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March 06, 2024, 04:04:26 PM
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I think AI will take over a lot of these things.  I'm actually against it, I like the human element of the game and don't want it so robotic.  Even in other sports same thing, no need for refs at a certain point.  The one thing it will take out of the equation is corruption by the officials or refs.  Even then someone will find a loophole to exploit.  But yeah it's probably coming.
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March 06, 2024, 03:02:56 PM
#64
It is true that VAR have been making some errors lately but what do we expect? VAR simply stands for Video Assistant Referee which comprises of some set of people who assist the referee to review some decisions and so on, so since we know that humans are the ones that assist the referee then mistakes and errors are bound to happen because no one is perfect. Some decisions are very difficult to assess despite using VAR to review them and it seems only AI can be perfect to make perfect decisions on tight situations just like the Goal line technology.

AI would be the perfect solution to put an end to all this drama because no human can be perfect as AI. People will not say some clubs are being favored anymore.
I also look at it from that angle because AI has done a good job in the world in this short period of time but can AI do the work perfectly without the assistance of human? That should be another question that should be rising if the change finally take place. I discovered the malfunctioning of VAR the match between Nigeria and Argentina in the year 2022 Qatar World Cup. The penalty that was issued against Nigeria to favour Argentina was in question. Well
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February 27, 2024, 07:31:34 AM
#63
It is true that VAR have been making some errors lately but what do we expect? VAR simply stands for Video Assistant Referee which comprises of some set of people who assist the referee to review some decisions and so on, so since we know that humans are the ones that assist the referee then mistakes and errors are bound to happen because no one is perfect. Some decisions are very difficult to assess despite using VAR to review them and it seems only AI can be perfect to make perfect decisions on tight situations just like the Goal line technology.

AI would be the perfect solution to put an end to all this drama because no human can be perfect as AI. People will not say some clubs are being favored anymore.
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February 27, 2024, 07:08:27 AM
#62
This is very possible for AI to take over VAR in their future because due to the accuracy sometimes there could be some errors in the VAR but with AI there will be always an accuracy along the process, but we can also think about the advantage and the disadvantages over human. When such AI is introduces we can say it would occupy the space of human where creating little space for employment. If a bot is being fixed to handle such position meaning it would be program in way where human won't control rather it would control itself maybe at the late end of the game there could be some review to detects the common errors.
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February 27, 2024, 02:26:13 AM
#61
Well, in life we all experience growth and changes and the world it self is rapidly growing with so many advancements in the technological aspects of humanity. Since the advance of ai. Men has seen it as a way to assist humanity and support man artificially.

Implementing the use of Ai, in the aspect of sport won't be a debate for long as we can already see the need for it to be designed as assistant in various aspects. The var for long has been a way to help refree detect foul that may not be caught with the physical eyes. During these field events. There might be so many activities going on at same time and one may not focus on them at once.
This will assist a long long as the refree will be aided artificially in these aspect. So long they are designed to avoid error reports then probably if they are designed it will help a long way.
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February 23, 2024, 09:52:06 AM
#60
Before we criticized VAR we should know that there is nothing wrong with VAR but the humans who control the machine. VAR cannot function without humans controlling an aspect of it. It is these referees who make VAR ineffective because of poor decisions regardless of the presence of VAR. I think the referees should be sensitized to the need to make proper use of VAR and any referee who officials unjustly or neglects to review incidents when necessary should be dismissed outrightly because that will make a lot of them transparently because of the fear of dismissal.

Advocating for AI will also not solve the problem because no matter how perfect AI will be referees will make it imperfect and then we would start advocating for another system. I think we should target the cause and the effect will be corrected. For instance, when Newcastle played against Arsenal, the ball went out of play but the goal stood after the game we heard that cameras could not cover that angle coupled with other reasonings just to justify the decision but if this is the case, then they should make sure camera covers every angle in the pitch to prevent such errors in subsequent matches and thus enhance officiating.
I think it will only  be a matter of time before AI gets used to upgrade on VAR or infused into the VAR program to make decisions rather than just the mere functions of just replay, fast-forward, pause, zoom in, different camera angles.
The fear that humans can also decide to encode different softwares of AI into VAR programs across various leagues and competitions that have been accepting the use of VAR to assist the referee make good decisions is one that is still making it just a referee assistant for now.

I agree with Mourinho about how well the VAR functions and aids good referee decision during CAF use for their tournament, however, I believe by still keeping the use of VAR limited to just video and playback assistance, AI won't take over human resources as per soccer or sports officiating is concerned because the controversy of an AI software being hacked during a huge tournament is by far worse than just a bad referee decision at a moment.
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February 23, 2024, 08:53:58 AM
#59
Before we criticized VAR we should know that there is nothing wrong with VAR but the humans who control the machine. VAR cannot function without humans controlling an aspect of it. It is these referees who make VAR ineffective because of poor decisions regardless of the presence of VAR. I think the referees should be sensitized to the need to make proper use of VAR and any referee who officials unjustly or neglects to review incidents when necessary should be dismissed outrightly because that will make a lot of them transparently because of the fear of dismissal.

Advocating for AI will also not solve the problem because no matter how perfect AI will be referees will make it imperfect and then we would start advocating for another system. I think we should target the cause and the effect will be corrected. For instance, when Newcastle played against Arsenal, the ball went out of play but the goal stood after the game we heard that cameras could not cover that angle coupled with other reasonings just to justify the decision but if this is the case, then they should make sure camera covers every angle in the pitch to prevent such errors in subsequent matches and thus enhance officiating.
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February 23, 2024, 08:47:00 AM
#58
Having human intervention is always better, in my opinion. Humans using technology to make decisions better should always be the maximum level of using artificial intelligence or technology. Something like goal line clearance is done is perfectly fine. In any case, I don't think AI is good enough to take subjective calls like what constitutes a foul and what isn't. It will take a few years to make the technology functional. It will have to go through unlimited number of permutations and combinations and then check what the history of the decision of a similar even has been. Will take a while for that.
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February 23, 2024, 08:46:30 AM
#57
I have been hearing stories on Video Assistant Referee which is popularly known as VAR errors and and people are complaining that VAR is not doing well again so they should remove it while some are saying it is meant to favor one team over the other. And I can also noticed that in the 2022 world cup. And I saw this

And I also made research on Google and I saw more errors from VAR so I was also thinking that will the Artificial intelligence AI will takeover the position of VAR to give accurate results from the pitch? And today I have seen this again.

There is another story again. Joe Mourinho also advised the European Football Union to handover VAR to CAF because according to him CAF used VAR very correctly than the European league.


So what is your day on this matter. Will AI takeover VAR?

For now, we may not see to the use of AI as being effective on the football sport games because of the reasons why people are so much interested in sport games is because of it nature being a live match that everyone can see without having any influence of any external constraint in determining what comes in and out of the match, same way some made a suggestion on the use of  blue card, the entire system instituted already is fair enough in making the right decision towards the whole outcome of every match but people will always complain and show discomfort especially when the judgement is not in their own favour, there's nothing wrong with the VAR system and use of AI is not the best alternative in this. 
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February 23, 2024, 08:36:54 AM
#56
I don't know if AI would takeover the VAR somedays in the football game yet. If you ever feel the partialities in football about the referees being biased to other teams and yet they are not being called upon or sanctioned that means there is a politics (foul play) in the football game which would be difficult for the the AI technology to be introduced to the system.
And truly if you ask me I would say the said VAR had been a rebel to the football game with the aim of favouring a team for self interest. But if the AI technology would be introduced then it would be the best of it.
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February 23, 2024, 12:48:13 AM
#55
I think we should opt for the lesser of two evils... because human error or bias are difficult to prove, but software being altered to give advantage to a specific team... can be traced, because it leaves a digital footprint.

AI (VAR) might not be perfect, but it is pretty close and probably more fair and biased than humans.  Wink

AI had failed before, think of Microsoft's AI chatbot (@TayandYou) that were taught by humans to be racist and subsequently had to be taken down  Roll Eyes
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February 23, 2024, 12:39:17 AM
#54
Damn I never thought that such mistakes by referees could also happen in football. This kind of referee error is very common in da NBA eventhough they review it at the NBA Replay Center.

 Well, if AI were to take over VAR and we were to accept its calls or reviews as correct with no issues, I would still feel bad for the referees if this were to happen.But in case that AI also makes mistakes in its calls what would happen then? So, for me I believe we should let and stick to the referees continue to work with VAR.

It’s common scenario on Football since they are playing on larger space compared to other team sports while they have a lot of players that the refs need to watch consistently back and forth on both goal.

Actually VAR is doing well in general except for some rare cases that involves trivial call since it’s crucial while the video footage is not that very clear. I believe AI decision will surely accurate based on the set standards by human by I doubt the result will always be fair since it’s decision is limited on what’s the set parameters while some situations needs a human touch to determine the true findings. I think the combination of AI to VAR will very good so that the decision will not be biased.
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February 22, 2024, 06:54:59 PM
#53
Damn I never thought that such mistakes by referees could also happen in football. This kind of referee error is very common in da NBA eventhough they review it at the NBA Replay Center.

 Well, if AI were to take over VAR and we were to accept its calls or reviews as correct with no issues, I would still feel bad for the referees if this were to happen.But in case that AI also makes mistakes in its calls what would happen then? So, for me I believe we should let and stick to the referees continue to work with VAR.
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February 22, 2024, 05:39:30 PM
#52
I don't know if Artificial Intelligence will take VAR over or not but what I know is that the VAR has not been used correctly many times.I have said this case many times and I will repeat here again as it really is scary.The last season game between Valencia vs Sevilla in which Valencia scored more than a regular goal and the referee saw it many times and intentionally said play on.This type of behavior is what needs to be eliminated not only from soccer but from any sport.
Nobody knows yet but because of the malfunctioning of VAR that is making people to predict that AI with it intelligent and fast thinking brain might take over VAR. But there are some comments I saw here is also reasonable because what AI will do that VAR has not done it. And how are the AI will monitor the field and the players in the game. So when I also reason these questions, VAR and Ai are just like one and if they will do anything to VAR they can only improve on the technology of VAR or AI to the VAR technology.

And before VAR was introduced referees were suffering some group of teams and supporting other. I have seen this kind behaviors from referees before and now the malfunctioning of VAR is causing commotion in the sport field. Let see what will have in the future of VAR and AI.
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February 18, 2024, 02:18:22 PM
#51
I don't know if Artificial Intelligence will take VAR over or not but what I know is that the VAR has not been used correctly many times.I have said this case many times and I will repeat here again as it really is scary.The last season game between Valencia vs Sevilla in which Valencia scored more than a regular goal and the referee saw it many times and intentionally said play on.This type of behavior is what needs to be eliminated not only from soccer but from any sport.
What do you mean by scored more than a regular goal? Does it mean the goal is not valid? And are there VAR on that game? If not then this is why they are needed because some referees are not fair, not unless if they also manipulate the VAR (I think that's possible) but I agree, this needs to be stopped as this was so annoying and makes the game or the sport so bad.

Those people should be kicked out and hunted down because there might be more of them, but on the question if AI will take over VAR, no it will not happen because I think VAR already had an AI on it, though they might only need to improve it because I heard some complaints about it.
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February 15, 2024, 05:43:27 PM
#50
So what is your day on this matter. Will AI takeover VAR?
What I have to say:
Humans will always be humans, and machines will always be machines. No matter what new development they bring to football for assistance, there are people who will still be against the idea that it's in favour of the other team more than ever. It's just human nature; everyone won't accept everything, no matter how perfect the technology is. 
 
So even if AI is to be introduced today, there will be some sort of disagreement among others that the VAR is not also computer-made? What difference will it make from the AI aside from the little advancement that they might make on it?
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February 15, 2024, 05:22:26 PM
#49
Will AI takeover VAR?

Currently AI is still new, and when it is implemented now, there may still be many errors that will arise. Moreover, I'm not sure there are any institutions or organizations currently developing AI for real sports. So I'm sure that AI will be used in sports, but not now or in the near future.

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February 15, 2024, 05:12:08 PM
#48
Introducing an AI now is not a bad idea but I don't think this will happen sooner or later, I think some reasons might be attributed to this decision and if FIFA wanted to make this decision it would have been announced since but we've not heard of such yet.
I will also support this decision cause aside making mistakes some mistakes get too obvious and sometimes the annoying decision can ruined the game, I have seen a lot of unfair decision but still the game has to go smoothly for things to be in order.

AI has been one of those great advancements of technology that has help to carry out works meant for humans, day by day new AI are created to actually ease work for humans and also displace some People from there work. Upon the advancement of technology, AI can not replace human intelligence in some decision makings because it is built in command.

This is the reason why I would say no matter how, AI cannot be used for VAR decision making. Most people think the VAR only looks at offside and penalties only but it is far beyond that, they look at even moment that lead to those things, like players shrugging each other. Also some calls are supposed to be made base on the condition do the moment and that can’t be done by AI because this cases varies and would not be programmed.
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February 15, 2024, 04:59:05 PM
#47
Introducing an AI now is not a bad idea but I don't think this will happen sooner or later, I think some reasons might be attributed to this decision and if FIFA wanted to make this decision it would have been announced since but we've not heard of such yet.
I will also support this decision cause aside making mistakes some mistakes get too obvious and sometimes the annoying decision can ruined the game, I have seen a lot of unfair decision but still the game has to go smoothly for things to be in order.
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February 15, 2024, 08:58:33 AM
#46
One thing is certain in life, when situation go against us we always complain, but we we are the ones benefiting we won't complain. We have to remember that whatever that involves human there are going to be some errors these errors doesn't mean that the system is not working, it only mean that there are still room for improvement. Even if Ai takes over there are still people who will complain. If CAF utilized var correctly that means every other football bodies can do it too, it's just for them to continue improving their errors.

Definitely I agree to this.one thing in life that is ever constant is change.so as things tend to change to the dimensions of revolution the human mindset towards a lot of things changes too and that's the certainty of life.

Yes CAF might have been trying the long while but the duration of when they can't be recognize again for a default doesn't mean they ain't good enough,of course they are.
But with the look of things  Ai is taking over them and I'm sure they will go beyond CAF expectations if They don't realize the bone of contention of their problems and remedy it for the better.
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February 15, 2024, 08:49:42 AM
#45
In Greek league until recently referees would be from other countries to cover for impartiality reasons. For example teams would often complain that the referee in their match showed favoritism towards the other team. Having a referee completely from abroad solves this issue, but it's a very expensive endeavor actually and recently teams stopped trying to fund this.

Issues with VAR being inaccurate have also to do with many football leagues not agreeing to spend what's needed for upkeep and staffing costs so oftentimes the shots VAR has are not as detailed as it would be needed to take decisions based on it. Handing the VAR decisions to an abroad agency would solve the impartiality issue, but the referee on site would still need to utilize their suggestion to make a decision himself, which still is not an ideal scenario. Even with AI, I still see this issue existing. You can't remove the referee from having the final say.
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February 15, 2024, 08:27:10 AM
#44
I have been hearing stories on Video Assistant Referee which is popularly known as VAR errors and and people are complaining that VAR is not doing well again so they should remove it while some are saying it is meant to favor one team over the other. And I can also noticed that in the 2022 world cup. And I saw this

And I also made research on Google and I saw more errors from VAR so I was also thinking that will the Artificial intelligence AI will takeover the position of VAR to give accurate results from the pitch? And today I have seen this again.

There is another story again. Joe Mourinho also advised the European Football Union to handover VAR to CAF because according to him CAF used VAR very correctly than the European league.


So what is your day on this matter. Will AI takeover VAR?

I don't know if Artificial Intelligence will take VAR over or not but what I know is that the VAR has not been used correctly many times.I have said this case many times and I will repeat here again as it really is scary.The last season game between Valencia vs Sevilla in which Valencia scored more than a regular goal and the referee saw it many times and intentionally said play on.This type of behavior is what needs to be eliminated not only from soccer but from any sport.
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February 15, 2024, 07:33:15 AM
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I'd say definitely. I think a lot of mistakes that VAR decisions bring out are because, at the end of the day, it's still a human being that identifies whatever actually happened in those moments, and said moments are pretty short from the event itself to them needing to release the decision about the event or not. If enough data was fed and accuracy was aimed to be the goal, then I 100% reckon AI would 100% replace VAR, or at least the personnel behind it. They might even work together in the early days really just to reduce the amount of mistakes (not that VAR hasn't done a lot of said mistakes tbf).

It will take time though. You know how nitpicky stuff like these can, especially if it's a controversial idea like putting AI to replace the work that people do.
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#42
I'v actually not heard of AI been introduced into the football pitch yet at this time so I can't really discuss on it been a replacement for VAR but I know that it's very possible if AI tested and proven to be better than VAR then it will be used to replace VAR but then it's very true VAR has made some errors over the years which has not been good enough and has aswell favoured one teams against the other in some cases, but then VAR at times has also helped the refree make some good decisions which helped some games get fair results.

I wouldn't want to say that VAR isn't erroneous but then it has done more harm than good but the problem sometimes may have been between the people in charge of the review they may have been the ones with wrong judgement.
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February 15, 2024, 06:53:11 AM
#41
I don’t think it will for a while, if ever. It couldn’t be much worse than VAR used by PL officials in England though. They have been terrible, especially this season where Liverpool have been on the wrong end of the most decisions according to ESPN.

I like anything that makes the correct decisions. VAR is a great tool but in the PL t is operated by incompetent or corrupt officials.
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February 15, 2024, 05:59:32 AM
#40
This is a nice answer though everyone has their way of thinking and seen or understanding the thread so I will not not some are correct and while some are wrong but all are correct and depends on the angle each commenter understands it. Some say yes AI will takeover the function of VAR because VAR is not trusted and some if AI takeover the function of VAR what will it do? Well those are some of the questions we have to answer. I think the technology in the world is increasing every day and night and the new technology that will come and take over VAR from AI will be very much highly intelligent.

The errors of VAR is getting out of hand so they have to look for a new way to settle this problem.
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February 15, 2024, 03:34:54 AM
#39
With what is happening around football in relation to VAR, well, it is not inappropriate to say that VAR is doing a good job, but with errors. These errors are not much, nevertheless, it could be so painful at times. Regardless, VAR has been a very good assistance to the referees and I do not think that abolishing it totally is the right decision as some people are glamorous but to improve on it. Nothing is perfect in life, which is why in the case of VAR as well, it can't be perfect, it is the human beings behind the screen and also privileged to be watching the match live on the pitch
 that should make some corrective decisions almost immediately to better help the VAR.

And if it is to give it more time before a decision is made, they should, not that they will leave everything to VAR to do. VAR is a computer program, itself will not make that mistake, it is humans that are judging it wrong, and based on the programs in it and the way they conclude on its advice. This is what I believe they should work on, but it seems that FIFA is lagging behind in this regard.

No one can say that VAR is still at a testing stage, that can't just be with the years it has lived, since 2016. They should have perfected it better by now instead of letting it cause a daylight robbery in football.
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February 14, 2024, 05:48:47 PM
#38
Truly the officiating in the AFCON was very impressive, the best I have seen so far, there was no controversy or dispute of referees decisions except maybe in the finals. I’m not surprised this has a lot of people talking. For me, I love football and do not want the game to be ruined by this wave of AI. I would hate to see my team lose because of a machine error.
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February 14, 2024, 03:24:07 PM
#37
I harp about this all the time, and I probably wont stop..but I think it's an important topic and distinction that needs to be made here.  AI does not exist, yet.  This is simply advanced programming.  There's no artificial learning going on here.  The programs are human made and controlled, they are programs that often use a "mash-up" of data, organize it and then spit it back out.  This type of tech would be utilizing tech we already have.

If you don't believe me or agree, don't take my word for it- https://www.newyorker.com/science/annals-of-artificial-intelligence/there-is-no-ai
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February 14, 2024, 01:53:15 PM
#36
whenever something is implemented in sport, there will be failures in the first few years, we just need to see that VAR is not yet in many African leagues, so it is a technology that is still being adapted to the present day, before VAR was implemented, there were many games where there was a lot of injustice, things like a certain team winning the game because of an unfair penalty, things like fouls being called for no strong reason, so the implementation of VAR in my opinion was very welcome. I saw a post from someone who talked about what Mourinho said. but mourinho is wrong, in AFCON games there were many situations in which VAR was not used well, it was as if AFCON games were manipulated to benefit certain teams

And that doesn't surprise me because I'm African and I'm already used to the corruption that exists in African football. So what Mourinho said is absurd, if they gave VAR to the Africans to control European games, without a doubt we would see corruption at alarming levels. I also don't agree with putting AI in VAR, in my opinion as things stand, it's very good, there just needs to be more supervision for everyone involved in the game, so that errors can be reduced and punished when the error is confirmed as being a purposeful error to harm a certain team, even though technology is good, we still need to trust humans
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#35
The intention may not be to take over the VAR but to use AI technology integrated into the VAR because that way you can know whether a violation has occurred or not because current technology is quite sophisticated if we look at it so far, but whatever it is, you still have to use a human touch so that it doesn't happen. mistakes, even though technology is getting more sophisticated doesn't mean AI doesn't make mistakes, even if it is made so perfectly, whatever it is, it must require a human touch.

So far I see that VAR has been quite good since it has been used, but maybe it is not as effective when using it, humans still make mistakes in making decisions about the penalties that should be given to clubs when playing, but with AI technology it can certainly help make everything easier to find out in detail whether a violation has occurred. whether it should be legal or not, I believe current technology can be used to integrate AI into VAR and it also seems quite good, but maybe there are those who are not happy with it. Everyone's views are definitely different on this matter, we have to respect that.  Wink
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February 14, 2024, 09:24:04 AM
#34
One thing is certain in life, when situation go against us we always complain, but we we are the ones benefiting we won't complain. We have to remember that whatever that involves human there are going to be some errors these errors doesn't mean that the system is not working, it only mean that there are still room for improvement. Even if Ai takes over there are still people who will complain. If CAF utilized var correctly that means every other football bodies can do it too, it's just for them to continue improving their errors.
Obviously, AI cannot take over anything in this world. Have we forgotten that it was created by humans, and it is also humans that ca decides to send them into extinction if they feel like. AI are only but a helping hand to make things easier, accurate and faster for humans. The algorithms and intelligence were given to them by humans. And if any mistake were made along the line the AI will as well have flaws. AI prediction in gambling is not accurate. It is based on the statical information provided to it that it uses to predict outcomes of games. There will be mistake just like other AI machines, but there is logic it can help solve while you as a gambler try to filter the Prons and cons before placing the bet.
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February 14, 2024, 09:07:48 AM
#33
I already commented abour the VAR a few days ago: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63591715

People have to understand that VAR is evolving, it's not quick that the technology will be 100% efficient
Mistakes have decreased a lot, I watch a lot of soccer and I'm sure they have, even if they pause the game, it's important that mistakes are minimized
Those who are against VAR have to understand that nowadays there is a lot of work and money involved (including our bets), so that there are errors that harm a team and can destroy months of hard work, I think everyone here knows a match that had some error and make your team disqualify from a tournament

In a few years the natural evolution is for VAR to be done via AI, these errors will be minimal, and it will be very fast, possibly done in real time and the game will hardly need to be stopped
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February 14, 2024, 08:47:50 AM
#32
By saying "taking over", it means the AI should be 100% working properly and functioning smoothly. It might go there soon.

As of the moment, since there are still known reported bugs and errors, too early to conclude everything. But as we know our technology today, improvements should be expected as time passes by. Not saying AI will take over at all but I'm sure there are still things that AI might not be compatible and suited with.
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February 14, 2024, 08:43:54 AM
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AI can take over VAR soon, especially if AI can be developed better to provide more accurate results in the field. When AI can be more advanced and ready to be used in all fields, not just sports, there will be a major overhaul in all fields. AI will be used to provide even better results than previous technology because the development of each developer will make AI even better. In the future, we will probably use AI technology that is more advanced than today. Perhaps AI will be used to monitor the match's progress because it can provide more accurate results.
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February 14, 2024, 08:21:05 AM
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It is not a ruse that there have been calls for the errors of VAR to be looked at especially from the coaches. Morinho is one outspoken type and will not sleep over what he thinks is causing uproar in the enjoyment of football. Personally also I think var is doing more crack down than it is helping the game and yes there will be need for another technology to replace an existing one. I think VAR is the newest kind of technology introduced to football and there has to be modification to this technology or it will totally be replaced by AI
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February 14, 2024, 08:13:20 AM
#29
The application of VAR really helps create a fair match and really helps the referee to act fairly in the decisions that will be made.
On the other hand, the application of VAR can also be the cause of unsatisfactory match results because the system is considered to still have many shortcomings.

Before VAR became part of the match apparatus, many matches I watched on various video platforms showed how tight and interesting a match was played by many living and deceased legends.
Returning to VAR, for me the VAR system should be better and I don't want to say that the VAR system implemented in Europe is worse than CAF.
If indeed the application of VAR requires AI technology, there is nothing wrong with it and I support it if it can provide better results.
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February 14, 2024, 08:12:00 AM
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Errors could always happen because we are human beings and not made for perfection. But to the extent of saying MORE errors, that is a problem and we then think about AI as the solution for this. But I don't think it necessary nor we should do this but rather make these VAR to be trained more or get replaced by someone who is capable for this position. Because I don't believe we should take AI for this as I see it better to have judges that have feelings and emotions like us.

AI never suits all, so my stand about this situation is NO. I'd just think if AI will replace everything, then we are letting these robots overpowerd us.
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February 14, 2024, 07:57:42 AM
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One thing is certain in life, when situation go against us we always complain, but we we are the ones benefiting we won't complain. We have to remember that whatever that involves human there are going to be some errors these errors doesn't mean that the system is not working, it only mean that there are still room for improvement. Even if Ai takes over there are still people who will complain. If CAF utilized var correctly that means every other football bodies can do it too, it's just for them to continue improving their errors.

You're absolutely right, buddy nothing in this world can be done without complaining. Before, when VAR was used, nobody complained, but now that football has gained a lot of popularity, many teams are complaining. Why are some people unhappy with what they have those teams complaining about the var? If they were winning, they wouldn't be complaining, but now they are? No matter what happens, even if AI takes over, some people will still be complaining. Some will even claim that VAR is superior to AI, so as long as they are using the previous version of VAR, I believe they should keep doing so because nothing in this world is perfect.

I don't think it's a good idea for someone else to take over as VAR; if that were to happen, it would indicate that they don't trust Var, which would make Var feel let down. Since nobody is perfect and mistakes are inevitable, we should accept this and stop paying attention to what other people have to say, especially since many of the people who complain are teams that didn't play well.
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February 14, 2024, 07:29:58 AM
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VAR is getting a lot of flak for errors and bias and not surprising that its making people wonder if AI could do a better job on the field. Imagine algorithms quickly sorting out plays without the human mess-us but bringing in AI comes with its own challenges like taking the human touch out of decision-making. Mourinho's idea to pass VAR to CAF hints at different approaches among football bigwigs and the future of AI in VAR depends on tech improvements and whether the football world is ready to embrace the change
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February 14, 2024, 07:13:24 AM
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So what is your day on this matter. Will AI takeover VAR?
In this day and age, technological developments are increasingly sophisticated and nothing is impossible, but you still have to maintain VAR.
I mean, currently most coaches are really helped by the existence of VAR to decide what policies will be implemented in violations and for me it is not the AI that is at issue but whether the coach will be fair enough to make decisions.
I really understand the situation, maybe AI can control VAR, but if that happens there will definitely be other parties who will analyze or give certain punishments if VAR is controlled by AI and on the one hand, for me, VAR + AI will not be a serious problem in the future, so in any case VAR will still be maintained even though later AI will master it.
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February 14, 2024, 04:19:57 AM
#24
Let's give AI a try, and see what the outcome will be, before implementing it, but I still believe that AI will do better than human. This is because human can easily be manipulated when money is involved, and that will affect the ongoing match result.

VAR have tried their best but it is not good enough, and that is why people are complaining, but if VAR decides to do things right in future, then there will be no need for AI
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February 14, 2024, 04:02:48 AM
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What will AI do that the VAR did not do? The referee will go to watch the video based on what was reported to him by the VAR. The video is enough as an evidence to know if he has to act on what he did not notice or see clearly. I do not see any work AI should do there. If a video recording can not do it accurately, how will AI do it accurately?

Also it is good to know that if AI will be used, that will not necessary mean AI will perform the work of VAR, but VAR can make use of AI to make the work more accurate if possible.

Perhaps, AI will enter the pitch, take the whistle from the referee and take decision. Lol Grin

I also do not see how AI will in anyway change the narrative from what the VAR are doing currently. VAR is not independent when it comes to decision taking, they serve as an assistant to referee just as their name implies. We have seen cases where referee turned down the VAR calls and ignore them likewise where the referee failed to notice a foul and the VAR will call his attention. This same scenario will still happen even when AI is in charge. VAR or AI can not take decisions on their own but can only call the attention of the referee, he may comply or ignore.
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February 14, 2024, 02:52:29 AM
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It's possible because AI can analyze game situations more faster and has the potential to enhance accuracy and efficiency in reducing errors, but these would require some testing and refinements.
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February 14, 2024, 02:33:36 AM
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Yes, AI will take over the position of the VAR referees, but this will happen after several years. Maybe AI will completely take over the position of all referees and we wouldn't need human referees in any sport in the near future. Will this be good for all sports? I don't know.
Why did you post this thread in the Gambling Discussion forum? The introduction of AI referees doesn't have anything to do with gambling and sports betting. The mistakes that are made by human referees are a part of the human and we are used to them. What if AI also makes mistakes and wrong decisions?
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February 14, 2024, 02:25:39 AM
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There is always technology that is better than the previous technology and it will always develop well. Current technology will be replaced by better technology so AI will take over VAR in monitoring and providing accurate results from the field. It cannot be denied that the current technological developments are still felt lacking, so technicians will develop better technology to provide even better results. So it is natural that there will be better technology later this year or in the following years, and it will replace the previous technology, which was felt to be no longer possible to use in every match.
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February 13, 2024, 09:56:37 PM
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I don't really think using AI to replace VAR is a nice option. Human are bound to error and that is what makes us human. What if AI makes a very huge mistake on the pitch which its obvious to everyone that it has made a very big mistake compared to human, who will be held responsible for the mistake? Because I believe AI doesn't have the influence of human. Human has an influence than AI. AI might be over strict in action, compeard to human. Most minor error which referee usually bypass to make the match go smoothly, AI will detect all. Some human delay tactics which happens in dying minutes when players is at wining advantage, that dey usually fall and fake a role in the field over time to delay the match, AI will never give a yellow card to such person or can not be calculative to know what to do on like  human. So it will not be possible

So is AI, it can have errors too. But it's just too good to let it pass without testing it.
AI can do more accurately than what humans can do. Testing it at first I guess would be the right approach to AI implementation and then finding out where the AI could focus more. AI can make the game complicated if it focuses on smaller violations, let the referee handle them and AIs only verify the referee's call.

But certainly, even the referee's job can be taken from them eventually with the AIs. This discussion is just the start.
I think your hypothesis is true. Before Ai should be used for such things, it should be tested to know how effective it would be before usage. Because If it's not properly tested and confirmed before starting it operation I believe it will be over strict with minimal problems. Though robot might be more accurate than man because it has no sentiment and can not be manipulated, but the fact still remain that robot has no feelings or human attribute but based on programming. One other problem I see about is the aspect you made mention of taking away jobs from referees, that would be another problem because that is the more reason why most people are kicking against AI. If the implementation takes place, gradually humanity will not have a chance to earn a living because if we continue using Ai in whatsoever we do,am afraid even the footballers will be replaced by robot one day.
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February 13, 2024, 06:43:54 PM
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There is another story again. Joe Mourinho also advised the European Football Union to handover VAR to CAF because according to him CAF used VAR very correctly than the European league.

I noticed this too that the VAR decisions in the AFCON were very good, and I also was with the conclusion that in some of the games in some European competitions where the VAR is used, the officials who are in the VAR room are corrupt.

So what is your day on this matter. Will AI takeover VAR?
The real question is "will they allow AI take over?"

If AI take overs, results and decisions will be more consistent and lesser human errors that are sometimes blamed as the cause of bad decisions made during the games later analyzed to be wrong. So will the people in charge allow AI take over knowing that decisions will be harder to manipulate.
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February 13, 2024, 06:32:09 PM
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So what is your day on this matter. Will AI takeover VAR?
VAR is trained AI. It is not without fault as new data is always need to train the VAR to be able to make more accurate decisions. VAR picks up controversial moments that the human referee isn't able to notice and is depended upon to make a good and favourable decision. If the OP is arguing for AI to take over VAR, it is the same thing as saying that VAR should take over the position of VAR. As a way of repetition, VAR is just a smart artificial intelligent referee.
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February 13, 2024, 11:24:40 AM
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It is very possible, yes. If they actually intend for VAR to become a more unbiased and effective tool to be used in matches, then the implementation of Artificial inteligence on it will be just matter of time, at least as some kind of test first, to see how performs.
Some people may be skeptical about it at first, in the same way most of people on the internet were about AI being used to process copious amounts of information to generate writings and images, though it seems people are already getting used to it, the same will happen with players and clubs.
On the other hand, it would take more for bettors to get accustomed to the idea of an artificial intelligence to be the difference of winning or losing sn important bet which they have much of their stake on. I would be in favor of the implementation and if the technologies proves to be unbiased and reliable for matches, then allow it to become an standard for matches, otherwise let us continue to use VAR as we have been using it till now.
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February 13, 2024, 10:54:56 AM
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And I also made research on Google and I saw more errors from VAR so I was also thinking that will the Artificial intelligence AI will takeover the position of VAR to give accurate results from the pitch? And today I have seen this again.

Don't forget that artificial intelligence is also programmed by humans which also makes them prone to mistakes. We should also note that these AI tools can malfunction and can also be hacked. Artificial intelligence can be used to support the decisions of the VAR officials but replacing human beings might not be appropriate.   

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There is another story again. Joe Mourinho also advised the European Football Union to handover VAR to CAF because according to him CAF used VAR very correctly than the European league.
So what is your day on this matter. Will AI takeover VAR?

The just concluded CAF African Cup of Nations showed a great improvement in the standard of football and the officiating. The referees were fair showed empathy and had good communication with the players. There was no single match that had bad officiating. It is common to see referees favour the host of the competition in the past but this was not the case in this competition. Jose Mourinho should consider taking a coaching job in Africa, maybe he could help Africa lift the World Cup.   
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February 13, 2024, 10:38:24 AM
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So what is your day on this matter. Will AI takeover VAR?

No, I don't think AI can take over that because it's more risky and there might be a lot of mistakes. AI only works well if it does something general and repeatable. I don't think AI can take over high-fidelity work. So VAR is still relevant and very good for helping referees in analyzing matches. I think if there are a few mistakes it's still normal as long as no one misuses it and the mistake was made accidentally.
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February 13, 2024, 10:27:19 AM
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I don't really think using AI to replace VAR is a nice option. Human are bound to error and that is what makes us human. What if AI makes a very huge mistake on the pitch which its obvious to everyone that it has made a very big mistake compared to human, who will be held responsible for the mistake? Because I believe AI doesn't have the influence of human. Human has an influence than AI. AI might be over strict in action, compeard to human. Most minor error which referee usually bypass to make the match go smoothly, AI will detect all. Some human delay tactics which happens in dying minutes when players is at wining advantage, that dey usually fall and fake a role in the field over time to delay the match, AI will never give a yellow card to such person or can not be calculative to know what to do on like  human. So it will not be possible

So is AI, it can have errors too. But it's just too good to let it pass without testing it.
AI can do more accurately than what humans can do. Testing it at first I guess would be the right approach to AI implementation and then finding out where the AI could focus more. AI can make the game complicated if it focuses on smaller violations, let the referee handle them and AIs only verify the referee's call.

But certainly, even the referee's job can be taken from them eventually with the AIs. This discussion is just the start.
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February 13, 2024, 10:07:00 AM
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I don't really think using AI to replace VAR is a nice option. Human are bound to error and that is what makes us human. What if AI makes a very huge mistake on the pitch which its obvious to everyone that it has made a very big mistake compared to human, who will be held responsible for the mistake? Because I believe AI doesn't have the influence of human. Human has an influence than AI. AI might be over strict in action, compeard to human. Most minor error which referee usually bypass to make the match go smoothly, AI will detect all. Some human delay tactics which happens in dying minutes when players is at wining advantage, that dey usually fall and fake a role in the field over time to delay the match, AI will never give a yellow card to such person or can not be calculative to know what to do on like  human. So it will not be possible
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February 13, 2024, 09:44:37 AM
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Could be, who know right

Same as (VAR) many people are gonna like it and on the other side we will have people who don't like it. The main points, is to make the ref have a good decision as long is good for the match.

Why not right.
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Or possibly, they'll just implement AI to existing VARs to make more accurate decisions. I'd digress that they let the technology be defunct just because AI exists. Also, not every AI delivers 100% accuracy as there are still some that needs a huge training dataset in order to be 90% accurate with their given tasks. I don't understand the overreliance of people to AI thinking that it is a magical tool that will replace everything. Fact is, you still need people around AIs in order to make it work.
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February 13, 2024, 08:37:51 AM
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The video assistant referee assists the referee by providing video footage, right? For example, when striker kicks the ball and goalkeeper saves it but it almost crossed the line and we don't know whether GK saved the ball or it was a goal. I think that VAR is very necessary, especially in quarter-finals, semi-finals and finals, where one game decides the fate of the team.
I can't understand why AI can take over the position of VAR or I simply don't understand what's going on here (did this problem arise from Premier League fans?) because I believe referee (human) can judge better than AI after seeing the video from VAR.
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February 13, 2024, 08:03:09 AM
#8


No doubt, criticisms like these are some of the prerequisites ingredients that VAR needs to correct some of those abnormalities they have but there is absolutely no need to bring in AI into world football.

They should be treated as secondary opinions or tools to help correct the judgment of the referee so they can render a fair judgment, I'm not a football fan but I cannot just imagine all my favorite sports governed by artificial intelligence, as if we lose our trust to humans to give us a fair judgment, let's treat artificial intelligence as a tool to help us come out with a better understanding and judgment and not on our judgment, we should not end up like the ones we see in Arnold Schwarzenegger movies the Terminator.
Sure, AI is getting better but its usage should be limited to industries or platforms where humans need assistance we humans should still be in control of everything
, especially in sports and besides we love to bash the referees it is one of the enjoyable parts, and we will miss bashing the referees.  Cheesy
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February 13, 2024, 07:51:53 AM
#7
VAR or AI are two sophisticated tools that were developed by artificial technology that is quite intelligent and indeed over time they can all work and replace human work, but for sports actually AI is not tool that must be combined.
VAR has obviously been used for long time and has screen record of an ongoing match and can be more detailed in every corner, this makes it possible for the referee to see the replay whether an error or violation occurred or not.
VAR, which has clear benefits and uses and has been used even in major competitions such as the World Cup, has become something that has really been rejected by some fans and even football team administrators, so what about AI.
I sure that the emergence of AI in sports, especially football, will further worsen public sentiment and of course rejection will also occur, after all when AI is used it can't really help unless it has really been successfully developed better.
But in world football FIFA also has full rights over every artificially sophisticated tool that can be used and if FIFA does not make AI legal tool then it is clear that in football in every major competition AI will never be able to be used or even replace VAR.
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February 13, 2024, 07:12:46 AM
#6
I have been hearing stories on Video Assistant Referee which is popularly known as VAR errors and and people are complaining that VAR is not doing well again so they should remove it while some are saying it is meant to favor one team over the other. And I can also noticed that in the 2022 world cup. And I saw this

And I also made research on Google and I saw more errors from VAR so I was also thinking that will the Artificial intelligence AI will takeover the position of VAR to give accurate results from the pitch? And today I have seen this again.

There is another story again. Joe Mourinho also advised the European Football Union to handover VAR to CAF because according to him CAF used VAR very correctly than the European league.


So what is your day on this matter. Will AI takeover VAR?
One thing you must understand is the fact that video assistant referee(VAR) is to help and assist the referee on the beach against some actions he might not see clearly, these method was adopted to help reduce injustices and fouls that may happen on the peace without the referee taking cognizance, however VAR is not 100% perfect in its accuracy but I bet you VAR is at least 85% accurate in it's judgement.
As a football lover over the years I can confidently tell you that VAR has reduced the rate of off side goals, tackle's that the referee didn't see properly or properly gave an earlier wrong judgement on, and a whole lot more things VAR has helped World football. VAR may not be perfect but with time it will move towards perfection.
No doubt, criticisms like these are some of the prerequisites ingredients that VAR needs to correct some of those abnormalities they have but there is absolutely no need to bring in AI into world football.
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What will AI do that the VAR did not do? The referee will go to watch the video based on what was reported to him by the VAR. The video is enough as an evidence to know if he has to act on what he did not notice or see clearly. I do not see any work AI should do there. If a video recording can not do it accurately, how will AI do it accurately?

Also it is good to know that if AI will be used, that will not necessary mean AI will perform the work of VAR, but VAR can make use of AI to make the work more accurate if possible.
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February 13, 2024, 07:02:12 AM
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I have been hearing stories on Video Assistant Referee which is popularly known as VAR errors and and people are complaining that VAR is not doing well again so they should remove it while some are saying it is meant to favor one team over the other. And I can also noticed that in the 2022 world cup. And I saw this
 
And I also made research on Google and I saw more errors from VAR so I was also thinking that will the Artificial intelligence AI will takeover the position of VAR to give accurate results from the pitch? And today I have seen this again.

There is another story again. Joe Mourinho also advised the European Football Union to handover VAR to CAF because according to him CAF used VAR very correctly than the European league.

So what is your day on this matter. Will AI takeover VAR?

In general, this is bad for the sport AI should not replace our referees but what should be implemented is an appeal committee where a team can appeal and the committee can appeal and decide right there, AI can be manipulated because machines can be programmed, compared to referees which rule based on logic and the rule they are implementing, AI can be used on may industry but not on sports, it should remain on sports or it will lose people's interest, we already have compubox in boxing but the decision is on the judges' perception and judgment.
If we allow AI to referee a sport we'll have more niches and interests replacing humans.
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February 13, 2024, 07:01:11 AM
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One thing is certain in life, when situation go against us we always complain, but we we are the ones benefiting we won't complain. We have to remember that whatever that involves human there are going to be some errors these errors doesn't mean that the system is not working, it only mean that there are still room for improvement. Even if Ai takes over there are still people who will complain. If CAF utilized var correctly that means every other football bodies can do it too, it's just for them to continue improving their errors.
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February 13, 2024, 06:51:54 AM
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So what is your day on this matter. Will AI takeover VAR?
If things continue going this way when VAR is not acting their duties well it might happen to be that AI might take over as the world is getting more advanced not like before when this were going wrong and people aren't paying much attentions to it.
However, it can be possible as the football committees have planned to bring another card in to the game which is the blue card.
https://www.eurosport.com/football/blue-cards-and-sin-bins-set-to-be-introduced-into-professional-football-reports_sto10013125/story.shtml
As the world is getting more advanced, things are changing, now we are hearing of the blue card and soon AI might be the next.
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February 13, 2024, 06:43:00 AM
#1
I have been hearing stories on Video Assistant Referee which is popularly known as VAR errors and and people are complaining that VAR is not doing well again so they should remove it while some are saying it is meant to favor one team over the other. And I can also noticed that in the 2022 world cup. And I saw this

And I also made research on Google and I saw more errors from VAR so I was also thinking that will the Artificial intelligence AI will takeover the position of VAR to give accurate results from the pitch? And today I have seen this again.

There is another story again. Joe Mourinho also advised the European Football Union to handover VAR to CAF because according to him CAF used VAR very correctly than the European league.


So what is your day on this matter. Will AI takeover VAR?
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