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Topic: Will alts really die once BTC starts climbing unbelievable highs? (Read 912 times)

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Many altcoins die without raising the price of bitcoin. And if bitcoin grows very much altcoins will cost a penny. Only 1% of all altcoins will survive.
Altcoins that will cost a penny are altcoins that does not have real working product because any altcoin that has real working product are meant to grow along with bitcoin has it is growing. Take a look at the top coin in the market, you can see that as bitcoin increases, they also increase in price also, and has bitcoin decreases, they also follow same part even if they have their own separate technology, but till now, we still cannot explain why they always respond to the price of bitcoin, but because of their real use case is what I believe.

These altcoins within the top 100 are the ones that I truly believe that will grow when the price of bitcoin grows while others are the ones that will cost penny, I means those that are at the least bottom.
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I don't think so, these are just speculations and not always a "True guess". The market needs are the factor here and not the words of these guys.. Even if they are early birds and adoptors, it doesn't mean that they are saying the truth or that their predictions will come true.
I do think that there's good alts just like: Litecoin, Dash, Monero, ZCash, Zclassic, Phore, Onion, Augur, NEO, Cosmos, Qtum, OmiseGo, Lisk and others. These are somehow projects with real goals that will bring adoption, trust, investors and they are old enough to be having a share. Some Shitty altcoins will die for sure but the other solid ones will survive. Ethereum will never survive if they didn't fix their errors and bugs and provide users with a Static and a fully working official wallet .. without fixing their blockchain, they will die for sure. That's what i'm guessing Wink DYOR, it's not a financial advice.
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Many altcoins die without raising the price of bitcoin. And if bitcoin grows very much altcoins will cost a penny. Only 1% of all altcoins will survive.

not only 1% mate,, because a lot of altcoin in the market is good enough and has strong community too
maybe about 10% of altcoins will survive, and another will die when bitcoin price surge
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The dominance of bitcoin really continues to grow and has already exceeded 65% of the crypto market. If the capilal continues from altcoins to bitcoin, then soon a lot of weaker altcoins will simply die. But I think that this is a positive trend for the entire crypto market as a whole, because the crypto market will clear up weak projects and strengthen bitcoin.

tahts absolutely true, only a good and reliable altcoin will survive when bitcoin price growing hardly my friend
just wait a little bit more, because altcoin season still on preparations mode  Wink
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i don't understand why some people are either totally black or totally white when it comes to this market! things are never die or be king. in other words altcoins don't have to die as they also don't have to replace bitcoin to survive!

majority of altcoins are there to be pumped and dumped. nobody cares if bitcoin is worth $1 or $10 million when it comes to pumping altcoins, you can still make the same amount of profit on 1BTC regardless of its price. so they will remain alive even more when bitcoin price rises because people want profit on their precious bitcoins.
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In a last bitcoin pump it was like that. But I don't get the reason why it happens. Bitcoin is so slow, expensive in terms of fee. For me ethereum is much better and xrp is cheaper. Why people still buy bitcoin and don't invest in altcoins?

If you can't figure out why it's valued above all others then you should retreat to the mountains and meditate until you do.

Security, network effect, first mover advantage, the nature of its creation and awareness outweigh 'fast' and ' cheap' by a factor of a few billion.

Bitcoins is so slow = it works for me. I send most people money and they are okay with 0 confirmation they all know I would never cheat them. If you are worried then learn how to make and open Lightning channels for everyone.

Ethereum faster XRP cheaper, guys who say this,,, never even really use them. show us where you use them.
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The dominance of bitcoin really continues to grow and has already exceeded 65% of the crypto market. If the capilal continues from altcoins to bitcoin, then soon a lot of weaker altcoins will simply die. But I think that this is a positive trend for the entire crypto market as a whole, because the crypto market will clear up weak projects and strengthen bitcoin.
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In a last bitcoin pump it was like that. But I don't get the reason why it happens. Bitcoin is so slow, expensive in terms of fee. For me ethereum is much better and xrp is cheaper. Why people still buy bitcoin and don't invest in altcoins?

If you can't figure out why it's valued above all others then you should retreat to the mountains and meditate until you do.

Security, network effect, first mover advantage, the nature of its creation and awareness outweigh 'fast' and ' cheap' by a factor of a few billion.
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In a last bitcoin pump it was like that. But I don't get the reason why it happens. Bitcoin is so slow, expensive in terms of fee. For me ethereum is much better and xrp is cheaper. Why people still buy bitcoin and don't invest in altcoins?
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Altcoins will always exist with BTC, it will not die when the BTC pump. I think BTC will pump Altcoin, it will probably dump but eventually it will increase with btc
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His arguments are from the fact that during bitcoin bull, members of cryptocurrency market tend to sell off altcoins to invest in bitcoin and thereby totally draining alts. This is only possible if the Bitcoin bull is straight line graph without the parabolas and hyperbolas induced by the hyper volatile cryptocurrency market
legendary
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Alts won't die, no. I'm sure that the good alts (those that have a genuine use case) will prosper. We are just seeing a BTC surge at the moment. Remember how long the bear market was, over a year. Now that confidence is returning to crypto it is entirely natural that it starts with BTC. As the recovery continues, people will become more confident in general and will move into alts. Remember that BTC doesn't suffer as much as alts during bear markets, it is a compartive safe haven. So when people are wanting to start to return to crypto, but are still a little uncretain, it is natural that they will go with the biggest, safest coin first. Alt-domination comes later, once full confidence has returned. If you hold alts (good alts) then now is not a time to panic, instead it is a time for accumulation and dollar-cost averaging.
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I think the old and trusted coins will not die even if bitcoin will reach 500,000$ or more, they will still be used and will still have some value, i reffer to coins like Ethereum, Litecoin and others who already have an history on market.
I agree 100%. The only altcoins that have the chance to survive for a long period of time are the ones which are popular, have a strong real life use-case and are not P&D coins basically. Also, I don't really care what Max Keiser views regarding the cryptocurrency market overall.
I'm glad to see you think like that. And I'm not sure for news like this, if altcoins will disappear. It's not easy like that to get rid of altcoins just for bitcoin. Maybe it can protest the developers of altcoins if that happens. , will it just disappear
legendary
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Altcoins are dying as people are helping to pump Bitcoin. Money is travelling from altcoins to Bitcoin. It is like a pump and dump scheme for Bitcoin to try to revive the cryptomarket.
It means that not a lot of money is really coming into the market, but the money come from the altcoins market?
But that will be back to the altcoin again once bitcoin has finished its pump and this is always happening in the crypto when the volume gets centralized to pump bitcoin or altcoin. Speculators will always jump from one to another. Remember that.
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I don't think that alts will die. the situstion has to be same as with btc, growth is expected
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Altcoins are dying as people are helping to pump Bitcoin. Money is travelling from altcoins to Bitcoin. It is like a pump and dump scheme for Bitcoin to try to revive the cryptomarket.
It means that not a lot of money is really coming into the market, but the money come from the altcoins market?
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Alts are already dead prior to the climb, so I think they will die again, instead they will grow.
Of the thousands of altcoins in the market, only less 10 coins have performed thus far based on what I see, so in general altcoins are not performing yet.

I'm really hoping the drought will end soon and this market will be as lively as before again as the altcoins started to perform together with BTC.
BTC is mooning again now, so hopefully when it moon, it won't correct long, instead bounce back and raise the price to its high again.
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Most of the altcoins will die in my opinion, but this isn't a bad thing at all... just check the bunch of alt coins with no use case or which are already dead and still listed on exchanges / cmc and so on... the coins with real use cases will survive...

Everything dies, and not only altcoins but Bitcoin will vanish one day. However, BTC climbing up is not a risk to existing alts. People, who invest money in trusted tokens, will always get high returns. Simply do not play with shitcoins.
It is possible to altcoin even bitcoin die, don't what to be reason maybe something that make it will be zero value. Very little chance, maybe. But not want to resist that it can possibly happen. But when bitcoin high, it wouldn't really make alts die because it is all depends on their developer how they manage their coin.
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Seems like bitcoin is still unstoppable especially today that it reached another pump well alts might follow once btc is stable for weeks then we can experience alt season but we have to ensure that btc will not slide. Lets keep hoping for better alt season
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If bitcoin starts climbing unbelievable highs and the alts just stand still in the position, i think alts will be unworthy. The gap between both btc and alts will be so high and it will makes alts doesn’t has value.
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Most of the altcoins will die in my opinion, but this isn't a bad thing at all... just check the bunch of alt coins with no use case or which are already dead and still listed on exchanges / cmc and so on... the coins with real use cases will survive...
Those coins that has no use case will definitely be dead. Who the heck will invest in them anyway? people are seriously getting attached to the market now and starts to become curious on what coins to invest and that's why there will be bunch of them that will start to lose popularity. There will be few good that shall remain. But we'll see it that as long as that altcoin is totally useless and no use, expect that they will be soon be dead.
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Most of the altcoins will die in my opinion, but this isn't a bad thing at all... just check the bunch of alt coins with no use case or which are already dead and still listed on exchanges / cmc and so on... the coins with real use cases will survive...

Everything dies, and not only altcoins but Bitcoin will vanish one day. However, BTC climbing up is not a risk to existing alts. People, who invest money in trusted tokens, will always get high returns. Simply do not play with shitcoins.
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Most of the altcoins will die in my opinion, but this isn't a bad thing at all... just check the bunch of alt coins with no use case or which are already dead and still listed on exchanges / cmc and so on... the coins with real use cases will survive...
The coins are considered as shitcoins will die but the platform that already delivered a good product will still alive. Anything will have determined by the platform itself whether they can survive or not. But bitcoin bulltrend will give long term impact
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Most of the altcoins will die in my opinion, but this isn't a bad thing at all... just check the bunch of alt coins with no use case or which are already dead and still listed on exchanges / cmc and so on... the coins with real use cases will survive...
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BTC doesn't offer smart contracts for example - so for a strong BTC to mean the end of ETH, ADA, EOS and so on, it would also mean a strong BTC means the end of smart contracts - and that just won't happen. There are plenty of coins out there that have real use-cases where BTC is not and will never be the answer.

No one gives a fuck about functionality. All they want is more dollars.

I do give a fuck about functionality, everything is not about the money.
I don’t agree with you mate, everything we do in cryptocurrency should not all be about making money, we have to also think of the ease and convenience of doing businesses with cryptocurrency, you see, it is because people are beginning to go outside what cryptocurrency is meant for that they see it as just an industry to come, put money and multiply it for few dollars.

The time is coming that all of them will cry for these services, and I know that crypto will not always be mainly source of investment, there is more to crypto, but because we are still in its early stage of adoption, and because there are no form of regulation, that is why they feel it is just going to be useful for making few dollars alone. This is why government is nit paying to much attention to it too because we make it feel like It is a Ponzi scheme.
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I cannot disagree more with the original comment. A strong BTC definitely doesn't mean the end for all alts. This would only be the case if all functionality offered by all alts was available via BTC in a superior way - and that is not the case at all.
BTC doesn't offer smart contracts for example - so for a strong BTC to mean the end of ETH, ADA, EOS and so on, it would also mean a strong BTC means the end of smart contracts - and that just won't happen. There are plenty of coins out there that have real use-cases where BTC is not and will never be the answer.
Yes, BTC market dominance is increasing - as it often does during a bear run as BTC is more resilient. Similarly at the start of a bull-run BTC gets stronger as more money comes into crypto via the BTC gateway. But as a bull-run goes on, BTC tails off and alts grow stronger again.


Well, we can have this features as sidechain and we need something that works that is not bad for decentralization . 
It seems Bitcoin developers are not under pressure... They are probably taking their time and solving the problems gradually.
They may have lots of solutions to the Bitcoin problems but the likelihood of centralization have made them to be cautious
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The good altcoin and strong altcoin will not die if bitcoin increase is so high, but they could follow to increase and adjust their price to the new price. We will see the selection of the altcoin soon, and the weak altcoin will be left by the community and also the team. The strong coin will survive in any situations, and even it could rise again after the cryptocurrency market stable for a while.
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This type of questions also thought by me about two days ago. Anyway, I think when bitcoin will go more higher  then most of the Altcoin will go away and only high ranked And new Altcoin (that time) will alive with the market. Here I thinking bitcoin price about more than 100k$.
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https://ethereumworldnews.com/crypto-vcs-bitcoin-nears-100000-2021-altcoins-die-off/amp/

Watched this.
Heisenberg Capital, led by Max Keiser and Stacy Herbert, two of the most early cryptocurrency adopters, gave a statement that BTC will probably outperform in the near term and will end the whole game for alts as the whole capital is currently being fetched out of alts and being put in BTC only to make it realize its true value. They believe that 2018 was all a comeback for Bitcoin to claw back the market share out of altcoins.

I've been watching and I'm seeing each and every of their word to be getting proven true as all the alts are just declining and people are trying to steal the only giant cryptocurrency - Bitcoins by only playing the leveraged trading games going on over Futures platforms and exchanges like Bitmex. The volume for each alt is declining to their all time lows while BTC has started showing greater possibilities of breaking its all time record highs once again.

Please share your thoughts on this and tell me what do you think.

Alts will grow with bitcoin all together.. nobody will die
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actually altcoin isn't dead, it's just that it's not time for altcoins to go up. I hope so, so we just wait for the time and not because they die
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I don't completely agree with that message. I think it would be completely opposite and alts would rise once bitcoin has reached certain threshold. People like to diversify their portfolio and it would be very difficult to put all that in just one bitcoin. There is less reward for those investing.
some altcoins are seen as having high potential. help them not sell it for bitcoin. especially at very cheap prices. it will not provide the same benefits even though we store bitcoin. waiting for the altcoin to grow and having a reasonable price is the best choice.
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https://ethereumworldnews.com/crypto-vcs-bitcoin-nears-100000-2021-altcoins-die-off/amp/

Watched this.
Heisenberg Capital, led by Max Keiser and Stacy Herbert, two of the most early cryptocurrency adopters, gave a statement that BTC will probably outperform in the near term and will end the whole game for alts as the whole capital is currently being fetched out of alts and being put in BTC only to make it realize its true value. They believe that 2018 was all a comeback for Bitcoin to claw back the market share out of altcoins.

I've been watching and I'm seeing each and every of their word to be getting proven true as all the alts are just declining and people are trying to steal the only giant cryptocurrency - Bitcoins by only playing the leveraged trading games going on over Futures platforms and exchanges like Bitmex. The volume for each alt is declining to their all time lows while BTC has started showing greater possibilities of breaking its all time record highs once again.

Please share your thoughts on this and tell me what do you think.

I don't completely agree with that message. I think it would be completely opposite and alts would rise once bitcoin has reached certain threshold. People like to diversify their portfolio and it would be very difficult to put all that in just one bitcoin. There is less reward for those investing.
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I did not see any of the altcoin dying because Bitcoin keep move up in an unbelievable rate. What is happening now is, few of them are following bitcoin in this bullish trend we are seeing now but that do not mean coins like dash and zcash that do have positive relationship with bitcoin in it directions are not going to get bullish again or dying. Some of the owners of these coins really needs to develop their projects and marketing in away that there will not depend on bitcoin for growth. However, many of the coins that are not ready for this should be ready to be out of the market in no time!
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BTC doesn't offer smart contracts for example - so for a strong BTC to mean the end of ETH, ADA, EOS and so on, it would also mean a strong BTC means the end of smart contracts - and that just won't happen. There are plenty of coins out there that have real use-cases where BTC is not and will never be the answer.

No one gives a fuck about functionality. All they want is more dollars.

I do give a fuck about functionality, everything is not about the money.
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BTC doesn't offer smart contracts for example - so for a strong BTC to mean the end of ETH, ADA, EOS and so on, it would also mean a strong BTC means the end of smart contracts - and that just won't happen. There are plenty of coins out there that have real use-cases where BTC is not and will never be the answer.

No one gives a fuck about functionality. All they want is more dollars.
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I cannot disagree more with the original comment. A strong BTC definitely doesn't mean the end for all alts. This would only be the case if all functionality offered by all alts was available via BTC in a superior way - and that is not the case at all.
BTC doesn't offer smart contracts for example - so for a strong BTC to mean the end of ETH, ADA, EOS and so on, it would also mean a strong BTC means the end of smart contracts - and that just won't happen. There are plenty of coins out there that have real use-cases where BTC is not and will never be the answer.
Yes, BTC market dominance is increasing - as it often does during a bear run as BTC is more resilient. Similarly at the start of a bull-run BTC gets stronger as more money comes into crypto via the BTC gateway. But as a bull-run goes on, BTC tails off and alts grow stronger again.
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No mate, it's not the same case this time as I believe that whatever we expect from crypto markets, it does always opposite of the same and when big players already know that there's not much steam left in the altcoins' trading game and all the money is being shifted to margin trading for much better returns, this time it'll prove to be a lot more different than before.

Emotion and perception go in cycles hand in hand with price.

We all know almost all alts are junk and will never achieve shit. They've done nothing other than sit there and look worthless in the year and half since they were supposed to put your prostate on the blockchain. People are bored and disenchanted with them and rightly so.

As soon as there's a whiff of bubbledom they're going to come roaring back. I don't think there'll be anything as pathetic and enticing as ICOs ever again, but unit bias and the perception of 'getting in early' are universal human traits which will never go away.

legendary
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No.
Hope, or rather greed and delusion, springs eternal. The higher and more dominant BTC gets, the more shit there'll be scrabbling in the mud claiming its turn is next. In terms of shitcoins we ain't seen nothing yet.
There's a near infinite supply of the stupid and greedy. Shitcoinland may go deeper into obscurity. It's never going away.

The latest bull run proved that the situation can be quite different. When Bitcoin starts growing really high, altcoins go after it. Some of the tokens gain (in percents) even more than BTC.

No mate, it's not the same case this time as I believe that whatever we expect from crypto markets, it does always opposite of the same and when big players already know that there's not much steam left in the altcoins' trading game and all the money is being shifted to margin trading for much better returns, this time it'll prove to be a lot more different than before. I don't say that alts may die completely, but the way many of then were overvalued, it's time for them to see the real action by the whales who will put innocent people into traps again (the way they had been doing so far) and then throw those alts into graveyard by making their values go least in USD and BTC alone will rule.
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No.
Hope, or rather greed and delusion, springs eternal. The higher and more dominant BTC gets, the more shit there'll be scrabbling in the mud claiming its turn is next. In terms of shitcoins we ain't seen nothing yet.
There's a near infinite supply of the stupid and greedy. Shitcoinland may go deeper into obscurity. It's never going away.

The latest bull run proved that the situation can be quite different. When Bitcoin starts growing really high, altcoins go after it. Some of the tokens gain (in percents) even more than BTC.
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Alts are part of a big ecosystem.
At the moment btc rises and alts bleed because no new money are flowing in.
Alts always will survive even in 10 years.
At some point people will hold btc and speculate with alts!
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There are some alts in the market that once the bitcoin starts to have a nice pump the value also of some alts get pump, not all coins are bitcoin dependent because they had their own data that can make the price move in different directions.
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I think the old and trusted coins will not die even if bitcoin will reach 500,000$ or more, they will still be used and will still have some value, i reffer to coins like Ethereum, Litecoin and others who already have an history on market.

I think the same thing. Altcoins are an integral part of Bitcoins eco-system and will remain so forever. Surely many shitcoins will die, but good and well known coins like Litecoin and others, will certainly not die because of a high Bitcoin price. Max Keiser has already met many statements that have not come true. Therefore I would not believe everything he claims.  Wink
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There is no way altcoins are gonna die even if Bitcoin is worth $100k. Altcoins present a certain kinda balance to the crypto market. Each altcoin has specific roles  they play in the crypto ecosystem. Altcoins also introduce  different  features to the blockchain technology. Ethereum for instead introduced the smart contract protocol onto the blockchain platform which totally eliminated the third party system used in the transaction of goods and services.
Agree that altcoin will not die even if the value of bitcoin reaches a very high price because as you say, the features of each altcoin always contribute to building services and systems in the field of crypto, and with projects that always use these features, eliminating or making altcoin completely dead is difficult. However, not dead but that is not a good thing with altcoin when bitcoin's value climbed to an unbelievably high level, market capitalization will almost focus on bitcoin, altcoin will become very cheap and people will no longer be interested in investing, the holders will suffer great losses
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Not all alts Ethereum , EOS , NEO ,NEM  even there is lots of platform giving real solution but >bitcoin price hike always effect other altcoins atleast for short run . So bitcoin climb healthy for other altcoins growth.
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Please share your thoughts on this and tell me what do you think.

Let's put it this way:

December 2017

1 BTC = $19900

December 2017

1 ETH = $1380
1 ETH = 0.096 btc

1 XRP = $2.80
1 XRP = 0.00020 btc

1 BCH = $4000
1 BCH = 0.24 btc

other altcoins also had very high prices, the question here is:

- which crypto has a better chance of overcoming the prices of December 2017 in two years?

probably, people have already done these analyzes

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There is no way altcoins are gonna die even if Bitcoin is worth $100k. Altcoins present a certain kinda balance to the crypto market. Each altcoin has specific roles  they play in the crypto ecosystem. Altcoins also introduce  different  features to the blockchain technology. Ethereum for instead introduced the smart contract protocol onto the blockchain platform which totally eliminated the third party system used in the transaction of goods and services.
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No, but they will die because of their uselessness. I think we have come to a point where the altcoins and other projects has only few years to prove that their product is worth to be used and recognized. They better show us great progress and developments because that is the only key for them to see theirselves competing with the other top coins.
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it feels possible that alot of them will die out , feels like its way to many that are used for nothing , not realy understanding the use case for 99% of them, feels they are just get rich schemes with no real substance.
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My opinion is based on the market speculator's point of view, and that is that when uploading the bitcoin, the altcoins obviously go down, by normal action that the investors sell fast to buy bitcoin, but when the correction comes they will invest quickly in the altcoins, because its price will be much lower than it was before.

Now the intelligent speculator will make these movements if and only if it is assured that the bitcoin is starting its Bullish trend phase, because when bitcoin is gradually rising, the market of the Altcoins will begin to follow that bullish path, until they are able to stabilize, This occurs because investors never buy at maximum, they always take much of their money in altcoins because they know very well that altcoins have recoveries up to x10. If it is in this way, but if it is otherwise, it would put capital at risk.
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The pattern has been for BTC dominance to plunge during bull market rallies. Meaning that when it approaches a new ATH we can expect that alts will be growing faster in general. The notion that bitcoin will be the only surviving crypto is just harebrained and keeps getting wronger and wronger as time goes on. There will be myriad financial niches filled by myriad cryptos in the future.
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Once bitcoin gets to the reaches of $100,000 per coin as some here are speculating it could reach within a few years then you will start seeing altcoins dropping off like flies.
The king will take the reigns and at this point in time will probably be the main transmittance of value in several parts of the world such as venezuela.
Its time will come.


Well,  a rise for BTC will be a rise for alts especially ETH.  We all know how they crashed together. They must't always but this time prospects are that bull will be across board. I don't see BTC touching 100k as some claim.  Until then but for now we keep investing
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Bitcoin isn't an end all be all.

Different use cases, different blockchain networks.

Privacy, smart contracts, cloud storage, micro transactions, settlement layer... to name a few.
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Heisenberg Capital, led by Max Keiser and Stacy Herbert, two of the most early cryptocurrency adopters, gave a statement that BTC will probably outperform in the near term and will end the whole game for alts as the whole capital is currently being fetched out of alts and being put in BTC only to make it realize its true value. They believe that 2018 was all a comeback for Bitcoin to claw back the market share out of altcoins.

I've been watching and I'm seeing each and every of their word to be getting proven true as all the alts are just declining and people are trying to steal the only giant cryptocurrency - Bitcoins by only playing the leveraged trading games going on over Futures platforms and exchanges like Bitmex. The volume for each alt is declining to their all time lows while BTC has started showing greater possibilities of breaking its all time record highs once again. Please share your thoughts on this and tell me what do you think.

Based on what I know on the history of Bitcoin, when it can be gaining grounds many of the altcoins will be carried with it along the way. The excitement in Bitcoin can overspill into many altcoins but of course it does not mean that all altcoins can get benefited as there can be some that will be left behind. In the year 2017 when Bitcoin almost reached the $20K level, many altcoins also did their own bull run. Bitcoin then is the barometer of the whole cryptocurrency industry...when people are rushing into its bandwagon we can expect some eyeballs also into many good altcoins. When Bitcoin is up the whole industry can be up and when Bitcoin is down the same thing can happen with the rest of his minions though they are all competitors in many ways.
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Heisenberg Capital, led by Max Keiser and Stacy Herbert, two of the most early cryptocurrency adopters, gave a statement that BTC will probably outperform in the near term and will end the whole game for alts as the whole capital is currently being fetched out of alts and being put in BTC only to make it realize its true value. They believe that 2018 was all a comeback for Bitcoin to claw back the market share out of altcoins.

I've been watching and I'm seeing each and every of their word to be getting proven true as all the alts are just declining and people are trying to steal the only giant cryptocurrency - Bitcoins by only playing the leveraged trading games going on over Futures platforms and exchanges like Bitmex. The volume for each alt is declining to their all time lows while BTC has started showing greater possibilities of breaking its all time record highs once again.

Please share your thoughts on this and tell me what do you think.

I truly agree with this statement because I strongly belive that the community doesn't need so many altcoins. There should be only 3 - 4 cryptocurrencies available in the market and rest all should be scrapped! Because all of these altcoins are wastage of time and energy and also a threat to the crypto market. The investments are getting divided for no reason and making the bitcoin market weaker than its true potential!

We currently have more than 2000 cryptos as per coinmarketcap and 99% of them don't have any utility. For the greater good, these altcoins need to bleed dry!
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I do believe alts will really die once BTC starts climbing unbelievable higher prices.
Since i am a trader i can tell you if it reaches > 1000% price from alts i will just quit on them. It will not worth my time trading on such alts since the small tradings around Bitcoin will be higher as in terms of profit.
You say alts will die because they don't give out much profit than Bitcoin but altcoins can survive without having to do so. We slowly see the price of alts go down recently but it's far from dying.

I don't think alts will die if BTC climbs to unbelievable highs. Yes, it can bleed on btc pair but if the project is offering something real, it would have value.

For instance, a token worth 0.01 btc right now would worth around 0.00001 btc if btc make a 1000x. Yes, you lost a huge amount compared to btc holding that altcoin but on the other hand, token worth 58$ at the start and at the end it was still 58$.
Your example only applies to stablecoins. It's unlikely for altcoins to maintain the same value from start to end and a lot of altcoins could gain more if BTC starts on a run.
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No.

Hope, or rather greed and delusion, springs eternal. The higher and more dominant BTC gets, the more shit there'll be scrabbling in the mud claiming its turn is next. In terms of shitcoins we ain't seen nothing yet.

There's a near infinite supply of the stupid and greedy. Shitcoinland may go deeper into obscurity. It's never going away.

Agreed +1

Who doesn't like a good shit-coin once in a while  Tongue
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I do believe alts will really die once BTC starts climbing unbelievable higher prices.
Since i am a trader i can tell you if it reaches > 1000% price from alts i will just quit on them. It will not worth my time trading on such alts since the small tradings around Bitcoin will be higher as in terms of profit.
You will be able to confirm this if you are a current trader.
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No.

Hope, or rather greed and delusion, springs eternal. The higher and more dominant BTC gets, the more shit there'll be scrabbling in the mud claiming its turn is next. In terms of shitcoins we ain't seen nothing yet.

There's a near infinite supply of the stupid and greedy. Shitcoinland may go deeper into obscurity. It's never going away.
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Most altcoins are useless at the moment and many investors have realized the mistake of ever investing into some of these altcoins. Apprently, not all coins shall die if bitcoin rises and some altcoins would surely rise in the bull market of bitcoin.
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I guess they just watched Avengers income recently should be chest trying to think themselves as Doctor Strange. They are just trying to watch all the alternative realities and possibilities of Bitcoin rising to $10,000 and maybe even more. Do you guys still care about the price unbelieve that Bitcoin is going to destroy all the old coins in the market? Like for real can you see only a single brand in the market when you drink a soda or beer there are definitely competitors are there and so does cryptocurrency also going to have. No matter what happens or what takes place old coins are not going to be extinct from the market.
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For a while they will lose their value and 'die' though I don't think they will die for good. Once bitcoin started climbing down, the capital of people will go somewhere else, and people will get back to trading alts, pumping and dumping them for a while then go back to bitcoin once it shows signs of bullish touch all over again. What happens when bitcoin starts climbing is that people trading on alts are just moving their funds on what is more profitable, and at that scenario, bitcoin is the best bet that's why the altcoin market is looking gloomy while bitcoin shines. If both fails, other assets will receive that capital and the cycle continues.
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With things happening around the market lately I will agree with you that altcoins will die once bitcoin starts mooning but in cryptocurrency there's nothing like 100% predictions. The names highlight above made their predictions based on some circumstances that they have seen but still it's too early to conclude with such predictions.
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Candidly speaking, not all altcoins will die simply becasue of Bitcoin unbelievable highs, what we can see at this junction is, to see some altcoins gaining more profits than usual why definitely some others altcoins will die slowly. Currently i had some altcoins in myether wallets, and have gained some addiction since the rise of Bitcoin.
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I don't think alts will die if BTC climbs to unbelievable highs. Yes, it can bleed on btc pair but if the project is offering something real, it would have value.

For instance, a token worth 0.01 btc right now would worth around 0.00001 btc if btc make a 1000x. Yes, you lost a huge amount compared to btc holding that altcoin but on the other hand, token worth 58$ at the start and at the end it was still 58$.
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Not sure alts will die or not but seems we are on deep bear market when I look on my alt coin portfolio. Most of alts dumping very hard and not recovering as well. Who know, perhaps alts will start recover once bitcoin stay stable. I think most of peoples or traders are busy with bitcoin trading, and thats the reason why alts are bleeding. But really it doesn't mean alts would die totally. If alts die then how traders will get profit from markets. Just trading with fiat and btc isn't enough to continue crypto revolution. 
I think it's possible since the Bitcoin aims to be a peer-to-peer electronic cash system, and from that we can conclude that Bitcoin are here not for trading. So, if we talk about industry then it's very possible for altcoins to be no more interesting for most people and then they will die. How about Bitcoin? Can it also die? Absolutely yes, but so far Bitcoin is the most perfect cryptocurrency and there is no reason for Bitcoin to die before altcoins.
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Not sure alts will die or not but seems we are on deep bear market when I look on my alt coin portfolio. Most of alts dumping very hard and not recovering as well. Who know, perhaps alts will start recover once bitcoin stay stable. I think most of peoples or traders are busy with bitcoin trading, and thats the reason why alts are bleeding. But really it doesn't mean alts would die totally. If alts die then how traders will get profit from markets. Just trading with fiat and btc isn't enough to continue crypto revolution. 
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I don't know what will happen if bitcoin is able to reach the highest level in its history, but what I'm thinking here is that not all altcoins will die and maybe only a few of them can't afford to survive in times of difficult times and loss of trust from investors. For sure, I think when bitcoin will continue to increase then other large coin coins such as ethereum, and ripple will still follow it.
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1. First of all during the obvious bull run all markets were green. Shitcoins sometimes were doing x10 while BTC gained only 10%

Really? Any proof? Where the shit did you find that?
It's true that alts gained a lot during the bull run, but BTC also did a 3x compared to whatever the 10% you're talking about.

Have you never compared Bitcoin volatility to altcoin volatility? They are by no means equal. During the bubbles, altcoins rise much harder than Bitcoin. During the bear markets they fall much harder.

Compare the gains made by Ethereum during calendar year 2017. Ethereum rose about 16,000% over that time. Bitcoin rose about 2,000%. When the crash came, Ethereum lost 95% of its value while Bitcoin only fell 84%. This dynamic is reflected by most altcoins. The smaller an altcoin's market is, the more exaggerated this effect is.
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Once bitcoin gets to the reaches of $100,000 per coin as some here are speculating it could reach within a few years then you will start seeing altcoins dropping off like flies.
The king will take the reigns and at this point in time will probably be the main transmittance of value in several parts of the world such as venezuela.
Its time will come.
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I do believe that Bitcoin is the only blockchain product that will be exist in the future. The rest of crypto will eventually die. There are few reason behind my opinion :

First, that Bitcoin has a perfect concept while other cypto are just following hype, copying other's idea, and claiming to be the best. Second, Bitcoin is the only one that have been invented by unknown person (Satoshi Nakamoto) which make the growth of Bitcoin is purely caused by community support. Third, Bitcoin is the most decentralized product built with Blockchain.  I'm glad that we don't know who Satoshi is and I hope Satoshi would never come to public. If he decide to come to public, someone might have a personal feeling with Satoshi which will make Bitcoin looks bad or someone will push Satoshi to do anything against the original concept that will give them advantages from it or to make control over Bitcoin.
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This could be true. Before now I was thinking that alternative crypto currencies will increase in price when Bitcoin price goes up. But currently the case seems to be the reverse. The reason behind this is that so many people are selling their alternative crypto currencies to buy Bitcoin for hodling, expecting high returns. This trend can lead to a fall in the price of altcoins.
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I think the old and trusted coins will not die even if bitcoin will reach 500,000$ or more, they will still be used and will still have some value, i reffer to coins like Ethereum, Litecoin and others who already have an history on market.
But even these coins are dropping in price while bitcoins price is rising. The price of bitcoin was $5900 last night and checked the price of ethereum and it was over $180.
This morning checked the price and it was right around the same price for bitcoin but ethereum dropped down to $169.
Even with a lengthened history in the cryptocurrency space they are still susceptible to dropping down in price as any other altcoin whom just started out. Just look at the original ethereum etclassic. It has never really gone up in price but just keeps going lower.
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I've been watching and I'm seeing each and every of their word to be getting proven true as all the alts are just declining and people are trying to steal the only giant cryptocurrency - Bitcoins by only playing the leveraged trading games going on over Futures platforms and exchanges like Bitmex. The volume for each alt is declining to their all time lows while BTC has started showing greater possibilities of breaking its all time record highs once again.

Please share your thoughts on this and tell me what do you think.

zoom out, check out altcoin charts from 2013/2014 through now. these are cycles. and every time we go through a cycle where bitcoin outperforms altcoins, bitcoiners start proclaiming that "alts are dead".

it reminds me of nocoiners yelling "bitcoin is dead" because it's crashing against the dollar. in both cases, nothing is dying. the last bear market cycle (2014 on) was very brutal for altcoins and this is/will be no different.

but you and heisenberg capital will both be in disbelief in a couple years when altcoins are bubbling again. Wink
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I think the old and trusted coins will not die even if bitcoin will reach 500,000$ or more, they will still be used and will still have some value, i reffer to coins like Ethereum, Litecoin and others who already have an history on market.
I agree 100%. The only altcoins that have the chance to survive for a long period of time are the ones which are popular, have a strong real life use-case and are not P&D coins basically. Also, I don't really care what Max Keiser views regarding the cryptocurrency market overall.
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Is that right? Roll Eyes  I wonder which alt he shills this time.

We're talking about BTC getting dumped and replaced by the altcoins when certainly they rely on BTC's value. Bitcoin is just 21M and more than millions were already gone in the forgotten wallets which means the limited supply and how rare BTC is will be overthrown?
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We should never underestimate altcoins because just like bitcoins, they could also have a promising value when the market strike the best situation.
Some altcoins follow the trend and coins which we think are worthless sometimes rise and becomes profitable.
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I think the old and trusted coins will not die even if bitcoin will reach 500,000$ or more, they will still be used and will still have some value, i reffer to coins like Ethereum, Litecoin and others who already have an history on market.
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They say that it's been happening since 2011 but as what we have witnessed last 2017, altcoins also bloomed when bitcoin hit the highest price. Most altcoins rely on Bitcoin's value so I have no doubt that some dead coins would have its value when the bull run happens.
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This could be true. I have thought of a couple endgame scenarios
- Alts would take over and sooner or later one would eventually crumble BTC
- BTC would rein king and destroy alts

So, I mean. His prediction isn't really uncommon.

I don't see alts crumbling tho. Eth, XRP, and lots of top alts gained more % than BTC over the last pump cycle and retained much of their value afterwards.
It's not like i'm looking at $5 Ethereum right now - ya know what I mean.

I'm also not saying that they might drop to ground zero immediately, but I see no future of alts that are actually worthless and have nothing productive in their existence whereas I still believe that alts like ETH and EOS have reasons to stay die to the smart contracts and many good tokens using their blockchain and as well, both these projects are good as well after upgrades.



1. First of all during the obvious bull run all markets were green. Shitcoins sometimes were doing x10 while BTC gained only 10%

Really? Any proof? Where the shit did you find that?
It's true that alts gained a lot during the bull run, but BTC also did a 3x compared to whatever the 10% you're talking about.


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2. People are HODLing their shitcoins that are not growing during the time BTC is gaining in price. So they are selling shitcoins to get some profit with BTC.

I don't think that they're offloading but trying to gain more at lower values to cut off their losses to least levels. BTC alone can't pay them off, but what if alts give a surprise with a comeback at least once? That would be a twin-win situation for those who filled their bags with the alts they follow.


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3. Price of all those shitcoins is calculated in BTC or ETH, most of them don't have fiat trading pairs. So for example if someone is opening some service and raised in ICO $1 mln then his startup for that moment worth around $1mln. But in case BTC gained 10% then this startup also gained 10% while they did nothing and its real worth remained the same. So investors are selling its tokens because they are overpriced.

The only point I kinda agree with.
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1. First of all during the obvious bull run all markets were green. Shitcoins sometimes were doing x10 while BTC gained only 10%
2. People are HODLing their shitcoins that are not growing during the time BTC is gaining in price. So they are selling shitcoins to get some profit with BTC.
3. Price of all those shitcoins is calculated in BTC or ETH, most of them don't have fiat trading pairs. So for example if someone is opening some service and raised in ICO $1 mln then his startup for that moment worth around $1mln. But in case BTC gained 10% then this startup also gained 10% while they did nothing and its real worth remained the same. So investors are selling its tokens because they are overpriced.
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I think there will always be some people who think BTC price is too high for them and buy a cheaper alternative. Also, many altcoins serve a different purpose other than only P2P cash. So, many will die while some will stay.

By the way, Max Keiser is just a shill IMO.
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Good ole' Max Keiser - Sharing his crypto wisdom once again for us to learn his ways.

This could be true. I have thought of a couple endgame scenarios
- Alts would take over and sooner or later one would eventually crumble BTC
- BTC would rein king and destroy alts

So, I mean. His prediction isn't really uncommon.

I don't see alts crumbling tho. Eth, XRP, and lots of top alts gained more % than BTC over the last pump cycle and retained much of their value afterwards.
It's not like i'm looking at $5 Ethereum right now - ya know what I mean.
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Watched this.
Heisenberg Capital, led by Max Keiser and Stacy Herbert, two of the most early cryptocurrency adopters, gave a statement that BTC will probably outperform in the near term and will end the whole game for alts as the whole capital is currently being fetched out of alts and being put in BTC only to make it realize its true value. They believe that 2018 was all a comeback for Bitcoin to claw back the market share out of altcoins.

I've been watching and I'm seeing each and every of their word to be getting proven true as all the alts are just declining and people are trying to steal the only giant cryptocurrency - Bitcoins by only playing the leveraged trading games going on over Futures platforms and exchanges like Bitmex. The volume for each alt is declining to their all time lows while BTC has started showing greater possibilities of breaking its all time record highs once again.

Please share your thoughts on this and tell me what do you think.
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