will pay 2 BTC for 1 BTC with traces of that pizza on it

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https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/305

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you have a handful of options
- new wallet for new incomming coin to your collection
- wallet for the whole collection but you shall not spend from it & new address for new payment is a must
- keep accepting them as usual, spend them when the time will come

if you're skilled enough (and a collector), you can remove the private key of the address with the valuable coin
and -rescan to update the balance of your account. this is actually the bitcoin, the key to it is everything.
this way you should be safe not to spend it by chance (the client would not have the signing authority over the bitcoins)

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This is why we need clients to have address differentiation.
As it is, the client gives no option for spending specific coins, so if 1BTC is from pizza history and 199 are from other history, it will be difficult to pick the correct one.
Of course merging all 200 to one address could work, but then it gets watered down. . .

Client should give option of which received address BTC to send. . .

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Quote from: genewitch on June 10, 2011, 03:23:26 PM

seven degrees of bacon pizza?

more like ordinary passion for coins. I doubt that people check their coins history and see if they are connected to pizza or first transaction

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seven degrees of bacon pizza?

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Quote from: k on June 09, 2011, 04:01:23 PM

so, I'm guessing block 170 http://blockexplorer.com/b/170 is the first transfer from one address to another?

true. mined coins must mature at least 100 blocks or so, to be spendable. it was not possible to send any coins in the first 100 blocks

Quote from: error on June 08, 2011, 08:27:52 PM

I look at block 170 all the time while I'm writing code to parse the block chain. If I come up with anything I'll let you know.

hal actually is active on the forum, i just might ask him directly. but if you stumble upon the coins, i welcome any info

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Quote from: k on June 09, 2011, 04:01:23 PM

so, I'm guessing block 170 http://blockexplorer.com/b/170 is the first transfer from one address to another?

had a look at some of the previous blocks (but not all 170) and didn't see any transactions.

Yes, block 170 contains the first Bitcoin transaction (other than generation, of course).

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Is this going to turn into the bitcoin equivalent of Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon?

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so, I'm guessing block 170 http://blockexplorer.com/b/170 is the first transfer from one address to another?

had a look at some of the previous blocks (but not all 170) and didn't see any transactions.

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I look at block 170 all the time while I'm writing code to parse the block chain. If I come up with anything I'll let you know.

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solved, issue closed. was great fun and now I have a piece of the legend
thank you all for contribution especially to unfinishe for a nice exchange

btw if you stumble over the coins from satoshi to hal from tx in block 170
please leavme me a message, i might be interested as well

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i wanted to post the adress here but then i might receive unrelated bitcoins if some funny guy would like to spoil the wallet with tasteless coins. pm sent and please reply where i should send you mine. once again thank you very much, a dream comming true

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Quote from: Binford 6100 on June 07, 2011, 06:14:21 AM

edit: if i wanted moar, let's say 50, would you ask for 51 or for 100?
i was lucky with zimbabwe dollar exchange so i have a few bitcoins i can put aside and never use

Well, I only have 3.5 to give, but if you wanted it, I suppose I'd be willing to trade for 4.5.

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Quote from: unfinishe on June 06, 2011, 07:10:55 PM

whenever you're ready

ready I am, offer to exchange 1 : 2 still valid is

was offline yesterday after leaving the office, no new wallet created
the long chain from pizza to me does not disturb me
those coins might not be XF or uncirculated but still very important for me
i might be the first bitnumismatic eva ; )
thanks for the bump, please do not spend them all. i'm setting up a reminder for today

edit: if i wanted moar, let's say 50, would you ask for 51 or for 100?
i was lucky with zimbabwe dollar exchange so i have a few bitcoins i can put aside and never use

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Just to be clear, whenever you're ready, I will send 1 BTC (or however much you want... the prices have been pretty crazy lately) from my account with the T-shirt coins (the ones at the end of that huge chain I posted earlier in the thread), to another one of my addresses (just so I can make sure that the chain looks good), and then I'll send from that address to yours. So, all you'll need to do is add two more transactions to make a grand total of 77 transactions from the legendary pizza to you. Grin

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Quote from: unfinishe on June 06, 2011, 09:17:50 AM

Ok, just tell me what address to send it to.

wow, you really got one?

i'll create a new address for this one transaction to make sure it can be dumped from wallet safely
and stored in my coin collection display
i'm using bitcoin only from home, please allow few more hours for reply

yay!

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Ok, just tell me what address to send it to.

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* ptmhd back from holiday

catching up with the bitcoin latest events
thanks for the amazing work on block explorer

and i'd be happy with diluted pizza bitcoins
so any coins linkable are fine for my anchovy pub key project

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Quote from: unfinishe on June 03, 2011, 03:10:14 AM

Donate to my college Ramen fund! 18Keg2qxL65fYAmQ2ABmfibwuwtRCnTMqv

Appropriate address... Grin

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Quote from: SomeoneWeird on June 03, 2011, 02:52:46 AM

Oh ok, sweet, care to share?

Ok, copy all the files into the bitcointools folder:

This one is a small modification to a bunch of functions found in bitcointools that makes my life easier: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/28441300/deserialize_unfinishe.py

Here is the first program that I used to find out whether any of my unredeemed coins were actually descended from the pizza transaction: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/28441300/bitcoin_descendants.py

Next, seeing that I had some at one of my addresses, I made another program to find the exact path:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/28441300/bitcoin_descendants_pizza.py

It's kind of sloppy (I wasn't planning on releasing it), so you'll have to change a few things to use it for a more general case (parent_block, parent_transaction, my address, the restriction for only transactions with 1 BTC or more).

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Quote from: unfinishe on June 03, 2011, 02:42:32 AM

Quote from: SomeoneWeird on June 03, 2011, 02:37:55 AM

how on EARTH did you manage todo that...

I sure as hell didn't do it by hand. Cheesy

I did it by making a python script, largely based on bitcointools

Oh ok, sweet, care to share?

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Quote from: SomeoneWeird on June 03, 2011, 02:37:55 AM

how on EARTH did you manage todo that...

I sure as hell didn't do it by hand. Cheesy

I did it by making a python script, largely based on bitcointools

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I finally managed to figure it out! Grin

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this can make an interesting example of how bitcoin transfers may not be 100% anonymous all of the time.

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I spent a couple minutes looking at transactions and was able to find 100 BTC at an address that came from the pizza transaction.

Original pizza transaction

which were sent to two different addresses

Tracking the larger transaction

In this transaction the 5777 BTC and the 4333 BTC were joined back together along with many others

Which was then split

and split again

and again

and again

and again (first block in 2011)

and again

and again

and again

leaving us with 100 BTC yet to be redeemed from this transaction

And since the 10000 pizza coins were included in a transaction with 11022 coins I guess you could say these 100 coins are 10000/11022 = 90.7276% "pure" Cheesy

Now to find this wallet! I'm sure there's many other BTC that can be traced back too someone just needs to put in the work I suppose.

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Quote from: k on May 21, 2011, 08:58:57 AM

amazing, it seems a bitcoin is a bitcoin is not true. some are more valuable than others.

This is no more than a coin collector looking for a coin with a certain serial number or print.

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I successfully located the original pizza transaction in block 57043.

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Quote from: SomeoneWeird on May 29, 2011, 03:20:34 AM

Quote from: opticbit on May 28, 2011, 09:32:43 PM

I currently have about 0.5 btc in my wallet.

If there's an easy way to trace them back let me know.

If you want to do the tracing, some of the links below have my address in them.

I'll sell all my pizza linked cents except one I'll hangon to.

I guess I could move them all to one address so its easy to locate all that's mine.

And you know they're all pizza linked, how?

I dont know, guess i should edit the post to make it more clear that if they wete linked id sell them, and i dont know a good way to determin if they are. Theres a possiblity they are linked, as long as papa johns spent them.

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Quote from: opticbit on May 28, 2011, 09:32:43 PM

I currently have about 0.5 btc in my wallet.

If there's an easy way to trace them back let me know.

If you want to do the tracing, some of the links below have my address in them.

I'll sell all my pizza linked cents except one I'll hangon to.

I guess I could move them all to one address so its easy to locate all that's mine.

And you know they're all pizza linked, how?

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I currently have about 0.5 btc in my wallet.

If there's an easy way to trace them back let me know.

If you want to do the tracing, some of the links below have my address in them.

I'll sell all my pizza linked cents except one I'll hangon to.

I guess I could move them all to one address so its easy to locate all that's mine.

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Quote from: ribuck on May 21, 2011, 10:00:00 AM

The obvious person to ask is ...

Thanks, i'm waiting for him there. Seems like biggest part of the problem solved. Thanks!

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The obvious person to ask is jercos, who received the payment from laszlo. I can't recall seeing him on the forum, but he has been on IRC. Even if he has been spending that money, he's highly likely to have some change transactions from it.

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Quote from: k on May 21, 2011, 09:06:37 AM

didn't mean to suggest that anyone was a moron. not at all. just the concept of bitcoin numismatics is amazing and fascinating.

Yea I understand, that's also pretty much why I'm still mining solo, I want the delicious smell of a freshly printed pure money to appear in my house Cheesy

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Quote from: davout on May 21, 2011, 09:05:13 AM

Quote from: Binford 6100 on May 21, 2011, 09:00:17 AM

i believe it's doable. all transactions are linked, don't mind if i'll be 1000 transactions from that pizza, just want to have link to that transaction. that key would be dumped, removed from wallet and never spent. so much i love it. and pizza. and pipes. and moon. and zeppelins and light bulbs. i'll go and question blockxplorer to see how the bitcoins moved since then and estimate my chances to get my hands on them.

btw since bitcoins are divisible, i would pay 2 btc even for a 0.01 part of it. you know, collectible ...

well i mean that the 10k tx out might have been used as an in for other txes along with other ones.
Let's say the payee then spent 20k coins using two 10k ins and creating a single 20k out, then those 20k have half the original pizza smell

hm, bitcoin meets homeopathy. i see the point now. but that makes looking for a bitcoin with anchovy even easier.
let's hope the buyer does not sit on the coins and they are available.

btw i can't search the blockexplorer by block number or date Sad

any workaround for that?

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Quote from: davout on May 21, 2011, 09:02:44 AM

Quote from: k on May 21, 2011, 08:58:57 AM

amazing, it seems a bitcoin is a bitcoin is not true. some are more valuable than others.

saw something in another thread about how newly mined "pure" bitcoins with no transaction history can have a premium over other bitcoins due to their potential non-traceability.

Now someone valuing certain bitcoins more than others due to their transaction history.

how about the bitcoin with the most number of confirmations? i.e. one that was mined or spent a long time ago and then just kept since then?

go tell numismats all over the world they're all morons

didn't mean to suggest that anyone was a moron. not at all. just the concept of bitcoin numismatics is amazing and fascinating.

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Quote from: Binford 6100 on May 21, 2011, 09:00:17 AM

i believe it's doable. all transactions are linked, don't mind if i'll be 1000 transactions from that pizza, just want to have link to that transaction. that key would be dumped, removed from wallet and never spent. so much i love it. and pizza. and pipes. and moon. and zeppelins and light bulbs. i'll go and question blockxplorer to see how the bitcoins moved since then and estimate my chances to get my hands on them.

btw since bitcoins are divisible, i would pay 2 btc even for a 0.01 part of it. you know, collectible ...

well i mean that the 10k tx out might have been used as an in for other txes along with other ones.
Let's say the payee then spent 20k coins using two 10k ins and creating a single 20k out, then those 20k have half the original pizza smell

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Quote from: k on May 21, 2011, 08:58:57 AM

how about the bitcoin with the most number of confirmations?

in block 170 first transaction was recorded. satoshi -> hal.
keeping in mind that newly found coins need to mature 100 blocks to be spendable, they started to test the protocol pretty early. but that transaction does not interest me. i would maybe donate few cents to see a graph how that coins were spent but not really interested in owning them

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Quote from: k on May 21, 2011, 08:58:57 AM

amazing, it seems a bitcoin is a bitcoin is not true. some are more valuable than others.

saw something in another thread about how newly mined "pure" bitcoins with no transaction history can have a premium over other bitcoins due to their potential non-traceability.

Now someone valuing certain bitcoins more than others due to their transaction history.

how about the bitcoin with the most number of confirmations? i.e. one that was mined or spent a long time ago and then just kept since then?

go tell numismats all over the world they're all morons

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i believe it's doable. all transactions are linked, don't mind if i'll be 1000 transactions from that pizza, just want to have link to that transaction. that key would be dumped, removed from wallet and never spent. so much i love it. and pizza. and pipes. and moon. and zeppelins and light bulbs. i'll go and question blockxplorer to see how the bitcoins moved since then and estimate my chances to get my hands on them.

btw since bitcoins are divisible, i would pay 2 btc even for a 0.01 part of it. you know, collectible ...

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amazing, it seems a bitcoin is a bitcoin is not true. some are more valuable than others.

saw something in another thread about how newly mined "pure" bitcoins with no transaction history can have a premium over other bitcoins due to their potential non-traceability.

Now someone valuing certain bitcoins more than others due to their transaction history.

how about the bitcoin with the most number of confirmations? i.e. one that was mined or spent a long time ago and then just kept since then?

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This idea is amazing. But I think it's not really feasible, they have probably been thoroughly mixed with the rest of their little buddies

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Tomorrow will be 1 year from laszlo's post that he was able to exchange pizzas for bitcoins.
I want to have at least 1 bitcoin from that pizza storry.

So please, if you can trace your coins back to this transaction and read this post (and want to double your bitcoin),
PM me and we have a deal.

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