Topic: Will mods/admins approve of this? (Read 381 times)

I'm not interested in bounty spammers spamming "social media" with tokens meant to scam people. The entire concept is a massive money grabber and "connecting" those accounts will just mean they create new ones.

In theory this sounds good and it could reduce number of cheating that is happening with social media bounty campaigns, but it would only slow them down (not saying that's a a bad thing).
They can always easily create new twitter account and start fresh with new ID number, same thing for all other social media accounts, except maybe Facebook that is harder to create new accounts.
I know that same thing could be done for Discord with ID numbers, but most people don't even know to find this ID numbers, so they would need to learn this.
Mods don't really care about this, but you could propose this to all bounty managers.

As others already have written , its a good way to find Accounts that try to cheat on Bountys and evading bans.

This trick with the changed Username but the same User ID  is nothing new , you have this on Discord also and that already for years.
You can change your Username different in every Server Channel you are to a different Username and Avatar.
If you have the advanced options activated you can see every User ID and it will be the always the same.

If you making a Thread for that what you have written , and you have enough and clear evidence for Accounts it will be a good thing.
Means a lot of work for you or Users that are hunting and reporting this cases.

That's some interesting idea @OP, given the fact that it might work for a quite until they come up with some strategy to replace it. Scam projects have been a menace to the forum and crypto space and the activities of hunters have been some elevating step. Some of the issue to this is how easy it is to crete an account on the forum and the proxy evil fee haven't been doing enough given the fact that, vpn could be used for a by pass but, that could hamper legit new users too and not many would be aware steps to getting white listed.

Although, its going to be a lot of work tracing those IDs to thee previous user and that's going to be one suspicious mind to have the hunch of a ban evading possibility.

I think this idea is worth taking. As it would narrow the scam going on there to those with enough money to fund there schemes and kick out those without funds but feel the need to have people spread the word for a useless token.

Twitter audit score can be helpful too because I strongly believe that bounty hunters will have their farms follow back and forth.

https://twitteraudit.com/

Anyway, I also believe bounty managers might not care about it. Basically, bounty hunters are lazy and what they join and work with social media accounts (Twitter, Facebook and so on) are simply zero- or very low-quality. They simply copy and paste their own works repeatedly or worse, plagiarize works of others.

We should consider the initial idea and reason why projects decide to run bounties that are useless. But project teams don't lose anything, they run bounties and pay with tokens that are minted by their teams from the air. By that, they don't have to care about work quality of bounty hunters. If companies don't care, why bounty managers should care about that.

I agree that if we want to keep the forum clean from bounties, let's consider some potential solutions.

• Disable that board.
• Another suggestion (years ago) is: force altcoin projects to pay their bounties with Bitcoin, to reduce their scam intensity and require them to consider more about work quality of bounty hunters.

Interesting technique. I am curious, is it possible to find out what someone's social media UID is without using a third-party service such as that findidfb website that you mentioned? Facebook and Twitter doesn't give people the option to find that?

Seems like quite a complicated process for several reasons:

1. The admins aren't going to make posting your social media UID when you apply for such campaigns mandatory.
2. Most bounty managers aren't going to do it either. Nor do they care abut stuff like that when the goal is just the quantity of posts/tweets.
 
So those hunting for ban evaders will have to do all this manually when they have a suspicion. Alternatively, maybe guys like LoyceV or DdmrDdmr can automate the process somehow and find a way to query that site for UIDs, connect the numbers with known social media account names and Bitcointalk accounts, and then dump all that data somewhere.

Certainly, Twitter ID is the best solution for monitoring the activity of an account on Twitter. but trading twitter accounts are much more common than trading forum accounts, and a suspicious user can always refer to the fact that he bought a TW account and does not know its previous history. and you can't blame anyone for that.

your proposal makes sense but requires a lot of extra work and I think it is not sustainable. I would say that the managers should take responsibility for that, (mainly those who run shit token campaigns) because they are the ones who accept the low-level quality of participants. it would be in their interest to filter the participants, but they don't seem to care much about the quality of the campaign. with rare exceptions.

Making a separate list for this and then asking bounty managers to check manually each time is like asking people to use own brain to calculate large sums even while having a calculator. All this should be automated but the issue with this is that who will bear the expense. I do not think any bounty manager will be in position to get some python bot coded for this. If someone is ready to code this as goodwill, then it is different thing.

Yes, it cam be a good idea to find the people who is evading bans and abusing social media bounties but I am not sure how much people applied to the bounty campaigns and currently receiving the stakes? Few hundred thousands so finding all those numbers and compiling into a thread or software is almost not possible so what can be the better idea is to ask opinion about adding their UID numbers of social media accounts while posting the Proof of authentication post so atleast in future bounty hunters will have lesser time to trace and link the accounts.

Actually, this is intriguing. This is something that I have heard of before and have even tried, and it worked out just as you said. I never considered it being utilized to catch forum ban evaders. I have a strong suspicion that many people have utilized this technique to link their just opened account to their former social media account, which was previously linked to a banned account. Except when they are purchased, building a social media account is difficult and will take time, hence this method is a better option for them. Both buyers and sellers could easily fall for this trap. This is a suggestion that should be considered, and I hope the forum can use it.

It should be one of options only. You can not force people to use social media platforms if they don't want to. You should not require them to do it as a prerequisite to join the Bitcointalk forum.

Managers should make their jobs easier by marking 'Ineligible" for any participants (bounty hunters) who change Twitter or Facebook handles during the campaign time. The rule should be the same like if a participants change avatar and signature during a campaign time.

It is unnecessary for them to check either Twitter UID or Facebook UID.

It's easier for managers to have usernames than to have account number.
OP can have a spreadsheet or can dump data in a thread between code tag. A manager who is interested to check accounts number against a given username they can use the data for their crosscheck.

@Cantsay, forum admin or mods will not spend their time in such waste.

I don't think it's a bad idea but I think it'd be better for bounty managers to ask for account numbers instead of usernames and then the forum's search engine would pick up these alt accounts at a much more reliable rate and without being intensive as intensive on users trying to input this information.as there might be a lot without a bot that could do it. .

This might decrease the number of multiple account users.

But the question there is this good option to take especially many user doesn't like to put their personal facebook handle everywhere? I believe many will decide to hide it due to security reasons so I guess putting that will be debatable.

Some might agree to this suggestion and some may not.

The Twitter UID or Facebook UID can be one of useful factors to prove multiple accounts, cheating and ban evasion.

But you can not only rely on it to accuse anyone and in fact, you need more evidence to make your accusation more convincing. Anyway, you shared interesting tricks to detect potential multiple accounts and cheating by their social media account UID.

We may have come across a tweet Link, but when we click on it, it takes us to an account with a completely different username. This is because the username of that Twitter account has been changed, making it difficult to prove that the account truly belongs to a user who is evading ban..

So I was proposing that after any user is reported for Plagiarism, Ban Evasion, or any other offense that may result in a Ban, the ID number of all the user's social media accounts be reported in a separate thread.
The reason for this is that even if the username of a Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or other social media account is changed, the ID number remains the same, so if a user tries to avoid a ban by changing his/her social media usernames, the ID number in this thread will serve as proof that those accounts are truly connected.

I decided to open a Twitter account just to demonstrate what I mean.

 here's an image before I change the name


here's the link of the tweet before I changed the user: https://twitter.com/cantsaybttalk/status/1584047918712991744?t=5YjgC6GhiYMr7fsDXBKekg&s=19
you can see that when you click on that link it takes you to a Twitter account with another username, like I said earlier that the username has changed.

Now let's see how the twitter id can help link both account together.
Before I changed the username from @cantsaybttalk to @cantsay108 I saved the ID number using https://findidfb.com/find-twitter-id/ (we have other site also.)
image of @cantsaybttalk ID number

and here's an image showing the ID number of the new Username (@cantsay108)


You can still see that after changing the username the ID number still remains the same.
NOTE: Once the username has been changed you can't use the previous username to check for the user ID number.

We could also use a certain format for reporting:
There will also be a Spreadsheet where all of the reported account will be recorded after verifying if they're truly correct so users can easy browse through to check if an ID number already exist.
SPREADSHEET

Example

• Reporting Social Media Account of Banned User•
Bitcointalk username: voa664
Bitcointalk profile link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/voa664-3440975
Link to a post where the social media account was posted (Archived form): Facebook, Twitter, Instagram
Social Media id number:

• Facebook id: 100011486178832
• Twitter id: 1148133176453357568
• Instagram id: 7279328583
• TikTok id: N/A

Images containing social media id:
Twitter id

Facebook Id:

Instagram Id:

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The only question now is whether mods/admin will regard this as proof that both accounts are owned by the same user.
If they agree, I can lock this thread and start a new one where the reporting will take place.
This, I believe, will also benefit the forum in some ways.
What are your thoughts on this? Do you have any suggestions?