around every corner of an organization before arriving at the right desk. This results in an exponential loss in efficiency for every worker, and is the reason why governments take so long to pass legislation or process documents for their citizens. Every one we automate speeds up the assembly line.

People Make Mistakes

Every human in a system also adds to the possibility of human error. Documents are improperly signed or organized all the time, and people often miscommunicate in disastrous ways.  Computers, on the other hand, do not suffer from the ambiguity of human language. They are increasingly superior at trading stocks, diagnosing illnesses, and even forming and testing scientific hypotheses.

This problem even compromises the essential decision making of organizations. Human power structures are not usually meritocratic; despite the good intentions of anarcho-capitalists, even competitive, for-profit enterprises are mired in patronage and nepotism. Even in (relatively) transparent democracies, the electorate’s general ignorance results in the appointment of incompetent officials.

A little application of game theory goes a long way. We now have video games that can simulate running both companies and countries, and the AI is pretty smart. They’re already used for practice by the Pentagon and Wall Street, and will soon be capable of replacing administrators in all sectors of government and industry.

Even the worst calculator on the market is more accurate than a human being. The only time programs do make mistakes is when they’re coded improperly–glitches are also human errors. Eventually, artificial intelligence will take over programming, itself, reaching a state known as the singularity.

People Lie

Simply put, computers do what they’re told. Humans not only make mistakes, but often err on purpose for a variety of reasons.

The most common motivation is laziness. Humans do not like to work, which is why we’re forced to pay them–people work because they need to buy food, shelter and entertainment, unlike machines. As a result, we waste up to 3 hours a day at the office and underperform at every task.

Not only do machines not get tired, but they don’t get greedy, either. Corporate employees will steal resources, administrators will embezzle funds, and government officials are typically worse. A computer will never lose your bitcoins for the reason that it wants to go on vacation in the Caribbean.

This corruption has reached a horrific scale: more than 1 in 4 people now pay bribes a year, and up to 70% in countries such as Kenya. We cannot truly measure its extent, but it is potentially the greatest source of inefficiency in our society. People cannot be trusted with more than so much power.

Then what will people do? In a world without corporations and bureaucracies, where manufacturing is automated, many people will be unable to work. Programming will become a standard focus in school systems, but there will not be enough jobs for everyone.

The upside is, we won’t have to work: decentralized autonomous organizations will do it for us at subsistence cost. Basic income will become the norm by economic necessity, a trivial expense in comparison to civil dissent. People will focus on whatever they are most passionate about, which is a future we should be looking forward to.
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