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As a result of the pandemic, tourism to many of these countries had declined and they have adjusted to that. Tourism contributes a very small percentage to Indonesia's GDP as well. It would be expected that a country where the majority of the population is Muslim should have a silent law on that before now and regular visitors should have the knowledge of it. To make money, businesses don't always have to be sexually provocative. I am in favor of protecting the community and its beliefs  
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Indonesia's legislative arm has passed a new law that criminalizes sex before or outside marriage. People convicted of extramarital sex could face as much as one year in prison.
This law would also affect foreigners and tourists that came to visit the country. Some citizens of the country are protesting against this law. While others are seeing it as a welcome development.

Business owners in the country are lamenting that this law can discourage tourists from visiting the country which would affect their businesses negatively. I am also perceiving that this policy might also scare investors from investing in Indonesia. But some religious business owners are of the view that this policy would attract business to the country from other religious or conservative nations or investors.

What are your thoughts?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-63869078

I think this should not be taken in a negative sense. Every country has its separate norms and custom; they promote the legitimate way for a relationship.
I think business doesn't depend upon sex as a significant factor. So it may not affect any legal business.
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What are your thoughts?

On the one hand, unless individuals are outside or residing together, it will be very difficult to execute the legislation. However, because there are differences between people around the world, I do not believe that a law prohibiting premarital sex will have a negative impact on their tourism businesses adversely. Family-oriented people will still go on honeymoons, anniversaries, or family vacations. Every situation has both a good and bad aspect.
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I'm not sure why such strict laws are necessary, but I believe religion plays a role. Laws like this are difficult to put into practice, so I wonder how they plan to stop it. Because it will be difficult to checkmate those who break these laws. According to me, it will have an impact on business growth when a CEO who is a sex addict uses sex to keep clients loyal. Before making any deals with any female clients, they want sex. due to a trust issue.

Despite the fact that the law has been approved, it is up to the populace to adjust to it. They will find it difficult to accept it, but they will have to follow its orders. This law will encourage young guys to marry. It's also bring sanity to the Nation
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some Indonesians who disagree or oppose the law only on the grounds that humans have human rights. so that people who oppose the law feel that their freedom is regulated and taken over by the government. whereas the majority of Indonesians are Muslims and they know that Islam does not allow sex before marriage, but these people have wrong thoughts blinded by human rights.


for Indonesian investment problems, I think it's fine when the law is passed. maybe some companies are affected by the law but they have started to get used to the law.
so in essence the law prohibits sex before marriage in Indonesia it will be fine
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Is Indonesia big on sex tourism that such policy would dissuade tourists from visiting? How many single men/women could possibly be dissuaded by such policy and to what extent would businesses be affected?

Virtually none, would be my guess.

And when talking about business. Maybe some businesses will be affected by this law. But only part of the business. And because this Law is not entirely new. so actually businesses in Indonesia are used to this. Actually, the punishment for sex outside of marriage in Indonesia is quite light when compared to Arab countries like Qatar, where the applicable sentence is 7 years in prison. Sourch : google

Which businesses would this target? Does a country with a high Islamic population really attract a level of tourism that would no longer exist if sex outside of marriage was banned. If it's longstanding policy for cultural reasons, then it wouldn't make any difference to begin with.

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They are also banned from living together - an act for which people could be jailed for up to six months. Adultery will also be an offence for which people can be jailed.

So what about people that live together without sexual relations?
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I read the article, and one of the residents said that he could go to jail as they are still not married and he has a child. He is scared that someone will go to the police and tell them their status. It won't only affect the businesses but also other people who are living peacefully, as those business owners who own hotels and lodging will surely see their income decrease, as well the economy of the country, as we all know that some foreigners will go to other countries to explore and also other girls.
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Indonesia's legislative arm has passed a new law that criminalizes sex before or outside marriage. People convicted of extramarital sex could face as much as one year in prison.
This law would also affect foreigners and tourists that came to visit the country. Some citizens of the country are protesting against this law. While others are seeing it as a welcome development.

Business owners in the country are lamenting that this law can discourage tourists from visiting the country which would affect their businesses negatively. I am also perceiving that this policy might also scare investors from investing in Indonesia. But some religious business owners are of the view that this policy would attract business to the country from other religious or conservative nations or investors.

What are your thoughts?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-63869078


The goal is to stop sex trafficking in the country. Report say 43% of trafficking victims are aged 14-17. Some experts even claim that the number of trafficking going on in the country is worst than it is reported. Right now I feel they're going extreme.
Banning premarital sex or outside marriage sex won't stop sex trafficking. People, more especially governments need to understand that you can't take people's right away just because some people abuse it and use it to commit crimes.
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There will be no adverse effects. This private life that belongs to the individual should not involve interests, and even if the law is not promulgated, you should respect yourself and others. Out of morality and your own upbringing, you should not have sex outside of marriage.
Talking about private life, it shouldn't really be a problem and no affect at all. But we have to face the reality that when there are tourists and sex is involved, there will be businesses that are gaining customers through the tourists will be affected if this law has been applied.

I wonder if this thinking is only for women? Women are disrespected if they have sex outside of marriage or premarital sex, so if men do such things, will they be humiliated by their families? I don't think it's fair if it's only for women.
Yeah, this is the sad reality. While for men, body counts is like a supreme thing and a factor that many others are boasting for.
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I think this law is not easy to enforce, because power and money are difficult to manage, and some laws only control ordinary people, like the rich people nowadays, who are not afraid of the law and can bribe many people by means.
This is a very exciting topic to be discussed. The law in Indonesia is something that has the greatest meaning in the world, but why can the law be for the poor and not the other way around? So, of course, this will be a question for many of us, as good people, who have our own awareness that we don't need to attach importance to things like this, but because this is a question, an answer must be issued. This law is an important thing and must be obeyed by everyone, but many people or even high-ranking officials enforce the law like food that can be bought. Of course, this is a very unfair thing if you don't have ethics and morals, you need awareness for all of us so that you can comply with the laws that have been made and determined by the highest government in Indonesia.
Therefore, the people find that there is cooperation between the president and the people or even visitors so that they are more assertive in carrying out or applying the existing punishments in Indonesia.
Regulations in Indonesia for sexual prohibition will have an impact on visitors who come to Indonesia?, actually this is a wrong thought, in fact Indonesia is a country where there are many places to travel not to party which maybe a lot of people are places to party sex outside of marriage.
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Yes, it will affect sex business adversely but let us look at the pros. I believe it will reduce the number of STDs, unintended pregnancies, young children becoming sex workers, and broken families, resulting in more stable households. There are some traditional family-oriented tourists who also practice specific religions; therefore, they will undoubtedly travel to Indonesia or bring their children there. Some people might even wish to relocate there.
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this law was originally designed to stop child sex trafficking and prostitution.
(the big problem of indonesia)
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Which it will fail, as underaged women are married to men they barely know at an age in which they should be playing with dolls... Is it not trafficking because it is their own family selling them? Another step in radicalisation, another stupid law getting the world 100 years back. If you want to fight child sex, fight poverty and start changing a culture that reduces women to cattle.
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Those kind of laws are very difficult to enforce, however in countries were similar laws are in place if for example you want to stay at a hotel with a person of the opposite sex you will need to stay in different rooms, so this could raise the costs for couples which are not married or for friends, which could indeed reduce tourism, however it would be interesting to see what has been the effect in other countries which have passed similar laws before.
Actually this is not too difficult to uphold in my opinion, especially when talking about Indonesia where most of the population has the same belief and of course the majority of Indonesian citizens have a religion which clearly prohibits this. I don't think this is difficult.
As for the actual impact, it doesn't really affect me in my opinion because it depends on the intentions of the tourists whether they are only visiting for sex or indeed for other business purposes because when they say business and sex are two different things. We live where we have rules and when we are in this case we cannot rule out rules that are prohibited either by law or religion unless you really don't have both in you.
Don't think too much about what happened in Indonesia, let's look at something that happened the last few days at the Qatar World Cup which made several rules that invited pros and cons in many circles. We can see now, if they really intend to watch the World Cup live in Qatar then there is no problem for them, but if they come with ulterior motives then this is a problem for them. But have we seen that the World Cup this time was not a success based on the rules that have been made? I see this is a successful World Cup.
It's the same with Indonesia, but everyone must respect and appreciate the rules that apply in these countries. There is a saying "where the earth is stepped on, that's where the sky is upheld".
I asked in return, don't people who think this regulation is a problem when there are tourists who don't respect what is valid in their country? Simply put, when we visit someone's house, we must respect and respect the rules of the house we visit.
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I wonder if this thinking is only for women? Women are disrespected if they have sex outside of marriage or premarital sex, so if men do such things, will they be humiliated by their families? I don't think it's fair if it's only for women.
Of course this also applies to men. it's just an example of the worst case that happened to a woman. because if it happened to a man it would be the same.
it's not about men or women. but about all those who have sex outside of marriage. what I said is just an example.
because even if a man is caught having sex out of wedlock with his partner. then it will end the same as I demonstrated above. his honor will fall. even the women might stay away from the man.

However, such cases occur if such things are already spread. usually this is spread because the couple who has sex outside of marriage has been caught by local residents. (in grebeg / look for the meaning in the Sundanese dictionary or Indonesian dictionary).
because actually a disgrace should not be spread. and of course we must protect the honor of our brothers. the case above only occurs if a couple of lovers have free sex outside of marriage and are caught by residents or many people (tergrebeg / confused what the English language is huh Cheesy).
and such cases are rare. and usually if it happens and is found out by residents, the couple must be responsible for their actions, namely by getting married. instead the man here will be held accountable for marrying the woman.


Sorry  OP. looks like I screwed up again by going off topic. So I won't be replying on this topic anymore. Grin
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a woman needs to be kept pure.

for what reason?
a. to be "tight" to allow the males nubby to feel the inner lining of her genitals? (seems one sided and selfish)
b. STD prevention?
c. have no other experience to compare so think that bad sex is normal and just put up with a guy that cant do it right?

explain why you think a woman needs to limit her life experiences for the gratification of a man

(im male but i can see the gender equality/inequality of the issues)
Ah, I understand that those who are not Indonesians will definitely not understand too much about this one thing (the chastity of women is highly guarded in our culture).
there seems to be a very different culture and thinking here.
and it's normal if you don't understand what @naira means.

The chastity of women (virgin) is very important in Indonesia (for the majority of Indonesians). because it concerns the honor and self-esteem of the women themselves for Indonesian citizens.
even if a woman in a village has lost her virginity as a result of having sex outside of marriage and her family finds out about it. then the woman will be considered a disgrace to her family. even the honor of the family and the woman will fall. Even everyone around him will start to disrespect him. and think the woman is a cheap/despicable woman.
in a worse case, there will be many playboy men who will start flirting with the woman. in fact I don't think the majority of men in my area would want to marry a woman who was no longer a virgin. unless the woman is indeed a widow or a woman whose husband has divorced her. because in my area everyone thinks that if a woman cannot maintain her virginity before marriage then that woman is truly untrustworthy and despicable. in our culture, the chastity of women can only be obtained by a man who has married the woman.

because we really respect women. we can't just randomly have sex with women we like who we haven't married yet. even if we like each other. We men must first show our seriousness in caring for and loving these women through a bond and sacred agreement called marriage.
it's new from a man's point of view.

and I once witnessed how a woman here went crazy (disturbed/had madness) just because a man had taken her chastity and didn't want to be responsible (didn't marry her). he became stressed and fell into a deep depression until he finally went crazy.
So that good Indonesian women will always maintain their honor/chastity/virginity until they finally get married.
that is the moral that has existed in our culture since ancient times. coupled with the presence of the Islamic religion in the archipelago, our culture is very compatible with the Islamic religion which also matches the teachings of our ancestors so that Islam is very easily accepted by our ancestors and Islam has become my religion and the majority of our religion.

so that even without laws made by the government. then we Indonesian citizens who still uphold the culture and morals that have been taught long ago will definitely apply the same rules as contained in the law that was just passed.
so that the presence of this new law is actually very welcomed by us Indonesian citizens who still uphold our culture and morals.

But I can't deny that today a younger generation is starting to emerge who prefer to adopt a culture from outside that talks about human rights and all freedoms in life. yet it is still in the minority here.

I really appreciate the responses from all my friends who are not from Indonesia who of course feel strange and may not agree with the new law in our country. But don't worry because this law is for our country and we can accept it well. because this law is in accordance with the culture that we protect and also in accordance with the religion that we profess.

and don't worry if you want to visit as a tourist. because we, Indonesia, are always friendly to tourists and have a high sense of tolerance.

notes ; Chastity here is not about the hymen. because the hymen can even be lost due to extreme sports and accidents. but it's a matter of keeping from having sex before marriage.
I wonder if this thinking is only for women? Women are disrespected if they have sex outside of marriage or premarital sex, so if men do such things, will they be humiliated by their families? I don't think it's fair if it's only for women.
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There will be no adverse effects. This private life that belongs to the individual should not involve interests, and even if the law is not promulgated, you should respect yourself and others. Out of morality and your own upbringing, you should not have sex outside of marriage.
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It seems you are not comfortable with this topic because your reactions show that you are not pleased with the news. I am sorry for starting this discussion that seems to touch on the culture and tradition of your people.
But I was only trying to unveil the economic consequences of this law. Please accept my apology.

It is also very interesting to know that your culture promotes chastity which helps to discourage sex before marriage. My tribe also has respect for the same values. But my only reservation is why is it that these cultural practices are sometimes targeted at the women or female sex. Why would females be seen as outcastes because they had sex, while the men that had sex with them are seen as superheroes? As much as the men wants to marry virgins, the women also should enjoy the benefits of also marrying male virgins too. My culture also treats women as second-class humans due to some cultural practices and I am not in support of it.

Please, sir, I respect your tradition and have nothing against it but we are just sharing knowledge.

oh take it easy guys. I have no problem with this topic. maybe my discussion is a little out of topic. and I have to apologize.

you don't have to apologize. because you did nothing wrong.
and because this is a discussion forum. So differences of opinion are normal. when we have different opinions it doesn't even mean we are blaming each other. but only put forward from each other's point of view.

I even like it when someone talks about my country. and I only introduce it from my point of view as an Indonesian citizen.

and if talking on the topic as I said above in the first reply. (I have done the reply twice
and three replies with this) that certainly some economic/business sectors may be affected. But the impact will not be too big. so that it will not be a big problem for Indonesia.
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Humanity, my Religion.
a woman needs to be kept pure.

for what reason?
a. to be "tight" to allow the males nubby to feel the inner lining of her genitals? (seems one sided and selfish)
b. STD prevention?
c. have no other experience to compare so think that bad sex is normal and just put up with a guy that cant do it right?

explain why you think a woman needs to limit her life experiences for the gratification of a man

(im male but i can see the gender equality/inequality of the issues)
Ah, I understand that those who are not Indonesians will definitely not understand too much about this one thing (the chastity of women is highly guarded in our culture).
there seems to be a very different culture and thinking here.
and it's normal if you don't understand what @naira means.

The chastity of women (virgin) is very important in Indonesia (for the majority of Indonesians). because it concerns the honor and self-esteem of the women themselves for Indonesian citizens.
even if a woman in a village has lost her virginity as a result of having sex outside of marriage and her family finds out about it. then the woman will be considered a disgrace to her family. even the honor of the family and the woman will fall. Even everyone around him will start to disrespect him. and think the woman is a cheap/despicable woman.
in a worse case, there will be many playboy men who will start flirting with the woman. in fact I don't think the majority of men in my area would want to marry a woman who was no longer a virgin. unless the woman is indeed a widow or a woman whose husband has divorced her. because in my area everyone thinks that if a woman cannot maintain her virginity before marriage then that woman is truly untrustworthy and despicable. in our culture, the chastity of women can only be obtained by a man who has married the woman.

because we really respect women. we can't just randomly have sex with women we like who we haven't married yet. even if we like each other. We men must first show our seriousness in caring for and loving these women through a bond and sacred agreement called marriage.
it's new from a man's point of view.

and I once witnessed how a woman here went crazy (disturbed/had madness) just because a man had taken her chastity and didn't want to be responsible (didn't marry her). he became stressed and fell into a deep depression until he finally went crazy.
So that good Indonesian women will always maintain their honor/chastity/virginity until they finally get married.
that is the moral that has existed in our culture since ancient times. coupled with the presence of the Islamic religion in the archipelago, our culture is very compatible with the Islamic religion which also matches the teachings of our ancestors so that Islam is very easily accepted by our ancestors and Islam has become my religion and the majority of our religion.

so that even without laws made by the government. then we Indonesian citizens who still uphold the culture and morals that have been taught long ago will definitely apply the same rules as contained in the law that was just passed.
so that the presence of this new law is actually very welcomed by us Indonesian citizens who still uphold our culture and morals.

But I can't deny that today a younger generation is starting to emerge who prefer to adopt a culture from outside that talks about human rights and all freedoms in life. yet it is still in the minority here.

I really appreciate the responses from all my friends who are not from Indonesia who of course feel strange and may not agree with the new law in our country. But don't worry because this law is for our country and we can accept it well. because this law is in accordance with the culture that we protect and also in accordance with the religion that we profess.

and don't worry if you want to visit as a tourist. because we, Indonesia, are always friendly to tourists and have a high sense of tolerance.

notes; Chastity here is not about the hymen. because the hymen can even be lost due to extreme sports and accidents. but it's a matter of keeping from having sex before marriage.

It seems you are not comfortable with this topic because your reactions show that you are not pleased with the news. I am sorry for starting this discussion that seems to touch on the culture and tradition of your people.
But I was only trying to unveil the economic consequences of this law. Please accept my apology.

It is also very interesting to know that your culture promotes chastity which helps to discourage sex before marriage. My tribe also has respect for the same values. But my only reservation is why is it that these cultural practices are sometimes targeted at the women or female sex. Why would females be seen as outcastes because they had sex, while the men that had sex with them are seen as superheroes? As much as the men wants to marry virgins, the women also should enjoy the benefits of also marrying male virgins too. My culture also treats women as second-class humans due to some cultural practices and I am not in support of it.

Please, sir, I respect your tradition and have nothing against it but we are just sharing knowledge.

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I think this law is not easy to enforce, because power and money are difficult to manage, and some laws only control ordinary people, like the rich people nowadays, who are not afraid of the law and can bribe many people by means.
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a woman needs to be kept pure.

for what reason?
a. to be "tight" to allow the males nubby to feel the inner lining of her genitals? (seems one sided and selfish)
b. STD prevention?
c. have no other experience to compare so think that bad sex is normal and just put up with a guy that cant do it right?

explain why you think a woman needs to limit her life experiences for the gratification of a man

(im male but i can see the gender equality/inequality of the issues)
Ah, I understand that those who are not Indonesians will definitely not understand too much about this one thing (the chastity of women is highly guarded in our culture).
there seems to be a very different culture and thinking here.
and it's normal if you don't understand what @naira means.

The chastity of women (virgin) is very important in Indonesia (for the majority of Indonesians). because it concerns the honor and self-esteem of the women themselves for Indonesian citizens.
even if a woman in a village has lost her virginity as a result of having sex outside of marriage and her family finds out about it. then the woman will be considered a disgrace to her family. even the honor of the family and the woman will fall. Even everyone around him will start to disrespect him. and think the woman is a cheap/despicable woman.
in a worse case, there will be many playboy men who will start flirting with the woman. in fact I don't think the majority of men in my area would want to marry a woman who was no longer a virgin. unless the woman is indeed a widow or a woman whose husband has divorced her. because in my area everyone thinks that if a woman cannot maintain her virginity before marriage then that woman is truly untrustworthy and despicable. in our culture, the chastity of women can only be obtained by a man who has married the woman.

because we really respect women. we can't just randomly have sex with women we like who we haven't married yet. even if we like each other. We men must first show our seriousness in caring for and loving these women through a bond and sacred agreement called marriage.
it's new from a man's point of view.

and I once witnessed how a woman here went crazy (disturbed/had madness) just because a man had taken her chastity and didn't want to be responsible (didn't marry her). he became stressed and fell into a deep depression until he finally went crazy.
So that good Indonesian women will always maintain their honor/chastity/virginity until they finally get married.
that is the moral that has existed in our culture since ancient times. coupled with the presence of the Islamic religion in the archipelago, our culture is very compatible with the Islamic religion which also matches the teachings of our ancestors so that Islam is very easily accepted by our ancestors and Islam has become my religion and the majority of our religion.

so that even without laws made by the government. then we Indonesian citizens who still uphold the culture and morals that have been taught long ago will definitely apply the same rules as contained in the law that was just passed.
so that the presence of this new law is actually very welcomed by us Indonesian citizens who still uphold our culture and morals.

But I can't deny that today a younger generation is starting to emerge who prefer to adopt a culture from outside that talks about human rights and all freedoms in life. yet it is still in the minority here.

I really appreciate the responses from all my friends who are not from Indonesia who of course feel strange and may not agree with the new law in our country. But don't worry because this law is for our country and we can accept it well. because this law is in accordance with the culture that we protect and also in accordance with the religion that we profess.

and don't worry if you want to visit as a tourist. because we, Indonesia, are always friendly to tourists and have a high sense of tolerance.

notes ; Chastity here is not about the hymen. because the hymen can even be lost due to extreme sports and accidents. but it's a matter of keeping from having sex before marriage.
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Indonesia's legislative arm has passed a new law that criminalizes sex before or outside marriage. People convicted of extramarital sex could face as much as one year in prison.
This law would also affect foreigners and tourists that came to visit the country. Some citizens of the country are protesting against this law. While others are seeing it as a welcome development.
The law is aimed at Indonesian citizens and not foreigners or tourists visiting Indonesia. Moreover, foreigners or tourists who visit Indonesia are not to have free sex or the like because they can do this in their own country. But they are visiting Indonesia for other things such as business or the like and they must also know that in Indonesia it is not permissible to have sex in public even though they are married. So the law does not burden foreigners or tourists who enter Indonesia because they only protect themselves from having sex in public.

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Business owners in the country are lamenting that this law can discourage tourists from visiting the country which would affect their businesses negatively. I am also perceiving that this policy might also scare investors from investing in Indonesia. But some religious business owners are of the view that this policy would attract business to the country from other religious or conservative nations or investors.
It's precisely strange for me if they are afraid to visit Indonesia just because there is a law about it. Because I don't think that those who visit Indonesia are just to have free sex, but they are going to Indonesia to see business and investment opportunities that can be very promising and have nothing to do with sex or anything like that. So there is no need to be afraid of this very simple law.

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tin foil hat narrative i can see happening
people claim that women should not sit in cars with men unless married. and should not visit men in cafe's, as the future tin foil had fear..

however
this law was originally designed to stop child sex trafficking and prostitution.
(the big problem of indonesia)

however the religious groups have took it to extremes of making adult consensual sex illegal outside the marriage. (unhappy in your marriage due to cheating, report your spouse to the police)

I have read the law that has been stipulated, but the rules are not strict unless the woman is not happy and reports what the man has done to the police. what you are saying is right, the new law that was enacted also seeks to protect child from child sex trafficking but also to make women more respectable because there are still many cases of sexual harassment that harm women but greatly benefit men.

Its their country and their policy doesn't seem to be harming anyone unless they are violating it but how they are going to implement it? I don't know they have enough infrastructure to monitor all the things happening in their country especially some Islands are famous for foreign visitors so this will wnd up in more corruption and nothing else.

corruption will always exist even in developed countries, what I'm worried about until now is that the law in our country (Indonesia) can still be controlled by rich people, even if the man has been proven guilty, if he has money then the punishment he will receive is very light.
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It's more like an exotic thing. Like when you go to a zoo to see a chimps throw poop at each other.

The whole world doesn't need a government to enter people's bedrooms to check if the dick is in a man's pants, in his hand, or in a woman's vagina, and if it happens to be this third case both of them have to show their IDs so that the government can know if they are to be punished or not.

Stop! You're having sex with a woman that is not your wife! Take him to jail!
But it's my ex wife!
Ex wives don't count it has to be your current wife!
It's now my brother's wife and he agreed!
Cheesy

I'm not going to Indonesia that's for sure.
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lets translate

lets use "taxes"
imagine a culture that demanded 30% tax from everyone no matter if resident or tourist

many outsiders would not respect such tax regime automatically. and would question it.
locals would just abide by it because they are used to it and accept its the rule

but just having a local saying "abide by our laws because its our law so respect it, dont question it" does not stop the questions.

however if the locals said
20% went to healthcare so if tourist got hurt they can be treated for no billable expense

5% goes to environment protection where it means clean drinking water, good quality alcohol, disease free food and the beaches with clean sand and clear oceans
 and 5% for subsiding low income earners. meaning that their hotel rooms are maintained and cleaned cheap meaning that room costs are low..

then tourists see the economic benefits and learn to respect the tax regime

however just shouting "because its our law" does not earn respect
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Those kind of laws are very difficult to enforce, however in countries were similar laws are in place if for example you want to stay at a hotel with a person of the opposite sex you will need to stay in different rooms, so this could raise the costs for couples which are not married or for friends, which could indeed reduce tourism, however it would be interesting to see what has been the effect in other countries which have passed similar laws before.
Actually this is not too difficult to uphold in my opinion, especially when talking about Indonesia where most of the population has the same belief and of course the majority of Indonesian citizens have a religion which clearly prohibits this. I don't think this is difficult.
As for the actual impact, it doesn't really affect me in my opinion because it depends on the intentions of the tourists whether they are only visiting for sex or indeed for other business purposes because when they say business and sex are two different things. We live where we have rules and when we are in this case we cannot rule out rules that are prohibited either by law or religion unless you really don't have both in you.
The law could be created to suppress sexual tourism, but it's not the case. They are criminalizing every sexual activity outside marriage, what is a clear violation of individual rights.

Let's say a couple visits your country, but they aren't married. So can't they have sex while there? Will they be punished accordingly to your local laws?

And let's say a foreigner visits your country, fall in love for a local woman (no prostitution) and they want to have sex. Should this person go to jail for commiting the crime of loving someone?

That is insane! I wouldn't go to a territory with such tyranical laws. It must affect tourism, indeed.
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however the religious groups have took it to extremes of making adult consensual sex illegal outside the marriage. (unhappy in your marriage due to cheating, report your spouse to the police)
I think you don't really know about Indonesia, where from the start sex outside of marriage was also prohibited here, but it didn't reach the prohibition in the legislation and now that it has been legalized, it means that the prohibition will be even bigger.


When tourists don't want to come because in Indonesia they can't have sex, then it's a mistake in their thinking that they only think about sex in their brains, not religion and culture in Indonesia.

i do understand other culture and religions. but i enjoy researching the histories. far back thousands of years the WHY their religion began. the WHY certain laws and beliefs become ..

saying abide by a law or beleive in a religion "just because" is a way that a culture never evolves or grows or progresses. or gets respect

laws and religions should be progressive and meet the needs of the people within. current alive.

certain rules that applied a thousand years ago had a purpose that is different than today

some cultures origins were about when the men went away to battle or trade in other regions. by having the rule ensured the guy came back home to the wife instead of starting a new family elsewhere.

some cultures it was about reducing prostitution exploitation and spread of disease locally

others was the sanctity of keeping a family together to support a child economically and welfare. so that the child can prosper

others were that it was population growth control. instead of a man sowing his seed with a dozen women producing 1 child per port. meaning 12 kids per man. became a population accelorator. where as keeping it between married couples made it a 2 parent 2 child population control

just having a blanket law without knowing the reason just doesnt show a reason to have respect for the rule

knowing the WHY does matter. more so then "just follow a law because its law"
if the law does not satisfy its purpose anymore, then make a different law that does.

Christianity modernised.  because it realised certain things deemed as sins were no longer solving a problem that existed 1000 years ago. because modern age solved it with modern things like moral understanding of consent. contraception and medication

for those who want everyone to abide by a law have to first understand their own law before they expect others to follow it.

no one will understand your culture if you cannot tell them first the origins of your culture and the purpose of the different rule

to have someone respect a culture. is about understanding what needs to be respected
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Those kind of laws are very difficult to enforce, however in countries were similar laws are in place if for example you want to stay at a hotel with a person of the opposite sex you will need to stay in different rooms, so this could raise the costs for couples which are not married or for friends, which could indeed reduce tourism, however it would be interesting to see what has been the effect in other countries which have passed similar laws before.
Actually this is not too difficult to uphold in my opinion, especially when talking about Indonesia where most of the population has the same belief and of course the majority of Indonesian citizens have a religion which clearly prohibits this. I don't think this is difficult.
As for the actual impact, it doesn't really affect me in my opinion because it depends on the intentions of the tourists whether they are only visiting for sex or indeed for other business purposes because when they say business and sex are two different things. We live where we have rules and when we are in this case we cannot rule out rules that are prohibited either by law or religion unless you really don't have both in you.
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Indonesia's legislative arm has passed a new law that criminalizes sex before or outside marriage. People convicted of extramarital sex could face as much as one year in prison.
This law would also affect foreigners and tourists that came to visit the country. Some citizens of the country are protesting against this law. While others are seeing it as a welcome development.

Business owners in the country are lamenting that this law can discourage tourists from visiting the country which would affect their businesses negatively. I am also perceiving that this policy might also scare investors from investing in Indonesia. But some religious business owners are of the view that this policy would attract business to the country from other religious or conservative nations or investors.

What are your thoughts?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-63869078

I predict it will have zero effect on businesses because everything that was happening before will continue to happen, it will just end up in more of a black market for it. It's a very dumb law that is clearly made by politicians who want to pander to some religious leaders and are probably trying to "buy" votes for the next election, since they've done nothing to help the economy or get more jobs going. Ultimately if people are going to do these things, they'll just rent a hotel room and do it low key. Thinking about it a bit more, it could certainly kill off whatever remnants of a tourist trade they might have going because people who are not married might never want to visit such a place for fear of legal punishment.
Everywhere it is politics that is getting mixed with religion. This too a kind of terrorism. It should not be done, and the politicians try to make votes out of each and everything. Indonesia being a Muslim majority nation, there won't be big opposition. As mentioned, everything will happen same as the past. We can see some complaints arising to end up revenge. A big drop in the tourism will happen from the person who travel single. Maybe as predicted this rule can encourage religious people visiting Indonesia in large numbers.
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I personally don't think this is bad for any business because when we say business it doesn't mean we have to have sex freely without strings attached. It's funny when sex is banned, tourists will be reluctant to visit Indonesia. Is it true that businessmen and tourists who enter only focus on sex life? I, as an Indonesian citizen, regret that the stigma is like that because it seems as if Indonesia is an object where there is only sex, even though we can see other things such as culture and lots of beautiful scenery here.

however the religious groups have took it to extremes of making adult consensual sex illegal outside the marriage. (unhappy in your marriage due to cheating, report your spouse to the police)
I think you don't really know about Indonesia, where from the start sex outside of marriage was also prohibited here, but it didn't reach the prohibition in the legislation and now that it has been legalized, it means that the prohibition will be even bigger.
When saying a religion, I will probably quote Qatar's rules in this case where when the world cup took place, beer and all forms of LGBT attributes were banned around the pitch to respect Muslims. Many people are against it, but when we are in an area of power that requires it, what can you do? Are you going to oppose it for reasons that don't make sense because it discriminates against something? of course this makes sense because those are the rules that they have always upheld from the start and until now Qatar still upholds these rules.
Likewise in Indonesia, with a large Muslim majority there, of course this would be very contrary to their beliefs and in fact not only Muslims but other religions would definitely oppose something like this even though it was only a small group.
When tourists don't want to come because in Indonesia they can't have sex, then it's a mistake in their thinking that they only think about sex in their brains, not religion and culture in Indonesia.
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Indonesia's legislative arm has passed a new law that criminalizes sex before or outside marriage. People convicted of extramarital sex could face as much as one year in prison.
This law would also affect foreigners and tourists that came to visit the country. Some citizens of the country are protesting against this law. While others are seeing it as a welcome development.

Business owners in the country are lamenting that this law can discourage tourists from visiting the country which would affect their businesses negatively. I am also perceiving that this policy might also scare investors from investing in Indonesia. But some religious business owners are of the view that this policy would attract business to the country from other religious or conservative nations or investors.

What are your thoughts?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-63869078

I predict it will have zero effect on businesses because everything that was happening before will continue to happen, it will just end up in more of a black market for it. It's a very dumb law that is clearly made by politicians who want to pander to some religious leaders and are probably trying to "buy" votes for the next election, since they've done nothing to help the economy or get more jobs going. Ultimately if people are going to do these things, they'll just rent a hotel room and do it low key. Thinking about it a bit more, it could certainly kill off whatever remnants of a tourist trade they might have going because people who are not married might never want to visit such a place for fear of legal punishment.
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tourism is only 6% of indonesia's GDP

half of that is families in a marriage. so the max extent is about 3% irritation of any possible rule that separates a unmarried couple from staying in the same room

that said some unmarried couples may want their separate rooms. and then sneak into one room when feeling randy.. and unless their a a bell boy sitting in the room watching. its not something that will cause disruption. thus less than a 3% impact.

many hotels can actually earn more by selling 2x single bed rooms rather then 1x double bed

so again les than a 3% impact..

that said..
when it comes to the rules/laws/religions.. the bigger question still remains WHY are there these old rules that do not fit the modern lifestyle
a woman needs to be kept pure.

for what reason?
a. to be "tight" to allow the males nubby to feel the inner lining of her genitals? (seems one sided and selfish)
b. STD prevention?
c. have no other experience to compare so think that bad sex is normal and just put up with a guy that cant do it right?

explain why
Sorry, as a Muslim, I think it's an obligation that women need to be kept chaste before marriage. And sorry, maybe we don't share the same beliefs, so it's only natural for you to say so.

its not about trying to break you from your beliefs. its about. WHY
have you asked yourself WHY she has to remain chaste.
not "because its the rule" . but the real anatomical physical reason.

what do you benefit from, from what the woman loses by the rule.

WHY do you think its good.
and please dont just say "its my belief" or "its the rule"

does the rule fit any real problem that actually does solve something that is needed to be solved
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a woman needs to be kept pure.

for what reason?
a. to be "tight" to allow the males nubby to feel the inner lining of her genitals? (seems one sided and selfish)
b. STD prevention?
c. have no other experience to compare so think that bad sex is normal and just put up with a guy that cant do it right?

explain why you think a woman needs to limit her life experiences for the gratification of a man

(im male but i can see the gender equality/inequality of the issues)
Sorry, as a Muslim, I think it's an obligation that women need to be kept chaste before marriage. And sorry, maybe we don't share the same beliefs, so it's only natural for you to say so. It doesn't matter, but the context needs to be scrutinized friends, we focus on the context of one country, and what we talk about needs to refer to the rules of that country. Not compared to foreign countries that already have different rules from this point of view.


Can we get back on track as per the OP's topic? if the OP didn't mention a specific country, then you're free to speak broadly about such and such a policy.
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a woman needs to be kept pure.

for what reason?
a. to be "tight" to allow the males nubby to feel the inner lining of her genitals? (seems one sided and selfish)
b. STD prevention?
c. have no other experience to compare so think that bad sex is normal and just put up with a guy that cant do it right?

explain why you think a woman needs to limit her life experiences for the gratification of a man

(im male but i can see the gender equality/inequality of the issues)
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If those of you who talk about this are Indonesians. So I think you will know that actually Indonesia has long banned adultery or having sex outside of marriage. even in the source you linked it was also explained that the law regarding sex outside of marriage had existed before but was not enforced. and the new law has only been slightly modified or clarified, namely to prohibit sex outside of marriage in its entirety.
while the old law only prohibited sex outside of marriage with non-married couples themselves. like the prohibition of the husband having sex with women other than his wife.
Having sex is a natural human interaction. People meet, start dating, have sex, get married - this is how it's done everywhere.
Unfortunately, Op is discussing a certain country, maybe where you live the stages are like that but in our country, we get married first and then have sex. So in our country, not everything is generalized like that and cannot be equated with the stages you mentioned. I think everything is clear, I appreciate your concept! For us, a woman needs to be kept pure.
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we all understand that. but instead of just saying "them the rules" or more preciously " Indonesia is a majority Islamic country and that is their rule." do you ever question the reason and the need of the rule. what does it protect or prevent. and are those rules still fit for purpose. or have those original rules been extremitised outside their origin purpose where by it now affects many things outside of their base purpose

i can understand sex before marriage can be troublesome for the young that are not ready for a sexual life.

i can understand that cheating breaks up a marriage

but when 2 adults of mentally ready age, fall inlove. having to get them to be married before they can find out if they can 'fit' together. enforces unwanted marriages. where your stuck with someone that does not satisfy you

Isn't it better to prevent than nothing? I know that everything is run according to the principles of a country. But if the rules only focus on the economic sector without paying attention to other sectors, what is the main basis? Indonesia has other economic resources, but that doesn't mean we don't appreciate foreign tourists who come with their culture. Visiting Bali, all tourists are greeted with what they are accustomed to, but not in all parts of Indonesia.

"better than nothing?"
no one said remove all laws because it doesnt fit the other cultures that want to visit.. its not about remove all laws to get tourists to come.. its about tailoring laws to the current modern lifestyles and need of a population foreign and domestic, due to laws actually making sense

EG if the main premiss of no sex outside of a wedding was for 2 things
reduce prostitution/child sex trafficking. instead of a broad rule that stops any sex unless its inside of wedlock. set rules for prostitution and child abuse. that way it still meets the goal without limiting other lifestyle things that people do want to experience.

imagine it this way.. imagine your a woman. you meet a guy you have a crush, you flirt you kiss but dont do anything sexual until wedding day. that night you find out he as a little nubby that does nothing for you sexually. or he has a massive wang that hurts every time.. and now your stuck for the next 60 years with a guy that cant satisfy you. so you end up cheating anyway..
same goes for the guy would he want to stay loyal to a woman that says "nope" each night for 60 years or it only happens if he pushes her thus it doesnt feel intimate and instead feels like a chore

did the law really solve anything? nope.
adding laws to force a woman to satisfy a guy. is then not a good law to add to the unsatisfied husbands situation

instead have laws that meet the needs. stopping child exploitation and prostitution and STD spreading. but allow consenting adults to explore and find their soulmate that fits and satisfies them to then marry and be happy for 60 years to not need to cheat on or catch STD via other partners.

its not about a rule for sake of rule. or a outlaw if rule doesnt fit.. its about the right rules for the right reasons
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If those of you who talk about this are Indonesians. So I think you will know that actually Indonesia has long banned adultery or having sex outside of marriage. even in the source you linked it was also explained that the law regarding sex outside of marriage had existed before but was not enforced. and the new law has only been slightly modified or clarified, namely to prohibit sex outside of marriage in its entirety.
while the old law only prohibited sex outside of marriage with non-married couples themselves. like the prohibition of the husband having sex with women other than his wife.

The reason why people ignored the law is because it was stupid. It has been long debated whether we should obey laws that are outright stupid or oppressive.
Let's say that someone decides you no longer can use a mobile phone, or that you are not allowed to drink alcohol, even at home. I feel like there's a huge difference between not allowing married people to have sex outside marriage and not allowing any unmarried couple to do it. Having sex is a natural human interaction. People meet, start dating, have sex, get married - this is how it's done everywhere.
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Its their country and their policy doesn't seem to be harming anyone unless they are violating it but how they are going to implement it? I don't know they have enough infrastructure to monitor all the things happening in their country especially some Islands are famous for foreign visitors so this will wnd up in more corruption and nothing else.
For sure there would really be those under the table kind or type of transactions but totally this isnt something that could really be monitored out on 100% precision as these things do happen in private and there's no

way that they could be having those camera and staffs or agent everywhere to monitor out on each citizens activity or something like connected on sex.As for business talks then it would really be mainly be affecting

those who are really that in connected with sexual aspect.Just like the rest been saying that its their country then its their law to be imposed and its citizens doesnt really have that choice
but to follow on whats mandated and on whats been prohibited.
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we all understand that. but instead of just saying "them the rules" or more preciously " Indonesia is a majority Islamic country and that is their rule." do you ever question the reason and the need of the rule. what does it protect or prevent. and are those rules still fit for purpose. or have those original rules been extremitised outside their origin purpose where by it now affects many things outside of their base purpose

i can understand sex before marriage can be troublesome for the young that are not ready for a sexual life.

i can understand that cheating breaks up a marriage

but when 2 adults of mentally ready age, fall inlove. having to get them to be married before they can find out if they can 'fit' together. enforces unwanted marriages. where your stuck with someone that does not satisfy you

Isn't it better to prevent than nothing? I know that everything is run according to the principles of a country. But if the rules only focus on the economic sector without paying attention to other sectors, what is the main basis? Indonesia has other economic resources, but that doesn't mean we don't appreciate foreign tourists who come with their culture. Visiting Bali, all tourists are greeted with what they are accustomed to, but not in all parts of Indonesia.

This is the difference that we need to appreciate, you might generalize that compatibility can only be felt and proven by having sex. Oh, is it that simple to get married? Marriage is not just to satisfy desire alone, marriage is much bigger in purpose. Perfecting each other, accepting born and inner all of each other's shortcomings. Talking about satisfaction? can be searched for and worked on together, that is the beauty of marriage, doesn't it mean that when you don't have sex with your wife, you have to have an affair?
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In all beliefs sex outside marriage is not allowed Christianity, Buddhism, and Catholicism. Even if you read the Old Testament. Moreover, Indonesia is a majority Islamic country and that is their rule.

we all understand that. but instead of just saying "them the rules" or more preciously " Indonesia is a majority Islamic country and that is their rule." do you ever question the reason and the need of the rule. what does it protect or prevent. and are those rules still fit for purpose. or have those original rules been extremitised outside their origin purpose where by it now affects many things outside of their base purpose

i can understand sex before marriage can be troublesome for the young that are not ready for a sexual life.

i can understand that cheating breaks up a marriage

but when 2 adults of mentally ready age, fall inlove. having to get them to be married before they can find out if they can 'fit' together. enforces unwanted marriages. where your stuck with someone that does not satisfy you
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Indonesia's legislative arm has passed a new law that criminalizes sex before or outside marriage. People convicted of extramarital sex could face as much as one year in prison.
This law would also affect foreigners and tourists that came to visit the country. Some citizens of the country are protesting against this law. While others are seeing it as a welcome development.

Business owners in the country are lamenting that this law can discourage tourists from visiting the country which would affect their businesses negatively. I am also perceiving that this policy might also scare investors from investing in Indonesia. But some religious business owners are of the view that this policy would attract business to the country from other religious or conservative nations or investors.

What are your thoughts?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-63869078
What's the problem for you, our country is indeed a country that has the right to anything and any policies in order to maintain its own sovereignty. I think you are consuming too much news from one side and one source for referrals. Funny

If you are Indonesian, you see that a strong country is a country that establishes its own rules, not subject to being dictated by western countries. After all, if you know Bali, then the rules for foreigners are relaxed as a form of respecting their customs. Don't pretend that one generalized rule is bad.

In all beliefs sex outside marriage is not allowed Christianity, Buddhism, and Catholicism. Even if you read the Old Testament. Moreover, Indonesia is a majority Islamic country and that is their rule.
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when it comes to law and religion.. i never just look at it as a rule to just abide by because law/religion. i like to research the origins of the reasons

EG christianity banned gays because of STD's in the roman era of thousands of years ago
religion relaxed that when contraception and medication became a solution

sex before marraige was about child abuse.
sex outside of marriage was about prostitution and splitting the family up in the aftermath of the spouse finding out.

knowing the WHY's aid in what the reason for rules should exist. and if there why's are not fitting the modern abilities of today the rules should not apply

EG making prostitution and underage sex illegal means that it free's up the need to outlaw "sex outside of marriage" so that people can have sex with someone they like. to then marry them. rather then the other way round. marrying them to then find out they are crap in bed and you want a diverse
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That surely will affect the tourism of that country. Most people know that when foreigners arrived in their country, it's more than the tourism that they need.
And, when such laws have been passed it'll be a basis for tourists to avoid Indonesia because they don't want to get in jail or face some problems just because of it.
That's why if there are businesses protesting on this law, it is because they know that they'll be affected by it.
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The law is very unexpected, given the real life and the 21st century we live in. Since it is going to affect not only the citizens but also foreigners, I think it will have adverse economic effects because I am not sure foreigners would want to live in a country or even visit a country where they can be imprisoned for living together and having sex without marriage. Harsh legislation can also play a negative role when it comes to foreign investments, as it signifies an unstable political climate (if they can imprison people for sex, what's going to be banned next?). Outside Indonesia, though, I don't think we'll feel the economic impact of this decision.
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I don't think it will have a significant impact on the Indonesian economy in connection with the passage of this law, especially regarding investors, in my opinion, it is just a trick for those who have businesses like that, and if such entrepreneurs want to continue operating they can do it in secret.
I think the Indonesian government is now playing it safe from sentiment with the people there.
Talking about investment, Indonesia has received sizable investment funds from big countries for the advancement of its industry at the G20 Summit last November in Bali and I see that Indonesia prioritizes the use of existing natural resources and even stops exporting abroad for domestic production. Naturally, if Indonesia no longer pays attention to such industries.
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Indonesia's legislative arm has passed a new law that criminalizes sex before or outside marriage. People convicted of extramarital sex could face as much as one year in prison.
This law would also affect foreigners and tourists that came to visit the country. Some citizens of the country are protesting against this law. While others are seeing it as a welcome development.
This is one of the most foolish decisions ever. This will expose the largest profitable sector in the economy (tourism) to a decline to record levels. Of course, do not believe that this law will prevent people from having sex outside marriage, because this is human nature that cannot be restricted by customary provisions.
The most logical explanation for issuing such a decision is that Indonesia will receive support from one of the major Islamic countries, such as Saudi Arabia or Qatar, and it needed to prove that it is a real Muslim country, since Indonesia is the country with the largest number of Muslims around the world.
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Indonesia's legislative arm has passed a new law that criminalizes sex before or outside marriage. People convicted of extramarital sex could face as much as one year in prison.
This law would also affect foreigners and tourists that came to visit the country. Some citizens of the country are protesting against this law. While others are seeing it as a welcome development.

Business owners in the country are lamenting that this law can discourage tourists from visiting the country which would affect their businesses negatively. I am also perceiving that this policy might also scare investors from investing in Indonesia. But some religious business owners are of the view that this policy would attract business to the country from other religious or conservative nations or investors.

What are your thoughts?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-63869078

Yeah it will affect some part of their business that is somewhat connected to tourism because the tourists coming from other countries don't have such laws  and they are use to socialising in such ways. In this case, they don't have much choice than to adapt to the new laws if the government is not ready to make any form of amendment.
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Its their country and their policy doesn't seem to be harming anyone unless they are violating it but how they are going to implement it? I don't know they have enough infrastructure to monitor all the things happening in their country especially some Islands are famous for foreign visitors so this will wnd up in more corruption and nothing else.
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If those of you who talk about this are Indonesians. So I think you will know that actually Indonesia has long banned adultery or having sex outside of marriage. even in the source you linked it was also explained that the law regarding sex outside of marriage had existed before but was not enforced. and the new law has only been slightly modified or clarified, namely to prohibit sex outside of marriage in its entirety.
while the old law only prohibited sex outside of marriage with non-married couples themselves. like the prohibition of the husband having sex with women other than his wife.

So this problem does not need to be exaggerated. because actually this thing has been around for a long time.
And remember that in Indonesia only accept citizens who are religious. so that Atheists are not allowed in Indonesia based on the 1st PANCASILA, namely Belief in One Almighty God. So that Indonesian citizens are required to have a religion. while in all religions it is said that sex outside of marriage is prohibited. So the law prohibiting sex outside of marriage is actually in line with Pancasila No. 1. although humans have their own rights. But if he has Religion. then he is also obliged to comply with the rules of the religion he adheres to.

And once again that this law is nothing new. because almost the same law has existed in Indonesia since the beginning of Indonesia's independence.
And as we can see, Indonesia's Economic Sector will be fine.

And because Indonesia's majority population is Muslim, this law will actually be welcomed by its citizens. and in fact many countries already have the same laws regarding the prohibition of sex outside of marriage as in Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Sudan, Philippines, Egypt, Malaysia. And many more and All is well. sourch : Link

And when talking about business. Maybe some businesses will be affected by this law. But only part of the business. And because this Law is not entirely new. so actually businesses in Indonesia are used to this. Actually, the punishment for sex outside of marriage in Indonesia is quite light when compared to Arab countries like Qatar, where the applicable sentence is 7 years in prison. Sourch : google
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tin foil hat narrative i can see happening
people claim that women should not sit in cars with men unless married. and should not visit men in cafe's, as the future tin foil had fear..

however
this law was originally designed to stop child sex trafficking and prostitution.
(the big problem of indonesia)

however the religious groups have took it to extremes of making adult consensual sex illegal outside the marriage. (unhappy in your marriage due to cheating, report your spouse to the police)

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Indonesia's legislative arm has passed a new law that criminalizes sex before or outside marriage. People convicted of extramarital sex could face as much as one year in prison.
This law would also affect foreigners and tourists that came to visit the country. Some citizens of the country are protesting against this law. While others are seeing it as a welcome development.

Business owners in the country are lamenting that this law can discourage tourists from visiting the country which would affect their businesses negatively. I am also perceiving that this policy might also scare investors from investing in Indonesia. But some religious business owners are of the view that this policy would attract business to the country from other religious or conservative nations or investors.

What are your thoughts?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-63869078
Those kind of laws are very difficult to enforce, however in countries were similar laws are in place if for example you want to stay at a hotel with a person of the opposite sex you will need to stay in different rooms, so this could raise the costs for couples which are not married or for friends, which could indeed reduce tourism, however it would be interesting to see what has been the effect in other countries which have passed similar laws before.
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Indonesia's legislative arm has passed a new law that criminalizes sex before or outside marriage. People convicted of extramarital sex could face as much as one year in prison.
This law would also affect foreigners and tourists that came to visit the country. Some citizens of the country are protesting against this law. While others are seeing it as a welcome development.

Business owners in the country are lamenting that this law can discourage tourists from visiting the country which would affect their businesses negatively. I am also perceiving that this policy might also scare investors from investing in Indonesia. But some religious business owners are of the view that this policy would attract business to the country from other religious or conservative nations or investors.

What are your thoughts?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-63869078
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