Will the Armory Wallet be made compatible with the Trezor hardware wallet?

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Quote from: NotATether on July 06, 2021, 10:32:06 AM

Well, I'd be happier if Bitcoin Core was bundled with HWI and there was a special RPC command just for abstracting the wallet descriptors details. In other words, instead of importdescriptors followed by walletcreatefundedpsbt, we modify the PSBT RPCs to take parameters that dereference the specific hardware wallet in HWI, avoiding the importdescriptors call entirely.

You may not have to wait much longer Wink

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-core-v220-with-hardware-wallet-support-5347523

Seems that 0.22 will be including "External signer" functionality that is compatible with HWI: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/doc/external-signer.md

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Quote from: NotATether on July 06, 2021, 10:32:06 AM

Quote from: Carlton Banks on July 01, 2021, 07:41:58 AM

with HWI doing the hardware part (https://github.com/bitcoin-core/hwi), it should be pretty easy to achieve. Armory really just needs to start speaking BIP174, and that's more or less the whole thing.

Well, I'd be happier if Bitcoin Core was bundled with HWI and there was a special RPC command just for abstracting the wallet descriptors details. In other words, instead of importdescriptors followed by walletcreatefundedpsbt, we modify the PSBT RPCs to take parameters that dereference the specific hardware wallet in HWI, avoiding the importdescriptors call entirely.

HWI is in Python, Core is in C++. I don't see them bothering with this kind of a headache.

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Quote from: Carlton Banks on July 01, 2021, 07:41:58 AM

with HWI doing the hardware part (https://github.com/bitcoin-core/hwi), it should be pretty easy to achieve. Armory really just needs to start speaking BIP174, and that's more or less the whole thing.

Well, I'd be happier if Bitcoin Core was bundled with HWI and there was a special RPC command just for abstracting the wallet descriptors details. In other words, instead of importdescriptors followed by walletcreatefundedpsbt, we modify the PSBT RPCs to take parameters that dereference the specific hardware wallet in HWI, avoiding the importdescriptors call entirely.

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There is a PSBT implementation in the dev branch. It's about 95% compliant (doesn't really deal with custom fields yet).

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Quote from: Ente on April 04, 2016, 05:46:50 AM

Yes, but we all are here because we insist on the very best bitcoin wallet. Armory. :-)
Trezor with a decentralized node is great and important too. And not everyone believes they need the whole Armory featureset.

Still, I'll be waiting for the Armory Trezor integration.

with HWI doing the hardware part (https://github.com/bitcoin-core/hwi), it should be pretty easy to achieve. Armory really just needs to start speaking BIP174, and that's more or less the whole thing.

I really hope Armory doesn't use boost process though, that's my least favorite aspect of Bitcoin Core's external signer implementation (coming in 22.0). I know, platform independent etc, but boost is usually over-baked for what is needed, plus quite buggy (and I just don't care whether Windows users get new features or not, to be quite honest)

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If I am not mistaken Trezor guys made a bid on developing an open source hardware based on RISC-V ..

since I am just a scholar interested in Unix history... I was wondering ...

When Linus Torvalds first heard about GPG? (GNU Compiler dated 1987, Linus OS 1991 and GPG 1999)

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Yes, but we all are here because we insist on the very best bitcoin wallet. Armory. :-)
Trezor with a decentralized node is great and important too. And not everyone believes they need the whole Armory featureset.

Still, I'll be waiting for the Armory Trezor integration.

Ente

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Quote from: unamis76 on July 21, 2015, 10:39:45 AM

Quote from: Ente on July 20, 2015, 01:45:22 PM

No Trezor for me until I have Armory integration with multiple wallets.
Oh, and manually choosing inputs too.

Ente

I completely agree... I see no need to buy a Trezor without Armory integration.

But devs probably have a lot in their hands. I'm patient, tho

It will be good for both Trezor and Armory when they're both compatible.

You might be waiting a long time. When you can run myTrezor with your own Bitcore node at home will that not take care of lack of privacy concerns?

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Nonetheless, im still looking forward to Trezor support in Armory

Ente

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That's good news, thanks!
Here's the comment thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4aol6e/i_finally_moved_my_bitcoin_off_coinbase_to_trezor/d12b50d

Decentralize all the things!

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slush recently mentioned in this thread on reddit that soon a Bitpay Bitcore full node will support Trezor. If you do not want to run your own Bitcore full node (will need a laptop running linux) there will be an option in myTrezor.com to connect to public Bitcore servers like localbitcoinschain.com, insight.bitpay.com or blockexplorer.com instead of the SatoshiLabs servers. Even setting up your own Bitcore node on a spare linux laptop would be easier than running an Electrum server.

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+1.
I'm starting to recommend Trezor+Electrum to people now. Although it's worse than Armory in most aspects, I can't recommend Armory to anyone any more except the die-hard early-adopter, which of course doesn't need recommendations any more.

This feels much worse than a sudden end of a great FOSS project: it's a slow fade into insignificance.
Which, maybe, is exactly what ATI was planning to do.

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any update on this? I've just bought a Trezor, is Armory going to be compatible with it soon/ever?

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Quote from: jim618 on October 28, 2015, 09:01:44 AM

Quote from: Carlton Banks on July 18, 2015, 05:46:07 AM

Incidentally, I have discovered that out of all the options available, there is no possibility to use a Trezor with wallet software that protects your extended public key and/or public key seed (not sure which of those each piece of wallet software uses). This is as a result of the non-decentralised aspects of those wallets; even Multibit must reveal the pertaining extended public key to the bitcoin core nodes that it uses to validate each transaction.

Armory is the only prospect for using a Trezor privately, particularly important if you would also like to use the Trezor for authenticating logins. I'd like to use a hardware wallet for the long term, but if there's any question as to whether Trezor integration will happen, then I'll have to start thinking about alternatives. Can we get some kind of commitment that the integration will happen? I am willing to help test etc

Note that MultiBit HD doesn't actually give your extended public key to the Core nodes to get the relevant transactions.
It DOES give information about the addresses (in the form of a bloom filter) but the extended public key never leaves your machine.

In practice Jim, that's not such a great consolation, but I do understand the difference: nodes resolving SPV bloom filter requests can determine all the previous used addresses that pertain to a given xpub, but not every address that will be used in future (as would be the case if the xpub was shared with the node)

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Quote from: Carlton Banks on July 18, 2015, 05:46:07 AM

Incidentally, I have discovered that out of all the options available, there is no possibility to use a Trezor with wallet software that protects your extended public key and/or public key seed (not sure which of those each piece of wallet software uses). This is as a result of the non-decentralised aspects of those wallets; even Multibit must reveal the pertaining extended public key to the bitcoin core nodes that it uses to validate each transaction.

Armory is the only prospect for using a Trezor privately, particularly important if you would also like to use the Trezor for authenticating logins. I'd like to use a hardware wallet for the long term, but if there's any question as to whether Trezor integration will happen, then I'll have to start thinking about alternatives. Can we get some kind of commitment that the integration will happen? I am willing to help test etc

Note that MultiBit HD doesn't actually give your extended public key to the Core nodes to get the relevant transactions.
It DOES give information about the addresses (in the form of a bloom filter) but the extended public key never leaves your machine.

Ente

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Everyone has his own priorities, concerning dedicated hardware, multiple wallets, size, security and costs.
Armory + Trezor should solve this for many individual preferences though.

Ente

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Quote from: unamis76 on July 21, 2015, 10:39:45 AM

Quote from: Ente on July 20, 2015, 01:45:22 PM

No Trezor for me until I have Armory integration with multiple wallets.
Oh, and manually choosing inputs too.

Ente

I completely agree... I see no need to buy a Trezor without Armory integration.

But devs probably have a lot in their hands. I'm patient, tho

It will be good for both Trezor and Armory when they're both compatible.

On the other hand for myself I see no need to continue to use Armory until Trezor is supported. Using two computers for cold storage is a right pain in the butt and feels so outdated. I will be among the first to start using Armory again when I see a new build released with full Trezor support.

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Quote from: Ente on July 23, 2015, 04:34:33 PM

Quote from: RoadStress on July 21, 2015, 05:51:09 PM

Quote from: Ente on July 20, 2015, 01:45:22 PM

No Trezor for me until I have Armory integration with multiple wallets.
Oh, and manually choosing inputs too.

Ente

This deserves a donation!

No, no trezor for me, not even donated!
:-P

(The new wallet format has to launch first for trezor integration, which is in the works already.
Yes, let's donate some to the Armory team: https://bitcoinarmory.com/contact/)

Ente

I was talking about a donation to the Armory team too

Ente

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Quote from: RoadStress on July 21, 2015, 05:51:09 PM

Quote from: Ente on July 20, 2015, 01:45:22 PM

No Trezor for me until I have Armory integration with multiple wallets.
Oh, and manually choosing inputs too.

Ente

This deserves a donation!

No, no trezor for me, not even donated!
:-P

(The new wallet format has to launch first for trezor integration, which is in the works already.
Yes, let's donate some to the Armory team: https://bitcoinarmory.com/contact/)

Ente

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Quote from: Ente on July 20, 2015, 01:45:22 PM

No Trezor for me until I have Armory integration with multiple wallets.
Oh, and manually choosing inputs too.

Ente

This deserves a donation!

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Quote from: Ente on July 20, 2015, 01:45:22 PM

No Trezor for me until I have Armory integration with multiple wallets.
Oh, and manually choosing inputs too.

Ente

I completely agree... I see no need to buy a Trezor without Armory integration.

But devs probably have a lot in their hands. I'm patient, tho

It will be good for both Trezor and Armory when they're both compatible.

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Quote from: etotheipi on June 17, 2013, 11:52:46 AM

Short answer: yes

I was actually planning on getting in touch with them soon, to discuss some way we could help each other out.

Is there any chance of supporting the Ledger (HW.1) also? If so that would be awesome too!!

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No Trezor for me until I have Armory integration with multiple wallets.
Oh, and manually choosing inputs too.

Ente

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Trezor + MultibitHD + Full Node on localhost might also work. However it still SPV connects to other nodes, and only uses the first HD account

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Quote from: AussieHash on July 18, 2015, 07:39:28 AM

You could host your own full node, and electrum server (or jelectrum). I've been asking the folks at mycelium to allow a SPV connection to your own full node, this would also work

Ah, I'd not thought of that. Here are the instructions for setting up an Electrum server: https://www.sky-ip.org/configure-electrum-server-debian-ubuntu.html

At a glance, I'm not sure whether I care enough right now to attempt setting up an Electrum server, re-indexing the bitcoin blockchain using a different config option is not very enticing. It's good that the option does exist though, thanks AussieHash

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Quote from: Carlton Banks on July 18, 2015, 05:46:07 AM

Incidentally, I have discovered that out of all the options available, there is no possibility to use a Trezor with wallet software that protects your extended public key and/or public key seed (not sure which of those each piece of wallet software uses). This is as a result of the non-decentralised aspects of those wallets; even Multibit must reveal the pertaining extended public key to the bitcoin core nodes that it uses to validate each transaction.

You could host your own full node, and electrum server (or jelectrum). I've been asking the folks at mycelium to allow a SPV connection to your own full node, this would also work

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Incidentally, I have discovered that out of all the options available, there is no possibility to use a Trezor with wallet software that protects your extended public key and/or public key seed (not sure which of those each piece of wallet software uses). This is as a result of the non-decentralised aspects of those wallets; even Multibit must reveal the pertaining extended public key to the bitcoin core nodes that it uses to validate each transaction.

Armory is the only prospect for using a Trezor privately, particularly important if you would also like to use the Trezor for authenticating logins. I'd like to use a hardware wallet for the long term, but if there's any question as to whether Trezor integration will happen, then I'll have to start thinking about alternatives. Can we get some kind of commitment that the integration will happen? I am willing to help test etc

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Quote from: PabloW on July 15, 2015, 12:05:44 AM

Quote from: goatpig on June 22, 2015, 11:38:22 PM

It's the same as it was before. We want to implement Trezor support, but we need to finish the new wallets first (our current wallet format is not compatible with Trezor).

What will be the changes on the new wallets that will allow it to implement Trezor that the current wallet doesn't have?

BIP32. All the wallet functions of BIP32 wallets are available to Armory users now, as it's wallet format already uses H/D address generation, but it currently uses Armory's own format (which won't operate with a Trezor directly). So it's just about inter-operating with standards defined outside Armory, basically.

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Quote from: goatpig on June 22, 2015, 11:38:22 PM

It's the same as it was before. We want to implement Trezor support, but we need to finish the new wallets first (our current wallet format is not compatible with Trezor).

What will be the changes on the new wallets that will allow it to implement Trezor that the current wallet doesn't have?

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Quote from: windpath on December 10, 2014, 01:47:19 PM

Very much looking forward to Armory/Trezor integration

+1

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It's the same as it was before. We want to implement Trezor support, but we need to finish the new wallets first (our current wallet format is not compatible with Trezor).

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Anything is better than that horrible wallet electrum which is the only desktop wallet that supports trezor besides a website.

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Very much looking forward to Armory/Trezor integration

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Excellent news!

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We have a roadmap, but nothing public. You can still try your luck with etotheipi =P

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Quote from: goatpig on November 10, 2014, 06:27:29 AM

We will come with a test build in the upcoming weeks, but there is no guaranty the new wallets will be ready by then. Our short term goal is to improve the robustness of the new backend, and then the new wallets when they are ready, so we won't be implementing support for Trezor while we aren't satisfied with the solidity of all this new code.

Thanks goatpig.

Is there by any chance an "Armory Roadmap" or similar that is publically available?

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We will come with a test build in the upcoming weeks, but there is no guaranty the new wallets will be ready by then. Our short term goal is to improve the robustness of the new backend, and then the new wallets when they are ready, so we won't be implementing support for Trezor while we aren't satisfied with the solidity of all this new code.

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Quote from: goatpig on September 17, 2014, 09:19:24 AM

Trezor support at best in the next release, that's late October/early November if everything goes according to plan.

It is early November any update on this feature.

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Quote from: goatpig on July 22, 2014, 11:57:41 AM

Along with the BIP32 wallet version, so either 0.93 or 0.94.

Any update on this? I have a Trezor, but I don't like using it with MyTrezor.com

Quote from: goatpig on September 17, 2014, 09:19:24 AM

Trezor support at best in the next release, that's late October/early November if everything goes according to plan.

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Quote from: goatpig on July 22, 2014, 11:57:41 AM

Along with the BIP32 wallet version, so either 0.93 or 0.94.

Any update on this? I have a Trezor, but I don't like using it with MyTrezor.com

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Along with the BIP32 wallet version, so either 0.93 or 0.94.

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Quote from: etotheipi on June 17, 2013, 11:52:46 AM

Short answer: yes

I was actually planning on getting in touch with them soon, to discuss some way we could help each other out.

BUMP

Any updates on the integration of (AWESOME) Armory and Trezor?

BTW really enjoyed your talk at the MIT Bitcoin Expo, you did a great job presenting.

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Short answer: yes

I was actually planning on getting in touch with them soon, to discuss some way we could help each other out.

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That would seem like a perfect match to me.

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