Topic: Will Afghanistan fall into a prolonged state of war again? (Read 752 times)

how about..
for every american killed in america. one of trumps real estates should be wiped off the planet

hmm
in america.. 20,000 americans kill other americans...... no news no emotion

14 americans killed in a country they are not suppose to be in... mass media and twitter anger that afghanistan should be wiped out because people who shouldnt be there died and so the country they shouldnt be in should not be in existance..

seriously idiots writing tweets about destroying a whiole city due to a single death. really needs his own head checked because he is sounding more like a terrorist than the taliban are

This is not the time to play the blame game. The war on terrorism has been waged since 2001 against a small group of illiterates with guns, and despite billions of dollars being spent, these people are becoming more powerful every day. Return to your leaders and hold them accountable for enriching themselves while sending innocent husbands and fathers to die as a result of what they have produced.

This is your leader?

So the USA didn't even fully leave Afghanistan yet and there were 2 new bombing attacks killing American soldiers. This is getting difficult now for Joe Biden, because the American people will demand some kind of retribution. Going back into Afghanistan with a large army is not an option, but some kind of spec op mission with air support is definitely going to happen. The war is not really over, but it will only be small engagements behind the curtain. Also the NGOs are being asked to stay in Afghanistan and help with the rebuilding of the country, some kind of deal needs to be done here.

What are you talking about? He didn't say any of that. The press conference ended literally a minute later.

Edit:

I take it back, he did say some of it -- though it was all prefaced by the admission that he accepts responsibility for what happened.

If you listed to what he said immediately after that statement, you would have heard that he blamed the situation on the deal that Trump stuck with the Taliban, that the Taliban broke, which if Trump was in charge, would not have resulted in the US withdrawing.

There is always the potential for terrorists and enemy attacks against US troops. If we were to pull out our troops every time they are at risk of attack, we would lose every war.

The attack is entirely the fault of Biden. The attack was carried out by people who were freed from the prison at Bagram airbase that was abandoned by Biden last month. The US should expand its presence so it can increase security in Afghanistan.

There were 14 US troops killed.

Biden is blaming Trump on the deaths.

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Biden just admitted we had won the war in Afghanistan, even though he had surrendered less than two weeks ago.

ISIS really outdoing the taliban in the theocratic totalitarianism olympics. Radical islamic terrorism claiming yet even more lives.

Suicide bombing with multiple casualties, at least 3 US troops injured.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/26/explosion-rocks-kabul-airport-as-us-tries-to-evacuate-thousands-506937

US intel was right, shocker. They saw a terror attack on the airport incoming and starting evacuating troops in anticipation maybe. US troops will be shipped out of the country in record time, too much risk for them to stay around and I'm sure the US intel community knows this. Expect more terror attacks to come.

Edit - 40 + Afghans killed, 4 US troops killed.

Hopefully this long war will not be repeated.
A spokesman for the Taliban's political office, Suhail Shaheen, has declared that the war is over and called for peace with the international community.
And now for the type and form of the new regime in Afghanistan will be explained soon and possibly still being formulated considering the conditions are still post-war. the Afghan government urges citizens not to worry. stated that his life and property would remain safe.
In addition, dozens of countries from around the world called on all those involved in the events in Afghanistan to respect and facilitate the departure of foreign nationals and Afghans who wish to leave the country. it really symbolizes peace.

the afghan military had 200,000 troops in 2012
and that number has gone DOWN
in 2019 they had 'on paper' 185,000. but far far less on active duty, due to the fact that alot of the military were trained in air support roles not ground support roles

also to note. due to the deal trump done last year to start the US evacuation. he actually signed a deal that the taliban can take over as an effort to prevent al-queda taking over. part of this is saying to the afghan military to not intrude on the taliban take-over, but instead only seek out any al-queda threats.

and this is why the afghan army didnt put up a fight.

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the embassy employees were evacuated in july. all thats really left in afghanistan are the remaining american troops.

as for your 'last 24 hours 700 americans'
it is actually more like 2000 (averaging more than that per day)

as for your 40,000 american hostages... well that sounds like a number pulled out your back side
the state department counted between 5k to 10k americans expected to be in afghanistan
(as of date of your post)

your probably including all 'american contractors' which includes the native afghan translators and workers paid by america. by which.. yes they dont get an easy pass to get on a plane. but this is not really a taliban 'hostage taker' thing but an american policy about refugee application processing delay.

yes biden should just do a 'bring them all to another american controlled country' and process them in safety away from afghanistan, but at the moment its still a 'apply in afghanistan and wait your turn'... near impossible to do when all the US embassy's have gone

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Very good question OP, and of great relevance to this current situation. It is true that the Afghan army has 350,000 trained personnel.
While the Taliban only have 85,000 fighters and the vast majority are not trained for this.

One of the actions for which the government of Afghanistan did not act against this group of terrorists occurred through the government itself and its president.
We see the case of its former President Asharf Ghani, who said that his departure from the country was to avoid a massacre.
It is believed that because of this initiative the Afghan army did not act, to avoid mortality in the country.

It is also believed that it may be due to the agreement signed in Doha, Qatar. For the former President of the United Studies Donald Trump with the Taliban, who sought the agreement to safeguard the security of the United States and the agreement to bring peace in Afghanistan.
Although the visible result for the moment has been the fall of the Afghan government and the fear that the Taliban will restore the regime that they imposed in Afghanistan before the invasion of the West.

And if/when they get out of Afghanistan they will get shot with the mandatory de-pop 'vaccination' if they work in some capacity for the Biden regime.

I tell you, if I was an Western operative with skills and/or access to material, I would seriously consider 'getting lost' in the shuffle and starting a new life.  At least for a while.

https://twitter.com/Anthony/status/1428712321317318657/photo/1

Americans are in an extremely bad spot.

The French are rescuing their citizens at the Kabul airport but also making evacuations in other places, the US soldiers are stranded at the airport.

The US can't go around extracting US citizens or Afghan allies outside of the airport because the fear is that the Taliban will start a physical shooting war with American troops - that means more troops must be brought back to the region, and the war that Biden tried to end will have literally have become worse had Biden left troops there in the first place.

Americans are screwed, the government you paid for will not help you.

There were also some journalists saying that American citizens were being charged 2,000 USD for a plane ride home. The state department scrapped it once the stories began to circulate it.

You can fight against an army, but not against an ideology. The Afghan national army is 350,000 strong (trained and armed by the NATO) and the Taliban had around 85,000 active fighters (mostly illiterate, with hardly any formal military training). If they could seize most of the territory without much fighting (there was no warfare as such, the Taliban leaders just signed deals with provincial government and took over the administration), then it means that a large section of the Afghan population supported the ideology represented by the Taliban.

To prove the sentence with which you disagreed previously, and to inform you that Americans only pay Americans, and that those large sums of money never crossed the border.

I'm not against President Biden's troop pullout; I just despise the fact that Americans are posting high figures online while spending little and accomplishing nothing in Afghanistan. Hope you agreed with me now

Not sure why you're addressing this to me. You're the one saying that the US should keep stepping on the same rake over and over again.

Still perplexed as to why Americans and other NATO members have been battling less than 200,000 Taliban forces in Afghanistan for the past 20 years with no visible results? The Afghan war has been a source of cash for the wealthy in the United States, who have funneled billions of dollars into their own pockets, robbing from taxpayers. @Suchmoon

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you are based in SD? what ever you are such a liar, how is miss paski circling? 3 days and she is back, after all it was only 4 days ago isn't it?

I strongly believe that you are a transplant of the obama regime now working for the biden regime, aka an enemy of this republic.

I hope that if the FBI can be overthrown and the american people liberated that you will be martial courted and executed in full compliance with military laws.

have a nice day, suchmoon .

questions : what did hit the pentagon on 911? who mined WTC 7 for it's control demolition (no plane hit, said on tv, ask trump, he knows as everyone in the building industry) ? what happened in the week priors to 911 in wtc 1 and 2? how can people who never flown a jetliner get 2 hits? why didn't the israelis warning where heard, but only by silverstein and co? what was in the SEC records file on WTC 7 and the FBI files?

so how can a people give an instruction has an employer, if the said employee (FBI) is lying, like for pedogate with 2 arrests?

bye bye suchy... see you in jump suit soon .

Very dramatic. Also untrue.


I don't think invading foreign countries should be in the job description but ultimately it's the employer (the American voter) who decides it.

I've previously stated that the safety of Americans is dependent on the state of Afghanistan and Pakistan (homes of Isis, Al-Qaida, and Taliban militants). The best way to defeat your enemies is to keep them close, which is exactly what America has done for the past 20 years; now you understand why they had to sacrifice everything.


Because every danm American's life depends on it, and because America will NEVER help you until it benefits them, they approached Nigeria and Chad with ridiculous propositions a few years ago when the two countries needed help fighting Boko Haram. You are world power do your job!!!

They tried to give democracy to those Afghans who sided with them but these are just a few, some are even just pretending to like the democracy they gave. This country had been around for a very long time, Afgan already existed even before Columbus reached America. They can't make them forget the culture of these people in just 20 years no matter how much strength they will show even taking over the south.

What is necessary for them is to leave the Afghans alone, if they kill each other there and hail someone like Sadame, it's their choice. We have no say about it. But I don't think a leader will arise if he ain't giving good service to the people as well.

It's not strength to invade foreign countries and blow trillions of dollars there with no net gain at best, and likely with a whole new generation growing up to hate the US. "Insanity" is more like it.

This makes little sense why would Americans leave the country where there have been isolated attacks from terrorists and go to a war torn country? Their chance of survival would be better at home and not in a country which has been one of the biggest areas in the world for conflict recently. It was in the best interest of America to put the Afghanistan government in control and out of control of the taliban because they consolidate the power in the middle east. That has now changed and it is only because Biden is more conservative than previous presidents that America has withdrawn. I think Trump put in the order to withdraw before Biden was elected but the presidents before that have continued the war even when people were requesting America to withdraw.

Yes, Bin Laden was apprehended in Pakistan, but his training and camp were set up in Afghanistan, and he launched most of his attacks from there, so the Americans reasoned that deposing the Taliban, who had been in control since 1996, would weaken al-Qaeda's activities.

The Taliban retreated to the south after the Americans invaded Afghanistan and took control from them, while its leaders escaped to Pakistan. It's a tremendous failure to spend 20 years in Afghanistan and not be able to retake the south from the Taliban.

This is a big motivation to other Islamic State militias operating In Africa, America must show strength.

funny how the word "problem" getting in the routine of the regime propagandist... for those humans here, you have certainly already banned them, but funnily they pop like toxic mushrooms...

My problem with this rationale is that Osama Bin Laden was captured in Pakistan. If an occupying presence stays too long in one place, the terrorists can just move elsewhere.

The Americans failed when they agreed to remove their soldiers from Afghanistan in exchange for a stop to the attacks on American military bases and residents during a friendly meeting with the Taliban last year.

To avoid another terrorist assault on American territory like the one that occurred on September 11, 2001, Americans have been in Afghanistan since 2001 for their own safety, not for the safety of Afghans.

The civil war has been on going the last 20 years and the country is at the moment more stable than it was the past 20 years. atm there is no war the taliban have seized control now we have to wait how the world reacts and whether there will be new attacks on the new government in Afghanistan. Biden has said he will not be going back to war I think the war is over and the people of Afghanistan could suffer if the new rulers are what the western media has been portraying them as. 

I think Afganistan will not fall into a prolonged state of war again. Now, there will be an effort for peace and prosperity. Their people want no more war and fight. They are sick of nearly 30 years of fighting. Initial steps of the Taliban are showing that they will seek the solution, understanding for all fighting groups. They will make effort for peace , development, and restoration of employment & a better economy.

So the first problem was that the Afghan special forces where the first ones to fight the Taliban. They got completely surrounded and were left alone, there was no USA air support, or troops from the Afghan National Army. After all the special forces got wiped out it was pretty much over the. The normal Afghan Army was not trained to actually believe in their cause. They just took the salary and new equipment from the coalition and as soon as the real fighting started they went home. Really sad.

I want to know why the army of 20 years was beaten and collapsed in 2 weeks?
Although Taliban guarantees that Afghan war has ended, they will forgive all opponents.
But people in Kabul is very panic. May now Afghan women and girls will begin to prohibit education.

As the United States accelerates its withdrawal from Afghanistan, the withdrawal of the United States has exacerbated the imbalance of Afghanistan's internal power. At present, Afghanistan will fall into a situation of prolonged or normalized civil war.I also saw the video about the airport. Those people wanted to catch American planes. That scene deeply touched me. Human lives are so small and humble in the war. This is terrible.

Preventing another 9/11 style attack. Preventing terrorists from having a safe haven in Afghanistan. Giving basic human rights that Democrats claim to care about to the people of Afghanistan.

We have had less than 23 combat-related troop deaths per year since 2015. While we should do everything to prevent American military losses, this is a small price to pay compared to the next Obama Bin Ladin being able to carry out another 9/11 style attack.

There are currently somewhere between 11 and 40 thousand Americans in Afghanistan who need to leave the country. The Taliban currently has a "ring" around the Kabul airport, which is the only way out of the country. This does not count the thousands of Afghan translators who helped the US over the last 20 years.

To put the above another way, the Taliban currently has up to 40,000 American hostages. In the last 24 hours, the US was able to evacuate around 700 Americans out of Afghanistan.

Country may end up split-up  with a break away Northern Alliance
https://www.reddit.com/r/afghanistan/comments/p65wye/possible_new_footage_from_panjshir/

The Afghan military has been fighting the war since 2014. Trump did not make the decision to recruit, nor train them. The Afghan military relied on air and logistics support from the US, which Biden removed.

Trump was going to withdraw from Afghanistan but was going to keep Bagram air force base so we could still easily launch airstrikes. Trump would also only withdraw troops based on the conditions on the ground.

Trump was going to continue to provide the Afghan military support via air support. Biden basically handed the country over to the Taliban.

Biden is going to keep silent on Afghanistan as long as possible. He is going to avoid answering questions on Afghanistan for even longer. I am willing to bet that Biden will not take questions tomorrow. Biden saying anything on Afghanistan will hurt him politically. If Biden does not get his messaging on Afghanistan exactly right, it will end his presidency, and how Afghanistan was handled may end it anyway.

Biden was warned about the consequences of abandoning Afghanistan, but he did it anyway. He ignored advice from military and national security advisors. His administration was unprepared for how quickly the Taliban was able to take over.

The war in afghanistan has claimed thousands of lives and displaced millions. In an agreement with the united states the taliban has promised that it will not allow afghanistan to become a base for any terrorist group that could pose a threat to western countries the local political culture cannot be changed by force of arms in any society. The afghan war has been won by local social forces against america if this education reduces military aggression around the world, it will be a good achievement to end the Afghan war.

On the press menu for Joe Biden - https://twitter.com/KellieMeyerNews/status/1427802209740369921

No mention of Afghanistan (unless things changed), it's only Covid related. Situation hasn't improved and the Biden administration isn't even sure how many US citizens remain in the region. Current plans are for US military protection of Kabul's airport to end August 31st, no guarantee that Americans will be on a flight home by that time, they're being told to shelter in place for the moment, and fill out an e-form. So a clusterfuck, for lack of a better term.
 

actually YOUR OWN theory.. the extra 4000 troops in 2017(YOU MENTIONED). were added to increase the amount of training and advising..
meaning US had to INCREASE training.

as for me getting the clip of trump from a comic.
it was more about ease of a short clip to display.
i had links of trumps whole speach but that 2 hour video was just trumptardy gorilla chest beating. so i just looked up a quick link to a short version.

as for the afghans getting off their asses.. well when US done a deal WITH the taliban. its pretty much a stand down order for those fighting against the taliban to not put up a fight

oh and lets not forget. the taliban in afghanistan.. actually are afghanistan people too


imagine a dystopian version of america over the last 20 years
imagine it more like europe invading america 20 years ago and dictating that republicans are the enemy and europeans were training democrats to fight the republicans.
then dacade(s) later the europeans withdraw by doing a deal with republicans to win over the country as long as mexicans didnt take over..
no one likes the republicans but they are trying to force in their own government.
europeans are pretending that republicans are not true americans even though they let republicans invade the capital..
now its just time to get a real election where maybe the republicans step back and democrats take charge politically

So if your theory is right those guys retiring should have trained their successors in their own language instead of having Yankee soldier yell "hey fucktard" (kid you not seen this in a evening news broadcast but fucktard was bleeped out lol). The successors should have trained well and the people that you claim now work in supermarkets or other industries should have gotten off their asses and fought for their own country. Bet the veterans that are now working in other industries right now in our country will fight for us when shit hits the fan and perception of the FED stamps and class is removed from our minds.  Ok so you get your news from a late night comic while I post from the BBC news. If you were trying to make a comic point then make it. Enough said.

you do know the Afghans trained 20 years ago retired right..

most of the afghan military of 2016+ were not even born when the battles began
when you realise that most military frontlines are filled with people 18-24.. you have to realise that the guys trained in 2003 are now like 40yo and retired. probably working as security for supermarkets or bars now.
and the afghans in the military 2016+ are fresh recruits in their prime 18-24, trained(if you can call it that) recently


funny part is you pretend trump "wanted" as if it was a wish he didnt follow through on..  and not a physical act.. but reality is that he actually created a policy to withdraw troops in 2020.. and he made it so that it was near impossible to undo this policy by any new administration.. oops you forgot that bit
even last month trump was proudly chest beating how he actually made the policy that cant be undone
https://youtu.be/Fb0oBYkO--I?t=281
last year TRUMP organised a reduction of troops by july 2020 and a full removal by may 2021
emphasis trump
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_of_United_States_troops_from_Afghanistan_(2020%E2%80%932021)#Withdrawal
trump cut a deal WITH THE TALIBAN they they can take power as long as the taliban dont let al-queda take power

seems your trump fangirlism makes you not see real history and only see trumps glossy pamphlets.
and no tweet links from other fangirls will change history. it will just blind other fangirls into being fangirls and ignorant of history

The only thing I slightly agree with you on is the right vs. left or corrupt vs. lesser evil narrative is shit and it sucks. I guess I'm showing who I've become more right leaning over the years than left leaning. BTW I did not even respond to you so I guess you failed part of your own test. As for the other part of the IQ test you failed at is grammar test so I'll correct the quote above for you:

There should be IQ and culture tests before someone posts what is on their mind .

I even expanded the thoughts that were your sentence. No, the forum doesn't suck I don't blame the coding it is rather dated though to have Flash as a post option. I think some of the people suck though.  

you are ill informed, the reality is that the ANA only learned to fight with air support + us mercs + when things really got out of hands with american spec ops. they were left alone, unprepared.

secondly you have to forget the my team, their team (dems, reps) or what ever, but move to corrupts vs uncorrupts.

thirdly, you are right, some wants to live their lives the closest possible to sharia and the example of the Prophet (pbuh) and sadly others don't. Personnally, I don't like trannie story times, girls with blue hair and multiple sexual parteners, polyamory, denying basic biology, lies on tv, forced medication or a one world order government, however I still like bacon over my cheese burger.

in short I waste my time... they should be an iq and culture test before posting... .

this forum sucks.

bye.  

ps the previous afghan gov had tonnes of media operatives, online, in the traditional medias, etc, it was still smashed down in less than 600 hours and 8h of so called combat in it's capital... that's the reality of your work propagandists. and worst you dilute the thinking force of your nation with your constant crap about such or such "political agendas", all of those the previous afghan gov had, and look at them now... you think that as a little proagandists someone will pick you up at the airport of your capital? what do you think happened to the frontline germans nazis propagandists at each front collapse?

keep your jobs, spew the bs, then perish

how many seconds did it took to take back Crimoo? hehehe... performance is really rarely appreciated

bye

Uh CNN and MSNBC the usual suspects here just like those on BitcoinTalk...

CNN - “They’re chanting ‘Death to America’ but they seem friendly”?
https://twitter.com/nuffsaidny/status/1427285034801713160

CNN - CNN reporter Clarissa Ward before and after the fall of Kabul to the Taliban.
https://twitter.com/vtchakarova/status/1427271320492990478

MSNBC - MSNBC says it's been a "relatively peaceful" takeover of Afghanistan by the Taliban.
https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1427256303894896649


1. What rock have you been living under? We've been held Afganistan for the last 20 years. The Afghani forces have been trained under Bush, Obama, and lastly Trump. The soldiers literally called them fuckards when Bush was in charge because the Afghanis were so dumb and poorly educated. I wish I could find the clip but regardless they've had 20 years and they've been dependent upon the US just like I'm sure many are dependant upon Uncle Sam for a free handout every month and hell under COVID 'free rent'.

2. I'm actually agreeing with you on this one for once. Trump did want us to pull out of the middle east period. He didn't start any wars like most Republicans do. What is interesting is Trump actually added troops to Afghanistan in 2017. So really your point is somewhat flawed.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41314428

He wanted to pull us out of Afghanistan in 2020 and there was a build down after the build up.

3. Sure he sits in the hot seat and now their facade that Biden is cognitive and doesn't need to be 25th amendment'd is now fading. Kamila Harris wants to do this to him.

 https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1427146654763859970

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1427452358166990853

https://twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1427147474880368641

Maybe, it is time to give the power to them. It is their country, so be it. They have their own beliefs, culture and that's what they want to live by. Unfortunately, they have different outlook when it comes to women's rights. Maybe this war will be over if countries like US will not meddle their government affairs. But for those who don't want to live under the Islamic Estate, I hope they can find a way how to get out.

it was trump that ordered recruiting and training those troops that didnt defend their own country
it was trump that ordered the pulling out of american defense.

yes biden sits in the hotseat now. but it was trump that lit that seat on fire first

Thanks for your input gentleman. I hope to be able to share your pain. I have colored in red a part I really do appreciate... I personally can't stand lies anymore. I prefer failures, even craziness to lies and hypocrisy. As bad as it is, just say it, and let's work back from there. I don't need to protected, nor manipulated. Just the raw data, facts, the simple "what's going on".

I bought all the stories bout the evil 'radical Islamists' for decades.  Now I'm not so sure about a lot of this stuff.  For one, the people who 'control the narrative' are known liars, and seem to lie just for the fun of it often enough.  For two, it just doesn't make any sense that the real people on-the-ground in this country would be strongly opposed to 'the Talliban' and all their proclivities given the (reported) recent success.

Could it be that ordinary people simply appreciate honesty more than lies even if they don't agree with the entity?  I mean people who do what they say and say what they do like H. al-Assad, Nassaralla, etc?

Or maybe they don't like it when Afghan taxi drivers are imprisoned  at Bagram air-base and, when some psycho needs to 'blow off a little steam', hangs the person by his arms and beats him to death by hitting his legs with a club.  The coroner said that this guy would have had to have had his legs amputated if he had survived.  That's 'American exceptionalism' for ya...under the direction of the 'chosen people' at least.  Just because red-blooded Americans lost their power of memory left doesn't mean that Afghans have.

Another thing I would note is that the 'leaders' of so-called "ISIS" usually got their kippahs swapped out for turbans before the photoshoots but not always.  It's possible that 'this is not your grand-dad's Taliban' so-to-speak.  Even if it is, it was more-or-less a creation of the CIA anyway...but I repeat myself.

Who the fuck is arguing that? One of your straw people? You're getting really confused here. Put some flowers on the newest tombstone in the graveyard of empires and move on. You have no clue what you're talking about.

Very much true! But the problem is that they grew in a country they were opressed from their point of view of US. so their hate towards everything that is not nationalism is natural and can't be denied. In a very much weird way they will turn arround for the conservatorism and I am ok with that. The main problem and my main only concern is what happens with the women there. I find it inhuman to take a woman's rights because the real god whispered in Mohammad ear that the all other gods are fake. This was not a coupe d'etat. We all saw it coming, it's us fault that they did not respect the deal they had with talibans, maybe they would not even respect it a bit, but this gave them the reason to justify their action. We should be happy this war was a short one.

If you are referring to civilian deaths as a result of the war, the US pulling out of Afghanistan means the number of civilian deaths will go up. There is a reason why people were willing to hang onto the wings of a plane in an attempt to escape the Taliban -- it is because the Taliban is a brutal organization.

Over 70% of the people of Afghanistan is under age 25, meaning they have always lived in a country that gave them freedom and opportunity. With the Taliban, rights will be stripped of almost everyone, and there will be no opportunity for the Afghan people.

To argue that the Taliban taking over Afghanistan is somehow humanitarian is just ridiclous.

I can't find the original story: https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20210703-us-withdrawal-from-strategic-afghan-base-involves-degree-of-humiliation

But if you remember 2-3 months ago US withdrew from a military base near Kabul and the Afghan army found out in the morning what was going on. Stop pls saying Biden is a saint

That's not really what dying in a war means, especially if you're a civilian.

Not really, he is just evacuating the American people living in Afghanistan and he said the Kabul will be in their control for the next few months but Taliban took over the control in just under a week which itself makes everyone to think that Biden is on the losing side here. Most of the governments recognized that Taliban as one of the terrorist group so these drama of peace talk is all about the remove such tag and make them to be a legalized group.

The consequences of staying includes spending a little bit of money in order to guarantee Afghanistan won't be a haven for terrorists.

The US and NATO forces have not engaged in combat since 2014. The last time the US lost a service member in Afghanistan was 18 months ago. The Afghan military was fighting the Taliban with US support, primarily air support (that the US withdrew).

You make a good point in that the Afghans clearly were willing to fight the war with US assistance.

There are reports the Taliban is going door to door killing people who worked with the US and for the previous government, and raping women in said families.

Yea, none of this is true. They want the world to legitimize their new government and want to reduce the chances that the rest of the world will intervene.

This is specially for some opinions here

They won't do any of these things. They sure as hell won't respect women either. Never take Islamic terrorist seriously when they subject women to the torture of islamic theocracy. They'll be sure to rape women, or stone women to death for the crime of going out uncovered, or being unaccompanied by a man at the local shop.

These extremists' idea of treating women fairly is in accordance to their own twisted mentality in strict adherence to the core values of Islam. If you've ever read the Quran, it doesn't embody equality too well.

Biden is focused on helping the people stuck in Afghan atm but he does say that he will not be passing the war onto the next president. It sounds like the world has accepted that the Taliban has successful become the new government and there will be no future resistance. China and Russia looking for friendly ties to Afghanistan.

All other points might be true or can be fulfilled but i highly doubt the last one. Narcotics-free not so soon i guess.

People don't want to live like a hell for their remaining life that is why they are trying their best to escape from there because we are going to see a North Korea like government in Afghanistan from now on and I also watched that video in Twitter, two guys fell in the mid air and died as well.

Until now Taliban claims that they are not going to impose strict laws like what happened in their previous ruling period but this says that this is the end of US era.

Biden has today apparently authorised an emergency $500m to help the refugees, which is a good move.
As you might expect, the far-right has been vociferous in concocted outrage at this decision. But weirdly, Trump has come out on Biden's side... just probably not on Twitter 

This is sad to see but is really no different than when Russia was involved and tried for years to do the same thing.  The Taliban just did what they are good at which is waiting out the occupation by fleeing to the mountains or over into Pakistan and utilizing low level fighters to carry out attacks until whoever is in their country leave.  Soon as they feel the largest portion of the force has departed the very swiftly retake the key areas of the country. Sad to see so many who will suffer.

The Talibans promised to the people that they will not retaliate to the Afgan government bu I guess they couldnt trusf the word so they want to run as far as they could. Disturbing video really so why did the plane still tried to fly when they know there are people hanging there on the wheels?

Pakistan also open their borders for them. No country so far had offered to the refugees too.

Yes, this is sadly the case. Some countries are better than others, though. Sweden I think are pretty good, and Germany have taken over 1 million refugees in recent years.
My own country is probably one of the worst. We had a referendum on xenophobia a few years back, and the bad guys won.

It's a sad fact that migrants (including refugees fleeing persecution) are demonised almost everywhere. Particularly in Western nations with aging populations that would benefit hugely from an influx of largely working age people.

There hasn't been an American (perhaps NATO either, not sure) death in a long time, since February 2020 IIRC. But there has been an increase of Afghan deaths (millitary and civilian) in 2021 and 4000-5000 people died in this war every year in the last decade.

Well to be fair, you were invited, just by yourselves  

We shouldn't be too harsh on Biden, ending a 2 trillion dollar endeavor.

The neocons shouldn't turn into globalists just to spite him. After all, it's what they wanted. Consider the consequences of staying, prolonging an endless "war" that need not be. Of course, I use war loosely, because there hasn't been an actual war related death in something like a year.

When we invaded in 2001, we were not invited, and Afghanistan was not a democracy. Once we were able to remove the Taliban from having control of Afghanistan, elections were held, and the elected government asked us for help in fighting the insurgency.

The cost of remaining in Afghanistan was very low. American troops were engaged in very little actual combat. Afghanistan is not the only war zone American troops remained in after the war was won. World War 2 ended over 75 years ago, but we have 60k+ troops stations in Europe, the Korean war fighting ended via an armistice over 65 years ago, but we have 28k troops in South Korea, the USSR fell over 30 years ago, but we have 70k troops in former Soviet states.

Leaving any of the above would likely result in our enemies taking advantage of the situation, and there would be conflicts involving our allies losing wars against our enemies, just as what happened in Afghanistan.

It's all over in the news worldwide that the Taliban is now in Kabul and has taken over. I just hope that their word will mark and will be followed to the poor citizens that have been left there that there's no violence that will happen and things will remain normal. Knowing that these words are from the terrorist, that won't give any confidence.
But I cannot think of that after watching those videos of panicking people wanting to leave the country and crowding the airport and want to go elsewhere.

LOL WTF. Taliban invited the US invasion in 2001? Democratically elected?

Well, I guess they disinvited it now and "democratically elected" themselves again.

Idiotic claims like this is what needs to stop before there can be any hope of solving the never-ending wars.

After listening to President Biden's press conference, I believe the uprising will last for a long time. Biden stated that America will no longer send her sons and daughters to Afghanistan to die for the Afghan people, and that the Afghan government has been given all necessary tools and support to protect her citizens from Taliban militias.

This sends a strong message to other countries that rely on American soldiers; West African countries face similar terrorist threats. It is never a good idea to negotiate.

What a terrible speech.

Yeah Biden, we get it, you want to withdraw from Afghanistan. In fact, you probably have some Trump supporters and isolationists that are with you.

Problem is how he did it. Let the Taliban take over American military grade equipment, create a humanitarian crisis by not assisting in relocation efforts, and then under estimating the speed at which the Taliban retake Afghanistan. He tried to make this about ending the war, something everyone in the world agrees with, because American's goal in foreign policy is usually invading a country, fucking it up even more, and then leaving like it a mess like nothing ever happened.

I wonder if this is a joke

I think the Afghan military were severely overestimated, either they were totally
overwhelmed and knew fighting was a waste of time or if they did fight and were
captured would be brutalised.

With the military unable to defend the country  there is nothing leadership can do
against the Taliban.

After the country was liberated from the Taliban so much changed for the citizens,
women and children could get access to education for example, now those people
are very fearful of returning to a regime dating back to the dark ages, everything changes for them.

It appears that Biden made the decision to abandon Afghanistan on his own. I have heard that Biden's advisors advised against the complete withdrawal of Afghanistan.
This is a disaster. The cost to get to where we were in the War was high, but we were at a point at which the cost to continue the war was low. We only had a few thousand troops in Afghanistan, most were not seeing actual combat, but were rather providing training and support to the Afghanistan military, and it had been about 18 months since the last US causality.

There are reports of the Taliban going door-to-door looking for people who worked with the Americans, and of schools being burned down. Afghanistan is going to be a safe haven for terrorist groups.

We were not an occupying force, we were there upon the invitation of the democratically elected government.

Part of the issue was that the Afghan military relied on American air support, which was also withdrawn. The Afghan air force was unable to maintain their planes because US contractors were unable to help from Afghanistan.

The Taliban are not nice people. They will likely kill those who helped Americans.

I don't think Afghanistan can enter into another long war, according to the BBC website "88.3 billion dollars was spent" but the Afghan army of about 300k soldiers and equipped with good weapons and equipment collapsed in two weeks in front of the Taliban forces of only about 80k. Certainly, the reason is the corruption of the army and its leaders in the face of the insistence and ideology of the Taliban.
America, led by President Biden, is no longer interested in staying any longer in the country, which has cost it a lot of money and soldiers. The Taliban is very popular in Afghanistan, despite its militancy, but it is clear that the American presence is not desirable there, and the population is waiting for the first opportunity to expel the Americans and their local agents from there.
Whoever reads the lessons of history finds that the occupation of a country of any kind cannot last forever, it must end one day and the leadership return to the local population. Leaders supported by the occupation are totally undesirable for the local population.

Watching al jazeera news every hour. What is happening there is worse than the lost of Saigon for US. this is a dissaster and everything that is happening there is only US instabilities and interests of the rich.

a rich culture country like afghanistan was destroyed in the last 50 years by the soviets and by the americans the same way. nothing came out good from ww2 in the middle east. hopefully israel uae and iran or even will take a common stand against talibans and do something out of this situation.

i don't mind talibans in power but women need to have right, i don't care about democracy, but not totalitarism.

His experience is sitting in the senate and doing nothing. Biden's call to fame is being Obama's VP which is great and all, just results in some shitty foreign policy.

Maybe even Hillary Clinton would have done a better job, and that is saying a lot. There hasn't been many US solider casualties in the last 1.5 years in Afghanistan, so you're only footing the bill for the financial cost of war.

Keep in mind, the Biden administration new the Taliban would take back over, just not at the rate they did. So the world new this was coming.

Or heavens forbid, they fight against the Taliban. If one is certain to die it would far better that it be by defending your country vs attempting a zero-chance of survival from fleeing it like that.

Ya, that video is insane. Did those people think they’d be able to hold onto the side of a plane and fly to America? They were willing to die trying something so insane as opposed to living their lives. This shows just how much we got their citizens to rely on us, only to have a president leave them alone and in danger. 20 years wasted in 4 days. This is what weak leadership leads to.

The images from the airport at Kabul is quite disturbing, people were literally falling off a plane that just took off. Is it that bad or are people trying to take advantage of the situation and move to the Western world? I hope order is restored sooner than later

Very apt. There was no motivation or willingness to fight on the side of the Afghan army.

Well, I guess they thought they did it properly, trained the military, etc. Except... when you're in a country for 20 years and don't leave your compounds and humvees and talk to locals via interpreters, you can't possibly have a clue as to what's really going on, can you? Taliban didn't appear out of nowhere to take over the whole country. It was always there, pushed a little bit away from major cities.

As for leaving painlessly... we should have offered asylum to everyone who wants it. But that would never fly (no pun intended) in any Western country, or any country really. No one wants millions of Afghanis. We want to be outraged about our foreign fuckups from a safe distance.

Yeah, I'm not disagreeing. They needed to get out, and the exit was always going to be messy... it's just that it didn't have to be quite this bad. They should never have gone into Afghanistan in the first place, but once you're in, and when you've been there for twenty years, you have a duty to the people of the country to make the exit as painless as possible... which is not what's happening. Some of the video footage is horrific.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/16/kabul-airport-chaos-and-panic-as-afghans-and-foreigners-attempt-to-flee-the-capital

They weren't able to "fix" it in 20 years. It should be obvious by now that more soldiers and more money isn't gonna do anything positive, just increase the resentment towards occupying forces. I bet there are numerous countries in the world who would happily take the billions of dollars and put them to much better use than drones and bombs.

Seems the likely outcome, yes. I appreciate Biden has nearly half a century of experience, but has he really thought this through? It could quite easily become the defining action of his presidency.

Yes, the cost of the war was astronomical, and yes a few thousand US troops died... but just abandoning a country to its fate when you decide you've had enough is not a great decision either tactically or ethically. This could become a disaster, with a sizable proportion of the population running for the border while they still can. And who will get the blame if al Qaida rise again? All fingers will point in one direction.

Seal the borders for a year or more to let the Afghani's settle things for themselves. It is their country and their problem. Then as long as the victors do not threaten their neighbors or rest of the world (or give sanctuary to others who do), start negotiating with them regarding world trade.

No, because all three are selected Stooges


A Taliban spokesman still has an active Twitter account, despite the platform’s suspension of former President Donald Trump for “hateful” and “violent” content.
Twitter account @Zabehulah_M33

21 years in enough
https://twitter.com/i/status/1427131838548619265

Peace deal signed
https://youtu.be/X3UJLeHGDQc

No i don't think so. The war is over after 20 years now, USA and all other Nato members left Afghanistan. Yesterday Kabul was transfered peacefully to the Taliban and the president fled the country. Taliban are back in power. Also for the Taliban this like Christmas now, they got all the trucks, guns and other equipment from the Afghan Army and the American tax payer. They even captured drones and planes. 20 years of training for the army and it collapsed in 2 weeks.

At first glance, this looks like a re-run of how sec-state Clinton built ISIS.  The various military partners kept 'losing' equipment day after day until ISIS were all decked out in new U.S. military uniforms and driving brand new humvees.

Reminds me a lot of Kirkuk in 2014:  https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2014/0623/In-looted-Kirkuk-armory-hints-of-the-Iraqi-crisis-endgame

In the short term, the war is chaotic, and in the long term, it is impossible for the Taliban to gain state control.

Probably not. The Afghanistan military more or less put up no fight against the Taliban once Biden pulled American and allied troops out. The Taliban will take over the entire country in short order.

Nope. All I think was planned as to why would the US go abandoned the area in the first place. It was because they know they are on the losing side anymore and the Taliban as we know will become legitimate in the end. By the time it's going to be a real political party that rules the country, the Chinese deal will be finalized too.

Look how fast they have conquered the regions that weren't previously ruled by Taliban. The Afghans will just think they have finally pushed out their enemy.

Check these news about Afghan below.
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/south-asia/afghan-government-seeks-to-hold-capital-kabul-as-taleban-takes-jalalabad
http://baijiahao.baidu.com/s?id=1708211294606631855&wfr=spider&for=pc
https://www.foxnews.com/media/trey-gowdy-have-we-kept-word-to-afghan-people
Will Afghanistan fall into a prolonged state of war again? How do you think of it?