Topic: Will vaccine passports lead to the demise of vaccines? (Read 466 times)

Vaccination is not necessary for immunity. As doctors say that every human body has a natural immunity. Based on data, most of the people affected by the corona virus attack are elderly.
If the vaccination needs to be proven with a certificate, then it is clear that the vaccination is not for the purpose of treating the corona virus, but for business purposes. This forces everyone to get vaccinated so they can travel. While vaccination does not need to be carried out on people who are not exposed to the corona virus, while people who have other disease symptoms should not be vaccinated, because there will be side effects.

My father fought in the first world war, and he was fighting for freedom for the world. What a wasted effort that was. Also I have memories of the second world war, and the "doodlebugs" that flew over this country. but what has that got to do with anything?

It's about as relevant as your comment about physical characteristics. All I encourage people to do is to stay healthy, and to avoid the poisons and toxic products that the pharma companies are foisting on us. Hair, skin and shoe colour are not relevant. You used to have to wear black shoes to go on the floor of the London stock exchange, but computers have changed that.

Would these children be blue eyed and have blond hair?  What do we do with the children who do not measure up to your vision of perfection - bundle them into trains to work in the country away from preying eyes next to factories whose chimneys bellow smoke day and night, but manufacture nothing?  Who is next?  Gypsies and dissidents?

You're nearly 80 - Did your father, or grandfather, fight in the war?  Do you recall what they were fighting for?

And you only have to spend an afternoon in McDonalds to see the results of all those vaccinations. It is time we went back to breeding healthy kids, and not cripples, kids with allergies, problems with vision, and the other problems created by vaccines and poor nutrition.

We already have vaccine passports. They are called vaccination cards. To enroll a child into a child care facility, the parents bring proof of vaccinations for diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, polio, measles, rubella, mumps, and others. To enroll a child into school, the parents show a vaccination card to the board as proof. When you enroll in a college, you bring your vaccination card with you. To stay for a long period of time in developed countries, you need to bring, along with other documents, your passport and a vaccination card to get a visa. It is either a card, or a book, or another type of document depending on the country where it is issued.

I don't know where you get your information from but you are clearly misinformed.


Vaccines, as well as nutrition and sanitation, have a major impact on life expectancy.

For example,


Viruses aren't "smart". They make no decisions. They have no wants.


Sorry, but exposure to a pathogen does not create a general immunity to all pathogens. Instead, it causes your immune system to build a defense against that specific pathogen. Exposure to some pathogens will lead to death before your immune system can build its defense. For those pathogens, there are vaccines that expose you to the pathogen without risking illness.

Furthermore, your immunity does not make you a super hero. It gives you the ability to kill pathogens that you are exposed to but it does nothing to pathogens that other people are exposed to.

Vaccines rely on the immune system. They are useless without it.

It  wasn't drugs that increased life expectancy, but better nutrition and sanitation.

I've said that in other posts myself as well. There are people who believe in the immune system as if it were an infallible thing, when in the past there were no chemically synthesized drugs nor was medicine so advanced and people died much earlier. A simple infection or cold could kill you.

Another thing is that a strong immune system means that you will be less prone to suffer from diseases, and if you catch the disease to fight it better, that is to say that it lasts less and with fewer symptoms.

But there are people who have faith in the immune system like those who have faith in God, and it is not faith but rationality that has led us humans to increase life expectancy and reach levels of wellbeing that were unthinkable centuries ago.

Again, fully confused by New Age gurus you are. People are not "naturally healthy", the life expectancy before there was anything that could be called medicine was 35 years and it still is in countries that cannot afford modern medicine. And it has only increased thanks to science, not just because the humans have become stronger.

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Now focus on on 1928 and how the curve goes crazily up. You know what is that? Fleming discovering penicillin. That is what true science and "pharma" do when correctly used. An now, do you see an sensible increase for some regions around 1880? That is Pasteur creating the science of immunology thanks to which you are alive. Don´t bother to go along the line of "I have never taken antibiotics"... your parents and ancestors expectancy of life would have been nil without these.

It is against the nature and interests of viruses to cause death. They need their hosts to remain alive and active so that they can spread and multiply. Killing their hosts will lead to their extinction, and they are too smart to want that.

It's not a "minor virus" if it has caused millions of deaths and permanent disabilities, regardless of the circumstances.

Well I don't see Covid as an evil, but I think the people who created it are. So my choice is between a system that has been round for thousands of years, and has helped humans to become the potentially healthy creatures they are. Healthy is the natural state for mankind. We do what we can to mess that up, and we have globalists who exploit this. So my choice is between a healthy natural option, and an obviously damaging system that is designed to control the population. I think the desperation of governments to vaccinate everybody, when scientific advice it to vaccinate pre-pandemic, and not during a pandemic, is sufficient evidence to discredit the whole initiative.

As I have said in many posts, it isn't covid that puts people into ICUs, but their crappy health that falls over when it is exposed to a minor virus.

I insist that you choose a community in a COVID plant and have a traditional cuppa with them. Better if all you actually use the same cuppa to test your theory.

Re the failed treatment, I sympathise with your partner´s situation, it seems similar to one in my near family. Precisely, no one that calls himself a rational scientific will ever argue that all the answers have been found and that science and pharma have the solution for everything.  However, when a scientific truth is found and accepted by the vast majority of the scientific community it is because, as far as humans can reach "truths", that is one of them.

I perfectly understand that if there are no answers to an specific problem or those answers are insufficient, people try to look for alternatives and experiment with themselves. I would do exactly the same and I am not blind to the benefits of natural remedies and good nutrition (hint, is not a full English breakfast).

In the case of the vaccines, it is very clear that 1 year of testing is not enough to give full certainty of their efficacy nor of the long term effects. That is science. However, there is a long stretch from there to saying that is better to remain exposed to an illness that is perfectly known to be highly contagious and is know to cause enough ICU intakes as to block the sanitary system. Sometimes you have to choose the less of two evils, is as simple as that.

Now you are free to go into a denial "there is no problem in the ICUs, it is not really contagious, I am immune because I eat organic carrots, ....) and that is where you are going against truly established facts and your opinion becomes basically irrelevant.

How many vaccinated people actually understand the so-called science behind it?

I have a healthy partner who is currently caring for her younger sister, who is struggling with the results of failed cancer treatment. My healthy partner is interested in natural remedies and good diet, but her sister has embraced the myth of beneficial pharmaceutical drugs.

I'm not a hermit, and because of my lifestyle, I'm exposed to a wide range of infections in a diverse selection of communities. I believe that this has allowed me to build a robust immune system, and that I am beneficial to society, as I am killing and destroying many of the pathogens that the vaccinate pharma slavers fall prey to.

See, that is exactly the problem of people that have a vague idea of what a proof or what science is.


For example, one case does not make a rule. I insist, you should stress test you theory going to a COVID plant. What could go wrong?

I am happy that there are vaccine passports. I sincerely hope they start asking for those in all public places so I do not have to share the same air in a plane with people who are scared of science because they have only weird ideas of how it works and what it is and think that they are "naturally immune".

You probably have not contracted COVID because you do not have any active social life, which is a shame if there are some nice ladies in their 80´s in the vicinity as you mentioned in another post.

The benefit is small, but its effect is really great and saves time for the authorities. If applied worldwide, the benefits will be huge. The current pandemic situation is very complicated and has dangerous new variations. People management is very important in epidemic prevention. I think the idea of vaccination certification is necessary. A small but meaningful thing.

I don't disagree, to categorize people into vaccinated and unvaccinated for further treatment plans if they get infected again and treating them based on their immunity level and if they have been vaccinated or not, is a good idea. But at the same time, I question if the person's testimony would be enough though during treatment asking if they have been vaccinated or not. To mark someone as vaccinated in their passports might be a good idea but I don't see any benefit of huge level.

A vaccine passport is a necessity. Although vaccinated people can contract the virus, certification of vaccination will help health authorities categorize people as a treatment plan or isolate people who have been vaccinated against COVID-19.
With this approach, disease control will be better than no distinction between vaccinated and unvaccinated people.

We are seeing that even after vaccination, there are still people getting infected, and I myself have undergone through covid and got cured naturally by taking some meds and fruits, but still I follow strict social distances and other protocols, and I think although vaccination can help in other ways (like increase in immunity against the virus) but can't really stop the virus from getting in the body and do some dance to mess with your body and poke here and there to make you feel uneasy for any time period.

What will the test be? Will they test for "T" cell immunity, or the absence of antibodies. Both present difficulties, and this is why they are currently using cheap, but unreliable methods.

Actually, at least when I heard about Covid passports, they didn't just refer to being vaccinated, although it seems that way from the title:

"How will the EU vaccine passport work?
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The certificate, either digital or on paper, will enable anyone vaccinated against Covid, or who has tested negative, or recently recovered from the virus, to travel across all 27 member states."

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56522408

So there are three ways to get it, not just the vaccine. The easiest way if you don't like vaccines is to get tested.

I would prefer to be in a plane load of unvaccinated people, than one that is full of people with reduced immunity, and thus other health problems.

My opinion on that is vaccine passports might be useful only on flying from country to country. Not really as a tool for curtailing your freedoms in your own country by being associated with the unvaccined. Imagine you need a vaccine passport to enter a province or a town. Then you would not be able to enter the province without a vaccine passport. That is bad. Because your freedom to move freely in your own country is also stifled. So I guess I want vaccine passport only for country to country access.

Surely my being 78 with no health problems adds veracity to my comments.

As usual... any serious evidence of any of your assertions? Other than that, I insist that you start kissing COVID patients to test your theories.

Crap. now that I know that you are 78 proving you wrong is no longer fun.

Oh dear!

The current testing is crap, and doesn't test for immunity. People like me with strong immunity are virus killers, unlike the vaccinated with lower protection and reduced immunity. I don't fear the virus, and variants of Corona Viruses have been around all my life (78 years), and I have never had more than a sniffle. I won't be messing up my health by allowing vaccination, and those who fear the virus, should address their underlying health issues that make them vulnerable. You invest in your health, and like any investment, you should do your own research, and not listen to propagandists that have vested interests.

Any evidence please? Is this like your mucus theory? Did you go to a COVID plant without a mask to test it already?

The passports are a great idea, it will prevent people like you travel untested with people who have opted to get a vaccine to avoid killing others.

My first booklet is a pale pink colour because the ((as it turns out) unregistered) nurse in the first aid room at my work place thought it'd be a great idea for the booklets to be pink when she was ordering them...  It wasn't until I went to a travel doctor that I was given a correct colour booklet. Now I've got three mostly full booklets and have turned up at pharmacies here in Oz and a GP's and a pharmacy in NZ and gotten various jabs (pneumonia, flu, tetanus etc) and none blink when I hand over the booklet, they just add the relevant information and sign.

Like the jabs themselves, very quick, very easy and very convenient to carry with you when traveling.

Ah, that reminded me of good old days of working in Africa and having one of these (well they were different those days, no QR codes etc LOL) for my travels. If I go through piles of my old papers I might find it, blow the dust off and use it for brand new Covid stamp  

Thank you for backing up what I said.

Please don't believe everything you read -- especially just because it validates your beliefs.

If 95% of the population is immune to corona viruses, then we could not have had a SARS-CoV-2 pandemic.

And people would also not be getting sick from other corona viruses such as 229E, NL63, OC43, and HKU1.

At 95% immunity, transmission from one person to any other person is very unlikely, so it could not spread like it does, and therefore the claim cannot be true.

Hmm...

That was very awkward to read.  

Not sure if you're Trolling or not.  Either way, I don't think you should be spreading misinformation (unless of course you can cite genuine (i.e. non-antivax rhetoric) research that has been peer reviewed).

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This is the first news I have had. Insulin resistance is a serious problem and is mainly due to eating too often and eating too many carbohydrates, mainly sugars.

Regarding Covid, what happens is the opposite, people who have insulin resistance are more prone to develop a serious clinical picture of COVID-19 as well as other diseases, but not the other way around.

I don't know if you can back that up what you say, I guess not, as usual.

Why would I need to smoke pot? I don't smoke anything, so I haven't destroyed my smell and taste buds, or reduced my libido. I can enjoy the smell and taste of a woman, and I don't have to rely on artificial stimuli to enhance a mechanical copulation.

Vaccination doesn't protect you from Covid, all it does is to weaken your immune system, and fool it into creating antibodies for a synthetic virus. It relies in your weakened innate immune system to protect you from the real virus. It isn't the number of people who survive vaccination that matters, it is the numbers who are damaged or die from these vaccines that are important. Nobody has died from not having the vaccine, although some have died from various medical problems such as insulin resistance, and these are being attributed to the Covid virus.

In reality, a store such as Primark which plans to insist on requiring vaccination for its customers, that poses more of a health risk than a store that has a general mix of the population. They will have a higher level of Covid immunity. Of course we can expect to see government insistence on passports with mobile apps as verification. This has nothing to do with health, but is another way to install trojans in our computing devices.

Smoking Pot?

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Getting a vaccination is a requirement to travel to certain parts of the world to prevent contracting virus' already present in that region.  Certain countries or even airlines and cruise liners might require you to be inoculated prior to travel and the proof is in the documents you have (such as the Vaccine Certificate Booklet I mentioned earlier).

Will a vaccine prevent further outbreaks?  It already has for virus' such as Polio, Small Pox and similar.  If you're sixty, then you would have heard of the Polio/Chicken Pox etc Vaccinations when you were quite young.

Not during the last 60 years. That's probably why I don't get 'flu or other viruses/sickness. I don't take any pharma medication either, and that includes anti-biotics, antacids or pain killers. I do drink coffee and quality alcohol, although I have cut down on the alcohol as I spend so much time in the van.

You've obviously never had a vaccine in your life, otherwise you would be aware of the World Health Organisation's International Certificates of Vaccinations Booklets that have been around for decades.  I live in Australia and everything from my Influenza, Pneumonia and similar annual jabs through to Yellow Fever, Rabies and Tetanus shots can all be recorded.



Check out Smart Vaccination Certificate Working Group for more information.

'privacy'??

when you have  vaccine its done by a medical centre who have medical records anyway.
yep they know your name and health history already so marking a record that you had a vaccine changes nothing.. thats how medical record have always worked..

they simply put it on your medical record. and separately for privacy reasons put just the vaccination detail on a separate database

when you book a flight and get on a plane. the airline already knew your name and home address and bank details anyway(you booked and paid for the flight)
being told you been vaccinated does not mean they know your entire medical history
giving them your credit card number doesnt give them your entire bank statement history
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the schemes are not about giving a bar owner access to your whole life of bank records and medical history

its just a scheme for airlines to know just about vaccination. not the other medical stuff
they are not accessing your medical records they are getting the data from a separate database of only the vaccine

if your concerned about governments
even without a vaccine database. the government can still get a warrant for bank details .. and a warrant for medical records and learn your whole life history
the vaccine database does not have your bank details. nor your medical record. so it doesnt make any difference

if you think that the vaccine database reveals your name.. well stop crying because you already provided your name when you booked the flight. yep airlines have always known the names of people flying on their planes

having a vaccine and that recorded on a vaccine database does not reveal you went on a plane. just vaccine related data
again governments will still need to piece your medical records and your bank history and your flight history by getting a warrant for all 3 separate things from different departments

the vaccine database does not reveal those other things in one place

but im going to emphasise this
governments can work out alot about you by looking at all the other things. its never been about they cant. its about that you are (if not involved in a crime) not important enough for them to get data from your hospital/bank/airline

a vaccine database does not make you less private in any way

yep ill emphasise this again
you are not important enough for them to even bother investigating so they are not even bothering to build a case against you of your whole life....... unless your a criminal of interest

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the only fear i think anti-vaxx idiots should fear.. is that while publicly saying they are anti-vax. if their cult leaders hacked the vaccine database and found out which of their 'devoted' followers secretly had the vaccine. thus being removed from the anti-vax cult. and losing their 'friendships' in their cultish community

 I can get faked documents on craigs list and on ebay.

It may be a good idea on paper but I'm thinking of the privacy and ethical implications that come with this "passport". We all know they'll be collecting more data than they need to, just take a look at the most recent data breaches in the news. Countries that mandate this vaccine will be met with some type of resistance. I wouldn't be surprised if an underground market emerges to obtain 'certifications' in these areas.

Many anti vaxers fear this vaccine 💉 will hurt and kill you.

But if I were a super villian looking to waste people I would not waste compliant people I would waste free thinkers.

So if ⅔ of the world gets a vaccine and follows orders ⅓ resists.

that is 2.7 billion smart guy free thinkers guys like the op an anti vaxer and a free thinker.

So Jet Cash would be targeted with the next virus covid-22 or covid -23

it is already made 5 times as deadly as  covid-19

And all the no mask no vaccine people will be at super high risk since they would be the natural targets.

villains always target none compliant people.

So frankly choice
a is villians looking to whack free thinkers that resist
b is villians looking to whack easy to control people that follow them
c no villains honest science vax is lessor of two evils
d no villains honest science vax is worst of two evils
e no villains honest science math is about the same shot or no shot.

I figure a to be more likely the b so pro shot
I figure c to be more likely than d or e pro shot.

the least likely is b
the second least likely may or may not be d

not sure what to think about e.

so will I get a shot. If they tell me I can have an appointment I would take the phizer.

you will NOT and never will need a 'covid passport' for going to a retail store pub or cafe

no one will be stupid to pay £120 to have a test just to be confirmed negative to be able to have a pint and then need to pay another £120 a few days later to reconfirm they are not infected to have another pint on another day

businesses would never demand such a stupid thing either

the covid passports are for those who want to fly to countries on aeroplanes(cylinder air prisons) but dont want to quarantine
by being vaccinated or having a test within 48 hours of the plane ride. allows passengers to not have to be put in quarantine on arrival

if only the conspiracy idiots would actually do two things. they could alleviate their own fears
1. realise they they as basement dwellers wont travel on a plane anyway. thus hve no need for a covid pass
2. realise the covid pass wont be used for grocery stores or pubs

It sounds too good to be true to me. There are too many economic interests at stake. Do you think that after everything that has happened, they are going to recognize that 95% of the people do not need the vaccine? Not a chance. The pharmaceutical companies are going to sell vaccines like crazy.

We have a proposal in the UK that vaccine passports should be created. This seems to be under serious consideration by our government. The passports will certify that a person has received a Covid vaccination, or that he/she has developed natural immunity, or has recovered from a recent Covid infection. Some virologists are of the opinion that as many as 95% of the population have innate immunity to the whole family of Corona viruses. If this is born out by the passport testing, will it lead to a realisation that vaccinations are not required for protection against the virus?