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But why bother using those services which are supposedly decentralized only to eventually be forced to accept to identify yourself when you can use centralized exchanges which offer a better service, have better reputation, have been around for longer and which have a higher volume? The main reason to use a decentralized exchange should be because you care about your privacy, and if it is not going to be respected anyway then there is not a single reason to use them at all.

Exactly. There will be no point in using "De-Fi" if platforms are going to require you to verify your ID. The whole point of decentralization is to remove the middleman from the system. Don't tell me that a system requiring ID verification won't have a middleman behind it. There has to be someone behind it to help provide governments with the information they need. Thus, "De-Fi" platforms complying with KYC/AML laws would effectively turn centralized by design.

That's what you get when crypto becomes extremely popular in the mainstream world. Regulators would want a piece of the pie by limiting crypto's potential as much as possible. It would be up to us whenever we will allow the government to interfere in everything related to crypto or not. If we oppose such actions, you can rest assured the government will leave crypto alone. But most people don't care, so governments will continue to do what they're doing until they destroy crypto/Blockchain tech for good. No one knows what will be the governments' next move, so we can only hope for the best. Just my thoughts Grin
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I think so, it's better to apply KYC. Of course I hope the application of KYC in the Defi project so that it makes us more optimistic with the developer, Defi who already has a large market will be prone to be used for scams if it does not apply KYC.
But why bother using those services which are supposedly decentralized only to eventually be forced to accept to identify yourself when you can use centralized exchanges which offer a better service, have better reputation, have been around for longer and which have a higher volume? The main reason to use a decentralized exchange should be because you care about your privacy, and if it is not going to be respected anyway then there is not a single reason to use them at all.
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I think it would be. I hope with all my might it would be. Decentralized finance is a beautiful niche in crypto. Unfortunately, it has been overtaken and swamped by all manner of scammers and malicious actors trying to game the system. It does not show good of crypto. We need sanitization of the system
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Dunno exactly, but there should be workarounds around that as you might be able to access these platforms with different frontends. After all, they can only censor frontend and not the smart contract itself.
This. You can't censor the contracts themselves if they are hosted on decentralized versions of github, which would be a perfect DApp on the internet computer. In fact, I think they might already have that one.
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I think so, it's better to apply KYC. Of course I hope the application of KYC in the Defi project so that it makes us more optimistic with the developer, Defi who already has a large market will be prone to be used for scams if it does not apply KYC.
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If you're looking for fully private L1 defi I'd recommend  https://twitter.com/beamprivacy, as it won't be subject to KYC/AML, yet it's auditable and you can share your own information. You control absolutely every piece of info you want to share.
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They (US government) are trying to force these exchanges to break down their walls and comply with KYC/AML laws by requiring users to register with personal information to trade on the platform.

The goal is for the government to see all of these people's trades and balance sheets, as well as get information about what these people are doing with their money.

For example, when you deposit money in a bank account, you're giving up control of that money to the bank—you no longer own it.

With DeFi, you retain custody of your assets, which means they are yours to use as you see fit. So, I think DeFi technology is the future since it brings solutions to traditional financial problems.

Governments know they can't control crypto/Blockchain tech, so they're resorting to "regulating" crypto through centralized exchanges as they're usually on-off ramps between Fiat and the decentralized world of Blockchain. They're asking exchanges to give out customers' personally-identifiable information for their own benefit. That would give them some level of control over the industry as most coins circulate through centralized exchanges. Don't be surprised if they're able to successfully force KYC/AML on "De-Fi" platforms, especially when most of them are centralized. Anything that's hosted on a centralized server or has a middleman behind it, can be easily taken down by the government. Developers don't care about this since they're only after the money.

Expect to see further scrutiny on this industry until crypto/Blockchain tech becomes no different than traditional banks. It seems to me that Bitcoin will remain the only truly decentralized blockchain in existence while the rest will go all the way down the drain. Just my thoughts Grin
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KYC/AML shouldn't be subject to De-Fi platforms.

Owners and users are responsible for taking care of their assets, most especially on investing/buying other coins and tokens, or entrusting their funds easily on different platforms.
States are able to regulate and will regulate all activities that can bring profit to people. If the state cannot technically regulate the product itself, it will regulate its circulation in society. So it was and so it will always be, as long as states exist as a form of social order. At some lower levels, complete decentralization is still possible. But if we bring certain products or relations to the level of society, everything is subject to regulation. The state, in order for it to be able to exist, has the right to protect its interests. And it will always exercise this right.
But their desire to supervise everything to such a great extent is causing the economy to slow down, for example many banks do not accept US citizens as their clients as the regulations the US government forced them to follow are so complex and convoluted that foreign banks prefer to lose those clients than to deal with the US government, so while I can see why governments want to have some sort of regulatory powers in this market they are so strict that many companies will simply stop complying, reaching the opposite effect of what they were looking for.
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hahaha interesting in my opinion is yes after you have said that tornado.cash (that "decentralized" has been sanctioned) it possible that other DeFi will be next but since most of DeFi team is anon and the project is open source any government cant stop that easy, maybe it become like Centralized Exchange

there is some kyc in some country and the other hand is not
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They (US government) are trying to force these exchanges to break down their walls and comply with KYC/AML laws by requiring users to register with personal information to trade on the platform.

The goal is for the government to see all of these people's trades and balance sheets, as well as get information about what these people are doing with their money.

For example, when you deposit money in a bank account, you're giving up control of that money to the bank—you no longer own it.

With DeFi, you retain custody of your assets, which means they are yours to use as you see fit. So, I think DeFi technology is the future since it brings solutions to traditional financial problems.
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With the US government declaring that they have oversight over Ethereum, it definitely sets up for some crazy battles in the future.  I can't imagine how all this defi stuff is going to be regulated.  I didn't think it would make it this far to be honest.  The next couple of years are going to be full of courts making decisions about people's finances on the other side of the globe.  I'm sure a lot of effort will be done to track everyone though one way or another.

FED chairman Jerome Powell already said "De-Fi should be regulated", so expect further scrutiny into crypto/Blockchain tech from the US government. This shouldn't be surprising, especially when governments want to exercise control over people's lives. Since "De-Fi" is something out of their reach, expect attacks against the revolution will to continue. I'm afraid the US government will be successful in their task of "regulating" "De-Fi" simply because most blockchain platforms are centralized. Not only that, but most dApps also have their frontend interfaces hosted on centralized servers. We'll never achieve true censorship-resistance this way.

How can Blockchain fulfil its purpose when most projects don't care about decentralization? As long as there's money involved, don't expect things to get better soon. Just my thoughts Grin
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KYC/AML shouldn't be subject to De-Fi platforms.

Owners and users are responsible for taking care of their assets, most especially on investing/buying other coins and tokens, or entrusting their funds easily on different platforms.
States are able to regulate and will regulate all activities that can bring profit to people. If the state cannot technically regulate the product itself, it will regulate its circulation in society. So it was and so it will always be, as long as states exist as a form of social order. At some lower levels, complete decentralization is still possible. But if we bring certain products or relations to the level of society, everything is subject to regulation. The state, in order for it to be able to exist, has the right to protect its interests. And it will always exercise this right.
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With the US government declaring that they have oversight over Ethereum, it definitely sets up for some crazy battles in the future.  I can't imagine how all this defi stuff is going to be regulated.  I didn't think it would make it this far to be honest.  The next couple of years are going to be full of courts making decisions about people's finances on the other side of the globe.  I'm sure a lot of effort will be done to track everyone though one way or another.
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I am sure that soon DeFi platform users can be required by the government to do some form of a KYC. Now, unless of course if the DeFi project is not accepting anyone from the USA so they can be exempted.
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If this will happen in the future, then they must not call it DeFi (Decentralized Finance) anymore, then it must become CeFi (Centralized Finance).
Decentralized Finance (DeFi) doesn't work like this, DeFi services or platforms are created in the first place because of some issue with centralized platforms and regulations, but now they are starting to take over DeFi which is really annoying.
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I am sure that soon DeFi platform users can be required by the government to do some form of a KYC. Now, unless of course if the DeFi project is not accepting anyone from the USA so they can be exempted. There are now many valid reasons why the government is going to be imposing KYC...and the top reason is the scams all happening around this industry and mismanagement of those who are already successful just like what happened with Terra. We are already an industry that is abusing the fact that there still less regulations so far...to the detriment of the innocent victims.
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The truth is that a great deal of those platforms which promote themselves as decentralized are not really decentralized at all, and we see this paradox everywhere in this market, for example if you take a look at the top 10 coins in this market which is supposed to be decentralized, what do you see? A bunch of centralized coins, probably the only one which is decentralized is dogecoin, but as we know dogecoin has its own fair share of issues as well.

That's certainly true, mate. A lot of coins are not as decentralized as they claim to be. The same can be said about "decentralized" lending/borrowing platforms and some "decentralized" exchanges. Considering that most projects are centralized, it's easy enough for governments to enforce the rule of law. You can see how easy it was to take down Tornado.Cash's frontend interface and GitHub repository. If developers would've hosted the interface and source code on a decentralized alternative (no centralized servers), things would've been different.

I'm afraid most "De-Fi" platforms will comply with KYC/AML rules in order to prevent losing their business. It's all about money these days, so we should expect the unexpected. At least, decentralization isn't going anywhere. The number of projects that are truly decentralized is small, but that doesn't matter as long as people have an "escape route" from governments and third-parties. As long as decentralization wins, we should have nothing to worry about. Just my thoughts Grin
True, at the end decentralization will win, it is just those developers go for the easy route as implementing a centralized solution is for the most part is always easier than to implement a decentralized solution, an example of this is the double spending problem of digital currencies, a centralized solution is very easy to implement as you only need a third centralized party which verifies the history of each token, but on a decentralized system we needed the genius of Satoshi to tackle and implement a solution to the Byzantine generals problem and reach consensus.
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The truth is that a great deal of those platforms which promote themselves as decentralized are not really decentralized at all, and we see this paradox everywhere in this market, for example if you take a look at the top 10 coins in this market which is supposed to be decentralized, what do you see? A bunch of centralized coins, probably the only one which is decentralized is dogecoin, but as we know dogecoin has its own fair share of issues as well.

That's certainly true, mate. A lot of coins are not as decentralized as they claim to be. The same can be said about "decentralized" lending/borrowing platforms and some "decentralized" exchanges. Considering that most projects are centralized, it's easy enough for governments to enforce the rule of law. You can see how easy it was to take down Tornado.Cash's frontend interface and GitHub repository. If developers would've hosted the interface and source code on a decentralized alternative (no centralized servers), things would've been different.

I'm afraid most "De-Fi" platforms will comply with KYC/AML rules in order to prevent losing their business. It's all about money these days, so we should expect the unexpected. At least, decentralization isn't going anywhere. The number of projects that are truly decentralized is small, but that doesn't matter as long as people have an "escape route" from governments and third-parties. As long as decentralization wins, we should have nothing to worry about. Just my thoughts Grin
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In my opinion, "De-Fi" platforms are unlikely to be truly decentralized if they're hosted on centralized servers, and they will thus become subject to the same regulations as their more traditional counterparts.

No guarantee whether that was decentralized. In my opinion if KYC is a way for the decentralized platform to be centralized caused by it was forcing its users to complete KYC verification. I guess that when someone participated in the launch pad from defi and then they required to complete KYC verification and such defi was actually cefi. Defi was not irrelevant for such thing. I know that the developers didn't wanna to do this but regulators are always forcing them all to make it happen.
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DeFi is finance that is managed by a system without being centralized or controlled by anyone. If KYC is used in the DeFi platform then it is not pure DeFi anymore, it seems to be a central crypto bank. I hope this doesn't happen, indeed there are so many scams that exist if done without KYC, but we have to be smart in choosing a platform and without KYC it's also easier because it's simple.
The truth is that a great deal of those platforms which promote themselves as decentralized are not really decentralized at all, and we see this paradox everywhere in this market, for example if you take a look at the top 10 coins in this market which is supposed to be decentralized, what do you see? A bunch of centralized coins, probably the only one which is decentralized is dogecoin, but as we know dogecoin has its own fair share of issues as well.
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In my opinion, "De-Fi" platforms are unlikely to be truly decentralized if they're hosted on centralized servers, and they will thus become subject to the same regulations as their more traditional counterparts.

As a result, there may be no difference between them and traditional financial institutions—the only difference would be their publicizing of this fact, and their choice of location.

The biggest issue here is that it's basically impossible for the government to regulate DeFi platforms without also regulating the underlying assets (cryptocurrencies).

You're right about that. Most "De-Fi" platforms are not as decentralized as they claim to be simply because they're hosted on centralized servers. That brings the single point of failure crypto/Blockchain tech was meant to avoid in the first place. Developers only use the term "decentralization" in order to attract the masses into their projects. But when censorship-resistance is put up to the test, that's when most projects fail.

I'm afraid the number of truly decentralized platforms will be very small because most developers will please regulators in order to stay in the game. It's all about money these days, so I wouldn't be surprised if so-called "De-Fi" platforms start asking users for personally-identifiable information. What matters is that decentralization wins in order to render governments' efforts worthless. As long as there's some level of resistance, crypto/Blockchain tech won't be going anywhere soon. Just my thoughts Grin
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Dunno exactly, but there should be workarounds around that as you might be able to access these platforms with different frontends. After all, they can only censor frontend and not the smart contract itself.
This is very easy to implement with the help of whitelists for projects and KYC operators. If the project will work in the USA, then it will have to comply with all the norms of the legislation of this country.
But since the KYC procedure will take place remotely, it is possible to use drops.
They have to follow regulations and the reason why many sites is not available in USA is that, there's a strict regulations and DEFI can't afford to take such risk or else they might face problem. DEFI should still be free from any regulations or KYC because that is its purpose but of course due to uncertainty in this market we can't totally say that this will be a KYC free forever, so better to be ready for the worst.
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Yeah, same thoughts. We can call it now "CeFi". I had never bought any DeFi coins before when they were mainstream back then, but the scammers were just endless that time and I believe this board was already flooded by people being scammed. With authority or not, encounters with a scammer are endless anyway and let's all consider those phishers.

We don't need centralized platform for scammers to go away. It just happens all the time and there ain't nothing we can do about it regardless.
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Dunno exactly, but there should be workarounds around that as you might be able to access these platforms with different frontends. After all, they can only censor frontend and not the smart contract itself.
This is very easy to implement with the help of whitelists for projects and KYC operators. If the project will work in the USA, then it will have to comply with all the norms of the legislation of this country.
But since the KYC procedure will take place remotely, it is possible to use drops.
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In my opinion, "De-Fi" platforms are unlikely to be truly decentralized if they're hosted on centralized servers, and they will thus become subject to the same regulations as their more traditional counterparts.

As a result, there may be no difference between them and traditional financial institutions—the only difference would be their publicizing of this fact, and their choice of location.

The biggest issue here is that it's basically impossible for the government to regulate DeFi platforms without also regulating the underlying assets (cryptocurrencies).
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Regulations and decentralization don’t go hand in hand. If a platform is being regulated by an entity, then you can’t call it a decentralized platform. Decentralized means it is unregulated.

Can you regulate bitcoin? You cannot. Every transaction goes through no matter who makes it and everybody can create a transaction. That’s how decentralization works.

You can regulate the exchanges because you know their owners. Since nobody owns bitcoin’s blockchain, it is impossible to regulate bitcoin.

Exactly. But we all know developers use "decentralization" as a "buzz word" to help attract people into their projects. Anything that requires ID verification is not truly decentralized. I'm afraid most so-called "De-Fi" platforms will begin to comply with KYC/AML laws out of fear from the government. It's hard (or almost impossible) to find a project that's truly decentralized and censorship-resistant these days. Any anonymous developer that comes up with a new cryptocurrency or "De-Fi" platform, will be quickly flagged as a "scammer" by the general public. It's sad because this takes crypto/Blockchain tech away from its intended purpose (which is being censorship-resistant by eliminating the middleman).

Yes, regulators are going after Defi if they still continue to be "decentralized", So I also agree that they will be require and mandated by KYC/AML in the future and they can't do anything about it but to follow, otherwise the projects might be sued by SEC.

Of course, governments can't enforce regulation within decentralized protocols themselves. But they could try to pressure centralized service providers (exchanges, web hosting companies, etc) in order to limit or reduce people's ability to harness the full potential of the Blockchain. It'll be up to developers to make "De-Fi" platforms as censorship-resistant as possible to render governments' efforts useless. Let's hope decentralization wins for the good of crypto/Blockchain tech. Just my thoughts Grin

They have to think another way it they want to stay one step from these regulators. Just like what they did to Monero, they force exchanges to de-list it because it is a privacy and censor resistant coin.  But as we can see, Monero still exists up to this day and any other privacy focused coin and continue to evolved to be on top of the game against the regulators.
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If KYC is required for the decentralized finance (DeFi) projects, it may result in decentralisation is no longer decentralized. I even doubt the KYC for DeFi will be possible as only wallet is required to be DeFi user. Anonymity can never be Separated from the DeFi projects.
It can still be identified by the platform even though you just need to sync your wallet to the platform but the developers can make it happen easily. There's nothing impossible when it comes to the building a platform or even restricting the users.
You can even restrict the users if you are the owner from the defi itself. KYC can be implemented easily to the defi as long as there would be an order from the regulators to did it. This will put defi into the so many disadvantage but im sure that defi developers would like to avoid being jailed rather than not to follow any order from the regulators.
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Regulations and decentralization don’t go hand in hand. If a platform is being regulated by an entity, then you can’t call it a decentralized platform. Decentralized means it is unregulated.

Can you regulate bitcoin? You cannot. Every transaction goes through no matter who makes it and everybody can create a transaction. That’s how decentralization works.

You can regulate the exchanges because you know their owners. Since nobody owns bitcoin’s blockchain, it is impossible to regulate bitcoin.

Exactly. But we all know developers use "decentralization" as a "buzz word" to help attract people into their projects. Anything that requires ID verification is not truly decentralized. I'm afraid most so-called "De-Fi" platforms will begin to comply with KYC/AML laws out of fear from the government. It's hard (or almost impossible) to find a project that's truly decentralized and censorship-resistant these days. Any anonymous developer that comes up with a new cryptocurrency or "De-Fi" platform, will be quickly flagged as a "scammer" by the general public. It's sad because this takes crypto/Blockchain tech away from its intended purpose (which is being censorship-resistant by eliminating the middleman).

Of course, governments can't enforce regulation within decentralized protocols themselves. But they could try to pressure centralized service providers (exchanges, web hosting companies, etc) in order to limit or reduce people's ability to harness the full potential of the Blockchain. It'll be up to developers to make "De-Fi" platforms as censorship-resistant as possible to render governments' efforts useless. Let's hope decentralization wins for the good of crypto/Blockchain tech. Just my thoughts Grin
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DeFi is finance that is managed by a system without being centralized or controlled by anyone. If KYC is used in the DeFi platform then it is not pure DeFi anymore, it seems to be a central crypto bank. I hope this doesn't happen, indeed there are so many scams that exist if done without KYC, but we have to be smart in choosing a platform and without KYC it's also easier because it's simple.
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I am sure there will be a coming conflict with regulators on how to make sure that DeFi platforms and its users can be undergoing the usual KYC process now being implemented in many centralized crypto-based firms. Now, of course, coming from the government their top concern is the security and safety of the people who are on the investing side with DeFi and indeed this concern could not be brushed off easily as we know that people had already lost billions with the bad players of this industry...even popularizing the term "rug pull" and similar concoctions out to scam victims of their money. Personally, am not against KYC but am also concerned with the safety of my data at the same time.
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if KYC is implemented then it should no longer be called DeFi. we are here governed and run by the system, but if there is interference from government regulations then the "decentralization" on the platform will disappear. The upside is that it may not be easy for scammers who usually easily create DeFi but have to go through regulations first.
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DeFi projects are not truly decentralized if you count them with strict conditions. If you start a project and you doxed your identity, that project is never a truly decentralized project. ~snip...
I think even the developers are doxxed as long as thr system of a project isnt fully authorized by one entity or governed by different people such as dao then it is decentralized. I dont think defi means the one who created it should be anonymous so government cant know who are they but based on the product they make which proves that they are really no control over decision, tokens and some important aspect of it. When regards that if a project is scam cause they have a fair share of tokens for creating the project, then thats bull shit. I guess Satoshi have some bitcoin shares too also right? (he also created the bitcoin). So there is no difference if some devs have percentage on the total supply, cause if people criticized them then why not also Satoshi, we all knew he has share of bitcoin supply too.
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Anything is possible, if Ethereum can go against everything it was so against them yes it's possible, only projects with invincible teams can withstand full decentralisation, the reason why BTC was never a victim is because Satoshi knew that staying invisible is the only way to fight the government.
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I think it finally will, the Regulators will have the same concern to De-Fi just like any other blockchain usage, which is money laundering, and I am sorry to say but if KYC is not required De-Fi will be the easiest way to launder money for bad people. Even though after that there will be some people who sell ID illegally to deceive this KYC requirement.
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Will this be the future of "decentralized finance"? If not, why? Knowing that most people prefer convenience on top of decentralization, I'm afraid "De-Fi's" future is not as bright as many thought it would be. Your input will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Smiley

If De-FI get subjected to KYC and AML laws then I think that isn't called De-Fi anymore.  That is more on Ce-Fi, centralized finance that requires KYC/AML in accordance to government regulation.

De-Fi platforms will never be a subject for KYC/AML because if they do, they will not be called De-Fi anymore.  I think it is as simple as that.

I would agree that the DeFi future isn't bright especially when government start hunting this kind of platform.
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Will this be the future of "decentralized finance"? If not, why? Knowing that most people prefer convenience on top of decentralization, I'm afraid "De-Fi's" future is not as bright as many thought it would be. Your input will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Smiley
If so then its not defi anymore. Defi means decentralized finance and if kyc/amla have been introduced then there is an authority already. Yes we hate the fact that defi has been a ground for scammers and a lot losses money with such breach and exploitation happening on defi. What isnt nice here are those creating platforms to openly scam users. Well the government cant tolerate those scammers and wanted to jail them and hunt them.

As much as we wanted to retain the defi, then there is always scam projects ahead, and if we pursue a centralized regulations to those then we also breaking the definition of defi.
These are my thoughts as well, if we're going to use those platforms and still have to go through KYC policies then what it's the point of DeFi at all? I might as well just use a centralized exchange which has more volume and which has great reputation so the chances I get scammed become very low, so this is something that DeFi platforms must resist and if they don't then I wouldn't be surprised if they lose a great deal of the people that use their services.
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Will this be the future of "decentralized finance"? If not, why? Knowing that most people prefer convenience on top of decentralization, I'm afraid "De-Fi's" future is not as bright as many thought it would be. Your input will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Smiley
If so then its not defi anymore. Defi means decentralized finance and if kyc/amla have been introduced then there is an authority already. Yes we hate the fact that defi has been a ground for scammers and a lot losses money with such breach and exploitation happening on defi. What isnt nice here are those creating platforms to openly scam users. Well the government cant tolerate those scammers and wanted to jail them and hunt them.

As much as we wanted to retain the defi, then there is always scam projects ahead, and if we pursue a centralized regulations to those then we also breaking the definition of defi.
Same thing I was going to say. I don't know if there are Ce-Fi's too other than De-Fi but if there are then KYC/AML policies can only be applied to them and not to De-Fi's but if let say it will be applied, then that De-Fi service will changed its brand and will join the Ce-Fi category.

There are big scams which had happened on De-Fi but I think some of those scammers have been caught out and the money have been recovered. See? It's still possible for them to be hunted even without those KYC and AML thing. Even if the service is decentralized, the governments are not ignoring them but they still do care for the possible harm that it could dealt in the innocent users.
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If we want to ensure that there is less scam in the DeFi space and no fear of another rug pull, then DeFi regulation is necessary. DeFi expert, Andre Cronje, wrote about this earlier. A large number of crypto projects are launched in unregulated crypto spaces and investors are completely defenseless against the threat of a scam or liquidity theft. After all, in order to register another token, one can remain anonymous and do anything. Everyone remembers the actions of Sushi's creator, for example. If we are talking about this space becoming a civilized environment for investing and using, it will never happen without regulation. Although it may go against the principles of cryptocurrency, the reality is that where there is no regulation, fraud and manipulation reign.
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These things become a little bit confusing and complicated also. First of all, we use Defi for freedom, which is what we actually got in our financial stage. And we don't want to share our personal information with an authority, so I don't think it'll be any good to use decentralized if it breaks its concept. We pay fees on every transaction on defi, such as a swap or exchange, because we don't need to pay huge fees like in decentralised, but if a third party is involved here who is obviously using defi, it will be a confusing decision for us. And if the government makes rules and a company has to follow them, then what can we do? It's obviously complicated. Thanks for the info.
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Technically, how though? I mean d in the defi stands for decentralized, which means that there isn't a central organization that could collect these KYC information. Just because the website itself is on a server doesn't mean that the whole thing is on a server, in fact the website is just an UI for it, normally you could do without that as well, you could literally deal with it purely on blockchain, the website you visit just makes it ten times easier to handle but that is about it.

Moreover, this is technically impossible and the second someone puts in a KYC into a defi, it is no longer a defi and it is a cefi and it will be a whole another point.
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Based on the law they should because it needs to be regulate due to finance involved. User can launder using those DeFi by staking and using the yield profit as clean money. Actually this was already being studied by lawmaker on EU and they are close on implementing new law to apply KYC on DeFi.

KYC DeFi is obviously not DeFi anymore because it will not be decentralized since users identity will be required before they use this kind of financial instrument.
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KYC/AML shouldn't be subject to De-Fi platforms.

Owners and users are responsible for taking care of their assets, most especially on investing/buying other coins and tokens, or entrusting their funds easily on different platforms.
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Depends on when they see it as a threat to the government and when other people will gonna use it for illegal activities. If not, they will leave it and concentrate on more important matters in the crypto industry and they will put some regulations regarding it. As of now they working on how they will gonna at least put some strict restrictions on the exchanges and others like mixers and crypto casinos so that they can have some huge amount of taxes and maybe they will go for De-Fi next time after it. 
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Most "DeFi" are non-custodial platforms in reality. The term is mostly used just for marketing nowadays. I can see a future where certain level of user information will be provided by these "defi" developers to tax authorities and money launderung investigators.

.... I'm afraid "De-Fi's" future is not as bright as many thought it would be.
Most defi users are also using centralized exchange so none of them would really care if that time comes. They are retail traders who thinks more about making quick profits than worrying about KYC.
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The front-ends of a DeFi product may or may not require AML/KYC depending on where they are located and/or what their principles are.

But that only matters so much. Anyone technically competent enough can operate with a DeFi protocol without needing the front-end. That's the entire point and beauty of it.

This was seen with the OFAC/Tornado cash thing if I understood it correctly. The front-end would censor transactions, but if you just interacted directly with the blockchain, you could go ahead and do so yourself. Because it's a blockchain.
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Forget about decentralisation peeps are so scared these days that they would pay extra bucks to have quality services and get more securities than just having LUNA like implosions as you said. Though defi getting its implications done for the true decentralised system it’s not worth it if millions of dollars are going to be stolen just like that without persons notification. These days exchangers like binance is more liked for the reason of safety, verifications like 2FA, liberty to have more chains than just one etc. Anyone would want to get services like that rather than DeFi. Though everyone has different mindset and outlook.
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Regulations and decentralization don’t go hand in hand. If a platform is being regulated by an entity, then you can’t call it a decentralized platform. Decentralized means it is unregulated.

Can you regulate bitcoin? You cannot. Every transaction goes through no matter who makes it and everybody can create a transaction. That’s how decentralization works.

You can regulate the exchanges because you know their owners. Since nobody owns bitcoin’s blockchain, it is impossible to regulate bitcoin.

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If so then its not defi anymore. Defi means decentralized finance and if kyc/amla have been introduced then there is an authority already. Yes we hate the fact that defi has been a ground for scammers and a lot losses money with such breach and exploitation happening on defi. What isnt nice here are those creating platforms to openly scam users. Well the government cant tolerate those scammers and wanted to jail them and hunt them.
DeFi projects are not truly decentralized if you count them with strict conditions. If you start a project and you doxed your identity, that project is never a truly decentralized project. Whatever you do with that, you are powerful person that can be caught by police, receive request to halt your project and so on. Bitcoin is really decentralized because the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto is unknown and the founder already intentionally left the community.

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As much as we wanted to retain the defi, then there is always scam projects ahead, and if we pursue a centralized regulations to those then we also breaking the definition of defi.
Scam exists everywhere and in many types. DeFi is one of types used by scammers but not all DeFi projects are scam.
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Dunno exactly, but there should be workarounds around that as you might be able to access these platforms with different frontends. After all, they can only censor frontend and not the smart contract itself.

That's quite incorrect, censoring on the smart contract level is possible and plausible.

If we take a look at Solend past histories, whereas there is passed governance that makes an attempt to take over someone's account, I don't think DeFi communities would fight back if they have government/authority pressure. So it is somewhat possible. I know it is too generalized, but if there is significant pressure, the developer and some community will likely just follow the regulation.

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Government can regulate them because there is a way to regulate and if there is none, they can just ban them. It will happen if there isn't any innovation done to remove them from the way.

So many factors they can try to reach to make Defi comply like the CEO and the server of the defi platform.  What I think defi need is a platform that we can install as app on phones or computers to make it more decentralized.  But what will protect us from a platform that will likely scam us as well?
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Will this be the future of "decentralized finance"? If not, why? Knowing that most people prefer convenience on top of decentralization, I'm afraid "De-Fi's" future is not as bright as many thought it would be. Your input will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Smiley
There will always be future for the defi. To be honest almost all of defi were actually centralized finance. I think that people will always be falled into the word of defi. I think that if you are talking about how defi can exist in the crypto and it has proven if defi already exist since a few years ago but the question is whether the regulation will be hurting defi or not. This must become the main concern caused by regulators are always pushing defi to be compliance with regulation.
Remember that some defi that already taken down by regulators in the past. that proves that if defi was not actually decentralized like what already mentioned.
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Will this be the future of "decentralized finance"? If not, why? Knowing that most people prefer convenience on top of decentralization, I'm afraid "De-Fi's" future is not as bright as many thought it would be. Your input will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Smiley
If so then its not defi anymore. Defi means decentralized finance and if kyc/amla have been introduced then there is an authority already. Yes we hate the fact that defi has been a ground for scammers and a lot losses money with such breach and exploitation happening on defi. What isnt nice here are those creating platforms to openly scam users. Well the government cant tolerate those scammers and wanted to jail them and hunt them.

As much as we wanted to retain the defi, then there is always scam projects ahead, and if we pursue a centralized regulations to those then we also breaking the definition of defi.
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Dunno exactly, but there should be workarounds around that as you might be able to access these platforms with different frontends. After all, they can only censor frontend and not the smart contract itself.
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Regulators have been paying close attention to the development of the "De-Fi" space, especially when the Terra/LUNA implosion left many investors "rekt" in the process. After the Tornado.Cash mixing protocol was sanctioned, the US' OFAC agency told American citizens would be able to withdraw their funds if they'd provide them with personally-identifiable information. That makes me wonder if "De-Fi" platforms would be required to comply with KYC/AML laws in order to prevent being shutdown for good (they are hosted on centralized servers anyways). I believe governments (especially the US government) will be on developers' tails to force them to make "De-Fi" platforms that are regulatory-compliant. If successful, every "decentralized" lending platform or even "decentralized" exchange would ask for users' identities, greatly undermining crypto/Blockchain tech's core value proposition (which is eliminating the middleman).

Will this be the future of "decentralized finance"? If not, why? Knowing that most people prefer convenience on top of decentralization, I'm afraid "De-Fi's" future is not as bright as many thought it would be. Your input will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Smiley
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