Topic: Why YOU should really care about Provably Fair... (Read 993 times)
Would love to see some more articles from the CGF. You have brought out some quality stuff in the past.
Probably fair gives an added trust or makes the particular gambling website more legitimate in comparison to other gambling websites. Another thing is based on the house edge allocated as well the platform on which the event has been developed too makes it provably fair.
Problem is not all sites that say they are provably fair are really provably fair. There are some that just throw around the words and not really back up what they are saying. It's common to see especially with new casinos and fly by night ones. There should really be a body that would handle these claims and check for their authenticity, Some even have their own system and saying it is provably fair but in fact it is not up to standards.
I think there is some group that review if the site is actually implementing provably fair games, and wheneve a site is found lying about it, they were bashed and have negative feed back on its rating, telling or warning gambles to stay away from those cheating site. Provably is really needed so that we ca be sure that the site is not rigging the game.
Yeh that's the crypto gambling foundation. www.cryptogambling.org
Probably fair gives an added trust or makes the particular gambling website more legitimate in comparison to other gambling websites. Another thing is based on the house edge allocated as well the platform on which the event has been developed too makes it provably fair.
Problem is not all sites that say they are provably fair are really provably fair. There are some that just throw around the words and not really back up what they are saying. It's common to see especially with new casinos and fly by night ones. There should really be a body that would handle these claims and check for their authenticity, Some even have their own system and saying it is provably fair but in fact it is not up to standards.
I think there is some group that review if the site is actually implementing provably fair games, and wheneve a site is found lying about it, they were bashed and have negative feed back on its rating, telling or warning gambles to stay away from those cheating site. Provably is really needed so that we ca be sure that the site is not rigging the game.
Probably fair gives an added trust or makes the particular gambling website more legitimate in comparison to other gambling websites. Another thing is based on the house edge allocated as well the platform on which the event has been developed too makes it provably fair.
Problem is not all sites that say they are provably fair are really provably fair. There are some that just throw around the words and not really back up what they are saying. It's common to see especially with new casinos and fly by night ones. There should really be a body that would handle these claims and check for their authenticity, Some even have their own system and saying it is provably fair but in fact it is not up to standards.
I was not care about provably fair when I was on fiat online casino, what I care was only about the game. If I like the game so I'll play it no matter it is fair or not. I knew about provably fair once I started to gamble with bitcoin. I feel so stupid if I remember my experience on fiat online casinos because of it. Now I prefer to avoid fiat online casinos and prefer to bitcoin/altcoin casinos that has provably fair verification so I can make sure that I'm not being cheated by the house. Unlike what I experience before I know about bitcoin gambling.
Probably fair gives an added trust or makes the particular gambling website more legitimate in comparison to other gambling websites. Another thing is based on the house edge allocated as well the platform on which the event has been developed too makes it provably fair.
Wow that's a verygood article I'm putting this on bookmark since Im always playing dice games. Now I know. That's why I'm always playing a big gambling site so there's no unfair games at all. All Big sites and Famous gambling site has a Provably Fair System.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2318273.new#new Great topic here that should be helping users not to get stuck up
I don't know why people wouldn't care about provably fair. It is their money after all and no one wants to feel cheated we all want to win so if you lose because of that it isn't good. So I would hope it would be an Important thing. The description you gave is very good and I'm sure anyone can now understand the provably fair system and can now refer back to this post.
Provably fair is important as it makes sure you are not being cheated by the site's admin by making the results appear a sthey want to. They can make easy profit by doing so and players get looted.
You are right! Provably fair, it's an important thing which it should added in a gambling site, to show people that this site is fair enough to play on it. I knew few gambling sites that allow people to see the algorithm with proof to trust the site.They are manipulating every single outcome there and for sure they are not legitimate at all , pretty obvious scam.
Provably fair is a technology that makes everyone be able to verify your own bet whether everything generated randomly or not.
In many instances people have posted "Provably Fair" on their site and they have no " Provably Fair" system in place. Your average gambler will never investigate further and they will just accept that the site is " Provably Fair ". I hope the more technical inclined gamblers will fill that loophole and test and educate the people who has no clue how this system is supposed to function.
I also hear people can implement systems that looks " Provably Fair ", but once it is tested it turns out that it is rigged. Is this true?
I dont know if someone would decide to put their time or efforts on educating most of the gamblers on how they should verify if a site is provably fair knowing that not all gamblers are tech savvy which they would really have a hard time on realizing on what are the things being mentioned on here about provably fair this is why they dont really care at all as long they would able to see that there are lots of people do play on the site which they can assume that the site is provably fair.I also hear people can implement systems that looks " Provably Fair ", but once it is tested it turns out that it is rigged. Is this true?
After trying many gambling sites, for me, i don't really deposit big amounts on gambling sites because i do not expect to earn on those. I just deposit to see how and what are the games their. The only gambling that i actually had withdrawal was yobit.net but that was a long time ago. I do have some withdrawal from gambling sites but the amount is not as high as how much i had in yobit.
You might be get hacked also dude. What have done is perfect to save your bitcoin as well as to utilize the bitcoin in gambling. Still now bitcoin dice roll is working in Yobit site. When the bitcoin value was around 400$ I use to roll for 0.002 BTC for every roll but now value turns to 4k and even more. Yobit mostly operates as a trading platform only.
I don't know if Yobit is fair. Do they have anyway to prove that they are fair? I don't think so. Still many many people play there and it is always busy. The house edge there is very high most people will say and agree. I think so too because you can feel it. I don't like how Yobit defaults the dice to 0.01 and they put that right by the chat so they hoping you play by mistake. Rather play dice on a proper dice site with probably fair and actual support since Yobit don't provide much support staff all. Also the house edge is much lower. Only 1%
But rest assured on trading area there are bots who do make auto buy and sell.They might be lower than on freebitco.in house edge but yet they do have more than compared on other gambling dice site.Provably fair do always matter.
In many instances people have posted "Provably Fair" on their site and they have no " Provably Fair" system in place. Your average gambler will never investigate further and they will just accept that the site is " Provably Fair ". I hope the more technical inclined gamblers will fill that loophole and test and educate the people who has no clue how this system is supposed to function.
I also hear people can implement systems that looks " Provably Fair ", but once it is tested it turns out that it is rigged. Is this true?
I dont know if someone would decide to put their time or efforts on educating most of the gamblers on how they should verify if a site is provably fair knowing that not all gamblers are tech savvy which they would really have a hard time on realizing on what are the things being mentioned on here about provably fair this is why they dont really care at all as long they would able to see that there are lots of people do play on the site which they can assume that the site is provably fair.I also hear people can implement systems that looks " Provably Fair ", but once it is tested it turns out that it is rigged. Is this true?
After trying many gambling sites, for me, i don't really deposit big amounts on gambling sites because i do not expect to earn on those. I just deposit to see how and what are the games their. The only gambling that i actually had withdrawal was yobit.net but that was a long time ago. I do have some withdrawal from gambling sites but the amount is not as high as how much i had in yobit.
You might be get hacked also dude. What have done is perfect to save your bitcoin as well as to utilize the bitcoin in gambling. Still now bitcoin dice roll is working in Yobit site. When the bitcoin value was around 400$ I use to roll for 0.002 BTC for every roll but now value turns to 4k and even more. Yobit mostly operates as a trading platform only.
I don't know if Yobit is fair. Do they have anyway to prove that they are fair? I don't think so. Still many many people play there and it is always busy. The house edge there is very high most people will say and agree. I think so too because you can feel it. I don't like how Yobit defaults the dice to 0.01 and they put that right by the chat so they hoping you play by mistake. Rather play dice on a proper dice site with probably fair and actual support since Yobit don't provide much support staff all. Also the house edge is much lower. Only 1%
Sad to see a lot of websites like Bitstarz still being used despite being brought to light they aren't fair & also abuse terms etc.
Spread this word guys, sites which put the effort in should only be used, they will not CHEAT you of your money.
Spread this word guys, sites which put the effort in should only be used, they will not CHEAT you of your money.
No need to spread words. They are already well known for being that. Why does there are user that still choosing to play on untrusted/unknown reputation gambling site while there are a lot of trusted gambling site existing which is already listed on this forum. I will name some of them, FortuneJack, Primedice , Bitsler, Nitrogensports, OneHash and many more. Just search for the forum for the list of active gambling site so that you will be always be guided.
That's pretty much what the Crypto Gambling Foundation is trying to establish - A decentralized body of people who believe in fairness and list all relevant sites.
Waiting for more sites to be added, lets see.
Sad to see a lot of websites like Bitstarz still being used despite being brought to light they aren't fair & also abuse terms etc.
Spread this word guys, sites which put the effort in should only be used, they will not CHEAT you of your money.
Spread this word guys, sites which put the effort in should only be used, they will not CHEAT you of your money.
No need to spread words. They are already well known for being that. Why does there are user that still choosing to play on untrusted/unknown reputation gambling site while there are a lot of trusted gambling site existing which is already listed on this forum. I will name some of them, FortuneJack, Primedice , Bitsler, Nitrogensports, OneHash and many more. Just search for the forum for the list of active gambling site so that you will be always be guided.
Sad to see a lot of websites like Bitstarz still being used despite being brought to light they aren't fair & also abuse terms etc.
Spread this word guys, sites which put the effort in should only be used, they will not CHEAT you of your money.
Spread this word guys, sites which put the effort in should only be used, they will not CHEAT you of your money.
Provably fair is important as it makes sure you are not being cheated by the site's admin by making the results appear a sthey want to. They can make easy profit by doing so and players get looted.
You are right! Provably fair, it's an important thing which it should added in a gambling site, to show people that this site is fair enough to play on it. I knew few gambling sites that allow people to see the algorithm with proof to trust the site.
It is bit just probably fair it is much more then that. Even if it is oegit and fair they can still withhold Bitcoin winnings. A common tactic is this KYC crap some places do. It's just a ploy because they know at least a few people won't want to do that and they will profit from that. Another method is vague promotion rules so that when they get a winner the deny winnings due to some sort of restriction and ckain they had rules for it which they did but very vague on purpose to purpose make excuses. People should focus a little less on probably fair and more on these stall tactics some casinos like to use.
Provably fair is important as it makes sure you are not being cheated by the site's admin by making the results appear a sthey want to. They can make easy profit by doing so and players get looted.
Accurate observation. The same goes for "licensed" and "regulated" and to some extent even lowest house edge or best odds. In fact, if you stroll through the casinos advertised even on this forum, you'll find some glaring misrepresentations.
I definitely agree that Provably Fair is now the minimum standard. But players do have a rather steep learning curve when it comes to verifying for themselves if the Provably Fair mechanism is as it claims. For the larger sites, there are open-source tools out there to use but that still requires manual verification of each wager made. I admit myself I hardly ever verify my bets at places I already trust, beyond the first few I always do when signing up to anew place.
I also hear people can implement systems that looks " Provably Fair ", but once it is tested it turns out that it is rigged. Is this true?
I've seen at least one alleged case, which you can discover for yourself in this forum, where the system apparently would only show the seed if you expressly requested it. It's since been fixed.
This is one area, where we need a White Hat hacker initiative, where knowledgeable people could test these sites to see if their systems are "Provably Fair" or if the house edge is what is promoted on the site. These people should in no way be affiliated with these sites and not be bribed or influenced by these people.
Most people just use these sites and blow away their money on untested claims. Misrepresentations has become the standard now and nobody are challenging these claims. If this continues and consumers are exploited enough, law enforcement will get involved and this scene will get heavily regulated. < Most of them are running their online casinos from countries or independent Islands, where these law enforcement agencies cannot touch them. >
https://www.fairbinaryoptions.com/blacklisted-casinos/
I believe there are a number of "decentralized" efforts (sorry, I had to do it!) doing precisely that, even on this forum. I think the gambling community just needs to look out for each other, and to learn a bit of discipline by doing their own research.
As you recognise with bribery and affiliation, at the end of the day, it's difficult to rely on information when there are other agendas. You've got services like Game Protect here who also have their own website and claim to protect players from these "bad casinos" but they hurt their own credibility by also promoting affiliate links.
But I've seen more effective cases here on this forum where casinos are brought up against their claims. Community pressure prevailed in some. Reputation is more powerful than law enforcement here.
I could understand your claim if GP was affiliated with publicly proven scams, but this is obviously not the case.
While several players signed up with our affiliate links, until today no one was willing to contribute anything to qualify for consumer protection service for his other accounts.
They lose 1000s and in total millions to scams, but they are not willing to contribute anything to enforce their claim! This behaviour is likely caused by the brain wash theories spread on the forums that we can not do anything.
One part are the scams and the shills who promote the scams and the other part are the brain washers to convince the victims that the money is lost, even though the publicly stated laws give fully right to the victims!
Yes when you read the Online gambling scams! and avoided to deposit to those sites, then you are protected from these "bad casinos".
Alternatively, you can also put "operator + scam" into google, as GP scam articles are usually always on the first page and within the first 3 entries.
Thanks for the useful information.
I would like to add up something.
The fact that the casino site allows you to view the source code doesn't mean that they are using it as the code for their casino game.
You should always view page source and make sure that it fits the code that they show you, sometimes they show one code and use another.
Don't fall for non-random generators.
Let me just add something also. First of all, there are millions of gamblers and not all of them are programmers or can understand the source code. Now to understand this, they will take courses and we both know this is not gonna happen. So why not just playing the game in limits and enjoying the moments instead of starting the inspection? To be this much concerned about gambling is ridiculous. I would like to add up something.
The fact that the casino site allows you to view the source code doesn't mean that they are using it as the code for their casino game.
You should always view page source and make sure that it fits the code that they show you, sometimes they show one code and use another.
Don't fall for non-random generators.
I care about provably fair a lot, I just don't want to play in a casino which isn't probably fair as what if I get lucky and started winning and got a huge bankroll and decided to bet big amounts and then the casino make the game rigged and then I loose, this is the main concern in my mind about the casinos which aren't provably fair. No one likes playing in a casino which says it's not provably fair but it don't cheat.
Knowing that the site is provably fair is good, since it is something you can trust and it is a standard in all gambling sites, well it should be. However, the problem is that there is no central authority that can confirm that the site is truly provably fair and that there is no way that the site is cheating their players. Then the problem now is that whether the claim of it is provably fair, is indeed provably fair. Since there are sites that say they are, but they use their own provably fair checker which could be where they are actually cheating.
Thanks for taking your time to share this information which is very important for us, gamblers here in the forum. 
. Most of the online casinos that I know uses this technology in their website but it would be really great if this will be adopted to the physical casinos that we have in our neighborhood. This will somehow provide you some peace of mind while gambling knowing that you are losing your money fairly. 
. Most of the online casinos that I know uses this technology in their website but it would be really great if this will be adopted to the physical casinos that we have in our neighborhood. This will somehow provide you some peace of mind while gambling knowing that you are losing your money fairly. 
Thanks for the useful information.
I would like to add up something.
The fact that the casino site allows you to view the source code doesn't mean that they are using it as the code for their casino game.
You should always view page source and make sure that it fits the code that they show you, sometimes they show one code and use another.
Don't fall for non-random generators.
I would like to add up something.
The fact that the casino site allows you to view the source code doesn't mean that they are using it as the code for their casino game.
You should always view page source and make sure that it fits the code that they show you, sometimes they show one code and use another.
Don't fall for non-random generators.
Well, the problem does not really lays with the checking of the code and comparing them with what they actually use. The problem is that 99% of the people that play on gambling sites do not care or do not know how to do it. The thing is it is extremely difficult anyway to determine if the site is using some cheat to win, after all if they were cheating they would hide it pretty good.
If they show their statistics, the house edge should also reflect on those, at least in the long term.
I'd also say that there are more people in the crypto community that care about those things than you would think.
Thanks for the useful information.
I would like to add up something.
The fact that the casino site allows you to view the source code doesn't mean that they are using it as the code for their casino game.
You should always view page source and make sure that it fits the code that they show you, sometimes they show one code and use another.
Don't fall for non-random generators.
I would like to add up something.
The fact that the casino site allows you to view the source code doesn't mean that they are using it as the code for their casino game.
You should always view page source and make sure that it fits the code that they show you, sometimes they show one code and use another.
Don't fall for non-random generators.
Well, the problem does not really lays with the checking of the code and comparing them with what they actually use. The problem is that 99% of the people that play on gambling sites do not care or do not know how to do it. The thing is it is extremely difficult anyway to determine if the site is using some cheat to win, after all if they were cheating they would hide it pretty good.
Thanks for the useful information.
I would like to add up something.
The fact that the casino site allows you to view the source code doesn't mean that they are using it as the code for their casino game.
You should always view page source and make sure that it fits the code that they show you, sometimes they show one code and use another.
Don't fall for non-random generators.
I would like to add up something.
The fact that the casino site allows you to view the source code doesn't mean that they are using it as the code for their casino game.
You should always view page source and make sure that it fits the code that they show you, sometimes they show one code and use another.
Don't fall for non-random generators.
Tbh i'm not verifying my bets, for a site have this and running for how many years like pd I don't bother to verify my bets if I lose. Having these feature makes you more comfortable that you won't get scam especially if you are a high roller.
If game is rigged than small players can also get scammed by the casino, provably fair games can't cheat players both small or high rollers. So it is worth to verify your game results atleast once before you start making bigger bets. Playing on some random casino without verifying your rolls is just waste of your both time and money.
Provalby fair is one way to make sure that the Casino game is not cheating us. We can verify it through hashes produced on every roll. This simply means that the game is programmed fairly and players will have an equal chance to win agaisnt the Casino. This is a must for every player to know if whether the site is provably fair or not else we will find ourselves being roobed in a daily light with the rigged game of non provably fair casinos.
It always mattered to gamble on a probably fair many sites do have fake probably fair mark which many people don't notice but all the trusted sites in the community has probably fair so it's better to gamble on a established business than on a new site because it might have too many trust issues
Tbh i'm not verifying my bets, for a site have this and running for how many years like pd I don't bother to verify my bets if I lose. Having these feature makes you more comfortable that you won't get scam especially if you are a high roller.
Gambling site will never be fair, they are the ones that will always win because that is how the gambling site works, they will not let most of the players make profits on them, they have to make a huge bankroll everyday, meaning many people must need to lose their money on gambling in order for this to happen. You should think for another way which is safe on earning bitcoin, and not just this gambling thingy if you really want to make some money.
Accurate observation. The same goes for "licensed" and "regulated" and to some extent even lowest house edge or best odds. In fact, if you stroll through the casinos advertised even on this forum, you'll find some glaring misrepresentations.
I definitely agree that Provably Fair is now the minimum standard. But players do have a rather steep learning curve when it comes to verifying for themselves if the Provably Fair mechanism is as it claims. For the larger sites, there are open-source tools out there to use but that still requires manual verification of each wager made. I admit myself I hardly ever verify my bets at places I already trust, beyond the first few I always do when signing up to anew place.
I also hear people can implement systems that looks " Provably Fair ", but once it is tested it turns out that it is rigged. Is this true?
I've seen at least one alleged case, which you can discover for yourself in this forum, where the system apparently would only show the seed if you expressly requested it. It's since been fixed.
This is one area, where we need a White Hat hacker initiative, where knowledgeable people could test these sites to see if their systems are "Provably Fair" or if the house edge is what is promoted on the site. These people should in no way be affiliated with these sites and not be bribed or influenced by these people.
Most people just use these sites and blow away their money on untested claims. Misrepresentations has become the standard now and nobody are challenging these claims. If this continues and consumers are exploited enough, law enforcement will get involved and this scene will get heavily regulated. < Most of them are running their online casinos from countries or independent Islands, where these law enforcement agencies cannot touch them. >
https://www.fairbinaryoptions.com/blacklisted-casinos/
I believe there are a number of "decentralized" efforts (sorry, I had to do it!) doing precisely that, even on this forum. I think the gambling community just needs to look out for each other, and to learn a bit of discipline by doing their own research.
As you recognise with bribery and affiliation, at the end of the day, it's difficult to rely on information when there are other agendas. You've got services like Game Protect here who also have their own website and claim to protect players from these "bad casinos" but they hurt their own credibility by also promoting affiliate links.
But I've seen more effective cases here on this forum where casinos are brought up against their claims. Community pressure prevailed in some. Reputation is more powerful than law enforcement here.
You also do not know who is funding these "Watch dog" sites that are reviewing and monitoring gambling sites. Many of them might even be funded by these casinos to scare gamblers away from their competitor sites. You give your major competitors a bad review and your own sites a good review.
There are a lot of money in online gambling and the competition is tough. We see how shills have infiltrated the gambling section on this forum and how they are spreading Fud about competitor gambling sites.
Accurate observation. The same goes for "licensed" and "regulated" and to some extent even lowest house edge or best odds. In fact, if you stroll through the casinos advertised even on this forum, you'll find some glaring misrepresentations.
I definitely agree that Provably Fair is now the minimum standard. But players do have a rather steep learning curve when it comes to verifying for themselves if the Provably Fair mechanism is as it claims. For the larger sites, there are open-source tools out there to use but that still requires manual verification of each wager made. I admit myself I hardly ever verify my bets at places I already trust, beyond the first few I always do when signing up to anew place.
I also hear people can implement systems that looks " Provably Fair ", but once it is tested it turns out that it is rigged. Is this true?
I've seen at least one alleged case, which you can discover for yourself in this forum, where the system apparently would only show the seed if you expressly requested it. It's since been fixed.
This is one area, where we need a White Hat hacker initiative, where knowledgeable people could test these sites to see if their systems are "Provably Fair" or if the house edge is what is promoted on the site. These people should in no way be affiliated with these sites and not be bribed or influenced by these people.
Most people just use these sites and blow away their money on untested claims. Misrepresentations has become the standard now and nobody are challenging these claims. If this continues and consumers are exploited enough, law enforcement will get involved and this scene will get heavily regulated. < Most of them are running their online casinos from countries or independent Islands, where these law enforcement agencies cannot touch them. >
https://www.fairbinaryoptions.com/blacklisted-casinos/
I believe there are a number of "decentralized" efforts (sorry, I had to do it!) doing precisely that, even on this forum. I think the gambling community just needs to look out for each other, and to learn a bit of discipline by doing their own research.
As you recognise with bribery and affiliation, at the end of the day, it's difficult to rely on information when there are other agendas. You've got services like Game Protect here who also have their own website and claim to protect players from these "bad casinos" but they hurt their own credibility by also promoting affiliate links.
But I've seen more effective cases here on this forum where casinos are brought up against their claims. Community pressure prevailed in some. Reputation is more powerful than law enforcement here.
Just got a massive loss streak on a provably fair site, verified & felt a lot better. It's almost like I don't care about losing anymore.
In many instances people have posted "Provably Fair" on their site and they have no " Provably Fair" system in place. Your average gambler will never investigate further and they will just accept that the site is " Provably Fair ". I hope the more technical inclined gamblers will fill that loophole and test and educate the people who has no clue how this system is supposed to function.
Accurate observation. The same goes for "licensed" and "regulated" and to some extent even lowest house edge or best odds. In fact, if you stroll through the casinos advertised even on this forum, you'll find some glaring misrepresentations.
I definitely agree that Provably Fair is now the minimum standard. But players do have a rather steep learning curve when it comes to verifying for themselves if the Provably Fair mechanism is as it claims. For the larger sites, there are open-source tools out there to use but that still requires manual verification of each wager made. I admit myself I hardly ever verify my bets at places I already trust, beyond the first few I always do when signing up to anew place.
I also hear people can implement systems that looks " Provably Fair ", but once it is tested it turns out that it is rigged. Is this true?
I've seen at least one alleged case, which you can discover for yourself in this forum, where the system apparently would only show the seed if you expressly requested it. It's since been fixed.
This is one area, where we need a White Hat hacker initiative, where knowledgeable people could test these sites to see if their systems are "Provably Fair" or if the house edge is what is promoted on the site. These people should in no way be affiliated with these sites and not be bribed or influenced by these people.
Most people just use these sites and blow away their money on untested claims. Misrepresentations has become the standard now and nobody are challenging these claims. If this continues and consumers are exploited enough, law enforcement will get involved and this scene will get heavily regulated. < Most of them are running their online casinos from countries or independent Islands, where these law enforcement agencies cannot touch them. >
https://www.fairbinaryoptions.com/blacklisted-casinos/
Tbh i'm not verifying my bets, for a site have this and running for how many years like pd I don't bother to verify my bets if I lose. Having these feature makes you more comfortable that you won't get scam especially if you are a high roller.
Even if you trust a site definitely still verify bets, the big sites are the ones who could get away the easiest. It's the peace of mind I guess though.
I don't understand how anyone could trust other sites without this feeling of peace lol
Most players I have spoken start to play at a site based on the recommendation of a friend and they don't check basic things or care if a provably fair system is implemented.
If a casino avoid to implement this easy provably fair system, then they probably have something to hide?
Make a poll how many players care about it and you will be surely surprised.
If a casino avoid to implement this easy provably fair system, then they probably have something to hide?
Make a poll how many players care about it and you will be surely surprised.
People who are new to online gambling maybe they don't know how this provably fair system works so they may take advice from other people chose the gambling site. But once they gain some knowledge about bitcoins and how these games works then surely they will check by themselve site provably fair system.
Tbh i'm not verifying my bets, for a site have this and running for how many years like pd I don't bother to verify my bets if I lose. Having these feature makes you more comfortable that you won't get scam especially if you are a high roller.
I agree with that article and I also think that players should always search for provably fair games. It's exactly what it says there. When you go to a casino you expect randomness. You already know you will lose in the long run, so only the idea of randomness can let give you a chance of winning in the short run, if yu get lucky enough. That's the appealing of casinos. If that gets taken away, then there is not point in playing.
In many instances people have posted "Provably Fair" on their site and they have no " Provably Fair" system in place. Your average gambler will never investigate further and they will just accept that the site is " Provably Fair ". I hope the more technical inclined gamblers will fill that loophole and test and educate the people who has no clue how this system is supposed to function.
I also hear people can implement systems that looks " Provably Fair ", but once it is tested it turns out that it is rigged. Is this true?
I dont know if someone would decide to put their time or efforts on educating most of the gamblers on how they should verify if a site is provably fair knowing that not all gamblers are tech savvy which they would really have a hard time on realizing on what are the things being mentioned on here about provably fair this is why they dont really care at all as long they would able to see that there are lots of people do play on the site which they can assume that the site is provably fair.I also hear people can implement systems that looks " Provably Fair ", but once it is tested it turns out that it is rigged. Is this true?
After trying many gambling sites, for me, i don't really deposit big amounts on gambling sites because i do not expect to earn on those. I just deposit to see how and what are the games their. The only gambling that i actually had withdrawal was yobit.net but that was a long time ago. I do have some withdrawal from gambling sites but the amount is not as high as how much i had in yobit.
You might be get hacked also dude. What have done is perfect to save your bitcoin as well as to utilize the bitcoin in gambling. Still now bitcoin dice roll is working in Yobit site. When the bitcoin value was around 400$ I use to roll for 0.002 BTC for every roll but now value turns to 4k and even more. Yobit mostly operates as a trading platform only.
Really amazing article. Provably fair is something that I remember in this community was a MUST for all websites... Now it's fading away. Be safe & play where you know you can verify your bets.
In the past we are more concerned about it, then after there are some cases of gambling sites that do not pay the winning money now they are know if it's not important anymore but I'm sure there are still some gamblers who are concerned about it because it's important for some games. 
You might be get hacked also dude. What have done is perfect to save your bitcoin as well as to utilize the bitcoin in gambling. Still now bitcoin dice roll is working in Yobit site. When the bitcoin value was around 400$ I use to roll for 0.002 BTC for every roll but now value turns to 4k and even more. Yobit mostly operates as a trading platform only.
You guys should avoid yobit's dice they're not provably fair because you can't verify your rolls afaik.im not really into dice sites. but good info over there. thanks for sharing.
This applies to all bitcoin gambling games out there not only for dice sites.If you're in live match for example Vegas, I think there is not provably fair anymore , it's pure based on luck !
There's also a chance that we are getting cheated like this one for example.I also hear people can implement systems that looks " Provably Fair ", but once it is tested it turns out that it is rigged. Is this true?
That's true, I know two of them and they're both caught red handed here in the forum.
Thank you very much for giving details about Provably fair play in casino and other gambling sites as most of them including me dont know how to use provably fair system on gambling sites and what it means it. Now i understand the full meaning of the word and how it is processed.
Each bitcoin casino, I am registered are "provably fair" and show the algorythm, how the rolls are calculated. But are they really all provably fair? Maybe a technician can look behind the "provably fair" rolls. In some countries in Europe slots must be programmed, that winnings are limited, not to cheat people, but to prevent them against gambling addiction, at the same time they must be "provably fair".
In many instances people have posted "Provably Fair" on their site and they have no " Provably Fair" system in place. Your average gambler will never investigate further and they will just accept that the site is " Provably Fair ". I hope the more technical inclined gamblers will fill that loophole and test and educate the people who has no clue how this system is supposed to function.
I also hear people can implement systems that looks " Provably Fair ", but once it is tested it turns out that it is rigged. Is this true?
I dont know if someone would decide to put their time or efforts on educating most of the gamblers on how they should verify if a site is provably fair knowing that not all gamblers are tech savvy which they would really have a hard time on realizing on what are the things being mentioned on here about provably fair this is why they dont really care at all as long they would able to see that there are lots of people do play on the site which they can assume that the site is provably fair.I also hear people can implement systems that looks " Provably Fair ", but once it is tested it turns out that it is rigged. Is this true?
After trying many gambling sites, for me, i don't really deposit big amounts on gambling sites because i do not expect to earn on those. I just deposit to see how and what are the games their. The only gambling that i actually had withdrawal was yobit.net but that was a long time ago. I do have some withdrawal from gambling sites but the amount is not as high as how much i had in yobit.
You might be get hacked also dude. What have done is perfect to save your bitcoin as well as to utilize the bitcoin in gambling. Still now bitcoin dice roll is working in Yobit site. When the bitcoin value was around 400$ I use to roll for 0.002 BTC for every roll but now value turns to 4k and even more. Yobit mostly operates as a trading platform only.
Provably fair would be disruptive to the companies contracted to audit online casinos and their RNGs, making them redundant in fact. It would also eliminate the possible corruption that can occur in that department as well, taking away the human element in inspecting whether a casino is on the up and up with its games.
My parent always said that gambling is not fair, the code can be cheat but after I read this, provably fair is something fair for people who do gambling often especially when they play with bitcoin and website based
If you're in live match for example Vegas, I think there is not provably fair anymore , it's pure based on luck !
If you're in live match for example Vegas, I think there is not provably fair anymore , it's pure based on luck !
In many instances people have posted "Provably Fair" on their site and they have no " Provably Fair" system in place. Your average gambler will never investigate further and they will just accept that the site is " Provably Fair ". I hope the more technical inclined gamblers will fill that loophole and test and educate the people who has no clue how this system is supposed to function.
Accurate observation. The same goes for "licensed" and "regulated" and to some extent even lowest house edge or best odds. In fact, if you stroll through the casinos advertised even on this forum, you'll find some glaring misrepresentations.
I definitely agree that Provably Fair is now the minimum standard. But players do have a rather steep learning curve when it comes to verifying for themselves if the Provably Fair mechanism is as it claims. For the larger sites, there are open-source tools out there to use but that still requires manual verification of each wager made. I admit myself I hardly ever verify my bets at places I already trust, beyond the first few I always do when signing up to anew place.
I also hear people can implement systems that looks " Provably Fair ", but once it is tested it turns out that it is rigged. Is this true?
I've seen at least one alleged case, which you can discover for yourself in this forum, where the system apparently would only show the seed if you expressly requested it. It's since been fixed.
In many instances people have posted "Provably Fair" on their site and they have no " Provably Fair" system in place. Your average gambler will never investigate further and they will just accept that the site is " Provably Fair ". I hope the more technical inclined gamblers will fill that loophole and test and educate the people who has no clue how this system is supposed to function.
I also hear people can implement systems that looks " Provably Fair ", but once it is tested it turns out that it is rigged. Is this true?
I dont know if someone would decide to put their time or efforts on educating most of the gamblers on how they should verify if a site is provably fair knowing that not all gamblers are tech savvy which they would really have a hard time on realizing on what are the things being mentioned on here about provably fair this is why they dont really care at all as long they would able to see that there are lots of people do play on the site which they can assume that the site is provably fair.I also hear people can implement systems that looks " Provably Fair ", but once it is tested it turns out that it is rigged. Is this true?
After trying many gambling sites, for me, i don't really deposit big amounts on gambling sites because i do not expect to earn on those. I just deposit to see how and what are the games their. The only gambling that i actually had withdrawal was yobit.net but that was a long time ago. I do have some withdrawal from gambling sites but the amount is not as high as how much i had in yobit.
In many instances people have posted "Provably Fair" on their site and they have no " Provably Fair" system in place. Your average gambler will never investigate further and they will just accept that the site is " Provably Fair ". I hope the more technical inclined gamblers will fill that loophole and test and educate the people who has no clue how this system is supposed to function.
I also hear people can implement systems that looks " Provably Fair ", but once it is tested it turns out that it is rigged. Is this true?
I dont know if someone would decide to put their time or efforts on educating most of the gamblers on how they should verify if a site is provably fair knowing that not all gamblers are tech savvy which they would really have a hard time on realizing on what are the things being mentioned on here about provably fair this is why they dont really care at all as long they would able to see that there are lots of people do play on the site which they can assume that the site is provably fair. I also hear people can implement systems that looks " Provably Fair ", but once it is tested it turns out that it is rigged. Is this true?
In many instances people have posted "Provably Fair" on their site and they have no " Provably Fair" system in place. Your average gambler will never investigate further and they will just accept that the site is " Provably Fair ". I hope the more technical inclined gamblers will fill that loophole and test and educate the people who has no clue how this system is supposed to function.
I also hear people can implement systems that looks " Provably Fair ", but once it is tested it turns out that it is rigged. Is this true?
I also hear people can implement systems that looks " Provably Fair ", but once it is tested it turns out that it is rigged. Is this true?
im not really into dice sites. but good info over there. thanks for sharing.
nice article there, TIL
Does anyone know if Netent software can be tampered with?
That is very informative and true. Thanks for the post.
Very well written article. If you're a Bitcoin gambler, YOU NEED TO READ THIS. It's something that people are neglecting and a simple form of technology that can be easily implemented. Why are casinos not doing this? It's so easy, so they could easily have non ethical reasoning behind the scenes...
https://cryptogambling.org/why-should-care-about-provably-fair/ (I recommend reading the article on the site, better formatting)
Why YOU should really care about Provably Fair...
https://cryptogambling.org/why-should-care-about-provably-fair/ (I recommend reading the article on the site, better formatting)
Why YOU should really care about Provably Fair...
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When you stroll into a casino, approach the cash desk and leave with a handful of chips you do so for one reason and one reason only. You have faith that you might leave the casino a winner. This faith comes from the belief you have that the outcome of the bets you are about to place will be random.
You walk to the roulette wheel and place your bets on the table in the sure knowledge that neither yourself nor the person spinning the roulette wheel has any influence over the outcome of the spin.
This is not always the case online. You find a site, complete your due diligence and you make a deposit. You play and you lose, you play some more and lose some more, and eventually a thought crosses your mind… what if the site you are playing on is not fair?
How do you know that the casino you are playing at online is not simply generating any outcome that guarantees them the win?
Step to the rescue, Provably Fair. The latest online casinos are embracing a ground-breaking technology to completely remove this doubt from their players’ minds. To generate a random outcome, gaming sites utilise a seed and run this through an algorithm. A seed is simply a starting point to generate a random number and an algorithm is a series of steps taken to convert that seed into a pseudo-random result.
In a Provably Fair gaming environment the site publishes to the player the seed they are using in advance of the game, however they do so using encryption, such that the player is only able to determine the seed after the game has taken place. In a Provably Fair game, the player also provides their own seed to the server which is used as part of the random number generation process.
Once the game has taken place the player can decipher the seed belonging to the casino and verify that the outcome of the game they have just played was completely fair. That is, the casino generated the most random result possible without unfairly influencing the outcome in their favor.
Quite simply put, Provably Fair gaming is the fairest way of gambling anywhere online in the world.
Which is why when you play at a Provably Fair gaming site, you know the money you wager is in safe hands.
You walk to the roulette wheel and place your bets on the table in the sure knowledge that neither yourself nor the person spinning the roulette wheel has any influence over the outcome of the spin.
This is not always the case online. You find a site, complete your due diligence and you make a deposit. You play and you lose, you play some more and lose some more, and eventually a thought crosses your mind… what if the site you are playing on is not fair?
How do you know that the casino you are playing at online is not simply generating any outcome that guarantees them the win?
Step to the rescue, Provably Fair. The latest online casinos are embracing a ground-breaking technology to completely remove this doubt from their players’ minds. To generate a random outcome, gaming sites utilise a seed and run this through an algorithm. A seed is simply a starting point to generate a random number and an algorithm is a series of steps taken to convert that seed into a pseudo-random result.
In a Provably Fair gaming environment the site publishes to the player the seed they are using in advance of the game, however they do so using encryption, such that the player is only able to determine the seed after the game has taken place. In a Provably Fair game, the player also provides their own seed to the server which is used as part of the random number generation process.
Once the game has taken place the player can decipher the seed belonging to the casino and verify that the outcome of the game they have just played was completely fair. That is, the casino generated the most random result possible without unfairly influencing the outcome in their favor.
Quite simply put, Provably Fair gaming is the fairest way of gambling anywhere online in the world.
Which is why when you play at a Provably Fair gaming site, you know the money you wager is in safe hands.
thanks for that great info . im always a fan of provably fair and infact i love playing on it and that is the most games ive been playing since i known bitcoin gambling and i believe that its a verry fair game due to the fact that you can see and change your seed while playing the game. by the way im playing at freebitco.in
Really amazing article. Provably fair is something that I remember in this community was a MUST for all websites... Now it's fading away. Be safe & play where you know you can verify your bets.
I wish Dooglus was still around these places keeping an eye on things haha
Dooglus is still running Just-Dice but is usually in the CLAM's section I believe. JD should accept BTC again
Really amazing article. Provably fair is something that I remember in this community was a MUST for all websites... Now it's fading away. Be safe & play where you know you can verify your bets.
I wish Dooglus was still around these places keeping an eye on things haha
Really amazing article. Provably fair is something that I remember in this community was a MUST for all websites... Now it's fading away. Be safe & play where you know you can verify your bets.
Very well written article. If you're a Bitcoin gambler, YOU NEED TO READ THIS. It's something that people are neglecting and a simple form of technology that can be easily implemented. Why are casinos not doing this? It's so easy, so they could easily have non ethical reasoning behind the scenes...
https://cryptogambling.org/why-should-care-about-provably-fair/ (I recommend reading the article on the site, better formatting)
Why YOU should really care about Provably Fair...
https://cryptogambling.org/why-should-care-about-provably-fair/ (I recommend reading the article on the site, better formatting)
Why YOU should really care about Provably Fair...
Quote
When you stroll into a casino, approach the cash desk and leave with a handful of chips you do so for one reason and one reason only. You have faith that you might leave the casino a winner. This faith comes from the belief you have that the outcome of the bets you are about to place will be random.
You walk to the roulette wheel and place your bets on the table in the sure knowledge that neither yourself nor the person spinning the roulette wheel has any influence over the outcome of the spin.
This is not always the case online. You find a site, complete your due diligence and you make a deposit. You play and you lose, you play some more and lose some more, and eventually a thought crosses your mind… what if the site you are playing on is not fair?
How do you know that the casino you are playing at online is not simply generating any outcome that guarantees them the win?
Step to the rescue, Provably Fair. The latest online casinos are embracing a ground-breaking technology to completely remove this doubt from their players’ minds. To generate a random outcome, gaming sites utilise a seed and run this through an algorithm. A seed is simply a starting point to generate a random number and an algorithm is a series of steps taken to convert that seed into a pseudo-random result.
In a Provably Fair gaming environment the site publishes to the player the seed they are using in advance of the game, however they do so using encryption, such that the player is only able to determine the seed after the game has taken place. In a Provably Fair game, the player also provides their own seed to the server which is used as part of the random number generation process.
Once the game has taken place the player can decipher the seed belonging to the casino and verify that the outcome of the game they have just played was completely fair. That is, the casino generated the most random result possible without unfairly influencing the outcome in their favor.
Quite simply put, Provably Fair gaming is the fairest way of gambling anywhere online in the world.
Which is why when you play at a Provably Fair gaming site, you know the money you wager is in safe hands.
You walk to the roulette wheel and place your bets on the table in the sure knowledge that neither yourself nor the person spinning the roulette wheel has any influence over the outcome of the spin.
This is not always the case online. You find a site, complete your due diligence and you make a deposit. You play and you lose, you play some more and lose some more, and eventually a thought crosses your mind… what if the site you are playing on is not fair?
How do you know that the casino you are playing at online is not simply generating any outcome that guarantees them the win?
Step to the rescue, Provably Fair. The latest online casinos are embracing a ground-breaking technology to completely remove this doubt from their players’ minds. To generate a random outcome, gaming sites utilise a seed and run this through an algorithm. A seed is simply a starting point to generate a random number and an algorithm is a series of steps taken to convert that seed into a pseudo-random result.
In a Provably Fair gaming environment the site publishes to the player the seed they are using in advance of the game, however they do so using encryption, such that the player is only able to determine the seed after the game has taken place. In a Provably Fair game, the player also provides their own seed to the server which is used as part of the random number generation process.
Once the game has taken place the player can decipher the seed belonging to the casino and verify that the outcome of the game they have just played was completely fair. That is, the casino generated the most random result possible without unfairly influencing the outcome in their favor.
Quite simply put, Provably Fair gaming is the fairest way of gambling anywhere online in the world.
Which is why when you play at a Provably Fair gaming site, you know the money you wager is in safe hands.
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