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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on September 18, 2023, 01:35:28 AM

What's up with all of these threads about merits? Are people starting to become concerned with ranking up again and earning more money? That cynical little devil that lives on my shoulder is starting to tell me something's up.

This isn't about making money or ranking up, was just curious about it and if that's how it seems to you, I never have that in mind for ones. I mean ranking up and earning, nah, that's not the idea..

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And OP, this forum has existed for most of its life without the merit system or any method for members to "like" posts. So I'd say even if the merit system wasn't created, we'd all be just fine. On top of that, everything you wrote has been discussed to death already--across many threads and who knows how many years. So please lock this thread, because it's going to turn into a shitposter magnet and we don't need threads like this in Meta.

Well you've said it all, and I too don't want anything that would attract any ill idea of this post or even seen as a shitpost...

I really appreciate you all for your contribution, comments and all that... Let's say have gotten the info needed. Was just being curious per say.

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Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on September 18, 2023, 12:53:16 AM

Now let's remove merit out from the equation and I know some of you may say the post is of good quality by the comments quote and all that just as @BitcoinGirl.Club rightly said, how can you appreciate a good post?

If a user does not mind to quote appropriately to keep their reply cleanly and readable, it is a first thinking in my mind, a shit post.

You can quote a post, trim it very easily so if you fail to do it, you are possibly a shit poster. Because if a simplest thing, you fail, can not do it, how you can spend your time for thinking and write a good reply.

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What's up with all of these threads about merits? Are people starting to become concerned with ranking up again and earning more money? That cynical little devil that lives on my shoulder is starting to tell me something's up.

And OP, this forum has existed for most of its life without the merit system or any method for members to "like" posts. So I'd say even if the merit system wasn't created, we'd all be just fine. On top of that, everything you wrote has been discussed to death already--across many threads and who knows how many years. So please lock this thread, because it's going to turn into a shitposter magnet and we don't need threads like this in Meta.

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Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on September 18, 2023, 12:53:16 AM

The way you guys respond to this post is really helpful but we all know that Bitcointalk doesn't have fixtures to react to post just as @SmartGold1 said and I still say it that I see merit as something to tell that a post is informative, constructive and of quality as the case maybe. Now let's remove merit out from the equation and I know some of you may say the post is of good quality by the comments quote and all that just as @BitcoinGirl.Club rightly said, how can you appreciate a good post?
Ok let's say we now use merit to indicate or should I say rate a post as informative and educative, are you telling that we just use quote and maybe replies to rate a post, without merit?

It's better to not worry about it really. If you like someone's post and have some merit to give out, then give that post a merit. There's no system, everyone can spend their smerit pretty much any way they want to.

I like to merit lower ranks from time to time to help them rank up, or at least I used to. I've slowed down a little as I think a decent number of the newbies are a part of the same farm. I seem to have moved on to meriting full member and above mostly the last few weeks.

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The way you guys respond to this post is really helpful but we all know that Bitcointalk doesn't have fixtures to react to post just as @SmartGold1 said and I still say it that I see merit as something to tell that a post is informative, constructive and of quality as the case maybe. Now let's remove merit out from the equation and I know some of you may say the post is of good quality by the comments quote and all that just as @BitcoinGirl.Club rightly said, how can you appreciate a good post?
Ok let's say we now use merit to indicate or should I say rate a post as informative and educative, are you telling that we just use quote and maybe replies to rate a post, without merit?

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Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on September 17, 2023, 03:09:09 PM

No need to say much but I'd like to know, without merit how can YOU rate a post as a quality post or how can you appreciate a quality post?

You take appreciation by taking time into reading it, or probably interacting with it if you have something valuable to say. Merits are appreciated if you think a post is of good quality, but it is not required at all. And you definitely don't need the public to know that you appreciate almost anything.

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This scale is not accurate. There are some high-quality posts that did not receive merit for an unknown reason, and on the other hand, there are low-quality posts that received merit for one reason or another.

The quality of posts depends on the personal perspective of the members. There are those who evaluate the post as being of high quality and worthy of merit, while others do not see it as such. Everyone is free to have his or her point of view, and it is difficult for everyone to agree on one opinion.

But in general, regardless of merit, the quality of a post can be evaluated through the useful or new information it presents in a simple and understandable way for everyone, and taking into account the placement of relevant links, sources, or images if necessary.

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The only way to look is the total posts because low quality post will be deleted by moderator.

Maybe you will argue not many users will report low quality post, but since merit is removed, this will make people will try to use report to moderator frequently.

If someone tend to create many bad posts and never improved after few months, the account could be tagged with neutral feedback to warn other users to not read his post.

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Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on September 17, 2023, 03:09:09 PM

Have been thinking about this Merit and quality post, like how it works, if the both of them work hand in hand or something.
Because to me, merit speaks more about someone's post to be a quality post and you guys would agree with me.

Ideally it should, but "quality" doesn't necessarily mean a post is going to get merit, just like the presence of merits doesn't automatically mean a post is of quality. Sometimes meriting a post simply means something about the post clicked with the merit giver.

Merit just flies through the air... It is beamed out all over the f'in place. You just gotta know how to grab it.

Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on September 17, 2023, 03:09:09 PM

No need to say much but I'd like to know, without merit how can YOU rate a post as a quality post or how can you appreciate a quality post?

I would say that posts that trigger responses, or a chain of responses, are indicative of quality... They spark discussion, debate, praise, criticism, questions, etc. That's really what we should be aiming for.

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Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on September 17, 2023, 03:09:09 PM

without merit how can YOU rate a post as a quality post or how can you appreciate a quality post?

It will work as I subjectively rate a post, only there is no reference point to how or how many the appreciate is assigned to a post, so you can't see anything. Moreover, since subjective judgment is unlimited, it doesn't need to be revealed.
I remember about the neutral feedback feature which is allowed to be used outside the trading context.

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Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on September 17, 2023, 03:09:09 PM

Have been thinking about this Merit and quality post, like how it works, if the both of them work hand in hand or something.
Because to me, merit speaks more about someone's post to be a quality post and you guys would agree with me.
No need to say much but I'd like to know, without merit how can YOU rate a post as a quality post or how can you appreciate a quality post?

I don't look at merit as the main factor for quality of a post. It is one of factors for a post quality but not only one and decisive one. Many posts receive merit even they are not good posts when people use their sendable merit to like other posts or to do something they clearly know.

With me, merit does not speak about one poster quality. A merited post is not clearly better than a post that is not merited.

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Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on September 17, 2023, 03:09:09 PM

No need to say much but I'd like to know, without merit how can YOU rate a post as a quality post or how can you appreciate a quality post?

Merits is usually given as a reward for a post deemed as quality or valuable by reader when they come across it, can also be given for completion of a task or even for no reason.

The criteria for quality and valuable may be different for everyone, hence some post that you may come across, may be valuable to you because of the information they can provide to you even if they are not merited. And even a merited post may not also be valuable to you.

A highly merited post, that is a post that has been merited by many forum users is a quality post because many users have rated how valuable it is.

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Quote from: Mia Chloe on September 17, 2023, 03:26:14 PM

From your present rank you of All members should understand that merit is not a 100% criteria for knowing a quality post .other criteria also exist such as
Posting In the correct board
Post presentation
Information and links if necessary
Theses are the main attributes a quality posts should have. They are also the main attributes that differentiate a newbies post from a more established members post. However if a post carries these qualities it will likely get the right attention but if it does not you can check out these threads if you feel you have a post of good quality that didn't get proper attention
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60895527

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55173475

On the matter of posting in the correct boards, some higher ranking users make that mistake so I doubt it's just newbies who make that mistake.

On the subject raised by the Op, I'd just say everyone else has his way of rating posts. Let's assume there's no merit system to appreciate a post, I feel the numbers of replies or quotes a user gets on his reply or created thread shows that post is worth something.
Users give merit according to how it pleases them and I will say they go hand in hand in this forum.

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Quote from: Mia Chloe on September 17, 2023, 03:26:14 PM

From your present rank you of All members should understand that merit is not a 100% criteria for knowing a quality post .other criteria also exist such as
Posting In the correct board
Post presentation
Information and links if necessary

And I may add merit is subjective I remember there was a member asking for important details about a transanction confirming if he did the right thing he got only a one-word response and that is yes but that short post is enough to generate merits, we all have a different definition and action when it comes to giving merit.
I often gave merits to people who corrected me, merits could be an appreciation or agreeing to one's post

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For me, whether or not a post is considered a 'quality post' is subjective. It depends on the individual reader and what they are seeking in a post. I assess the quality of a post without solely considering its merit based on its impact on me. As a reader, a post can have a positive impact on me by making me think differently, teaching me something new, or motivating me to take action.

I believe a post can still be considered of high quality if it meets the criteria set by a reader's judgment. Sometimes, readers may value posts for their humor and entertainment, even if these posts don't necessarily provide new information or help them solve a problem.

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Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on September 17, 2023, 03:09:09 PM

I'd like to know, without merit how can YOU rate a post as a quality post or how can you appreciate a quality post?

Nothing, even it is replied or quoted by many doesn't always mean its a quality post, sometimes people just correct them, appealed, and contradict. There even usual times that you don't need to reply a quality post you just drop xxx of merits.
And rarely, some quality post doesn't get merits but it doesn't mean is not quality post which needs attention.

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Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on September 17, 2023, 03:20:27 PM

But see it this way, without merit how can you rate a post?
because with merit distribution in this Forum that's how we rate quality post...
Without merit is there any other way of rating a post?

Without merit it's still possible to rate a post. When you see someone post is appreciated by most of the users or it's quoted by many users then that shows the post has some value and is somehow helping others. Meriting a quality post is helpful for the forum because the member who receives those merits will try to increase his/her posts quality even further after getting those merits.

When a post contain a lot of information but still that post hasn't got any merits then in such case when someone reads the post and finds it valuable will try to reply to that post and show his/her appreciation for the information. I still believe that high quality posts receive merits even if it take them a lot of time.

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Quote from: SmartGold01 on September 17, 2023, 03:54:17 PM

that's why today you find some post do not received merits by everyone rather only some few people can give it merits.

There's no post that has been merited by everyone on the forum and this is for various reasons for this, one being that not everyone has smerits to give, quality is subjective, posts are not read by everyone and several other reasons

The fact that a post does not receive merits does not mean it is no worthy of merits, it can be affected by the board it is posted in or the page on the thread the reply is.

Yes we are still on the same point, what I meant is that not all post are being merited by everyone maybe you didn't get my sentence completely. And off course no post has been merited by everyone just as you have given reasons. Although some post are mostly visible on local board and I would suggest some people to put efforts on their local Board, and again it's also good to share general knowledge across the general board to also learn meaningful things.
Sometimes those who have smerits or are merits source are mostly moved to merits people with quality post and meaningful contents.

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Quote from: SmartGold01 on September 17, 2023, 03:54:17 PM

that's why today you find some post do not received merits by everyone rather only some few people can give it merits.

There's no post that has been merited by everyone on the forum and this is for various reasons for this, one being that not everyone has smerits to give, quality is subjective, posts are not read by everyone and several other reasons

The fact that a post does not receive merits does not mean it is no worthy of merits, it can be affected by the board it is posted in or the page on the thread the reply is.

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Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on September 17, 2023, 03:09:09 PM

Have been thinking about this Merit and quality post, like how it works, if the both of them work hand in hand or something.
Because to me, merit speaks more about someone's post to be a quality post and you guys would agree with me.
No need to say much but I'd like to know, without merit how can YOU rate a post as a quality post or how can you appreciate a quality post?

That is why the merits are being introduced to use it and rate a post, ideally we can say when a content is being published on facebook be it video or photos if it goes well you will see people giving it a like and star to give credit to the quality of what the publisher has done so far. Have you think without those function what will they used to rate a photo or a content on facebook, same it is to other social media such as x, reddit, tiktok and many more you knew of.

So the Bitcointalk forum introduced the meritocracy to determine how quality and useful or do I say meaningful a post is to the reader and to the entire forum. Let say any post with low effort may not have merits and merits comes how helpful its to you others, hence what you found meaningful might not be that quality enough for me to give credit or merits that's why today you find some post do not received merits by everyone rather only some few people can give it merits.

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Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on September 17, 2023, 03:09:09 PM

without merit how can YOU rate a post as a quality post or how can you appreciate a quality post?

Merit was introduced in 2018, it's been only five years. The forum is around 14 years old and we survived 9 years without any merit point. Haven't we had a lot of quality posters back then? We had. But at that time we had many spammers too who were easily increasing their activities and achieving rank.

When you will actively participate in discussions, you will be visible to others. When you give positive contribution, people will know you and appreciate your work. You don't need some points for appreciation or a post to make to say I appreciate it.

The reason for introducing merit was to filter spammers quickly from people who are at-least giving some efforts in their writing. I am not going to say it worked very well, there are farmers who are always trying to abuse merit to rank up. However with abusing merit you can not continue much far. There maybe some exceptions but the people who made to at-least Sr and above, a lot of them contributed well to achieve it. Without merit these members would still rank up because of their contributions.

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Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on September 17, 2023, 03:09:09 PM

without merit how can YOU rate a post as a quality post or how can you appreciate a quality post?

How can you rate a post without merit? You can simply reply to it with a message like "I appreciate your post" or "I disagree with your point". Or something along those lines... And then, explain your perspective.

I think it's a straightforward way to express your opinion in online communities.

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Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on September 17, 2023, 03:09:09 PM

No need to say much but I'd like to know, without merit how can YOU rate a post as a quality post or how can you appreciate a quality post?

This is why there is a merit system, though it's not perfect it's actually a way to appreciate a quality post. Other alternatives could be "Thank/Like" as we mostly see on social media. But in the absence of that, a merit system is being used in their place.

But if there is no merit system like you assumed, then there is no way you would appreciate it other than replying to their post to show your appreciation.

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Quote from: Sexylizzy2813 on September 17, 2023, 03:20:27 PM

That's when we have to make use of merit to rate a post.
But see it this way, without merit how can you rate a post?
because with merit distribution in this Forum that's how we rate quality post...
Without merit is there any other way of rating a post?

There are some quality posts that are not given merit, but if you see the user making such posts, he would have collected merits very well but just that not all his quality posts that can be given merit. If I see a good post, I will know because it would be useful, informative and educative. We learn day by day on this forum, from the post you learn from or that you see it is useful for other people, such posts supposed to be given merits.

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From your present rank you of All members should understand that merit is not a 100% criteria for knowing a quality post .other criteria also exist such as
Posting In the correct board
Post presentation
Information and links if necessary
Theses are the main attributes a quality posts should have. They are also the main attributes that differentiate a newbies post from a more established members post. However if a post carries these qualities it will likely get the right attention but if it does not you can check out these threads if you feel you have a post of good quality that didn't get proper attention
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60895527

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55173475

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Quote from: _act_ on September 17, 2023, 03:15:09 PM

Someone posts are directly proportional to merit received by the person, although there can be some partial reasons that can make some people with low effort to have more merits, but merit is the reflection of quality posts as long as this forum is.

That's when we have to make use of merit to rate a post.
But see it this way, without merit how can you rate a post?
because with merit distribution in this Forum that's how we rate quality post...
Without merit is there any other way of rating a post?

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Good posts on different discussion boards get recognized as valuable and educational, often by receiving merits because they help others. Another way to tell if a post is good, even if it doesn't have merits, is when people recommend it to others who have questions or need information on the same topic. If someone suggests another person's post, it means it's probably good. You can also identify a good post if it comes from a user who consistently creates helpful content and is well-known for being informative on the forum. When such a user shares a thread or reply, most people trust it immediately because they know it's important and helpful.

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The level of someone's posts quality are directly proportional to the merit received by the person, although there can be some partial reasons that can make some other people with low effort posts to have more merits, but merit is simply still the reflection of quality posts as long as it is this forum.

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Have been thinking about this Merit and quality post, like how it works, if the both of them work hand in hand or something.
Because to me, merit speaks more about someone's post to be a quality post and you guys would agree with me.
No need to say much but I'd like to know, without merit how can YOU rate a post as a quality post or how can you appreciate a quality post?

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