Will Cassino Continue With Wagering Requirements, If Abuse is Eliminated?

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Quote from: livingfree on January 09, 2023, 04:55:55 PM

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Even if abuses or cheats made by players are eliminated, there's no way that a casino will stop doing wagering contests and other bonuses because that's already part of their long term plan.

They have a budget allocated for it and that will make more players to come.

It's encouraging as a player to see such wagering contests and bonuses if the requirements weren't that much or even it's just a free spin as a reward, many will participate and are happy with that.

They are just subjecting themselves to abuse if they will not put some conditions with their bonuses.
They are operating in cyberspace so expect that a lot of fraudsters or scammers will try their hands on if there will be no requirements at all.
The business can easily go down if they will not secure their business first.
Remember, scammers don't care if they will siphon all the money of a certain site, as long as they can pocket some money.
So don't think that casinos will remove their requirements or conditions with their bonuses.

Yeah, that's one concern but if they've been running giveaways and contests for a long time. They're aware of those things and sure made some barriers to avoid those possible abuses that might be done to them.

I'm not thinknig about the requirements, what I'm saying is about that they'll keep on running even if they've entirely removed the possible abuse on their end by those users that are there to siphon their giveaway budgets.

Most of the time new casino has been the target of this abuser so no problem with this will occur on old reputable casino since for sure they know how to deal the possible abuse that will come to their platform and maybe put some measure so that they cam assure that people claim it are legitimate players who regularly play at their platform. Maybe newly launch casino should learn from big casino so that they will not encounter this and face a huge problem since this could ruin or bad feedback if they fail to attain those issues.

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Quote from: TimeTeller on January 08, 2023, 04:37:13 PM

Quote from: livingfree on January 08, 2023, 04:30:25 PM

Even if abuses or cheats made by players are eliminated, there's no way that a casino will stop doing wagering contests and other bonuses because that's already part of their long term plan.

They have a budget allocated for it and that will make more players to come.

It's encouraging as a player to see such wagering contests and bonuses if the requirements weren't that much or even it's just a free spin as a reward, many will participate and are happy with that.

They are just subjecting themselves to abuse if they will not put some conditions with their bonuses.
They are operating in cyberspace so expect that a lot of fraudsters or scammers will try their hands on if there will be no requirements at all.
The business can easily go down if they will not secure their business first.
Remember, scammers don't care if they will siphon all the money of a certain site, as long as they can pocket some money.
So don't think that casinos will remove their requirements or conditions with their bonuses.

Yeah, that's one concern but if they've been running giveaways and contests for a long time. They're aware of those things and sure made some barriers to avoid those possible abuses that might be done to them.

I'm not thinknig about the requirements, what I'm saying is about that they'll keep on running even if they've entirely removed the possible abuse on their end by those users that are there to siphon their giveaway budgets.

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Casino bonuses are offered to keep players wager on the website and make them addict so wealthy players gonna deposit more go chase wins,IMO. Even if abusers somehow get eliminated, there will be additional requirements to cashout bonus money + profit from bonus otherwise it will cause more problems for house budget. Rollover requirements can be triple of bonus amount or even some casinos ask to wager it 40x to make it withdrawable. No concrete solution, people keep finding the glitches and that is why it is better to keep wager requirements for both parties.

Aside from attracting new players this is also the reason why casinos keeps on posting their promotions so that, players will play more and chase those bonuses, so I also believe that even if the abuse got busted and eliminated, the site will still asked for the wagering requirement to qualify for the bonuses which I think is still fine since you go to that site to gamble and not just to get that bonus and withdraw your funds right away which is considered as abuse.

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Quote from: Wiwo on January 07, 2023, 06:37:15 PM

There is no way wagering system will be remive from casino because that is one of the fundamental and integral asoect and features of a casino, wagering help the casino to generate revenue in form of rake back but this time the casino is the one benefiting .

Since there is a high posubilty of many players losing out on everything trying to meet the wagering requirements, casino operators know about this which is why they always add it to the rules.

Yes, its a business and not a charity which it is a simple concept and just a common sense that they would really be making out things which they do know that they are really that on advantage which
if they dont really set out those rules or system then they would really miss up lots of chance for them to profit and since its a business then it would really be that a common sense thing that they would
be doing all sorts of marketing and other stuff just to make them profitable.Its impossible that it would really be removed out and this is just not that relevant if we do speak about being realistic.
Abuse could be eliminated on the current terms and rules set out by casinos.

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Quote from: Wiwo on January 07, 2023, 06:37:15 PM

One thing that has disturbed me a lot lately and that has awakened my thoughts lately is casino bonuses and how it works, if you can recall, most of the casinos offer various bonuses and other promotions because that is one of the fasted ways to attract new and old players to continue playing on the casino. But one of the major challenges that gamblers face with these bonuses and promos are the rules that are attached to them, e.g wagering requirements and other rules that need to be met before withdrawals are processed.
This led me to this question
1: What is your opinion on casinos that offers wagering requirements on both deposit and bonuses?
2: what do you think, if all necessary security checks are up to 100% and Abuse is totally eliminated from casinos, do you think gambling sites will make a no wagering requirement on their bonuses?
3: what conditional do you think could perfectly replace the wagering requirement in a casino that will serve players' purposes and also protect the revenue of the casino

1. I don't like complicated checks (and draw attention to myself in general), so I don't use such bonuses. But in general, I understand their mechanism: this is "free" money for the player, so he is more easily involved in gambling.
2. The whole point of this bonus is to involve the player in gambling, so if he does not play and simply takes the money, it will be a loss without a useful result. Then no.
3. You can come up with anything - tiers of players, leagues, etc. getting where the players get the best bonuses and special offers, but everything revolves around how much profit they brought to the casino = how much money they bet. So it’s hard to come up with something here, since the essence will always be the same.

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Quote from: goinmerry on January 08, 2023, 06:49:45 PM

The revenue of the casino is well-protected already with the current system. Players on the hand will just do their usual approach to meet the requirements.

This way the cycle will just continue as usual and the players will be at the receiving end, while the player keep losing money trying to meat the wagering requirements. The casino on the other hand earn more revenue from the player betting amounts, a more player friendly rules is what we are asking for and at the moment the current systems are configured to favour the casino alone. I know in the near future, there will be new casino that will try to minimize the rule and favour players more.

Quote from: ethereumhunter on January 09, 2023, 09:57:19 AM

1. I guess it is normal for casinos to put wagering requirements on deposits and bonuses
2. Some casinos make rules about getting bonuses on deposits and casinos don't put any requirements so members can use them right away.
3. It will return to each casino because they must have requirements or regulations that they will apply to their members.

Usually, casinos that provide certain requirements will enforce these regulations on special events such as last New Year's or other promotions. And they will be able to detect players trying to abuse bonuses from that promotion.

I agree with you on that but the thing is, we can have a better way to tackle the chance of abusers gaining access to the bonus. Wagering is not the only means to eliminate abuse we can also enforce KYC and players who don't mind will go through the KYC process that way all accounts are verified which could replace the wagering rule.

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Quote from: Wiwo on January 07, 2023, 06:37:15 PM

This led me to this question
1: What is your opinion on casinos that offers wagering requirements on both deposit and bonuses?

Almost all casinos, both fiat casinos and crypto casinos. have the same way and strategy regarding their marketing. in this case, related to promotions, bonuses, etc. this is very common for any business person to do, including the casino business. they offer various promotions, bonuses, apart from attracting new users, they also protect their members from switching to another casino.

I think this is part of a marketing strategy that all business people run and it's legitimate. however, to get a bonus from the promotion that is offered, of course, there are different requirements depending on the nominal size of the bonus offered. imagine, if bonuses were easy and unconditional. it's not a profit that you get, but the casino will experience a big loss, because after all, the potential is very big to be abused by naughty users. so it's only natural, if in every promotion, bonus, event, conditions are always enforced in exchange for someone who successfully fulfills these requirements, is entitled to a bonus that he can claim.

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1. I guess it is normal for casinos to put wagering requirements on deposits and bonuses
2. Some casinos make rules about getting bonuses on deposits and casinos don't put any requirements so members can use them right away.
3. It will return to each casino because they must have requirements or regulations that they will apply to their members.

Usually, casinos that provide certain requirements will enforce these regulations on special events such as last New Year's or other promotions. And they will be able to detect players trying to abuse bonuses from that promotion.

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Quote from: Wiwo on January 07, 2023, 06:37:15 PM

1: What is your opinion on casinos that offers wagering requirements on both deposit and bonuses?

Most casinos do this, adding the bonus amount and deposit value and multiplying it by the amount of wager req that must be met before the winnings finally enter the main balance, it's rare for casinos not to do this and that's natural because bonuses are not free money that can be easily obtained for granted

Quote from: Wiwo on January 07, 2023, 06:37:15 PM

2: what do you think, if all necessary security checks are up to 100% and Abuse is totally eliminated from casinos, do you think gambling sites will make a no wagering requirement on their bonuses?

There will be no system that can run perfectly, there will be loopholes that can be abused by players and the wagering requirement is held not only to reduce bonus abuse but also to keep their business profitable because by not providing a wager req rule, it means the casino is giving a double bonus namely bonuses from deposits and winnings from games that can be immediately withdrawn for players, these will not be good for the continuity of their business at all.

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Everything which is free would be prone to abuse. It depends on the casino on the other hand whether they will contiue with this kind of promotion or not especially if they are not gaining from it, in relation with abuse from players. Wagering requirements I guess should contiue. Personally I have no problem with that ofcourse if it would benefit the platform itself as well than to see a good casino on bankruptcy because they were abused by players. It is a business they are running and they have the rights to limit something if it would cross their borders.

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the reality is, there will always be abusers. i don't think it can be eliminated especially if the casino is not requiring kyc to its customers. even some licensed casinos are still not requiring kyc for their small time bettors. so it is far from happening that abuse will be eliminated in my opinion.
the possibility is - they may lower their wagering requirements but they will keep certain conditions to avoid rampant abuse of their bonuses or rewards.

I agree with your statement. People will always try to abuse a free system wherein they would create multiple accounts to take advantage of all the free bonuses provided by the gambling website. That is the reason on why gambling websites have created "wagering requirements" in order to combat abuse. Even if a person creates multiple accounts to gamble and get the bonus, he/she has to satisfy the wagered amount required, which is set by the gambling website in order to give them the security.

These kinds of things happen even in real life. Once an opportunity comes, people would take advantage and exercise all the means to abuse it.

Just the reality. I can see this close with P2Es which collapsed on the long run because the economy of the game cannot sustain the abuse happening against their platform.

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Quote from: Wiwo on January 07, 2023, 06:37:15 PM

2: what do you think, if all necessary security checks are up to 100% and Abuse is totally eliminated from casinos, do you think gambling sites will make a no wagering requirement on their bonuses?

Security checks are only added when there is abuse in first place. Wagering requirements were only added after bookmakers became aware of the abuse of bonuses.

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Quote from: Wiwo on January 07, 2023, 06:37:15 PM

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1: What is your opinion on casinos that offers wagering requirements on both deposit and bonuses?
2: what do you think, if all necessary security checks are up to 100% and Abuse is totally eliminated from casinos, do you think gambling sites will make a no wagering requirement on their bonuses?

1. It doesn't bother at all, it's normal. The mind of some players because they are too compared to the wagering requirements of other established casinos in that they generally have studied the typical player a lot and are often faced with abuse so the requirements may be streamlined a lot.
2. Security checks is the next step after the requirements are implemented, this process will need each other.

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Quote from: Wiwo on January 07, 2023, 06:37:15 PM

3: what conditional do you think could perfectly replace the wagering requirement in a casino that will serve players' purposes and also protect the revenue of the casino

Let's see, maybe something like a deposit bonus tier? Wherein the more deposit the users made, the better the rewards they will get.

Or maybe a login bonus that I saw at some local online casinos. That way, users are not just gambling but rather getting small rewards on their login. It's good that there is small compensation everyday for being activie.

As for the revenue, gambling sites just need to have a proper and big bankroll. Regardless of any terms, if the bankroll is not enough, then that's a big problem.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on January 07, 2023, 06:47:29 PM

the reality is, there will always be abusers. i don't think it can be eliminated especially if the casino is not requiring kyc to its customers. even some licensed casinos are still not requiring kyc for their small time bettors. so it is far from happening that abuse will be eliminated in my opinion.
the possibility is - they may lower their wagering requirements but they will keep certain conditions to avoid rampant abuse of their bonuses or rewards.

I agree with your statement. People will always try to abuse a free system wherein they would create multiple accounts to take advantage of all the free bonuses provided by the gambling website. That is the reason on why gambling websites have created "wagering requirements" in order to combat abuse. Even if a person creates multiple accounts to gamble and get the bonus, he/she has to satisfy the wagered amount required, which is set by the gambling website in order to give them the security.

These kinds of things happen even in real life. Once an opportunity comes, people would take advantage and exercise all the means to abuse it.

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Quote from: Wiwo on January 07, 2023, 06:37:15 PM

3: what conditional do you think could perfectly replace the wagering requirement in a casino that will serve players' purposes and also protect the revenue of the casino

Since this is a newly added question I will answer this;

My answer is, no need to think of other replacements or changed in the usual terms.

Just apply the usual wagering requirements and no need for a replacement or something.

The revenue of the casino is well-protected already with the current system. Players on the hand will just do their usual approach to meet the requirements.

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Quote from: Wiwo on January 07, 2023, 06:37:15 PM

1: What is your opinion on casinos that offers wagering requirements on both deposit and bonuses?
2: what do you think, if all necessary security checks are up to 100% and Abuse is totally eliminated from casinos, do you think gambling sites will make a no wagering requirement on their bonuses?
3: what conditional do you think could perfectly replace the wagering requirement in a casino that will serve players' purposes and also protect the revenue of the casino

I don't understand why you end up thinking that if there are no abusers, the wagering requirement won't be eliminated.

The wagering requirement is not designed just to combat the abusers but rather it's part of the marketing strategy of a gambling site.

Let's not think too much about it as these requirements are really necessary to have as it's one of the reasons why users will keep playing on the site. Since these users are complying with the requirements, they will have a longer session on that site and maybe do some additional deposits just to achieve the reward.

You are definitely on point and as a business then it is really just simply a marketing strategy on which it is really just a normal thing that they would be setting out those wager requirement and couldn't really just easily
make out people do get or gain those bonuses without any terms specially if it could be withdrawn immediately which it is really just you are building a charity since its an easy money for users or gamblers
who do claim out those bonuses. Dont know on why op had been thinking up this way considering that it is really just that no sense.It would be normal that they would be putting those
limits and requirements because if not then it would be ending up on huge expense.

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Quote from: Wiwo on January 07, 2023, 06:37:15 PM

1: What is your opinion on casinos that offers wagering requirements on both deposit and bonuses?
2: what do you think, if all necessary security checks are up to 100% and Abuse is totally eliminated from casinos, do you think gambling sites will make a no wagering requirement on their bonuses?
3: what conditional do you think could perfectly replace the wagering requirement in a casino that will serve players' purposes and also protect the revenue of the casino

I don't understand why you end up thinking that if there are no abusers, the wagering requirement won't be eliminated.

The wagering requirement is not designed just to combat the abusers but rather it's part of the marketing strategy of a gambling site.

Let's not think too much about it as these requirements are really necessary to have as it's one of the reasons why users will keep playing on the site. Since these users are complying with the requirements, they will have a longer session on that site and maybe do some additional deposits just to achieve the reward.

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every bonus given, of course, we have to meet the requirements before we get the bonus, for example making a deposit then playing, spending a few dollars to get a bonus, sometimes each casino has a different style of bonus promotion, but don't expect them to remove the requirements, let alone abuse, because that will obviously hurt the casino

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Even if there’s no abuse, wagering will still be there as it is part of the strategy of the site to encourage more gamblers to try the site by playing it and not just go after the bonus, this could be a requirement that stays on most of the bonuses. You’ll be lucky if you see some promotions that didn’t require any wager just like on a betting contest or any contest that requires some work, usually is a wager free and you can get your bonus right away.

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Quote from: Wiwo on January 07, 2023, 06:37:15 PM

One thing that has disturbed me a lot lately and that has awakened my thoughts lately is casino bonuses and how it works, if you can recall, most of the casinos offer various bonuses and other promotions because that is one of the fasted ways to attract new and old players to continue playing on the casino. But one of the major challenges that gamblers face with these bonuses and promos are the rules that are attached to them, e.g wagering requirements and other rules that need to be met before withdrawals are processed.
This led me to this question
1: What is your opinion on casinos that offers wagering requirements on both deposit and bonuses?
2: what do you think, if all necessary security checks are up to 100% and Abuse is totally eliminated from casinos, do you think gambling sites will make a no wagering requirement on their bonuses?
3: what conditional do you think could perfectly replace the wagering requirement in a casino that will serve players' purposes and also protect the revenue of the casino

1. I am in neutral, casino has the right to implement their things. The wagering requirement is the anti money laundering action of the casino since there is a huge possibility that the amount they deposit to lose if they tried to meet wagering requirement. Of course profit is possible too. This is one way of protecting themselves in possible exploits.

2. No, gambling site will not remove wagering requirement, it isn't the security of the casino they need to secure but also the profit and most casino get back what they offer in bonuses via wagering requirement.

3. I don't have any idea or condition to replace the wagering requirement. It is there to lessen the outflow of the funds from the casino and I think nothing can be an alternative for that, that has the same function.

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Quote from: Wiwo on January 07, 2023, 06:37:15 PM

There is no way wagering system will be remive from casino because that is one of the fundamental and integral asoect and features of a casino, wagering help the casino to generate revenue in form of rake back but this time the casino is the one benefiting .

Since there is a high posubilty of many players losing out on everything trying to meet the wagering requirements, casino operators know about this which is why they always add it to the rules.

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Quote from: livingfree on January 08, 2023, 04:30:25 PM

Even if abuses or cheats made by players are eliminated, there's no way that a casino will stop doing wagering contests and other bonuses because that's already part of their long term plan.

They have a budget allocated for it and that will make more players to come.

It's encouraging as a player to see such wagering contests and bonuses if the requirements weren't that much or even it's just a free spin as a reward, many will participate and are happy with that.

They are just subjecting themselves to abuse if they will not put some conditions with their bonuses.
They are operating in cyberspace so expect that a lot of fraudsters or scammers will try their hands on if there will be no requirements at all.
The business can easily go down if they will not secure their business first.
Remember, scammers don't care if they will siphon all the money of a certain site, as long as they can pocket some money.
So don't think that casinos will remove their requirements or conditions with their bonuses.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on January 07, 2023, 06:47:29 PM

the reality is, there will always be abusers. i don't think it can be eliminated especially if the casino is not requiring kyc to its customers. even some licensed casinos are still not requiring kyc for their small time bettors. so it is far from happening that abuse will be eliminated in my opinion.
the possibility is - they may lower their wagering requirements but they will keep certain conditions to avoid rampant abuse of their bonuses or rewards.

It’s far from possibility to lower their wagering requirements because it’s the best way they can take advantage and make high profits from their players, as much as abusers will hard to believe that they will never exist since a lot of players want to gain advantage of the casinos too especially if they have made more losses than gains.

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Quote from: Wiwo on January 07, 2023, 06:37:15 PM

1: What is your opinion on casinos that offers wagering requirements on both deposit and bonuses?
2: what do you think, if all necessary security checks are up to 100% and Abuse is totally eliminated from casinos, do you think gambling sites will make a no wagering requirement on their bonuses?
3: what conditional do you think could perfectly replace the wagering requirement in a casino that will serve players' purposes and also protect the revenue of the casino

1. There's no free money, we know on how bonuses do works and as a business then it would be normal that they would be setting out those kind of rules.
2. No wagering requirement would be impossible and it would really be prone to abuse because it could really be multi-accounted by those users which its not something new anymore.
3. There's no other way because if there is then casinos or businesses would be applying out the best things among the rest to be ahead of the competition
but we do see that we arent seeing something or in connection with these changes.

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Even if abuses or cheats made by players are eliminated, there's no way that a casino will stop doing wagering contests and other bonuses because that's already part of their long term plan.

They have a budget allocated for it and that will make more players to come.

It's encouraging as a player to see such wagering contests and bonuses if the requirements weren't that much or even it's just a free spin as a reward, many will participate and are happy with that.

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Quote from: Wiwo on January 07, 2023, 06:37:15 PM

This led me to this question
1: What is your opinion on casinos that offers wagering requirements on both deposit and bonuses?
2: what do you think, if all necessary security checks are up to 100% and Abuse is totally eliminated from casinos, do you think gambling sites will make a no wagering requirement on their bonuses?
3: what conditional do you think could perfectly replace the wagering requirement in a casino that will serve players' purposes and also protect the revenue of the casino

1. There should be no wagering requirements if you will just deposit and gamble, but if you are aiming to get some bonuses then probably the site will require you to follow all the rules to get qualified and sometimes its not just about wagering.
2. If the abuse was eliminated, the site can give more bonuses but it doesn’t mean they wont ask for a wagering requirement anymore, this will always depend on what king of promotions they will introduce to us.
3. It can just be a simple task like following their social media platform, and also playing at least one game though you should not expect a huge bonus if the task is so easy.

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Quote from: Wiwo on January 07, 2023, 06:37:15 PM

This led me to this question
1: What is your opinion on casinos that offers wagering requirements on both deposit and bonuses?

Bonuses casinos offer to players or gamblers(like you said) is a way to attract new and old gamblers to keep gambling on that casino, so in other words, we can call it a marketing strategy.
My opinion on this matter is simple, and that is for the fact that it is a good way of winning new gamblers over, it a way of keeping even the old gamblers active on the casino, every business needs growth and for casinos, as a business, this is one of the ways they grow their userbase and business.

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2: what do you think, if all necessary security checks are up to 100% and Abuse is totally eliminated from casinos, do you think gambling sites will make a no wagering requirement on their bonuses?

NO, this bonuses are offered as encourage gamblers to gamble even more in a bid to try to claim the bonus, if the wagering requirement is eliminated, then the purpose of the bonus is forfeited by the casino.
Ever heard the saying that "To whom much is given, much is expected from the person"?
So exactly it is with bonuses offered by casinos and the wagering requirements that are attached to it as the only way through which those bonuses can be claimed or redeemed.

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3: what conditional do you think could perfectly replace the wagering requirement in a casino that will serve players' purposes and also protect the revenue of the casino

As long as protecting the revenue of the casino is still very important, then i personally see no perfect replacement anywhere for the wagering requirements.

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Quote from: Wiwo on January 07, 2023, 06:37:15 PM

1: What is your opinion on casinos that offers wagering requirements on both deposit and bonuses?
2: what do you think, if all necessary security checks are up to 100% and Abuse is totally eliminated from casinos, do you think gambling sites will make a no wagering requirement on their bonuses?
3: what conditional do you think could perfectly replace the wagering requirement in a casino that will serve players' purposes and also protect the revenue of the casino

1. Nothing, it's part of their marketing and they have to do something to keep their old and new customers and that's one way of doing it.
2. I don't think so, these bonuses and promos have something to do with their marketing and not with security.
3. Many have been doing the giveaways and that's how they're giving back to their players and at the same time, they're also making profit from there.

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Quote from: Vaskiy on January 08, 2023, 05:10:05 AM

Wagering is the key process with which the casinos make the revenue. If there is no wagering requirements, then what casinos pay as bonus and promo were just an unwanted spending for them. When people continue to wager, they can be on the winning and losing streak which brings revenue to the casino. Casinos continue with wager requirements amidst the abuse, however, things were organised abuse will continue to happen.

Ops should know that wagering is part of the ways casino rake back their promo revenue as there spend a lot of money on bonuses and even though Lately abuse have been handled and most casinos have security that can easily detect abuse.
That is why casinos sometimes players' accounts are locked and casino demand for KYC before the withdrawal.
But the wagering requirement is a must in most casinos, even some gambling sites sometimes demand 2x wager on deposits not even a bonus.

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Quote from: Wiwo on January 07, 2023, 06:37:15 PM

This led me to this question
1: What is your opinion on casinos that offers wagering requirements on both deposit and bonuses?

if abuse is eliminated I still understand if they require wagering requirements on bonuses, but if the gambler deposited and didn't take any of their promoted bonus? No.

Quote from: Wiwo on January 07, 2023, 06:37:15 PM

2: what do you think, if all necessary security checks are up to 100% and Abuse is totally eliminated from casinos, do you think gambling sites will make a no wagering requirement on their bonuses?

No, because if they don't they are literally just giving away money, which is extremely bad for business. unless they say that the money won on bonuses cannot be withdrawn.

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In an ideal world where there are no exploiters of scripte and advantages over the house, not only are wagering requirements removed but essentially everything that is imposed to protect the gambling site's integrity. This includes KYC, Deposit requirement, and other bylaws they make to ensure they are not dealing with someone whose intent is to abuse weaknesses in the gambling site for their own benefit. Wagering requirements are there to ensure that a gambler has played a substantial amount of times before being allowed to withsraw. This is to fend off abusers who jump from one casino to another in hopes of profiteering from a game's particular weakness.

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Quote from: dothebeats on January 08, 2023, 06:36:34 AM

I think even if abuse is eliminated, wagering requirements would still be there. If there aren't any then people would just go on and continue creating new accounts to avail of these bonuses. Casinos place these bonuses behind wagering requirements because their goal is to make money. Without wagering requirements, they are literally just giving people a lot of chances to win against them and it's counterintuitive to what they want to happen. Also, abuse will never be eliminated. People will always try and make things convenient for themselves and benefit themselves.

Wagering requirement elimination doesn't mean a free hand to create multiple accounts, what I meant is a working mechanism that will eliminate the possibility of multiple accounts and also total avoidance of possible abuse of the system in whatever ways possible. means that, casinos will have nothing to fear about abuse and loss of bonus money and other promos and players are only entitled to their winning alone with being handed other rules, that is when a player can deposit and withdraw the balance but the bonus is not inclusive but winning from bonuses can be withdrawn without any restriction.

Now I get you. I thought you mean the other way around. Even if the casino found a way to combat such abuses and whatnot, they still wouldn't want to remove the wagering requirements to activate the bonuses because this still gives the players a lot more chances to beat the house. And what if during those chances, the player wins big and leaves the casino without trying to play any further? That leaves the casino a total loss and they wouldn't want that. With wagering requirements, they can even squeeze in a lot more money from the gambler before they give out the bonus which cannot be withdrawn in itself. Casinos would always choose a win-win situation for them as they're in a money-making business after all.

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Quote from: Wiwo on January 07, 2023, 06:37:15 PM

One thing that has disturbed me a lot lately and that has awakened my thoughts lately is casino bonuses and how it works, if you can recall, most of the casinos offer various bonuses and other promotions because that is one of the fasted ways to attract new and old players to continue playing on the casino. But one of the major challenges that gamblers face with these bonuses and promos are the rules that are attached to them, e.g wagering requirements and other rules that need to be met before withdrawals are processed.
This led me to this question
1: What is your opinion on casinos that offers wagering requirements on both deposit and bonuses?
2: what do you think, if all necessary security checks are up to 100% and Abuse is totally eliminated from casinos, do you think gambling sites will make a no wagering requirement on their bonuses?
3: what conditional do you think could perfectly replace the wagering requirement in a casino that will serve players' purposes and also protect the revenue of the casino

I think some casinos offer bonuses in such a way that they are based on the amount you have wagered last week or last month and based on that wager amount they give you a certain percentage of that amount which you can do anything you want but of course that percentage is much lower than the wager you have made usually in 7-15% of that amount that you receive as a rakeback or something like that.I think this is the best way and as such the user can do whatever he likes,if he wants to withdraw then he can withdraw that,the casino knows because they intentionally is offering this rakeback in order to minimize that person loses.

Any other casino asking for wagering requirements which are not real like wager x25 to x50 your bonus amount before withdrawing are not letting you withdrawing money because we all know that is impossible to achieve.For deposit bonuses I agree there should be these wagering requirements in place and they should not be allowed to be withdrawn without going through these requirements because they are given to the user to boost his chances of winning but they should be not for any other type of bonus,more precisely they don't make sense in weekly and monthly bonuses.

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babuild the casino for money not giving free money and they are not a charity, that's why they always give a bonus for you to play and make a deposit also use the bonus then play then withdraw it, the casino can't remove the terms also abuse, because people will come to take money not to play in the casino Wink

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Quote from: Wiwo on January 07, 2023, 06:37:15 PM

One thing that has disturbed me a lot lately and that has awakened my thoughts lately is casino bonuses and how it works, if you can recall, most of the casinos offer various bonuses and other promotions because that is one of the fasted ways to attract new and old players to continue playing on the casino. But one of the major challenges that gamblers face with these bonuses and promos are the rules that are attached to them, e.g wagering requirements and other rules that need to be met before withdrawals are processed.
This led me to this question
1: What is your opinion on casinos that offers wagering requirements on both deposit and bonuses?
2: what do you think, if all necessary security checks are up to 100% and Abuse is totally eliminated from casinos, do you think gambling sites will make a no wagering requirement on their bonuses?
3: what conditional do you think could perfectly replace the wagering requirement in a casino that will serve players' purposes and also protect the revenue of the casino

This bonus issue has been said time with number, as the OP said, it is bonus is a bait to lure the gamblers to the websites, yes the rules or the policies always affect gamblers from one way or other. To answer your questions.
1. When a casino attached deposit to it's bonuses then many gamblers do not registered to the site because that becomes a condition to them, wagering requirement for casino bonus limit the number of gamblers to the forum. And if a casino really want to cause traffic in the site. It should give the bonus freely. As the name implies "bonus" which means free gift to a customer, so there shouldn't be any attachments to it when giving.
2. Yes customers also in some times abuse bonuses, but if the security is very good in the site then there is no need for wagering requirement.
3. Casinos should give free bonuses and let the plays to win the one or two games then ask them to deposit before withdrawing the bonus but can't withdraw the deposited amount unless he or she plays a game to win again.

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Quote from: Wiwo on January 07, 2023, 06:37:15 PM

One thing that has disturbed me a lot lately and that has awakened my thoughts lately is casino bonuses and how it works, if you can recall, most of the casinos offer various bonuses and other promotions because that is one of the fasted ways to attract new and old players to continue playing on the casino. But one of the major challenges that gamblers face with these bonuses and promos are the rules that are attached to them, e.g wagering requirements and other rules that need to be met before withdrawals are processed.
This led me to this question
1: What is your opinion on casinos that offers wagering requirements on both deposit and bonuses?
2: what do you think, if all necessary security checks are up to 100% and Abuse is totally eliminated from casinos, do you think gambling sites will make a no wagering requirement on their bonuses?
3: what conditional do you think could perfectly replace the wagering requirement in a casino that will serve players' purposes and also protect the revenue of the casino

No because that’s the defense mechanism of casino not to only be protected from abusers but also from regular player to not easily claim the bonus. We all now that casino is not a charity and bonuses is just there way to attract there customers to play and potentially lose along the completion of its requirements. Also there’s no such way that abuser will be remove out of the picture.

1. Most of the casino has wagering requirements for deposit and bonuses so this is pretty normal nowadays to avoid abuser and laundering.

2.No as explained above

3. I believe hitting a certain profit amount is an alternative to wagering requirements.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on January 08, 2023, 12:45:23 AM

1. This mean the casino want to increase the wagering requirement difficulty since you need to able meet the requirement on both deposit and bonuses.

2. Security check doesn't only used to fight against abusers and multiple accounts, but it's used to fight against people who want to get free money from the casino! Can you think if the casino remove the wagering requirement and they have 200% deposit bonus? the casino will rekt soon since the users can double their money without need to gamble! deposit $200 withdraw $400, deposit $400 withdraw $800 lol.

For number one, the OP is asking about our opinion and not if what suggestions we can give to the casino and the point of all of it is to cut the wagering requirement and not to increase it more. I think that will be crazy if the casino will increase its difficulty when the current wagering requirement is already hard.

On your number two, free money was actually the root cause on why there are abuse and multi accounts but other than the free money or the bonus, the wagering requirement do also helps to possibly prevent money laundering. They are now rampant so I think there is no way that wagering requirements will be removed.

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Quote from: dothebeats on January 08, 2023, 06:36:34 AM

I think even if abuse is eliminated, wagering requirements would still be there. If there aren't any then people would just go on and continue creating new accounts to avail of these bonuses. Casinos place these bonuses behind wagering requirements because their goal is to make money. Without wagering requirements, they are literally just giving people a lot of chances to win against them and it's counterintuitive to what they want to happen. Also, abuse will never be eliminated. People will always try and make things convenient for themselves and benefit themselves.

Wagering requirement elimination doesn't mean a free hand to create multiple accounts, what I meant is a working mechanism that will eliminate the possibility of multiple accounts and also total avoidance of possible abuse of the system in whatever ways possible. means that, casinos will have nothing to fear about abuse and loss of bonus money and other promos and players are only entitled to their winning alone with being handed other rules, that is when a player can deposit and withdraw the balance but the bonus is not inclusive but winning from bonuses can be withdrawn without any restriction.

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I think even if abuse is eliminated, wagering requirements would still be there. If there isn't any then people would just go on and continue creating new accounts to avail of these bonuses. Casinos place these bonuses behind wagering requirements because their goal is to make money. Without wagering requirements, they are literally just giving people a lot of chances to win against them and it's counterintuitive of what they want to happen. Also, abuse will never be eliminated. People will always try and make things convenient for themselves and benefit themselves.

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For promos, the wagering requirement isn't just for abusers, but it serves as one of the main ingredients to make the promo happens. For example, let's say the marketing budget for each new member is $1 and the target is 1,000 new members = $1,000. Instead of giving each $1 which no one cares about, they can just create a promo with a $1,000 prize pool. Make it extremely improbable that only 1 out of 1,000 new members will be able to get the prize via a stupid amount of wagering requirements and you'll get a sexy promo within your marketing budget (in this case $1,000 no-deposit bonus, sexy!). The actual math will be different, but you should get the point.

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The wagering requirement is here to stay because it was created to serve the casinos, not the gamblers, cheaters, and abusers will not vanish, cheaters will always cheat, and abusers will always abuse, and the wagering requirement was put in place to prevent this.

This is the best casinos can come out to prevent abusers and its been going on since, and I don't think a casino can survive if they implement bonuses without wagering requirements, they will have to double their effort to weed out abusers because it will be targeted by cheaters and abusers.

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Wagering is the key process with which the casinos make the revenue. If there is no wagering requirements, then what casinos pay as bonus and promo were just an unwanted spending for them. When people continue to wager, they can be on the winning and losing streak which brings revenue to the casino. Casinos continue with wager requirements amidst the abuse, however things were organised abuse will continue to happen.

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Quote from: Wiwo on January 07, 2023, 06:37:15 PM

One thing that has disturbed me a lot lately and that has awakened my thoughts lately is casino bonuses and how it works, if you can recall, most of the casinos offer various bonuses and other promotions because that is one of the fasted ways to attract new and old players to continue playing on the casino. But one of the major challenges that gamblers face with these bonuses and promos are the rules that are attached to them, e.g wagering requirements and other rules that need to be met before withdrawals are processed.

Why fix it when it's not broken, casinos get more players, and players are motivated to play for the requirements on their bonuses, casinos make a profit from players playing, and the casinos match these with bonuses on what they wager.

This led me to this question
1: What is your opinion on casinos that offers wagering requirements on both deposit and bonuses?
It's the best that they can employ to prevent abuses because even if they have a good tracking system abusers will still try to abuse and cheat, wagering is here to prevent this.

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2: what do you think, if all necessary security checks are up to 100% and Abuse is totally eliminated from casinos, do you think gambling sites will make a no-wagering requirement on their bonuses?

They will still implement to encourage their players to put in more money to reach the wagering requirement, casinos will not take out something that is advantageous and profitable for them.

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3: what conditional do you think could perfectly replace the wagering requirement in a casino that will serve players' purposes and also protect the revenue of the casino

I cannot think of anything, casinos are making money on this and preventing abuse and cheating what could be a more effective method that casinos can employ when this is already a good one.

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Quote from: robelneo on January 07, 2023, 06:47:46 PM

Quote from: Wiwo on January 07, 2023, 06:37:15 PM

2: what do you think, if all necessary security checks are up to 100% and Abuse is totally eliminated from casinos, do you think gambling sites will make a no wagering requirement on their bonuses?

Why would they? casinos are living on their player's deposits and playing activity, there are always wagering requirements in everything you do in casinos.

I agree, in casinos, it's all about wagering... and without wagering requirements, it would be like casinos are giving away money! But casinos are not charity organizations, and even if abuse is completely eliminated there will be wagering requirements for all casino features.

When it comes to money, I never saw any casino that gives some "free cash" without wagering requirements before withdrawal... imagine that abuse if you can register, get some free cash and withdraw that cash immediately! I guess even with mandatory KYC people will try to take as much as they can...
But some casinos give "free spins" without wagering requirements, but the tricky part is that with 20-30 spins you need to be extremely lucky to hit something nice. Usually, it's a few dollars so you need to play more before you reach the minimum withdrawal amount.

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One thing we should keep in mind, no matter the good intention of casinos to give back to players and bring in more players, there would be a collective set of people that would abuse that privilege, they would want to milk that advantage, and that is why I sometimes don't blame the casino, after all, is their money they are suing to attract players, there rule there way.

Quote from: Wiwo on January 07, 2023, 06:37:15 PM

1: What is your opinion on casinos that offers wagering requirements on both deposit and bonuses?
2: what do you think, if all necessary security checks are up to 100% and Abuse is totally eliminated from casinos, do you think gambling sites will make a no wagering requirement on their bonuses?
3: what conditional do you think could perfectly replace the wagering requirement in a casino that will serve players' purposes and also protect the revenue of the casino

The essence of the bonus is to increase the funds of players with a little amount or increase player's funds in general, at least it will increase their potential cashout, I don't think there are benefits of the bonus if a player doesn't use it to wager or stake any games, the bonus is non-withdrawable until a player use it to play one to two games depending on the casino.

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Wagering requirements serve a number of purposes for the operators. They make sure users are actually playing games and have deposited and bet a certain amount and that users didn't just take advantage of the bonuses and promos. It becomes a standard part of casino operators already as a sort of protecting thier interest.

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2: what do you think, if all necessary security checks are up to 100% and Abuse is totally eliminated from casinos, do you think gambling sites will make a no wagering requirement on their bonuses?
3: what conditional do you think could perfectly replace the wagering requirement in a casino that will serve players' purposes and also protect the revenue of the casino

1.The wagering requirement is the main protection against abuse. Can you come up with other security checks and anti-fraud measures?
It's like asking the question: "Would you rob a bank, if there are no guards, the cameras aren't working and you have all the keys?" Of course that some people will try to abuse the system, when the security is off.
2.The casinos, that offer bonuses without a wagering requirement will simply lose their money, because everyone will abuse the bonus system until the casino goes bankrupt. There's no alternative to the wagering requirement. The people, who think that KYC is a good replacement to the wagering requirement are naive. The darkweb is full with stolen ID pictures and info, which can be used for ID verification.

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Quote from: Wiwo on January 07, 2023, 06:37:15 PM

1: What is your opinion on casinos that offers wagering requirements on both deposit and bonuses?
2: what do you think, if all necessary security checks are up to 100% and Abuse is totally eliminated from casinos, do you think gambling sites will make a no wagering requirement on their bonuses?
3: what conditional do you think could perfectly replace the wagering requirement in a casino that will serve players' purposes and also protect the revenue of the casino

1. Understandable. Otherwise, bonuses and the like would most likely be abused, and they'd have no real profit off of the freebies they give (not that there is in the first place though, it's only in the cases that they actually win through said bonuses after all).
2. No. As I said earlier, abuses aren't the only factor involved here, it's also the potential profits they could by making new users reach that set wager limit. In the first place, I think abuses are already countered with the fact that most casinos require KYC on withdrawal? Just that is enough to promote a ban if they discovered multi-accounting for bonuses.
3. Again, none, simply because it isn't only protecting the revenue of casinos, but rather increasing it.

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Quote from: Wiwo on January 07, 2023, 06:37:15 PM

One thing that has disturbed me a lot lately and that has awakened my thoughts lately is casino bonuses and how it works, if you can recall, most of the casinos offer various bonuses and other promotions because that is one of the fasted ways to attract new and old players to continue playing on the casino. But one of the major challenges that gamblers face with these bonuses and promos are the rules that are attached to them, e.g wagering requirements and other rules that need to be met before withdrawals are processed.
This led me to this question
1: What is your opinion on casinos that offers wagering requirements on both deposit and bonuses?
2: what do you think, if all necessary security checks are up to 100% and Abuse is totally eliminated from casinos, do you think gambling sites will make a no wagering requirement on their bonuses?
3: what conditional do you think could perfectly replace the wagering requirement in a casino that will serve players' purposes and also protect the revenue of the casino

1. Wagering requirements for deposits and bonuses are conditions that are used by some casino sites to be able to provide bonuses with the aim of users being able to increase their VIP account rankings and with other goals so that each user makes a deposit to play or bet in the casino without relying solely on bonuses given.
2. It seems that the abuse will not be removed from the casino and remains, And the no-wager requirement will never happen because the purpose of the casino is the same as I said in my first point of statement and will remain the same for the foreseeable future.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on January 08, 2023, 12:45:23 AM

1. This mean the casino want to increase the wagering requirement difficulty since you need to able meet the requirement on both deposit and bonuses.

That is what it is right now, what motivated me to start this discussion is because of recent development as noticed with new casinos that offers player high bonus but have a max x50 wager requirements.

Quote from: Jawhead999 on January 08, 2023, 12:45:23 AM

2. Security check doesn't only used to fight against abusers and multiple accounts, but it's used to fight against people who want to get free money from the casino! Can you think if the casino remove the wagering requirement and they have 200% deposit bonus? the casino will rekt soon since the users can double their money without the need to gamble! deposit $200 withdraw $400, deposit $400 withdraw $800 lol.

I agree with you, wagering requirements don't only combat multiple accounting by abusers but also help to protect the casino revenues, but if that is the case, there could be a better way to do that. It doesn't mean if wagering requirements are not there it will result in deposits, bonus claims and withdrawals. There could be a better way to do that without emptying players all in an attempt to meet the casino wager requirement.

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1. This mean the casino want to increase the wagering requirement difficulty since you need to able meet the requirement on both deposit and bonuses.

2. Security check doesn't only used to fight against abusers and multiple accounts, but it's used to fight against people who want to get free money from the casino! Can you think if the casino remove the wagering requirement and they have 200% deposit bonus? the casino will rekt soon since the users can double their money without need to gamble! deposit $200 withdraw $400, deposit $400 withdraw $800 lol.

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Quote from: Wiwo on January 07, 2023, 06:37:15 PM

1: What is your opinion on casinos that offers wagering requirements on both deposit and bonuses?

Here you have the best reply:

Quote from: harizen on January 07, 2023, 06:54:56 PM

Promotions and bonuses should be expected to have wagering requirements. That's not even a question.

Gambling sites won't give free money obviously.

If you give me a 100% bonus, I deposit 1 bitcoin, and if there are no wagering requirements, as soon as you deposit the other bitcoin into my account, I withdraw 2 bitcoin. A 100% return in a moment. Much better than any bet or investment.

It would bankrupt the casinos fast.

Quote from: Wiwo on January 07, 2023, 06:37:15 PM

2: what do you think, if all necessary security checks are up to 100% and Abuse is totally eliminated from casinos, do you think gambling sites will make a no wagering requirement on their bonuses?

Quote from: Hispo on January 07, 2023, 09:19:54 PM

2.that would imply casinos would need to go further and impose even tougher KYC (which would be highly unpopular). There is also the possibility of casinos losing money (specially the small ones) if they do not administer bonuses correctly.

I don't see the KYC thing, as there are also wagering requirements at fiat casinos, such as Bwin or Betfair. Yes, it would be useful so that, following the example I gave earlier, the same person could not double their bitcoins in an instant with a multitude of slopes created, but the risk of bankruptcy without wagering requirements is there, regardless of KYC or not.

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Quote from: Wiwo on January 07, 2023, 06:37:15 PM

1: What is your opinion on casinos that offers wagering requirements on both deposit and bonuses?
2: what do you think, if all necessary security checks are up to 100% and Abuse is totally eliminated from casinos, do you think gambling sites will make a no wagering requirement on their bonuses?

1. To me it sounds reasonable. Because casinos business model completely depend on people depositing and placing wagers on their money, they also place those requirements to incentivize people to wager more, so they can become part of a higher tier and have access to those perks.

2.that would imply casinos would need to go further and impose even tougher KYC (which would be highly unpopular). There is also the possibility of casinos losing money (specially the small ones) if they do not administer bonuses correctly.

In the end, I don't think wagering requirements are going to disappear. Sure, there could be ways to make them more accessible and friendly to newcomers or small gamblers, but from the point of view of a casino owner, they help to keep things going.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on January 07, 2023, 06:47:29 PM

the reality is, there will always be abusers. i don't think it can be eliminated especially if the casino is not requiring kyc to its customers. even some licensed casinos are still not requiring kyc for their small time bettors. so it is far from happening that abuse will be eliminated in my opinion.
the possibility is - they may lower their wagering requirements but they will keep certain conditions to avoid rampant abuse of their bonuses or rewards.

I have the same opinion.

I have nothing against the wagering requirement. Bonuses are optional and you shouldn't choose a casino only for their bonus. Play like you would and if you happen to get the bonus and do all the wagers it's good for you, free money!

The requirement has become a standard in the industry and It's not going away. It can get lower but it won't disappear. One of the reasons for it is you cannot get rid of abuse in full. There will always be innovative people who will find ways to do it and there's a lot of poor gamblers who'd do a lot for a few dollars. The wagering requirement is the easiest way to stop the abuse. It's that or full KYC on registration and nobody has time to do that.

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No way a wagering requirement will be eliminated. They just attract users but keeping them loyal will be a question.

For sure these users will just get the bonus and afterward, they will leave the site for good.

Definitely not a good idea for them to consider doing that and I doubt a gambling site will do that for real.

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1. The wagering requirement is mandatory and will not be eliminated. That's proof that you are not just depositing for the bonus and the goal is to gamble. That already takes out the abuse.
This leads to the next question.
2. No, they will not. The reason is because of number 1.
There will always be abuse and they won't give out free money just because you made a deposit. Even banks don't give out interest in just a short amount of time. It takes years for just an increase of 1 percent or maybe less.

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Quote from: Wiwo on January 07, 2023, 06:37:15 PM

1: What is your opinion on casinos that offers wagering requirements on both deposit and bonuses?

Promotions and bonuses should be expected to have wagering requirements. That's not even a question.

Gambling sites won't give free money obviously. Users need to work on something fairly in order to get those bonuses.

Quote from: Wiwo on January 07, 2023, 06:37:15 PM

2: what do you think, if all necessary security checks are up to 100% and Abuse is totally eliminated from casinos, do you think gambling sites will make a no wagering requirement on their bonuses?

I doubt. Especially for new gambling sites.

They might end up facing bankruptcy at the early stage if no such wagering requirements will be applied especially if there are lots of users who will gain the bonus. The wagering requirement is also necessary as users won't stay on that site if the bonus doesn't have any requirements. They need to do something for these players to stay for quite a long and that's the purpose of the wagering requirements.

The requirement will also trigger their users to deposit more just to achieve the bonus.

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Quote from: Wiwo on January 07, 2023, 06:37:15 PM

This led me to this question
1: What is your opinion on casinos that offers wagering requirements on both deposit and bonuses?

It's an industry practice that has been going on for many years and has proven to attract new players, get more activity in casinos and be profitable for both casinos and motivate players to deposit and play.

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2: what do you think, if all necessary security checks are up to 100% and Abuse is totally eliminated from casinos, do you think gambling sites will make a no wagering requirement on their bonuses?

Why would they? casinos are living on their player's deposits and playing activity, there are always wagering requirements in everything you do in casinos.

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the reality is, there will always be abusers. i don't think it can be eliminated especially if the casino is not requiring kyc to its customers. even some licensed casinos are still not requiring kyc for their small time bettors. so it is far from happening that abuse will be eliminated in my opinion.
the possibility is - they may lower their wagering requirements but they will keep certain conditions to avoid rampant abuse of their bonuses or rewards.

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One thing that has disturbed me a lot lately and that has awakened my thoughts lately is casino bonuses and how it works, if you can recall, most of the casinos offer various bonuses and other promotions because that is one of the fasted ways to attract new and old players to continue playing on the casino. But one of the major challenges that gamblers face with these bonuses and promos are the rules that are attached to them, e.g wagering requirements and other rules that need to be met before withdrawals are processed.
This led me to this question
1: What is your opinion on casinos that offers wagering requirements on both deposit and bonuses?
2: what do you think, if all necessary security checks are up to 100% and Abuse is totally eliminated from casinos, do you think gambling sites will make a no wagering requirement on their bonuses?
3: what conditional do you think could perfectly replace the wagering requirement in a casino that will serve players' purposes and also protect the revenue of the casino

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