Topic: Will ETH has the capacity to pass BTC? (Read 347 times)

The ETH/BTC ratio is presently about 0.068. It needs to reach 0.16 to "flip" BTC in market cap, though I'd argue it would probably be a little less than that in all actuality because many more BTC have been lost for forever on a relative basis than ETH because everyone thought BTC was a joke in the beginning.

Do I think it can get there? Yes. It's hard to say what the odds are. But seems like a relatively good gamble to me. I think BTC is the safer overall bet as just a crypto to buy and hold. But ETH may outperform in general over time.

The major reasons I see ETH outperforming over time is simply that people both use and build on it far more than BTC. By factors of about 10x, consistently. See for yourself:

https://cryptofees.info/
https://www.developerreport.com/

I do wonder if BTC will get left behind technologically. Of course, it's stability and lean software may be what saves it in the long run. Hard to know.

with the presence of the second layer that has tremendously increased the active usage of ethereum right now i think it's most certainly possible considering the fact that right now volume of ethereum also slowly and steadily increasing. ethereum growth in term of value is quite fast, that I think with the fact that its got undenied utilities, could definitely help it out grow bitcoin.

Perhaps, it was hard to believe that ETH will surpass Bitcoin even though there is a surge in its volume. Granting that Bitcoin is dominating the market since from the very beginning, it was really impossible for ETH and any altcoin to stop it. Besides, I'd never see any altcoins that are capable enough to that because it was not just the price, but also how the project is been useful to the community and we can't deny that Bitcoin has play a big role in crypto world more than what ETH and these altcoins can provide.

I think that any coin has the capacity to surpass bitcoin. Ethereum has ever surpassed btc in the past. The possibility is always there but that's actually depends on how big the hype that already achieved by coin. As long as all of trading volume will able to be concentrated into the ethereum and it may possible for ethereum to take bitcoin spot. I would say that's impossible caused by it has ever happened in the past. So many veteran in here have ever seen about that too.

what we can surmise here is the fact that btc and eth are giving life in this market. they are at the top where each user can use each network depending on their necessity.
for now, we are not seeing eth surpassing btc anytime soon. the people are more into btc especially in terms of payment method. the gas fee is still the major complaint of most eth users.

I don't think, Ethereum has the capacity to pass Bitcoin, because whenever the price of Bitcoin is pumping in the market, Ethereum price will be pumping too that made Ethereum to maintain second position among other cryptocurrencies. Now that the price of Bitcoin has increased to $30,389 and Ethereum price had increased to $2,231 few hours ago, showed that before the price of Ethereum will hit $28,000 next year, Bitcoin price will definitely reach $100,000 for people to believe that Bitcoin will remain the king among other cryptocurrencies. Investing in Ethereum in this season is favourable, because the price will definitely increase higher next year to allow investors to achieve a good profits from their investment.

Why not read the thread completely with understanding? this thread is about outgrowing Bitcoin in terms of Ratio in speed of Pump per bullrun . and i think this will happen again like what more happened in 2018.
we did not see this in 2022 after the bull of 2021, nowadays? altcoin is getting stronger as we can see in the graph and in the market and people response .

Never in the history that eth surpass btc, eth is aways next to btc, they are both trusted and popular coin but bitcoin is always the most valuable coin in crypto than any other from 2010 till present, so for me i didn't believe that there is a surpassing of Ethereum to bitcoin today or even in the near future.

It is true that anything could be happened in this crypto world. And if we saw that the all time high of Ethereum coin is already close to the 5000 usd. So it can be easily assumed that in the next bull run it won't on that all time high price range it will be definitely pump and also will crossover the last all time high price. But I also can't agreeing on this point it can bee seen where there will have a chance that the capacity to overtake bitcoin price.

anything can happen in the world of crypto currency, in 2017 to 2018 we know Ethereum is at a very cheap price,
yes $ 80 to $ 100 is the price of Ethereum in that year, and now look at the price of Ethereum being able to be at $ 2000 it can even be up to $ 5000 if the price Bitcoin is bullish again.

"Will" is a weird way to put it. The capacity is there, so if you are asking "will it go pass btc?" thats different, but if you want to ask capacity, I think a better question would be "does eth have the capacity to pass btc?" because it already does. This doesn't mean that ETH will pass BTC, just because something can, doesn't mean it will. By this logic I believe that shiba has the "capacity" to pass everything else, doesn't mean it will, we all know it won't. However, if the question is just regarding the future potential then I do agree about it.

I do not ask about the future of this situation but that doesn't mean that we are not talking about something that would work out well for the current dilemma we are having. ETH will not pass BTC, even if it has the potential.

Well, if we're only talking about the potential profit percentage here, then it would be a better choice to pick ethereum. Still though, I prefer keeping equal amounts of investment on both Ethereum and Bitcoin along with some reputable altcoins in the market for mid to long-term holding. But of course, Ethereum and Bitcoin are still my top priority. And if I really want some good profits faster, I go for shitcoins. Investing amounts that I can afford to lose. Don't invest blindly though! Always study about what you are investing in even if it's only on shitcoins because even if it is an amount you can afford to lose, a loss is still a loss.

I am positive and optimistic with Ethereum's future but these type of comparisons are useless and nonsense. It's been for a long time since people thinking that bitcoin will be cut out by another project and even it's ETH, that won't happen.

Bitcoin is already at top of Ethereum and let's just all agree that it won't have any chance of surpassing bitcoin.

Because even so there's a good run for ETH, you'll see that it also goes up turning on just as bitcoin.

Ethereum is good coin as like bitcoin,traders call Ethereum as a Queen of crypto currency.This name come because of legitimacy of Ethereum even if they are decentralised cryptocurrency.Many people earned from Ethereum when it crossed the value of 2.5k dollars.The Binance Smart Chain of BNB had replaced the Ethereum for the transaction,this reduced the demand of Ethereum as a transaction mode and BSC had replaced it.So only the people who had some coins in Ethereum transactions based altcoin using Ethereum.Some people who want to mine Ethereum 2.0 also buying the Ethereum.Probably the price of Ethereum will back to 2500 once again.

I believe Ethereum does not have the capacity to pass Bitcoin, because there are still many investors who believe Bitcoin rather than Ethereum and the popularity of Bitcoin will not be able to beat (including Ethereum), so I believe that whenever Bitcoin will be higher than Ethereum (Ethereum has no chance to capacity bypassing Bitcoin).

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because for how many times that I come across the same question or hopes , and yet people still not understand what is ethereum and what is Bitcoin.
how they works and what are their futures.
Ethereum will never surpass Bitcoin that is what I believe and hold .

You can look at past history to judge their future, but that's not all the reason it will make a difference in this market. It is undeniable that btc has always held the top position ever, when it comes to crypto, people will say BTC first money and then altcoins, all later cryptos are born just stop at the level of competition. compete for market share and have never been able to topple BTC. Similarly, many new altcoins create a desire to replace the position of ETH, but increasingly only prove the position of BTC and ETH is very large and difficult to replace.

As for market volume, Ethereum can't overpass Bitcoin because Bitcoin is the most trusted cryptocurrency in the market, Bitcoin is on every exchange and on everywhere news when they're covering the cryptocurency the market. Bitcoin will always get the free publicity that'll make people keep getting interested in investing in Bitcoin.
Ethereum might lose its second position to a stablecoin or any other coin one day but that doesn't mean it isn't worthy to invest in, if you're looking to make more profits from the market, Ethereum can give you more profit that Bitcoin can ever give and that's why you see Ethereum having more daily gains than Bitcoin.
Ethereum is cheaper than Bitcoin and has almost the same reputation and popularity like Bitcoin so it'll always give more profits because it's less costly to buy Ethereum than Bitcoin.

There are still developments happening with BTC so it’s very possible there will be many L2 like Arbitrium and Opensea which will be secured by the l1 network however it’s basically difficult now because the network is very basic and makes it harder to develop compared to ETH which has smart contracts.

So you can value Ethereum as higher since just because you can run smart contracts on it doesn’t means it’ll win over Bitcoin. Plus POW in my opinion is more decentralized and secure compared to ETH POS at the moment. And decentralization is very important to crypto.

actually you did not read the thread completely or understand mate because  look at the part that I highlighted and you will se it there.
OP is asking of passing the bull ratio and not the price or capitalization in which I believe can happen again once there are altcoin season like when the time OP mentioned in 2018 that Ethereum really made a great pump over other coin even bitcoin>?
actually it is about the passing the Bull percentage and that is not about eth breaking btc in its total cap and value .

If you look at such a history, many such histories of Bitcoin have already been made. I don't think bitcoin can be outperform by ethereum or any other alternative coin in any ratio. But Ethereum is undoubtedly one of the alternative coins and their performance has been exceptional from the beginning and I think it's a plus point for Ethereum that in the future they can hold the same position they hold now.

I'm not speculating too much what will happen in the future regarding the issue you're referring to. But what I really believe is that the development of the cryptocurrency market will be very popular in the future, I just read in an article that some universities are starting to add one. There are a number of new industries that are related to the cryptocurrency market, and this surprised me because the country I live in is just a country on the rise, but approaching this field excites me. However, back to your problem, I see ETH and BTC have different features. BTC is defined as a cryptocurrency with the main task of acting as a means of payment. Meanwhile, ETH was developed to allow building decentralized applications (dApps) on top of the Ethereum platform. As a result, Ethereum is preferred by those interested in its capabilities in blockchain application development, while Bitcoin is generally considered a store of value. Along with that is how and how quickly the price of ETH increases can depend on many different factors, including market interest, the development of blockchain applications on Ethereum, and many other economic factors. However, it should be noted that prices in the cryptocurrency market can be very volatile and can rise and fall dramatically in the short term. As for how the price of ETH rises, it may not only be due to an increase in the value of Ethereum, but also depends on the distribution and search expectations of the market. If the crypto market tends to seek interest in Ether, its value could rise faster than that of BTC. In many cases, making a cryptocurrency value prediction is very difficult, as that depends on a lot of factors, including the recession, fiscal and economic policies of each country. However, if someone is interested and knowledgeable enough, investing in ETH can have good potential for returns. Although it is a bit long, I hope you will read and appreciate it in a more open way.

But if we talk about growth  percentage, bitcoin is usually  no where among  the top 10 as other altcoins get pumped hard and this could easily work in ethereums favor.


But with the ethereum blockchain hosting the widest variety of  tokens on its blockchain this makes eth demand already high enough to push its price up, but overtaking bitcoin has never happened  even with these factors in its favor.

I think it would be possible for bitcoin to stop growing eventually but ETH keep on growing after that. Not saying that it will get over it, but it could get close to it which already happened. We were closer than this back during the bull run, the reason for that is the fact that it requires less money to increase ethereum whereas it requires a lot more money to increase bitcoin. To make bitcoin go double, you need twice as much as you need to make eth double in price.

Obviously the closer they get the closer the requirement becomes and that is why it doesn't happen, but I believe that we will not be seeing anything like that anytime soon, it should be pretty tough to have anything in that regard and maybe we will see something better.

Ethereum is the potential cryptocurrency in the market next to the bitcoin.The history of the bitcoin was far better then the Ethereum,people who want to inverse of crypto currency.With a little amount of dollars,you can buy multiple numbers of Ethereum with the fraction of the bitcoin price.The price of the Ethereum all the time depends on the price of bitcoin.So when the bitcoin price was pumped,the same thing was reflected on the price of Ethereum.The traders use this opportunity to cash out their coins to Fiat with some profit.Ethereum was top of most of the altcoin in the market.The people can hold Eth for next to years to see how Ethereum reacts.

In my opinion, what determines the probability of an altcoin price growing is the market cap. The lower the market cap, the higher the probability of growing, and depending on this fact we can measure how much every coin can rise. Clearly, I'm talking about legit projects that have a product, not about a pump and dump coins. Regarding ETH, it has a higher growing probability than Bitcoin simply because it's less than half the market cap of Bitcoin, so the probability of doing more × is high. Indeed, ETH price made bigger × than Bitcoin in the previous bull run, and I expect it to do the same in the next one, as the Ethereum team are doing their best and the improvement of the network is going well. However, not every altcoins will do the same, as we also saw altcoins that did much less than Bitcoin. Actually, most of them didn't even surpass their previous all time high.

I do not think so, ethereum is a good coin and all of that but it has nowhere near the trust that bitcoin has garnered over the years, and as long as that is the case then investors will never allocate as much money to ethereum as they do to bitcoin, you must understand that retail traders no longer control this market, the ones that do so are whales, and whales are not interested on any other coin other than bitcoin whether you like this or not.

Altcoins are more volatile than Bitcoin. So, it is not very surprising if the ratio of ETH pump price can be higher than BTC. However, ETH is always following BTC price development, everything depends on how BTC price trends. If BTC price continues to increase and even can make a new ATH, then ETH seems to experience the same way. While if BTC price tends to decrease gradually, it will be a very small chance to see ETH price grows significantly.

By the way, OP only talks about the pump ratio between ETH and BTC. Regarding someone who prefers to choose BTC over ETH, it is his own right. We may view something in a different way, so nothing wrong with this.

Ethereum is the biggest cryptocurrency after Bitcoin and has a great value of course, but when it comes to competition, it doesn't even come near Bitcoin, whether it's about the growth ratio, the market value, trading volume, or anything in specific, Bitcoin is the top cryptocurrency for a reason, and that reason is that it's considered to be the best.

I like trading Ethereum for the short term, like buying it now and selling it a bit later when the market is rising a little bit, one can even hold it for long if they were able to catch it when it crashed to $800 in the recent Bitcoin crash, but I wasn't that lucky unfortunately.

And in your case, you already decide that Bitcoin is your priority, not ETH. Meaning, you never let ETH surpass BTC and it is because you know that BTC has the capacity to rule over the market while ETH remains the #2 no matter what.

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Because even Ethereum will pump 100%, we can't consider this as an indication that Bitcoin had losing capacity as it sometimes happens in the market. What we need is consistency and I know it never happens, it drops back and possibly BTC will rise at that time. They can be in opposite directions.

Since eth is a deflationary coin unlike btc its potential is totally undeniable, yes it can take years to burn more eth and make it more scarce like bitcoin but its technology its brings compare to bitcoin is really advance like DEFI its just starting and if the world will finally adopted it the power of eth will be very dominant over the years I think.

Not sure if this going to happen but we are all free to decide as it is our money to risk, though I will maintain my Holding majority for bitcoin and will hold small part for altcoin like ethereum.
ETH is working and doing great today crossing 2k again , but to surpass bitcoin is a Bit over expectation in terms of pumping percentage .
but lets see, since we as crypto holder can benefits no matter whom to move high first.

Mate let us not assume that there is permanent in crypto , remember that price and coins will move no matter what depend on how people support this , what if time changed that people goes to other coins? I am not saying it is Ethereum but what I pointing here is that changes will come( though I still support bitcoin) .
but at least chances are right?

Check out the monthly chart for ETH/BTC tho.  ETH has slowly been gaining ground since mid 2019 and it's still going tho it's kinda choppy starting around June  2021.  Does that mean there's going to be a flippening for ETH and BTC?  Who knows...  But could anybody say that BTC is going to stay the top dog of crypto forever in terms of market cap?  Saying yes would be sketchy imho, because again...  Who knows.

But I'm pretty sure maxis would say so without any real convincing arguments backing up the claim, just faith.

Bitcoin will always be the top dog in the crypto industry and ethereum will always be the second in the crypto ranking though ETH is having a great momentum this year because of their shanghai fork that contributed a price uptrend this month. In terms of strong adoption, no one can beat BTC no matter what.

this is crypto and nothing is impossible to happen though it will be hard for ETH to prove this to happen , there are chances even in the past  that there is ETH moving higher than bitcoin but nowadays?or in the future? Am not sure if this can happen but we cannot deny that crypto world has so much to expect and changes.

Pump per Bull ? I don't think this will ever come even if not in value or capitalization because yes Ethereum at some point made a Big move against Bitcoin but remember the year that you addressed happens after Bitcoin reaching its ATH and that is 2017 , and that 2018 is when the so called "Altcoin Season " happened?
and ethereum to be the next 28k? yeah it will but first bitcoin needs to reach at least million dollars .
actually he is talking about the Bull movement and not the price but yeah it is close to impossible to happen.

If you want to have higher chance to get bigger profit, invest in altcoins. Among thousands of altcoin, Ethereum is a best altcoin for you. It's a biggest altcoin and a safest choice if you want to invest in altcoins.

It is not fair to compare Bitcoin and Ethereum at different times and different growth, adoption levels of cryptocurrency market.

Without Bitcoin launch in 2009, will we have Ethereum, likely not.

Bitcoin will always have higher price than Ethereum but ROI for Ethereum if you join in 2023 and hold it next 10 years would be better than buy Bitcoin now and hold it for 10 more years.

After all, I don't see how Ethereum can take over Bitcoin with its first position in marketcap.

Surpassing BTC is next to impossible since ETH is going POS. Tokens in POS are earned by stakers/validators and they earn the ETH almost with just nothing but biding time.

Mining BTC is the hard part because miners would have to pay more for their energy bills to earn them. And it means that these miners will not sell in  loss that's the difference.

and also there are better coins that we can check and wait for this to break bitcoin but never Ethereum mate ,I trust bitcoin to be the number one coin forever but once there is another coin to pass btc? then this is not ETH (well at least for me ?)

With all the things ETH has to offer the cryptocurrency space and the community, it could potentially be more head-to-head against BTC. Still, it will not pass anytime soon because BTC would rise more and more compared to other cryptocurrencies. After all, it's the first one. There hasn't been a time that the prices became close as well. We are still there.

Good ol' days! I believe this will not happen again, you need to consider a lot of things back like the market cap of the whole cryptocurrency market, and before altcoins is not that so high in dominance against Bitcoin, Ethereum got most of the market cap among the altcoins market cap compare now.

Speaking of whether Ethereum will surpass Bitcoin, I don't it will happen, market cap says at all. Even if you try to combine all altcoins, the market dominance of Bitcoin is extremely far.

In normal crypto session 30-32 Eth equal to 1 Btc but in bull season we have seen that increase in Eth price is higher than Btc and i noticed 20-25 Eth equal to 1 Btc price. We cannot say that ethereum will surpass Btc but according to previous experience investing in Ethereum will give more benefit than Btc.

Only problem with ethereum is now its migrating to proof of staked and Btc still proof of reserved and decentralization of Btc is more than Btc which will not Big whale to sell Btc and invest in Eth which was possible before migration. There are so many fud i read in some articles about ethereum after migration.

28k is very big number and big money will be injected to Eth for reaching 28k. I think there is possibility of hitting 5k when Btc will hit 50k and 10k above when Btc hit 1 trillion. In crypto space everything is possible and Ethereum is Rank: 2 coin but apparently its not to happen in three years.

ETH network may grow but I am also on the side that it won't surpass the popularity of bitcoin.
They have different usage among crypto users, but bitcoin will still be the first to be recognize by people as cryptocurrency.
It would take time for newcomers to understand how ETH network works, and what is the deviation of this network from bitcoin.
But in any case, we are grateful that both networks are existent today. We can simultaneously utilize them depending on our needs.

NO, because it was not the only basis that we would think it happen. No matter how much the ETH pump, Bitcoin will remain the number 1 among crypto. In fact, you can see a lot of altcoins had pumped huge that ETH or even BTC but still, it never change their position because this is not the way how to measure what coin is on the number 1 or number 2 but the role and potentiality of the said project.
Well, it was an impressive growth of ETH and investors are happy to see it but doubted if this will take for long as it was still dependent on BTC after all.

There’s a huge movement for ETH and its pretty bullish but again, Bitcoin is Bitcoin and ETH is not meant to surpass Bitcoin, and there’s no way for altcoins to do this not unless Bitcoin started to collapse especially on its dominance in the market. ETH will remain to be on top, and be a leader of altcoins, bull market will benefit ETH and we might see a new ATH for ETH, better to have some now before it gets more expensive.

It can be easily noticed when low market cap coins like ethereuem make a price movement and at the moment that could be noticed in the price of ETH which is already close to 2k price, but then it is not surprising at all since bitcoin already break every market bearer for other coins to follow.


The only problem is when there is a market correction, its impact will be deeper on those altcoins and their drop will be at the same speed as the pump so you need to know that altcoin is a pure gamble, no doubt ethereum has done well in the market but then ethos still in the category of altcoin not to be compared to Bitcoin.

You are right about that because if someone is going to look at the percentage gains, ETH did really an amazing run from 2018-2021. That's a lot of percentages that we've never seen from it. But anyway, everybody is free to choose and we're all telling that someone has to take BTC and have it for the next bull runs because it is the future. While we're also learning from different altcoins, it's noticeable to see that there have been alts that have been good as of the moment but lack development in the future which made them like a nuisance project and eventually forgotten and died.

Everything has a possibility, but regarding Ethereum (ETH) that will surpass Bitcoin (BTC) in terms of price increase per bull market it is very difficult to happen, mate. As we know that currently a lot of L-1 projects are being developed, such as Aptos (APT), Oasis Network (ROSE) and others. Of course because of this, the MC in crypto will be significantly divided which causes an even increase, except for Bitcoin (BTC) which is The Godfather of crypto.

It is important to approach price predictions with a healthy dose of skepticism, as they are often based on speculation and cannot be guaranteed. While it is possible that ETH may continue to outperform BTC in terms of price increases, it is difficult to predict the exact ratio or timeline of these changes. It is important to focus on long-term investment strategies and consider the fundamentals of the underlying technology, rather than short-term price fluctuations.

Past history doesn't guarantee future results.  While somethings do follow along the same as it did in the past it's mere coincidence.  Following this method will lead you broke.  It's quite the opposite really, especially for altcoins.  Most times alts don't follow their past rather new altcoins replace some of the older ones.  Can eth take over bitcoin, I don't know eth has a lot more competitors than it did in 2018.

The way and manner of speed ETH bullish at times makes me feels one day, the pump price ratio of ETH may outgrow BTC not in terms of how much is BTC or ETH? But the ratio speed of pumps per bull. I remember 2018 when ETH was less than $150 but ETH takes two weeks to bull market. If somebody should be wise enough ETH would be the next 28k dos.